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Why is it not on here? -- Maurice45 ( talk) 19:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC) I think the census data lumps it together with Hindi. In much the same way that Rajasthani or Khari-boli are considered dialects of Hindi, so too is Bhojpuri. It's a political thing to some extent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.88.143 ( talk) 06:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
...while English is mentioned in running text, it's not in the actual tables. Same with Persian. While I suppose this made sense when the title was "List of Indian languages by number of native speakers", the current title has no such disclaimer ("List of Indian languages by number of native speakers in India?!"), so they should be added. http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/Census_Data_Online/Language/Statement1.htm Seems to indicate 11,688 for Persian and 226,449 for English, so any objection to adding that directly in? SnowFire ( talk) 21:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe that this article should be merged with the list of South Asian languages for the simple reason there is such a vast list of languages in the sub-continent, and apart from the biggest one's, there is no crossover across countries. User:Georgiebest7 18:20, 5 December 2009
I have removed the merge suggestion in the article, for i see no willingness to merge in the talk page. Arjun 024 07:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I think note 1 links to a website that has been taken over by an advertising company, and thus there is no pdf anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.211.39 ( talk) 07:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
This is the source [1] and those are the official numbers. Please DO NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERs even if you cite a reliable source. The reason is because when time changes, number of speakers changes with it; if two language give two numbers at different times, you can't compare them. Therefore, all languages should be from the same time for better comparison. Tarikur 21:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
they haven't got round to publishing a lousy list of languages, six years after the census. Now that's pathetic :( I know, the Encarta numbers are flawed for languages spoken outside India as well. That's why we should sort by the 1991 census numbers. dab (𒁳) 09:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
These are the sources: [2] and [3]. The numbers that those sources gives us are official numbers of native speakers. PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS. Tarikur 06:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
What if the numbers are totally wrong and internally inconsistent, as they are today? -- Eliasen ( talk) 11:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
They are mutually intelligible, and thus are considered by linguists to be one language. For political reasons, they are often treated separately, but it's misleading to have them treated separately on a "list of languages by native speakers". jackbrown ( talk) 20:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Just removed this sentence "Another 27 to 43% of national population can understand or speak the language(Hindi)", how could this be true? so the member means to say that around 70 - 86% Indians understand Hindi?? Can some one accept that? Can someone please help put official figures?? i tried googling but in vain.
Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ? 04:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Though Tamil has a larger number of speakers "globally", Telugu speaking populace is the second largest linguistic group "within" India.
Wikipedia is not showing correct data as far as I analysed. Telugu is the second most spoken langauge in India . And also 5 disctricts of Karnataka speak telugu at their homes though they speak kannada outside as they became part of Karnataka where Kannada is official langauge. And also It has been observed that outskirts(most of the villages which are now part of Bangalore) of Bangalore speak telugu. But in Bangalore wikipedia , no where it has been mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.16.142.226 ( talk) 11:07, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted the revisions made on 24 March 2013 by 117.192.144.212 ( talk), which relied on the answers to questions put to Comparical. The answer pages from Comparical do not show the source of their information, and I could not find out who runs their site. Additionally, the changed figures were put in the column headed ' Encarta 2007 estimate', where they do not belong. Perhaps they could be put in a new column, but first we should find out who runs Comparical and where they got their information. Apuldram ( talk) 12:09, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
where can I get data of languages number of native speakers in states and districts?-- Kaiyr ( talk) 07:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Where is the head count for Bangal language? If Assamese can be considered as a separate language because of its dialect (Assamese alphabets are almost same of Bengali alphabets) then why can not Bangal. After 1947 people from Bangladesh (east Pakistan) has moved in different parts of West Bengal and their language is Bangal (though the alphabets are the same) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.115.30 ( talk) 20:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I never even THOUGHT India spoke so many languages! My homework just got a HOLE lot easier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtemisHunt ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Where I can get result of all other censuses languages by number of native speakers in India?-- Kaiyr ( talk) 12:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
-- Loup Solitaire 81 ( talk) 10:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 08:37, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
The numbers of native speakers are taken from the Official census tables. They way they're structured, the numbers for some of the bigger languages (like Hindi) subsume the numbers for smaller ones (like Rajasthani or Awadhi). The tables in the articles here give the big number and don't have entries for the "smaller" languages that are subsumed under them (even though some have millions of speakers). Should we change that? Uanfala ( talk) 13:46, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
This edit has replaced all occurrences of "mother tongue" with "first language". But, as pointed out at some point in the previous discussion on this talk page, it makes sense to keep the original terminology of the census, which this article is almost by definition entirely based on, and the census uses "mother tongue". Generally, I'm agnostic on the use of one or the other, but I think we should have a reason to alter the terminology of the source. The fact that tongue also happens to mean the anatomical organ isn't a reason. I imagine a possible direction might be to look in the different connotations of the two terms, but I'm not sensitive enough to this so I don't really know if "mother tongue" sounds in any way dismissive or devaluing. Any thoughts anyone? Uanfala ( talk) 20:26, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Is 23 a misprint? Should it be 22? -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 14:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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The total number of dravidian language native speakers based on the 2001 data given below (Kannada+Tamil+Telugu+Tulu+Gondi+Kurukh+Malayalam) =20.61 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.14.71 ( talk) 08:52, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
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After the mentions of how many Indians claimed to be bilingual and trilingual, the phrase "so that the total percentage of "native languages" is at about 127%." appears. What does that mean? I removed it since I really can't come up with any sensical meaning. Anyone disagree? Sitim.far ( talk) 18:37, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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Why is it not on here? -- Maurice45 ( talk) 19:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC) I think the census data lumps it together with Hindi. In much the same way that Rajasthani or Khari-boli are considered dialects of Hindi, so too is Bhojpuri. It's a political thing to some extent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.88.143 ( talk) 06:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
...while English is mentioned in running text, it's not in the actual tables. Same with Persian. While I suppose this made sense when the title was "List of Indian languages by number of native speakers", the current title has no such disclaimer ("List of Indian languages by number of native speakers in India?!"), so they should be added. http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/Census_Data_Online/Language/Statement1.htm Seems to indicate 11,688 for Persian and 226,449 for English, so any objection to adding that directly in? SnowFire ( talk) 21:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe that this article should be merged with the list of South Asian languages for the simple reason there is such a vast list of languages in the sub-continent, and apart from the biggest one's, there is no crossover across countries. User:Georgiebest7 18:20, 5 December 2009
I have removed the merge suggestion in the article, for i see no willingness to merge in the talk page. Arjun 024 07:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I think note 1 links to a website that has been taken over by an advertising company, and thus there is no pdf anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.211.39 ( talk) 07:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
This is the source [1] and those are the official numbers. Please DO NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERs even if you cite a reliable source. The reason is because when time changes, number of speakers changes with it; if two language give two numbers at different times, you can't compare them. Therefore, all languages should be from the same time for better comparison. Tarikur 21:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
they haven't got round to publishing a lousy list of languages, six years after the census. Now that's pathetic :( I know, the Encarta numbers are flawed for languages spoken outside India as well. That's why we should sort by the 1991 census numbers. dab (𒁳) 09:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
These are the sources: [2] and [3]. The numbers that those sources gives us are official numbers of native speakers. PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS. Tarikur 06:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
What if the numbers are totally wrong and internally inconsistent, as they are today? -- Eliasen ( talk) 11:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
They are mutually intelligible, and thus are considered by linguists to be one language. For political reasons, they are often treated separately, but it's misleading to have them treated separately on a "list of languages by native speakers". jackbrown ( talk) 20:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Just removed this sentence "Another 27 to 43% of national population can understand or speak the language(Hindi)", how could this be true? so the member means to say that around 70 - 86% Indians understand Hindi?? Can some one accept that? Can someone please help put official figures?? i tried googling but in vain.
Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ? 04:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Though Tamil has a larger number of speakers "globally", Telugu speaking populace is the second largest linguistic group "within" India.
Wikipedia is not showing correct data as far as I analysed. Telugu is the second most spoken langauge in India . And also 5 disctricts of Karnataka speak telugu at their homes though they speak kannada outside as they became part of Karnataka where Kannada is official langauge. And also It has been observed that outskirts(most of the villages which are now part of Bangalore) of Bangalore speak telugu. But in Bangalore wikipedia , no where it has been mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.16.142.226 ( talk) 11:07, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted the revisions made on 24 March 2013 by 117.192.144.212 ( talk), which relied on the answers to questions put to Comparical. The answer pages from Comparical do not show the source of their information, and I could not find out who runs their site. Additionally, the changed figures were put in the column headed ' Encarta 2007 estimate', where they do not belong. Perhaps they could be put in a new column, but first we should find out who runs Comparical and where they got their information. Apuldram ( talk) 12:09, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
where can I get data of languages number of native speakers in states and districts?-- Kaiyr ( talk) 07:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Where is the head count for Bangal language? If Assamese can be considered as a separate language because of its dialect (Assamese alphabets are almost same of Bengali alphabets) then why can not Bangal. After 1947 people from Bangladesh (east Pakistan) has moved in different parts of West Bengal and their language is Bangal (though the alphabets are the same) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.115.30 ( talk) 20:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I never even THOUGHT India spoke so many languages! My homework just got a HOLE lot easier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtemisHunt ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Where I can get result of all other censuses languages by number of native speakers in India?-- Kaiyr ( talk) 12:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
-- Loup Solitaire 81 ( talk) 10:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 08:37, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
The numbers of native speakers are taken from the Official census tables. They way they're structured, the numbers for some of the bigger languages (like Hindi) subsume the numbers for smaller ones (like Rajasthani or Awadhi). The tables in the articles here give the big number and don't have entries for the "smaller" languages that are subsumed under them (even though some have millions of speakers). Should we change that? Uanfala ( talk) 13:46, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
This edit has replaced all occurrences of "mother tongue" with "first language". But, as pointed out at some point in the previous discussion on this talk page, it makes sense to keep the original terminology of the census, which this article is almost by definition entirely based on, and the census uses "mother tongue". Generally, I'm agnostic on the use of one or the other, but I think we should have a reason to alter the terminology of the source. The fact that tongue also happens to mean the anatomical organ isn't a reason. I imagine a possible direction might be to look in the different connotations of the two terms, but I'm not sensitive enough to this so I don't really know if "mother tongue" sounds in any way dismissive or devaluing. Any thoughts anyone? Uanfala ( talk) 20:26, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Is 23 a misprint? Should it be 22? -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 14:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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The total number of dravidian language native speakers based on the 2001 data given below (Kannada+Tamil+Telugu+Tulu+Gondi+Kurukh+Malayalam) =20.61 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.14.71 ( talk) 08:52, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
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After the mentions of how many Indians claimed to be bilingual and trilingual, the phrase "so that the total percentage of "native languages" is at about 127%." appears. What does that mean? I removed it since I really can't come up with any sensical meaning. Anyone disagree? Sitim.far ( talk) 18:37, 2 February 2018 (UTC)