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1. Do we really need to spell enrolment with two ls?
2. I can understand the merger of mega universities, but largest != mega, since mega was defined as > 100,000. Reference for mega university is Daniel, John S (1996) Mega-universities and Knowledge Media: Technology Strategies for Higher Education, Kogan Page, London 212 pp., but this doesn't stand as a reference for these numbers, since they are all updated based on web searching
3. What references would be appropriate when most of this is googled? Do you want a link to the referent web page? — Preceding
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http://www.u-air.ac.jp/eng/table/09_ove1.html is nearly there, but I don't think "non-degree" students count; however, other Universities haven't necessarily distinguished this...
i've tagged this page as disputed and npov. many of the "distance" or "open" university figures look quite bogus to me, and even if they're not, there's no way they can reasonably be compared to real universities -- it's likely that most of the "students" are people simply listed on the books who may occasionally take a class or two. as a simple example of the problems, consider Indira Gandhi National Open University. it has 1,433,490 students "on rolls" but only 429,542 students "registered". either figure seems problematic, since there are only 325 teachers; even with the lower figure, this works out to more than 1,000 students per teacher, an absurd figure. there are plenty of places in the US that might be similarly claimed on these lists, e.g. the Learning Annex, but which are hardly universities (regardless of whether they have the word "university" in their name). the figures for these places are quoted from their own literature, which is not necessarily a reliable source.
even more suspicious is this: [5] which indicates that the "mega-universities" in John Daniel's report refer specifically to distance "universities"! given that this guy himself was one of the leaders of the British Open University, i suspect that his report is largely propaganda.
note that 6 of the top 8 (all the non-us institutions) are distance institutions, and that numbers 9 and 10 have enrollments on this list that differ from (and are inflated relative to) the numbers on the wikipedia pages of these universities.
furthermore, it's hardly reasonable to consider SUNY and CSU to be one institution. these are clearly university systems. a much more reasonable is to consider the figures on List_of_largest_United_States_universities_by_enrollment. Benwing 03:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this page can be tagged with both npov and disputed. The article itself is, IMHO, npov, whether you think Daniel is NPOV or not, most of the numbers are directly from the institution's website (which addresses the 'disputed' claim).
Creating this section to help those who don't recognise open universities be aware of their equivalency with other institutions
This reference (Jung, Insung. "Quality Assurance Survey of Mega Universities". In Christopher McIntosh (ed.) (ed.).
Perspectives on Distance Education: Lifelong Learning & Distance Higher Education (PDF). UNESCO/COL.
ISBN
1-894975-21-9. Retrieved 2007-06-22. {{
cite book}}
: |editor=
has generic name (
help), found via
Anadolu University) includes useful information about mega universities, including:
on p79, Insung Jung indicates Anadolu's _active_ (cf. cumulative) enrolment is greater than 500K
on p81, statistics from a survey are provided (although it isn't clear if the survey made sufficient distinction about current vs. cumulative enrolment)
on p94, a list of some recognised mega universities is provided — Preceding
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I'm currently maintaining the minimum at mid-to-high 90,000s, since these are likely to become "mega" in the next few years -- thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natebailey ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I am going to remove US state-based institutions from this list unless they truly constitute a single university (ie. not state systems that include a bunch of differently named universities that are otherwise unrelated - except for the fact that the state governs them). This would leave SUNY (where all the university's have SUNY at the start of their name) and remove University System of Ohio, State University System of Florida and similar state systems constituting many completely separate universities. I will tighten the definition at the top of the main article to clarify this. Open for discussion until 11th April. Natebailey ( talk) 08:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Every six months or so, an enthusiast (can't tell if it's the same user or not) changes the enrolment of IGNOU up in order to make them number one. Their true enrolment may well be higher, but I haven't found any specific citations to support it. Both current citations are from IGNOU's own site (and quote 1.8 million). Natebailey ( talk) 09:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
It's listed twice with different data each time. Al-Azhar University in Egypt should probably be included too, and perhaps some other Egyptian universities. -- 41.152.18.53 ( talk) 09:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Most universities on the top are "virtual" or "open" universities which claim millions of students without any clear reference. I think it should be only included well-known established institutions. Universities without a clear and trustable reference should be also removed. Even a "television" university was in the list! Was that a joke?
How does State University of New York manage to appear in both 8th position and 12th position on the same list? Has someone simply added it a second time with a different enrollment number? 143.239.89.201 ( talk) 12:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
The Open University of China, recently renamed from Central China TV and Radio University at their 30th anniversary, has 2,7 million students [6]. There are 27 provincial subsidiaries, but these take orders and teaching materials directly from the central university, so I wonder if it should be included. Probably more centralized than say the U of California system. Houshuang ( talk) 04:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
as of right now this accredited institution has over 350,000 students but didnt make the list. i think on a separate list I've seen it is considered the largest single college in the U.S. not sure if that claim is true but I wouldnt doubt it's the largest in the states and possibly the world when it comes to a community college (offering associates degrees only) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.211.62.250 ( talk) 13:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The official name for 'The Open University' includes the article 'the' as stated at the respective site at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_University. This should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.143.112 ( talk) 07:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Many of the largest US public university systems are absent from this list. I added the State University of New York and a link to pertinent information from the university's web site. Anyone who knows where to find pertinent info on, for example, the University of California and California State University systems should add it at their convenience. Tcatts 02:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
They are labeled University of California, Berkeley and are issued by the individual campuses. I graduated from Berkeley and that is what it says on my diploma and transcript. They are considered completely separate universities issuing their own degrees. I am almost certain it is the same for the CSU system. -- 41.232.175.251 ( talk) 13:16, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
The definition of a university and the enrollment numbers are clearly being manipulated in order to allow a favorite a higher 'rank' on this list. The list is clearly designed to favor specific university systems as opposed to actual individual universities. Each university system in each state in the United States is controlled by some form of board of regents. I'm sure that all 50 belong on this list with the possible exceptions of the Dakotas and Hawaii. The list is also ignoring China not to mention clearly reflects the rift between Pakistanis and Indians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.154.194 ( talk) 01:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason that proprietary schools are not included on this list? According the entry for the University of Phoenix, it has 319,400 undergraduate students and 61,400 postgraduate students, which would put it at 17th on the list, with 380,800 students total. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.102.82.0 ( talk) 18:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Do we need the rank column?-- নাফী ম. সাধ nafSadh talk | contribs 16:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
With an enrollment of 110,436, that puts it at #52. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.51.166 ( talk) 04:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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Number two in the list reg. Pakistan lacks any citation and therefore the list may please be updated. User4edits ( talk) 16:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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1. Do we really need to spell enrolment with two ls?
2. I can understand the merger of mega universities, but largest != mega, since mega was defined as > 100,000. Reference for mega university is Daniel, John S (1996) Mega-universities and Knowledge Media: Technology Strategies for Higher Education, Kogan Page, London 212 pp., but this doesn't stand as a reference for these numbers, since they are all updated based on web searching
3. What references would be appropriate when most of this is googled? Do you want a link to the referent web page? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Natebailey (
talk •
contribs) 14:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
http://www.u-air.ac.jp/eng/table/09_ove1.html is nearly there, but I don't think "non-degree" students count; however, other Universities haven't necessarily distinguished this...
i've tagged this page as disputed and npov. many of the "distance" or "open" university figures look quite bogus to me, and even if they're not, there's no way they can reasonably be compared to real universities -- it's likely that most of the "students" are people simply listed on the books who may occasionally take a class or two. as a simple example of the problems, consider Indira Gandhi National Open University. it has 1,433,490 students "on rolls" but only 429,542 students "registered". either figure seems problematic, since there are only 325 teachers; even with the lower figure, this works out to more than 1,000 students per teacher, an absurd figure. there are plenty of places in the US that might be similarly claimed on these lists, e.g. the Learning Annex, but which are hardly universities (regardless of whether they have the word "university" in their name). the figures for these places are quoted from their own literature, which is not necessarily a reliable source.
even more suspicious is this: [5] which indicates that the "mega-universities" in John Daniel's report refer specifically to distance "universities"! given that this guy himself was one of the leaders of the British Open University, i suspect that his report is largely propaganda.
note that 6 of the top 8 (all the non-us institutions) are distance institutions, and that numbers 9 and 10 have enrollments on this list that differ from (and are inflated relative to) the numbers on the wikipedia pages of these universities.
furthermore, it's hardly reasonable to consider SUNY and CSU to be one institution. these are clearly university systems. a much more reasonable is to consider the figures on List_of_largest_United_States_universities_by_enrollment. Benwing 03:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this page can be tagged with both npov and disputed. The article itself is, IMHO, npov, whether you think Daniel is NPOV or not, most of the numbers are directly from the institution's website (which addresses the 'disputed' claim).
Creating this section to help those who don't recognise open universities be aware of their equivalency with other institutions
This reference (Jung, Insung. "Quality Assurance Survey of Mega Universities". In Christopher McIntosh (ed.) (ed.).
Perspectives on Distance Education: Lifelong Learning & Distance Higher Education (PDF). UNESCO/COL.
ISBN
1-894975-21-9. Retrieved 2007-06-22. {{
cite book}}
: |editor=
has generic name (
help), found via
Anadolu University) includes useful information about mega universities, including:
on p79, Insung Jung indicates Anadolu's _active_ (cf. cumulative) enrolment is greater than 500K
on p81, statistics from a survey are provided (although it isn't clear if the survey made sufficient distinction about current vs. cumulative enrolment)
on p94, a list of some recognised mega universities is provided — Preceding
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I'm currently maintaining the minimum at mid-to-high 90,000s, since these are likely to become "mega" in the next few years -- thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natebailey ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I am going to remove US state-based institutions from this list unless they truly constitute a single university (ie. not state systems that include a bunch of differently named universities that are otherwise unrelated - except for the fact that the state governs them). This would leave SUNY (where all the university's have SUNY at the start of their name) and remove University System of Ohio, State University System of Florida and similar state systems constituting many completely separate universities. I will tighten the definition at the top of the main article to clarify this. Open for discussion until 11th April. Natebailey ( talk) 08:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Every six months or so, an enthusiast (can't tell if it's the same user or not) changes the enrolment of IGNOU up in order to make them number one. Their true enrolment may well be higher, but I haven't found any specific citations to support it. Both current citations are from IGNOU's own site (and quote 1.8 million). Natebailey ( talk) 09:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
It's listed twice with different data each time. Al-Azhar University in Egypt should probably be included too, and perhaps some other Egyptian universities. -- 41.152.18.53 ( talk) 09:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Most universities on the top are "virtual" or "open" universities which claim millions of students without any clear reference. I think it should be only included well-known established institutions. Universities without a clear and trustable reference should be also removed. Even a "television" university was in the list! Was that a joke?
How does State University of New York manage to appear in both 8th position and 12th position on the same list? Has someone simply added it a second time with a different enrollment number? 143.239.89.201 ( talk) 12:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
The Open University of China, recently renamed from Central China TV and Radio University at their 30th anniversary, has 2,7 million students [6]. There are 27 provincial subsidiaries, but these take orders and teaching materials directly from the central university, so I wonder if it should be included. Probably more centralized than say the U of California system. Houshuang ( talk) 04:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
as of right now this accredited institution has over 350,000 students but didnt make the list. i think on a separate list I've seen it is considered the largest single college in the U.S. not sure if that claim is true but I wouldnt doubt it's the largest in the states and possibly the world when it comes to a community college (offering associates degrees only) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.211.62.250 ( talk) 13:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The official name for 'The Open University' includes the article 'the' as stated at the respective site at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_University. This should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.143.112 ( talk) 07:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Many of the largest US public university systems are absent from this list. I added the State University of New York and a link to pertinent information from the university's web site. Anyone who knows where to find pertinent info on, for example, the University of California and California State University systems should add it at their convenience. Tcatts 02:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
They are labeled University of California, Berkeley and are issued by the individual campuses. I graduated from Berkeley and that is what it says on my diploma and transcript. They are considered completely separate universities issuing their own degrees. I am almost certain it is the same for the CSU system. -- 41.232.175.251 ( talk) 13:16, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
The definition of a university and the enrollment numbers are clearly being manipulated in order to allow a favorite a higher 'rank' on this list. The list is clearly designed to favor specific university systems as opposed to actual individual universities. Each university system in each state in the United States is controlled by some form of board of regents. I'm sure that all 50 belong on this list with the possible exceptions of the Dakotas and Hawaii. The list is also ignoring China not to mention clearly reflects the rift between Pakistanis and Indians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.154.194 ( talk) 01:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason that proprietary schools are not included on this list? According the entry for the University of Phoenix, it has 319,400 undergraduate students and 61,400 postgraduate students, which would put it at 17th on the list, with 380,800 students total. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.102.82.0 ( talk) 18:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Do we need the rank column?-- নাফী ম. সাধ nafSadh talk | contribs 16:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
With an enrollment of 110,436, that puts it at #52. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.51.166 ( talk) 04:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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Number two in the list reg. Pakistan lacks any citation and therefore the list may please be updated. User4edits ( talk) 16:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)