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I'm thinking of a list of national executives to go with this. Not sure what to include though - maybe something like
Country | Head of State | Head of Government | Cabinet | Foreign Secretary | Finance Secretary |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
United Kingdom | King | Prime Minister | Cabinet | Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs | Chancellor of the Exchequer |
United States | President | Cabinet | Secretary of State | Secretary of the Treasury |
The idea being it would link to the offices, not the people
Maybe we should link cabinets too. I don't think we want any more offices though. Of course, this will be even more crazy for libya/iran/north korea etc ;)
Morwen 23:22, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)
Hmm. I could see a Summary of Current Governmental Systems or some other similar title as being useful. I'd envision something more like the following, based on your suggestion, with details certainly only preliminary, but with more focus on systems and less on ministers, which strike me as pretty boring (just about every country has a foreign secretary or secretary of state or whatnot that is mostly analogous to that of every other country):
Country/Territory | Status | System | Head of State | Head of Government | Legislature |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
United Kingdom | sovereign | constitutional monarchy | British Monarch | Prime Minister of the UK | Parliament of the UK |
Greenland | self-governing dependency of Denmark | constitutional monarchy | Danish Monarch | Prime Minister of Greenland | Landsting |
I moved this page back as no explanation was given to move it in the first place. -- Jia ng 16:56, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
But still, many of those listed there were already listed here. What's wrong with legislature? -- Jia ng
Should non-sovereign states be included in this table?
I listed the Pitcairn Islands Council, but was told that dependencies are not listed here. I notice, however, that such dependencies as Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, and Puerto Rico are listed, whereas other dependencies like Gibraltar, Norfolk Island, and American Samoa are not.
I am of the opinion that we should have uniform rules.
On my talk page, Jiang suggested the use of italics to mark out the dependencies - I agree that that idea is a very good one. Two other ideas that I have thought of are (a) to list the dependencies in a separate table beneath the main one, or (b) to make a separate page for them, with a link to to from this page.
What do all of you think? David Cannon 03:37, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
sounds like a good plan... -- Jia ng 03:14, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Re: [1] - The current convention here on this page is not to restrict to sovereign states. Nevertheless user:Alanmak removed Hong Kong and Macao (both special administrative regions of the People's Republic of China, and former posessions of the UK and Portugal respectively). While not commenting who's right and who's wrong, what user:Alanmak employed was a different way of interpreting the word national. If there's a problem with this word, we may think about changing the page title as list of legislatures by country, in line with many other similar by-country lists on Wikipedia. — Insta ntnood 08:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Re [2] [3] [4] - The Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) is not the legislative or parliamentary organ (except for its very first session before 1954). Legislative power rests in the National People's Congress (NPC) and its Standing Committee (NPCSC). — Insta ntnood 21:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
National refers to a nation. Because of this, I think only the legislatures of sovereign states should be included. That would mean removing all of the dependencies. – Zntrip 22:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I have been thinking about some changes for this page and I would like to know what everyone thinks about them.
Country | Overall name of Legislature | ||
---|---|---|---|
Lower house | Upper house |
– Zntrip 23:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I do not mind, but do not really see the advantages. I do mind the flags, since it would mean a longer time to download the page. Electionworld = Wilfried ( talk 10:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Could we make the colors of the Overall name of Legislature and Upper/Lower Houses columns it will help read it -- Gimelthedog ( talk) 03:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Why isn’t the People's Assembly of Myanmar the national legislature? Why isn’t the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference a legislature of China? – Zntrip 22:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Re
[5] - Why do we need different sections for countries and sovereign states and countries that are not sovereign states? Italicising those that are not sovereign states is already adequate. I've no comment, however, regarding unrecognised by de facto independent states. —
Insta
ntnood
19:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC) (modified 17:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC))
THat will only lead to extra discussions. The easiest way is to follow the List of countries. Electionworld = Wilfried ( talk 09:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the Central American Parliament be included as a superanational legislature? – Zntrip 04:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 13:32, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Should we add the UN General Assembly under Supranational legislatures? -- Gimelthedog ( talk) 03:17, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
The UN General Assembly does not have authority to legislate - that is, to create international law. It has various budgetary and supervisory functions as well as authority to make recommendations (non-binding). However, the ICJ has ruled (though only in advisory opinions) that certain General Assembly actions may have some legal value as evidence of the existence of a consensus on existing customary rules. But remember that early parliaments - notably the English parliament - did not have legislative authority either. Whether or not it has legislative authority, the General Assembly could be called a parliament of sorts. See Kennedy's book, The Parliament of Man (whose title was inspired by Tennyson's futuristic poem by that title). Eleanor1944 ( talk) 03:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Could someone please do these tables sortable? It would be very cool to see which countries have the most bloated parliament (worst MP/per citizen ratio). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.223.174 ( talk) 15:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
US and UK say " majority rule" but surely these countries use FPTP? Or does that mean the "voting system as used to pass laws"? If that's the case, surely, all must be under "majority rule"? – H T D 16:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Why is there a column for "GDP per seat" and why does it reference other Wikipedia articles? Green Giant ( talk) 16:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi all, I've found that the table isn't properly sortable (it gets odd results) and through some trial and error have found that this is due to the inclusion of the "colspan=2" parameter combining "Overall name of legislator" and "Name of house", using openoffice I've replaced all instances with a carriage return, and in testing, it works perfectly. Would anyone object to me 'going live' with that change? Liamdavies ( talk) 14:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Equadorial Guinea, Somalia, Kenya, Cameroon are bicameral systems not unicameral systems as it is mentioned at this artical. Could some one change this error. I tried but I coudn't able to do it properly. Your sincerly -- Mannerheim ( talk) 09:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Surely the Council of the European Union is the upper house of the EU legislature, as legislation passed by the EU Parliament cannot become law until passed by both bodies?
Freedom1968 ( talk) 16:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I suggest some revision here: "The name Parliament is in some cases even used when in political science the legislature would be considered a congress." As a professor of political science, I don't believe it is the role of the discipline to determine the meaning of such terms, as opposed to determining empirically how they are used. I know that, for Americans in particular, this sounds odd, but there is no reason we cannot call the US Congress a "parliament." The assumption of whoever wrote this passage seems to be that a "parliament" can exist only in a "parliamentary system" and that one in a "presidential system" has to be called a "congress." In reality, parliaments long predate "parliamentary systems." In fact, the original relationship between kings and Parliament in England was more like that in the US presidential system (separation of powers). Eleanor1944 ( talk) 01:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Eleanor1944: Good point. On top of that, the whole paragraph is pretty superficial and off-topic for this article. I'm just going to remove it.— Neil P. Quinn ( talk) 23:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm considering adding a column to this table giving the proportion of female members of the legislature. Any objections or suggestions for format? I'm also not very clear on whether this is best done on this list, or the similar list at list of legislatures by number of members. Hyrdmoth ( talk) 12:06, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Where are you guys getting these numbers? I want to know because the parliament of Egypt is no longer unicameral. It now consists of the Senate and the House of Representatives. I'd like to update the list myself but I don't know where to find the how much of the Egyptian populace is "represented" per Senate seat. Charles Essie ( talk) 15:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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I'm thinking of a list of national executives to go with this. Not sure what to include though - maybe something like
Country | Head of State | Head of Government | Cabinet | Foreign Secretary | Finance Secretary |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
United Kingdom | King | Prime Minister | Cabinet | Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs | Chancellor of the Exchequer |
United States | President | Cabinet | Secretary of State | Secretary of the Treasury |
The idea being it would link to the offices, not the people
Maybe we should link cabinets too. I don't think we want any more offices though. Of course, this will be even more crazy for libya/iran/north korea etc ;)
Morwen 23:22, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)
Hmm. I could see a Summary of Current Governmental Systems or some other similar title as being useful. I'd envision something more like the following, based on your suggestion, with details certainly only preliminary, but with more focus on systems and less on ministers, which strike me as pretty boring (just about every country has a foreign secretary or secretary of state or whatnot that is mostly analogous to that of every other country):
Country/Territory | Status | System | Head of State | Head of Government | Legislature |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
United Kingdom | sovereign | constitutional monarchy | British Monarch | Prime Minister of the UK | Parliament of the UK |
Greenland | self-governing dependency of Denmark | constitutional monarchy | Danish Monarch | Prime Minister of Greenland | Landsting |
I moved this page back as no explanation was given to move it in the first place. -- Jia ng 16:56, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
But still, many of those listed there were already listed here. What's wrong with legislature? -- Jia ng
Should non-sovereign states be included in this table?
I listed the Pitcairn Islands Council, but was told that dependencies are not listed here. I notice, however, that such dependencies as Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, and Puerto Rico are listed, whereas other dependencies like Gibraltar, Norfolk Island, and American Samoa are not.
I am of the opinion that we should have uniform rules.
On my talk page, Jiang suggested the use of italics to mark out the dependencies - I agree that that idea is a very good one. Two other ideas that I have thought of are (a) to list the dependencies in a separate table beneath the main one, or (b) to make a separate page for them, with a link to to from this page.
What do all of you think? David Cannon 03:37, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
sounds like a good plan... -- Jia ng 03:14, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Re: [1] - The current convention here on this page is not to restrict to sovereign states. Nevertheless user:Alanmak removed Hong Kong and Macao (both special administrative regions of the People's Republic of China, and former posessions of the UK and Portugal respectively). While not commenting who's right and who's wrong, what user:Alanmak employed was a different way of interpreting the word national. If there's a problem with this word, we may think about changing the page title as list of legislatures by country, in line with many other similar by-country lists on Wikipedia. — Insta ntnood 08:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Re [2] [3] [4] - The Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) is not the legislative or parliamentary organ (except for its very first session before 1954). Legislative power rests in the National People's Congress (NPC) and its Standing Committee (NPCSC). — Insta ntnood 21:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
National refers to a nation. Because of this, I think only the legislatures of sovereign states should be included. That would mean removing all of the dependencies. – Zntrip 22:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I have been thinking about some changes for this page and I would like to know what everyone thinks about them.
Country | Overall name of Legislature | ||
---|---|---|---|
Lower house | Upper house |
– Zntrip 23:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I do not mind, but do not really see the advantages. I do mind the flags, since it would mean a longer time to download the page. Electionworld = Wilfried ( talk 10:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Could we make the colors of the Overall name of Legislature and Upper/Lower Houses columns it will help read it -- Gimelthedog ( talk) 03:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Why isn’t the People's Assembly of Myanmar the national legislature? Why isn’t the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference a legislature of China? – Zntrip 22:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Re
[5] - Why do we need different sections for countries and sovereign states and countries that are not sovereign states? Italicising those that are not sovereign states is already adequate. I've no comment, however, regarding unrecognised by de facto independent states. —
Insta
ntnood
19:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC) (modified 17:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC))
THat will only lead to extra discussions. The easiest way is to follow the List of countries. Electionworld = Wilfried ( talk 09:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Should the Central American Parliament be included as a superanational legislature? – Zntrip 04:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 13:32, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Should we add the UN General Assembly under Supranational legislatures? -- Gimelthedog ( talk) 03:17, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
The UN General Assembly does not have authority to legislate - that is, to create international law. It has various budgetary and supervisory functions as well as authority to make recommendations (non-binding). However, the ICJ has ruled (though only in advisory opinions) that certain General Assembly actions may have some legal value as evidence of the existence of a consensus on existing customary rules. But remember that early parliaments - notably the English parliament - did not have legislative authority either. Whether or not it has legislative authority, the General Assembly could be called a parliament of sorts. See Kennedy's book, The Parliament of Man (whose title was inspired by Tennyson's futuristic poem by that title). Eleanor1944 ( talk) 03:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Could someone please do these tables sortable? It would be very cool to see which countries have the most bloated parliament (worst MP/per citizen ratio). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.223.174 ( talk) 15:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
US and UK say " majority rule" but surely these countries use FPTP? Or does that mean the "voting system as used to pass laws"? If that's the case, surely, all must be under "majority rule"? – H T D 16:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Why is there a column for "GDP per seat" and why does it reference other Wikipedia articles? Green Giant ( talk) 16:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi all, I've found that the table isn't properly sortable (it gets odd results) and through some trial and error have found that this is due to the inclusion of the "colspan=2" parameter combining "Overall name of legislator" and "Name of house", using openoffice I've replaced all instances with a carriage return, and in testing, it works perfectly. Would anyone object to me 'going live' with that change? Liamdavies ( talk) 14:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Equadorial Guinea, Somalia, Kenya, Cameroon are bicameral systems not unicameral systems as it is mentioned at this artical. Could some one change this error. I tried but I coudn't able to do it properly. Your sincerly -- Mannerheim ( talk) 09:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Surely the Council of the European Union is the upper house of the EU legislature, as legislation passed by the EU Parliament cannot become law until passed by both bodies?
Freedom1968 ( talk) 16:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I suggest some revision here: "The name Parliament is in some cases even used when in political science the legislature would be considered a congress." As a professor of political science, I don't believe it is the role of the discipline to determine the meaning of such terms, as opposed to determining empirically how they are used. I know that, for Americans in particular, this sounds odd, but there is no reason we cannot call the US Congress a "parliament." The assumption of whoever wrote this passage seems to be that a "parliament" can exist only in a "parliamentary system" and that one in a "presidential system" has to be called a "congress." In reality, parliaments long predate "parliamentary systems." In fact, the original relationship between kings and Parliament in England was more like that in the US presidential system (separation of powers). Eleanor1944 ( talk) 01:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
@ Eleanor1944: Good point. On top of that, the whole paragraph is pretty superficial and off-topic for this article. I'm just going to remove it.— Neil P. Quinn ( talk) 23:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm considering adding a column to this table giving the proportion of female members of the legislature. Any objections or suggestions for format? I'm also not very clear on whether this is best done on this list, or the similar list at list of legislatures by number of members. Hyrdmoth ( talk) 12:06, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Where are you guys getting these numbers? I want to know because the parliament of Egypt is no longer unicameral. It now consists of the Senate and the House of Representatives. I'd like to update the list myself but I don't know where to find the how much of the Egyptian populace is "represented" per Senate seat. Charles Essie ( talk) 15:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)