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I removed the "Date of Extinction" column, which seems useless in this context. These are all life peerages, and so they don't "go extinct" in the sense that hereditary peerages do. I suppose all of these people will eventually die - such is life - but even then, some 100 years from now, I can't see why this article would have that column.
I replaced it with "Notes" for two reasons. First, it's easier to just rename the unused column than to go through the table syntax to get rid of it. Second, I think a "Notes" column may be useful to the reader in terms of indicating very briefly what the person did before becoming a peer, or any similar interesting facts.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 05:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the others, life peerages do become extinct on the death of their one and only holder. As this is a list of peerages, not peers, "extinct" would seem to be the more appropriate term. I don't see a problem with an additional "Notes" column, though.
As for adding/removing columns, I guess this is tricky becasue of the "bizarre table structure" Jimbo talked about on BBC News. Nothing Emacs and a regexp search and replace couldn't handle, though. JRawle ( Talk) 11:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed some users have been going through and adding "in the County of" to the titles where it seems to be missing. However, this column should reflect the way the county or administrative area is described on the Letters Patent. Scottish council areas tend not to be described as "the County of" anything as they are not counties. Similarly, Lord Williams of Baglan is "of Neath Port Talbot in Glamorgan" as Glamorgan isn't a current, preserved county or a principal area. Sometimes there are inconsistencies in how a particular area is described. For example, some Letters Patent have said "East Yorkshire", some "East Riding of Yorkshire". It's important our page matches the Letters Patent. Please could I ask everyone to use the London Gazette or the Lords website to check a title if you think it may be wrong, before changing it? Thanks, JRawle ( Talk) 11:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Is this really a word? If so, is it encyclopedic? Kittybrewster â 18:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Has he been gazetted? [1]. Kittybrewster â 19:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I think it might be helpful if this list, and previous lists in the series, included a column showing the honours list on which the Peerage was announced. In other words, whether the Peerage was an honour for services to the nation, or one on a list of 'Working Peers', or from the House of Lords Appointments Commission, or a Ministerial peerage created by a Prime Minister wishing to appoint someone to Government from outside Parliament. There is no difficulty in finding reliable sources for this information, although it might take some time. Note that there are articles about some of the biennial honours lists which formerly included a few Peerages on them, eg 1985 New Year Honours. Sam Blacketer ( talk) 00:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Last June, Debonairchap added a column with the peers' political affiliations. I would like to propose a review of its existence for the following reason: this list is about the titles, not their political value. It is absolutely fair to mention a peer's political affiliation at members of the House of Lords because it lists the peers as political personalities. This list, on the other hand, looks at them from a more "genealogical" and College of Arms point of view, like list of barons in the peerages of Britain and Ireland, so I believe that the parties just do not belong here. They are not mentioned at all in the other lists of life peerages, after all.-- The Theosophist ( talk) 02:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I notice that David Cameron's section begins with the fifty-six peerages created through the 2010 Dissolution Honours. I presume that Theresa May's will likely include those that occur in the Prime Minister's Resignation Honours, 2016. Is this necessarily right? The first batch of baronies listed under Cameron were actually recommended by Brown, and May's first will actually have been recommended by Cameron (likewise back down the line in 1997, 1990, 1979 etc.) - are we not perhaps falsely attributing a large number of creations by listing them in this way?
Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 19:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
What about Davidson and the rest of the newest set of Life Peers? â Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DB:6726:6901:E158:6E53:46DA:804F ( talk) 20:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Just read that there is a long list coming I presume in the delayed Birthday Honours.
According to the Times 30 people including Sir Eddie Lister. 2003:DB:6702:9401:20AE:154F:4FE1:904C ( talk) 12:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Arlene Foster likely be announced soon. 84.167.81.194 ( talk) 18:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Has it happened before that a Life Peer died before he could take his seat? 82.100.251.67 ( talk) 09:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
There has been some debate over how long the current page can get, and when it would be best to split off the next volume. Is now a good time? Even if the party in government has remained the same, we have a near-simultaneous change of monarch and prime minister. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 20:39, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Some users are deleting again and again coming peers who were already added. 79.238.83.116 ( talk) 17:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
But I have read sources myself. So you can readd them â Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.167.91.50 ( talk) 20:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Here it is https://www.gov.uk/government/news/political-peerages-2022 â Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.167.91.50 ( talk) 16:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC) Still there are only a small part of them listed. 84.167.91.50 ( talk) 20:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I propose each territorial qualification should matches the Letters Patent. Mike Rohsopht ( talk) 02:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Some ip users have changed them to forms that only existed in older letters patent like "County Palatine of Durham" [2] and "County of Salop" [3], which are inconsistent with the actual letters patent [4] [5].-- Mike Rohsopht ( talk) 02:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
If Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh is neither in the main list nor mentioned in the introduction, on the grounds that his life peerage was not created under the Life Peerages Act 1958, then perhaps the title of the page "List of life peerages (2010âpresent)" should change to something narrower. 2A00:23C6:148A:9B01:691F:F623:CF1E:F7D3 ( talk) 23:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
After BBC reporting it I think we should add Porter, Moynihan, Elliot and Littlewood. HulkNorris ( talk) 19:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC) Why is it taking so long with the announce ent? â Preceding unsigned comment added by HulkNorris ( talk ⢠contribs) 17:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
I've read today that he will be enobled. HulkNorris ( talk) 07:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC) The article is already updated! HulkNorris ( talk) 18:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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I removed the "Date of Extinction" column, which seems useless in this context. These are all life peerages, and so they don't "go extinct" in the sense that hereditary peerages do. I suppose all of these people will eventually die - such is life - but even then, some 100 years from now, I can't see why this article would have that column.
I replaced it with "Notes" for two reasons. First, it's easier to just rename the unused column than to go through the table syntax to get rid of it. Second, I think a "Notes" column may be useful to the reader in terms of indicating very briefly what the person did before becoming a peer, or any similar interesting facts.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 05:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the others, life peerages do become extinct on the death of their one and only holder. As this is a list of peerages, not peers, "extinct" would seem to be the more appropriate term. I don't see a problem with an additional "Notes" column, though.
As for adding/removing columns, I guess this is tricky becasue of the "bizarre table structure" Jimbo talked about on BBC News. Nothing Emacs and a regexp search and replace couldn't handle, though. JRawle ( Talk) 11:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed some users have been going through and adding "in the County of" to the titles where it seems to be missing. However, this column should reflect the way the county or administrative area is described on the Letters Patent. Scottish council areas tend not to be described as "the County of" anything as they are not counties. Similarly, Lord Williams of Baglan is "of Neath Port Talbot in Glamorgan" as Glamorgan isn't a current, preserved county or a principal area. Sometimes there are inconsistencies in how a particular area is described. For example, some Letters Patent have said "East Yorkshire", some "East Riding of Yorkshire". It's important our page matches the Letters Patent. Please could I ask everyone to use the London Gazette or the Lords website to check a title if you think it may be wrong, before changing it? Thanks, JRawle ( Talk) 11:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Is this really a word? If so, is it encyclopedic? Kittybrewster â 18:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Has he been gazetted? [1]. Kittybrewster â 19:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I think it might be helpful if this list, and previous lists in the series, included a column showing the honours list on which the Peerage was announced. In other words, whether the Peerage was an honour for services to the nation, or one on a list of 'Working Peers', or from the House of Lords Appointments Commission, or a Ministerial peerage created by a Prime Minister wishing to appoint someone to Government from outside Parliament. There is no difficulty in finding reliable sources for this information, although it might take some time. Note that there are articles about some of the biennial honours lists which formerly included a few Peerages on them, eg 1985 New Year Honours. Sam Blacketer ( talk) 00:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Last June, Debonairchap added a column with the peers' political affiliations. I would like to propose a review of its existence for the following reason: this list is about the titles, not their political value. It is absolutely fair to mention a peer's political affiliation at members of the House of Lords because it lists the peers as political personalities. This list, on the other hand, looks at them from a more "genealogical" and College of Arms point of view, like list of barons in the peerages of Britain and Ireland, so I believe that the parties just do not belong here. They are not mentioned at all in the other lists of life peerages, after all.-- The Theosophist ( talk) 02:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I notice that David Cameron's section begins with the fifty-six peerages created through the 2010 Dissolution Honours. I presume that Theresa May's will likely include those that occur in the Prime Minister's Resignation Honours, 2016. Is this necessarily right? The first batch of baronies listed under Cameron were actually recommended by Brown, and May's first will actually have been recommended by Cameron (likewise back down the line in 1997, 1990, 1979 etc.) - are we not perhaps falsely attributing a large number of creations by listing them in this way?
Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 19:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
What about Davidson and the rest of the newest set of Life Peers? â Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DB:6726:6901:E158:6E53:46DA:804F ( talk) 20:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Just read that there is a long list coming I presume in the delayed Birthday Honours.
According to the Times 30 people including Sir Eddie Lister. 2003:DB:6702:9401:20AE:154F:4FE1:904C ( talk) 12:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Arlene Foster likely be announced soon. 84.167.81.194 ( talk) 18:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Has it happened before that a Life Peer died before he could take his seat? 82.100.251.67 ( talk) 09:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
There has been some debate over how long the current page can get, and when it would be best to split off the next volume. Is now a good time? Even if the party in government has remained the same, we have a near-simultaneous change of monarch and prime minister. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 20:39, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Some users are deleting again and again coming peers who were already added. 79.238.83.116 ( talk) 17:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
But I have read sources myself. So you can readd them â Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.167.91.50 ( talk) 20:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Here it is https://www.gov.uk/government/news/political-peerages-2022 â Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.167.91.50 ( talk) 16:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC) Still there are only a small part of them listed. 84.167.91.50 ( talk) 20:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I propose each territorial qualification should matches the Letters Patent. Mike Rohsopht ( talk) 02:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Some ip users have changed them to forms that only existed in older letters patent like "County Palatine of Durham" [2] and "County of Salop" [3], which are inconsistent with the actual letters patent [4] [5].-- Mike Rohsopht ( talk) 02:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
If Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh is neither in the main list nor mentioned in the introduction, on the grounds that his life peerage was not created under the Life Peerages Act 1958, then perhaps the title of the page "List of life peerages (2010âpresent)" should change to something narrower. 2A00:23C6:148A:9B01:691F:F623:CF1E:F7D3 ( talk) 23:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
After BBC reporting it I think we should add Porter, Moynihan, Elliot and Littlewood. HulkNorris ( talk) 19:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC) Why is it taking so long with the announce ent? â Preceding unsigned comment added by HulkNorris ( talk ⢠contribs) 17:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
I've read today that he will be enobled. HulkNorris ( talk) 07:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC) The article is already updated! HulkNorris ( talk) 18:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)