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Why is Thai ranked at 46? The numbers here show that it should be at about 26. I must assume I'm failing to notice something about the data or how it's organized, for there to be such a seemingly obvious contradiction in this list. I mean, come on. [ɹɔɪ̯ˈoʊ̯ɾiː] 01:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Why does it state that Cornish has 3000 native speakers? It blatantly has not got that many native speakers. Its wikipedia page says 3000 people are able to understand simple conversations; that is not speaking a language natively from birth; that is 3000 people learning a few phrases from phrase books. I would suggest native speakers number less than 300 rather than 3000. Even if 3000 COULD speak it fluently, note that the page is asking for numbers on native speakers, not fluent speakers who have learnt it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpc1989 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
According to this link Hindi is spoken by 422 million people (according to government census). How can it be just 200 million which means just 20% of India's population. Ashok4himself ( talk) 20:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Under Serbo-Croation it says Croatian is spoken by 6,200,00 people - shouldn't there be an extra zero at the end? 114.78.185.1 ( talk) 02:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
-- 89.201.244.109 ( talk) 12:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Whether it is "official" means nothing to linguists. Linguistically, one shouldn't even talk about Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian languages, but to Shtokavian/Kajkavian/Chakavian languages, and to ekavian/ikavian/ijekavian dialects within shtokavian. Shtokavian BCSM is spoken in all four countries. "Serbs" and "Bosniaks" in central Bosnia speak absolutely identically (ijekavian), and only slightly differently from people in Belgrade (ekavian) or Dubrovnik (ikavian). The language of Zagreb (Kajkavian) is quite different, but Shtokavian South Slavic is one language, regardless of political borders, ethnic ideologies or different alphabets. You can refuse to call it Serbo-croatian if you want. That doesn't make you a linguist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.24.80 ( talk) 17:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
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Brazil has a population of 190 million people. Almost 99 percent of Brazilians are native speakers of Portuguese.
Portugal has a population of 11 million people.
Angola has a population of 18 million people.
How is it possible that Portuguese can have only 178 million native speakers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siaraman ( talk • contribs) 14:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
this being said: the data from Encarta should be removed from the article, it is unreliable and non-informative. Even data from ethnologue is not reliable, but it has historical relevance, although it also has statistical errors even using outdated information. As for Encarta, it is 100% garbage. - Pedro ( talk) 11:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't Chinese Sign Language be somewhere in this list? According to the article, there are over twenty million signers, so I would think it would be fairly high up. -- Yair rand ( talk) 04:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
kurdish lang. = min. 35.000.000 ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.185.66 ( talk) 12:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
The numbers for French do not correspond at all (!) with the numbers given in the main article on the "French language". German numbers are also largely inferior to what is stated in the article on the German language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.249.206.121 ( talk) 21:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The sections under 1M were hopelessly incomplete, so I just deleted them. I left a section on <10, but that should probably go as well, as it will be in constant flux and is already covered by the lists of endangered languages. — kwami ( talk) 14:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
From the lede: "...some mutually intelligible idioms with separate national standards or self-identification have been listed separately, including... Hindi-Urdu..." That sentence needs to be consistent with the list itself. If we are going to list Hindi-Urdu and Serbo-Croatian as single entities (which we currently do), then clearly we should not claim in the lede that we are listing their component languages separately. Please remember this when altering the main list, so that the article does not provide a false description of itself. Lfh ( talk) 10:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Kwami violated procedures, and more importantly, he abused his admin privileges by protecting the article in which he contributed himself. He also took part in the 'conflict' (by reverting others).-- Sokac121 ( talk) 13:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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Catalan doesn't appear in the list of languages by number. It is a Indo-European, romanic language. The number of speakers is more than 9,000,000 people. It must be in the list of 5 to 10 milion native speakers. There is an entrance in wikipedia related with catalan language: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language
Thank you very much
84.78.250.13 ( talk) 17:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone added Serbo-Croatian. Let's look the facts. How many citizens in ex-Yugoslavia states declares to speak Serbo-Croatian, only a very small minority.
Facts are next:
Source for number of speakers of Serbo-Croatian language ( source) is sum of number of citizens of Republic of Croatia, Republic of Serbia and Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as quoted "Population total all countries: 16,351,052." This leads us to conclusion it is not number of speakers, but number of citizens of those three states.
I think main argument for adding Serbo-Croatian is kind of "karadžiđistic" if I may call it so... Karadžić stated, I can't qoute him correctly: "I met two Macedonian shepherds and they told me that their language is similiar to Serbian, so this means Macedonians are also Serbs."
Don't play with Karadžić toys.
Regards, -- Wustenfuchs ( talk) 01:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
The Serbo-Croatian language in Croatia is spoken by 4,961 people, and Croato-Serbian 2,054 people Republic of Croatia - Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS).-- Sokac121 ( talk) 11:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Majority of people are dumb, but you are smart? Ok, :) But, when did Serbo-Croatian entered the service? In 1945, when was kicked out of service in 1990. This language has it's history only for 45 years. Second thing, how many people stated they speak Serbo-Croatian? And know what Herr Štambuk, don't do WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH. It's what you think, not what majority of dumb people think and says. Look all over the literature and internet, every seriouse scientist will write how many people speaks Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and now Montenegrin, what they wrote 30-40 years ago it's political literature, and no good to Wikipedia. And, I can think that your oppinion is this is "nationalistic", but, nationalist isn't bad word any more, it stoped to be 20 years ago. And it's not nationalistic, those are the facts my friend.-- Wustenfuchs ( talk) 13:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Look Herr Štambuk, we don't care about short history of Serbo-Croatian "language", I won't even try to reply about those short historical story of yours. Facts - Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are official languages in Croatia (Croatian), Serbia (Serbian), Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnian, Croatian, Serbian). Great majority of population of those states declared them selfs to speak Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian, in later time Montenegrin. About your "brotherhood and unity" feelings, facts don't give a damn. Maybe it would be more beutifoul if we were all bros and sis, but who would I marry then? :D I my self, know diferenties between Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian, no need you to explain me that. But you look only on grammer diferency, look at historical one also. And look at today situation. You can't just add Serbo-Croatian language to a list with argument "We all speak same, we are all brothers and sisters", Jesus can say that, but not you, it's not good argument. And what World think I don't care, I care about facts. For you Štambuk, it's not about what World thinks, it's about facts.
And it's not "mljeko", but "mlijeko", you don't know Croatian, why would you care anyway.
Regards-- Wusten fuchs 18:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
You probably don't read what I write... I didn't say SC was invented by Commies, I never said you are a Commie. Second thing, stick to the point. Serbo-Croatian language is speaked almost by nobody, Croatian language has far longer history then this invented SC language. Serbian language is also older then this SC, Bosnian not, but it was a product of this same SC, that is a fact. Look, I know you know things, like Marulić and other old writers, they wrote in " Arvacki or as they liked to write Croatian or Illirian in later time. The word Serbo-Croatian is very very young word, compared to Croatian. SC is family of languages, not language by it self. And I must notice this your sentence "I assure you that I'm not Communist in my politically affiliations", I can only reply with an example, when kids done something bad, thay betray them selfs with sentence "It wasn't me" :D.
Regards.-- Wusten fuchs 16:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There are more than 70 million Turkish citizens in Reublic of Turkey. Even if you separate all Turkish languages, the number of Turkish speakers in this list should be 71 million as seen in this link http://www.milliyet.com.tr/Ekonomi/SonDakika.aspx?aType=SonDakika&ArticleID=1051677 (the link is in Turkish) -- DenizCc ( talk) 19:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, should Azeri and Turkish be combined under a single name. In the discussions above it is seen that Tajik is counted as a form of Persian because they can intercommunicate. The same applies to Turkish and Azeri. -- DenizCc ( talk) 19:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Furthermore, since languages like Turkic, Oghuz, Altaic are regarded as a family of Turkish language, the total number has to be around 220 million.Turkish is the fifth most spoken language of the world.( ref. ekrem akçay trabzon). Turkish spoken in Albania, Azerbaijan,Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Greece,Northern Cyprus, Kosovo, Republic of Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Syria,Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and by immigrant communities in Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, and the United States.
I agree; in this list language of Arabic countries did not count as separete languages, same goes for english, spanish, russian etc. But when it comes to Turkic language, every country's dialect counts as a separete language. This neither neutral nor correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.235.91.137 ( talk) 08:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me how is possible that this list says that less than 180.000.000 people speak portuguese in the world if only in Brazil there is more than 190.000.000 people? Now Portuguese is first language in alot of countries including, Brazil, Portugal, Angola, Cape Verde, Macau, Mozambique, etc etc etc so how can you say there is less than 180.000.000 people speaking portuguese? ... This list is so wrong Tacv ( talk) 02:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
So lets see. This list says portuguese is native language of 150-170 million people. So lets count the higher estimate number 170 million. Lets look at Portugal and Brazil. 11 million (Portugal) + X (Brazil) = 170 million ... This mean the population of native speaker in Brazil had to be 160 million to reach the estimate number of 170 million. This means a cut of 40 million people in the Brazilian population which is ridiculous (brazilian population is 190 million and portuguese is the ONLY official language in Brazil). And this is only counting with 2 countries that speak portuguese. There are 9 countries that have portuguese as their native and official language. I don't want to start a discussion or anything, but i really think the numbers in this list are very odd. As i said i only wanted to raise awareness to the issue. Big hug Tacv ( talk) 22:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article about Brazil: "The official language of Brazil is Portuguese, which is spoken by almost all of the population and is virtually the only language used in newspapers, radio, television, and for business and administrative purposes". The same article states that the brazilian population Is over 192 million. Even if 1% of brazilians didn't speak portuguese (and that's a high estimation), that would mean 190 milion of portuguese speakers ONLY in Brazil...Counting 10 million from Portugal, that would mean 200 million people. And I'm not even counting portuguese speakers from Africa and Asia. So, the number in this article is VERY low. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.189.93.115 ( talk) 19:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry Munci, I am Brazilian and I can assure you that Portuguese is the NATIVE language of, at least, 99% of the population. In fact, I never met or heard about a Brazilian that doesn´t have portuguese as his (hers) first language. There are some tribles in the Amazon forest that don´t speak portuguese as their first language, but they barely outnumber 100.000. That would be less than 0.01% of the Brazilian population. This article is a joke. I am sure that the same happens to many other languages here. DANIELMALANSKI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.140.51.250 ( talk) 19:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
It's clear that the numbers published on Portuguese speakers are wrong by a huge margin. A little research can confirm that. Anyone who knows anything about Brazil can confirm that more than 99% of the population is a native speaker. I can much more easily find a local publication in a minority language in any major city in the US than in the whole country of Brazil. While immigration in the early 20th century led to communities that preserved their language for a couple of generations (German, Italian, Japanese)that effect has disappeared with greatly reduced immigration in the last 50 years. Clearly there is great prejudice behind the lack of accuracy in the numbers published, and the main cause of prejudice is ignorance. Ignorance reflected on the data published in an Encyclopedia is quite a paradox... I have traveled in Brazil, and lived in multiple Portuguese speaking countries (Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, Macao) and I can come up with a quick approximation that is much more reliable than the published numbers. Native/2nd language speakers in Brazil: 191/192.5 million; Portugal: 11/11.5 million; Angola: .8/8 million; Mozambique: 1.1/10 million; Sao Tome, Gunie-Bissau, Cape Verde: 1.1/2.5 million; East Timor.4/1.0 million. Ignoring small populations of native Portuguese, and Portuguese dialect speakers (Luxembourg, Andorra, Spain, France, Germany, South Africa, Goa, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea, Macao, Dutch Antilles, Australia, USA) this adds up to 205 Million native speakers and over 220 million including those who speak Portuguese as second language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crosscontinental ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Saraiki is the largest language of pakistan. according of HEC Islamabad Pakistan , There are more than 120 million saraiki .Kindly saraiki may be included. Parvez Qadir Khan Saraiki is 9th largest language but ignored.this language be included in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.10.107 ( talk) 01:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
see [Saraiki language] and global recordings —Preceding
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saraiki is included in punjabi. saraiki is the major language so it be renamed as saraiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.14.238 ( talk) 00:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
According to its aticle, Saraiki has 13.9 million speakers in Pakistan. The largest language in Pakistan by native speakers is Punjabi. AlexanderKaras ( talk) 00:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
German only has that many native speakers if using the broader definition (including mutually unintelligible dialects). Most people in Bavaria, Austria, Swabia and German Switzerland speak Austro-Bavarian and Alemannic "dialects", for example. Because of this, I've removed the references to "Standard German" from the German section. saɪm duʃan Talk| Contribs 08:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, as per your request, I am taking it up on the talk page (here). You mentioned the source is wrong. Why? (Why is it better than George Weber's?) Also, the "List of languages by total speakers" article uses the numbers I added. That's what I was referring to in my edit comment. I skimmed through the Talk page before making my edit, and I did not find a discussion regarding the sources for the totals. Please explain your rationale for using these numbers. Regards, -- Therexbanner ( talk) 21:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Los hablantes nativos son más de 240 millones. 190.51.133.52 ( talk) 22:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
I know it's been discussed for multiple languages above but the numbers here and in List of languages by total number of speakers differ radically. There are more native speakers than total speakers for at least one language (Hindi/Urdu). Ethnologue is cited as the primary source for both, but Hindi/Urdu cites another, probably less reliable source (BBC language lessons).
Without some standard to reconcile widely differing sources, these articles make no sense. I don't have inclination to sort this out but IMO both articles are dubious as-is. Feel free to either provide better footnotes on what's what or fix the numbers, then delete the dubious template i added. - PhilipR ( talk) 13:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Even in the clearest case, however, that of "native-speakers", in this case of English, one would expect the figures to match the population figures of "English-speaking" countries which these do not. And, if you include also those for whom English has become their primary mode of communication--a not unreasonable extension (as long as the definitions are clearly made)--then the numbers are even more undercounted. Indeed, if you totaled all of the languages, does the total equal the world population (or at least the world population minus those young enough not to yet be speaking--or even yet listening comprehendingly to--any language!). Brief acknowledgement of these matters, and some consistency and precision here, would go a long way to making this much needed page a great deal more useful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.170.177.38 ( talk) 17:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I didn't know what to do, so I say it here... Galanom ( talk) 19:31, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
One of the two articles is blatantly wrong and should be corrected. 193.190.253.146 ( talk) 16:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
This estimate is pretty accurate as of 2011:
136,456,100 Native French speakers
+ 59,052,000 Partial French speakers,
for a total of 195,508,100 French speakers in the world.
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List_of_countries_where_French_is_an_official_language — Preceding
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Its seems that the native speaker figures for Igbo and Yoruba are too low. For both of these 'peoples' they have a total of 25-30 million of total speakers. Barely any people speak these languages other than the natives, so I believe the proper number should be around 25-28 million. Just a suggestion. Also many other languages have been underestimated. I am a native speaker of Igbo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.16.236 ( talk) 01:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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Please edit this page to reflect the numbers of French speakers listed on
136,456,100 Native French speakers + 59,052,000 Partial French speakers for a total of 195,508,100 French speakers in the world.
Sources: http://20mars.francophonie.org/IMG/pdf/FICHE_03_Nombre_de_francophones.pdf and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_French_is_an_official_language
I think these are more accurate than the numbers currently referenced.
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Hello, I was looking at this page and the French Speakers part is just out right wrong. It states that there are about 68million native Speakers and 120million total. The population of France alone is greater than 68 Million. French is spoken all over the world and the total number of speakers is about 346,812,250. The number of native speakers is about 110 Million. French is the most second most studied language in the world and is definetly spoken much more than it is being shown as. It would help many people who use Wikipedia to know the truth so please change the number of native and total French Speakers on this page to the correct number. I have looked this up on many websites and this is the number that is most common and I have in my general knowledge
67.177.189.176 ( talk) 17:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
First of all, I agree with the above about the French language. Second of all, according to your own Wikipedia and other sources, the number of native speakers of Persian is around 80 million, while the total number of people who speak Persian is around 140 million. Here you only put 30 million people or so, which is less than half of the population of Iran, not to even mention Afghanistan and Tajikistan, where 90% of people speak Persian, as well as other regions. I don't have additional sources, but you already have everything in other pages of Wikipedia.--Kasparov49acer 19:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss ( talk • contribs)
I noticed that the tables do not sort properly, it appears they sort alphabetically rather than numerically. Try sorting the Total column and you will see that it sorts 1025 million, 123 million, 192 million, etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgmarcum ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
For those of you who want to improve the article, the section "Additional languages to consider" has yet to be integrated into the main tables. — kwami ( talk) 09:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Why was it removed? Dylpickleh8 ( talk) 19:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Chattisgarhi, Rajasthani, Marwari, Awadhi and those are still considered as dialects of Hindi. Urdu is a separate language, but it is clubbed as Hindi-Urdu. Can someone cite the sources for the classification mentioned in the article - Why are Hindi and Urdu clubbed, why are dialects of Hindi shown as separate languages, especially when they are not used anywhere outside India and inside India, no one officially or unofficially treats them as separate languages? Same applies to Chittagongian(Bengali) as well. Especially, this doesn't make sense when all the Arabic dialects, even they are not mutually intelligible, are treated as a same language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.99.164 ( talk) 23:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
How could the number of Persian-speakers worldwide be 39 million when CIA fact-book has the number of native Persian speakers in Iran alone at 61% of Iran's 75 million population? And there are at least another 30 million native Persian-speakers in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan? The article uses Ethnologue's outdated/inaccurately-categorized numbers for Persian, yet for 34 million Azerbaijani language speakers (which is an exaggerated number), the main source used is some random webpage called www.azstat.org, which does not meet the requirements of WP:RS. I'm adding a disputed tag, until these obvious inaccuracies are corrected. Kurdo777 ( talk) 23:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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number of native speakers for Hindi should be 600 million. Number of native speakers of Bengali should be 300 million.
Nishant ram2007 ( talk) 17:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
English is spoken by over 1,340 million tongues worldwide. It is the language of science and entertainment. Please include it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.14.165 ( talk) 12:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
The number of native English speakers in this article is absurdly low, given the collective populations of the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada. The definition of "native speaker" must also be unrealistically narrow and, thus, result in a very low number for, say, India. To define fluent English as nonetheless non-native may be interesting academically, but it is impractical for multilingual societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.112.1.251 ( talk) 20:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Exuse me but "The number of native English speakers in this article is absurdly low" is false this number is very hight beaucause : USA 300 + england 60 + Kanada 20 + australia 20 + 10% population of india =401 milion
For kwon the true masterie of english : http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenfrancais/orban.htm
and find in other documents in language french :
Selon le service de la recherche pédagogique de Hanovre, il existe un décalage important dans l'apprentissage de l'anglais comme seconde langue entre le niveau qu'estiment posséder les utilisateurs et leur véritable maîtrise. Ainsi, il a été demandé à des élèves qui pratiquaient depuis 8 à 10 ans d'estimer leur niveau de compétence : 34 % ont répondu « très bien », 38 % ont répondu « bien » ; en revanche, à la suite d'un test d'évaluation on s'est rendu compte que seulement 1 % des étudiants maîtrisaient très bien l'anglais, et seulement 4 % le maîtrisaient bien
Dans le cadre d’une étude réalisée en 2000 et publiée dans le numéro 26-27, 2002, de Läkartidningen, revue spécialisée destinée aux médecins suédois, 111 médecins généralistes danois, suédois et norvégiens ont lu le même article synoptique pendant 10 minutes. La moitié l’a lu dans sa langue maternelle, l’autre moitié en anglais. Des questions étaient posées tout de suite après la lecture. En général, tous les médecins danois, norvégiens et suédois sont relativement à l’aise avec la langue anglaise grâce à l’enseignement reçu à l’école et grâce également à la télévision, au cinéma et aux chansons. De plus, leur langue est apparentée à l’anglais. Ils lisent également des ouvrages d’études en anglais, sont abonnés à des revues médicales en anglais. Dans le cadre de cette étude, les médecins avaient indiqué qu’ils comprenaient tous l’anglais. 42 % d’entre eux avaient même signalé qu’ils lisaient chaque semaine des communiqués en anglais. Cette étude a révélé que les médecins qui avaient lu le texte en anglais avaient perdu 25 % des informations par rapport au même texte lu dans leur langue maternelle
A gross error resulting in a low number of Enlish native speakers is using 2000 US census data that does not count childen under five. But that data for Spanish countries seems to count little kids. Either count little kids as English speakers or deduct kids under five in Spanish speaking countries.
Anouther grosss error is assumeing that all Hispanics in the US speak Spanish. Not true. Even the census data cited showed that only about half of Hispanics speak Spanish very well but count 35 million as native speakers.
In summary 215 million US native speakers (out of 207 million Americans) is low since my two year old nice can speak English. OK, the US census would not include her but use similar criteria for Spanish speakers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.171.181.95 ( talk) 15:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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The idea that the Portuguese language has only 193 million speakers is absurd.
Brazil alone has 190 million people according to the 2010 Census. Virtually all of the population of Brazil speaks Portuguese.
Portugal alone has 10 million people. Virtually all of the population of Portugal speaks Portuguese.
Angola has a population of 18 million people. A large portion of the population of Angola speaks Portuguese as first language.
Mozambique has a population of 22 million people. A large portion of the population of Mozambique speaks Portuguese as first language.
Add to that number the other smaller Portuguese speaking countries, plus the Brazilian, Portuguese, Angolan and Mozambican diasporas around the world, and anyone can see that the Portuguese language is spoken by way more than 200 million people. Siaraman ( talk) 12:27, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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Why is Thai ranked at 46? The numbers here show that it should be at about 26. I must assume I'm failing to notice something about the data or how it's organized, for there to be such a seemingly obvious contradiction in this list. I mean, come on. [ɹɔɪ̯ˈoʊ̯ɾiː] 01:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Why does it state that Cornish has 3000 native speakers? It blatantly has not got that many native speakers. Its wikipedia page says 3000 people are able to understand simple conversations; that is not speaking a language natively from birth; that is 3000 people learning a few phrases from phrase books. I would suggest native speakers number less than 300 rather than 3000. Even if 3000 COULD speak it fluently, note that the page is asking for numbers on native speakers, not fluent speakers who have learnt it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpc1989 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
According to this link Hindi is spoken by 422 million people (according to government census). How can it be just 200 million which means just 20% of India's population. Ashok4himself ( talk) 20:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Under Serbo-Croation it says Croatian is spoken by 6,200,00 people - shouldn't there be an extra zero at the end? 114.78.185.1 ( talk) 02:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
-- 89.201.244.109 ( talk) 12:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Whether it is "official" means nothing to linguists. Linguistically, one shouldn't even talk about Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian languages, but to Shtokavian/Kajkavian/Chakavian languages, and to ekavian/ikavian/ijekavian dialects within shtokavian. Shtokavian BCSM is spoken in all four countries. "Serbs" and "Bosniaks" in central Bosnia speak absolutely identically (ijekavian), and only slightly differently from people in Belgrade (ekavian) or Dubrovnik (ikavian). The language of Zagreb (Kajkavian) is quite different, but Shtokavian South Slavic is one language, regardless of political borders, ethnic ideologies or different alphabets. You can refuse to call it Serbo-croatian if you want. That doesn't make you a linguist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.24.80 ( talk) 17:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
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Brazil has a population of 190 million people. Almost 99 percent of Brazilians are native speakers of Portuguese.
Portugal has a population of 11 million people.
Angola has a population of 18 million people.
How is it possible that Portuguese can have only 178 million native speakers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siaraman ( talk • contribs) 14:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
this being said: the data from Encarta should be removed from the article, it is unreliable and non-informative. Even data from ethnologue is not reliable, but it has historical relevance, although it also has statistical errors even using outdated information. As for Encarta, it is 100% garbage. - Pedro ( talk) 11:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't Chinese Sign Language be somewhere in this list? According to the article, there are over twenty million signers, so I would think it would be fairly high up. -- Yair rand ( talk) 04:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
kurdish lang. = min. 35.000.000 ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.185.66 ( talk) 12:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
The numbers for French do not correspond at all (!) with the numbers given in the main article on the "French language". German numbers are also largely inferior to what is stated in the article on the German language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.249.206.121 ( talk) 21:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The sections under 1M were hopelessly incomplete, so I just deleted them. I left a section on <10, but that should probably go as well, as it will be in constant flux and is already covered by the lists of endangered languages. — kwami ( talk) 14:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
From the lede: "...some mutually intelligible idioms with separate national standards or self-identification have been listed separately, including... Hindi-Urdu..." That sentence needs to be consistent with the list itself. If we are going to list Hindi-Urdu and Serbo-Croatian as single entities (which we currently do), then clearly we should not claim in the lede that we are listing their component languages separately. Please remember this when altering the main list, so that the article does not provide a false description of itself. Lfh ( talk) 10:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Kwami violated procedures, and more importantly, he abused his admin privileges by protecting the article in which he contributed himself. He also took part in the 'conflict' (by reverting others).-- Sokac121 ( talk) 13:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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Catalan doesn't appear in the list of languages by number. It is a Indo-European, romanic language. The number of speakers is more than 9,000,000 people. It must be in the list of 5 to 10 milion native speakers. There is an entrance in wikipedia related with catalan language: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language
Thank you very much
84.78.250.13 ( talk) 17:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone added Serbo-Croatian. Let's look the facts. How many citizens in ex-Yugoslavia states declares to speak Serbo-Croatian, only a very small minority.
Facts are next:
Source for number of speakers of Serbo-Croatian language ( source) is sum of number of citizens of Republic of Croatia, Republic of Serbia and Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as quoted "Population total all countries: 16,351,052." This leads us to conclusion it is not number of speakers, but number of citizens of those three states.
I think main argument for adding Serbo-Croatian is kind of "karadžiđistic" if I may call it so... Karadžić stated, I can't qoute him correctly: "I met two Macedonian shepherds and they told me that their language is similiar to Serbian, so this means Macedonians are also Serbs."
Don't play with Karadžić toys.
Regards, -- Wustenfuchs ( talk) 01:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
The Serbo-Croatian language in Croatia is spoken by 4,961 people, and Croato-Serbian 2,054 people Republic of Croatia - Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS).-- Sokac121 ( talk) 11:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Majority of people are dumb, but you are smart? Ok, :) But, when did Serbo-Croatian entered the service? In 1945, when was kicked out of service in 1990. This language has it's history only for 45 years. Second thing, how many people stated they speak Serbo-Croatian? And know what Herr Štambuk, don't do WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH. It's what you think, not what majority of dumb people think and says. Look all over the literature and internet, every seriouse scientist will write how many people speaks Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and now Montenegrin, what they wrote 30-40 years ago it's political literature, and no good to Wikipedia. And, I can think that your oppinion is this is "nationalistic", but, nationalist isn't bad word any more, it stoped to be 20 years ago. And it's not nationalistic, those are the facts my friend.-- Wustenfuchs ( talk) 13:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Look Herr Štambuk, we don't care about short history of Serbo-Croatian "language", I won't even try to reply about those short historical story of yours. Facts - Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are official languages in Croatia (Croatian), Serbia (Serbian), Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnian, Croatian, Serbian). Great majority of population of those states declared them selfs to speak Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian, in later time Montenegrin. About your "brotherhood and unity" feelings, facts don't give a damn. Maybe it would be more beutifoul if we were all bros and sis, but who would I marry then? :D I my self, know diferenties between Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian, no need you to explain me that. But you look only on grammer diferency, look at historical one also. And look at today situation. You can't just add Serbo-Croatian language to a list with argument "We all speak same, we are all brothers and sisters", Jesus can say that, but not you, it's not good argument. And what World think I don't care, I care about facts. For you Štambuk, it's not about what World thinks, it's about facts.
And it's not "mljeko", but "mlijeko", you don't know Croatian, why would you care anyway.
Regards-- Wusten fuchs 18:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
You probably don't read what I write... I didn't say SC was invented by Commies, I never said you are a Commie. Second thing, stick to the point. Serbo-Croatian language is speaked almost by nobody, Croatian language has far longer history then this invented SC language. Serbian language is also older then this SC, Bosnian not, but it was a product of this same SC, that is a fact. Look, I know you know things, like Marulić and other old writers, they wrote in " Arvacki or as they liked to write Croatian or Illirian in later time. The word Serbo-Croatian is very very young word, compared to Croatian. SC is family of languages, not language by it self. And I must notice this your sentence "I assure you that I'm not Communist in my politically affiliations", I can only reply with an example, when kids done something bad, thay betray them selfs with sentence "It wasn't me" :D.
Regards.-- Wusten fuchs 16:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There are more than 70 million Turkish citizens in Reublic of Turkey. Even if you separate all Turkish languages, the number of Turkish speakers in this list should be 71 million as seen in this link http://www.milliyet.com.tr/Ekonomi/SonDakika.aspx?aType=SonDakika&ArticleID=1051677 (the link is in Turkish) -- DenizCc ( talk) 19:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, should Azeri and Turkish be combined under a single name. In the discussions above it is seen that Tajik is counted as a form of Persian because they can intercommunicate. The same applies to Turkish and Azeri. -- DenizCc ( talk) 19:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Furthermore, since languages like Turkic, Oghuz, Altaic are regarded as a family of Turkish language, the total number has to be around 220 million.Turkish is the fifth most spoken language of the world.( ref. ekrem akçay trabzon). Turkish spoken in Albania, Azerbaijan,Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Greece,Northern Cyprus, Kosovo, Republic of Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Syria,Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and by immigrant communities in Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, and the United States.
I agree; in this list language of Arabic countries did not count as separete languages, same goes for english, spanish, russian etc. But when it comes to Turkic language, every country's dialect counts as a separete language. This neither neutral nor correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.235.91.137 ( talk) 08:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me how is possible that this list says that less than 180.000.000 people speak portuguese in the world if only in Brazil there is more than 190.000.000 people? Now Portuguese is first language in alot of countries including, Brazil, Portugal, Angola, Cape Verde, Macau, Mozambique, etc etc etc so how can you say there is less than 180.000.000 people speaking portuguese? ... This list is so wrong Tacv ( talk) 02:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
So lets see. This list says portuguese is native language of 150-170 million people. So lets count the higher estimate number 170 million. Lets look at Portugal and Brazil. 11 million (Portugal) + X (Brazil) = 170 million ... This mean the population of native speaker in Brazil had to be 160 million to reach the estimate number of 170 million. This means a cut of 40 million people in the Brazilian population which is ridiculous (brazilian population is 190 million and portuguese is the ONLY official language in Brazil). And this is only counting with 2 countries that speak portuguese. There are 9 countries that have portuguese as their native and official language. I don't want to start a discussion or anything, but i really think the numbers in this list are very odd. As i said i only wanted to raise awareness to the issue. Big hug Tacv ( talk) 22:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article about Brazil: "The official language of Brazil is Portuguese, which is spoken by almost all of the population and is virtually the only language used in newspapers, radio, television, and for business and administrative purposes". The same article states that the brazilian population Is over 192 million. Even if 1% of brazilians didn't speak portuguese (and that's a high estimation), that would mean 190 milion of portuguese speakers ONLY in Brazil...Counting 10 million from Portugal, that would mean 200 million people. And I'm not even counting portuguese speakers from Africa and Asia. So, the number in this article is VERY low. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.189.93.115 ( talk) 19:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry Munci, I am Brazilian and I can assure you that Portuguese is the NATIVE language of, at least, 99% of the population. In fact, I never met or heard about a Brazilian that doesn´t have portuguese as his (hers) first language. There are some tribles in the Amazon forest that don´t speak portuguese as their first language, but they barely outnumber 100.000. That would be less than 0.01% of the Brazilian population. This article is a joke. I am sure that the same happens to many other languages here. DANIELMALANSKI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.140.51.250 ( talk) 19:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
It's clear that the numbers published on Portuguese speakers are wrong by a huge margin. A little research can confirm that. Anyone who knows anything about Brazil can confirm that more than 99% of the population is a native speaker. I can much more easily find a local publication in a minority language in any major city in the US than in the whole country of Brazil. While immigration in the early 20th century led to communities that preserved their language for a couple of generations (German, Italian, Japanese)that effect has disappeared with greatly reduced immigration in the last 50 years. Clearly there is great prejudice behind the lack of accuracy in the numbers published, and the main cause of prejudice is ignorance. Ignorance reflected on the data published in an Encyclopedia is quite a paradox... I have traveled in Brazil, and lived in multiple Portuguese speaking countries (Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, Macao) and I can come up with a quick approximation that is much more reliable than the published numbers. Native/2nd language speakers in Brazil: 191/192.5 million; Portugal: 11/11.5 million; Angola: .8/8 million; Mozambique: 1.1/10 million; Sao Tome, Gunie-Bissau, Cape Verde: 1.1/2.5 million; East Timor.4/1.0 million. Ignoring small populations of native Portuguese, and Portuguese dialect speakers (Luxembourg, Andorra, Spain, France, Germany, South Africa, Goa, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea, Macao, Dutch Antilles, Australia, USA) this adds up to 205 Million native speakers and over 220 million including those who speak Portuguese as second language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crosscontinental ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Saraiki is the largest language of pakistan. according of HEC Islamabad Pakistan , There are more than 120 million saraiki .Kindly saraiki may be included. Parvez Qadir Khan Saraiki is 9th largest language but ignored.this language be included in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.10.107 ( talk) 01:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
see [Saraiki language] and global recordings —Preceding
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saraiki is included in punjabi. saraiki is the major language so it be renamed as saraiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.14.238 ( talk) 00:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
According to its aticle, Saraiki has 13.9 million speakers in Pakistan. The largest language in Pakistan by native speakers is Punjabi. AlexanderKaras ( talk) 00:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
German only has that many native speakers if using the broader definition (including mutually unintelligible dialects). Most people in Bavaria, Austria, Swabia and German Switzerland speak Austro-Bavarian and Alemannic "dialects", for example. Because of this, I've removed the references to "Standard German" from the German section. saɪm duʃan Talk| Contribs 08:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, as per your request, I am taking it up on the talk page (here). You mentioned the source is wrong. Why? (Why is it better than George Weber's?) Also, the "List of languages by total speakers" article uses the numbers I added. That's what I was referring to in my edit comment. I skimmed through the Talk page before making my edit, and I did not find a discussion regarding the sources for the totals. Please explain your rationale for using these numbers. Regards, -- Therexbanner ( talk) 21:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Los hablantes nativos son más de 240 millones. 190.51.133.52 ( talk) 22:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
I know it's been discussed for multiple languages above but the numbers here and in List of languages by total number of speakers differ radically. There are more native speakers than total speakers for at least one language (Hindi/Urdu). Ethnologue is cited as the primary source for both, but Hindi/Urdu cites another, probably less reliable source (BBC language lessons).
Without some standard to reconcile widely differing sources, these articles make no sense. I don't have inclination to sort this out but IMO both articles are dubious as-is. Feel free to either provide better footnotes on what's what or fix the numbers, then delete the dubious template i added. - PhilipR ( talk) 13:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Even in the clearest case, however, that of "native-speakers", in this case of English, one would expect the figures to match the population figures of "English-speaking" countries which these do not. And, if you include also those for whom English has become their primary mode of communication--a not unreasonable extension (as long as the definitions are clearly made)--then the numbers are even more undercounted. Indeed, if you totaled all of the languages, does the total equal the world population (or at least the world population minus those young enough not to yet be speaking--or even yet listening comprehendingly to--any language!). Brief acknowledgement of these matters, and some consistency and precision here, would go a long way to making this much needed page a great deal more useful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.170.177.38 ( talk) 17:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I didn't know what to do, so I say it here... Galanom ( talk) 19:31, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
One of the two articles is blatantly wrong and should be corrected. 193.190.253.146 ( talk) 16:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
This estimate is pretty accurate as of 2011:
136,456,100 Native French speakers
+ 59,052,000 Partial French speakers,
for a total of 195,508,100 French speakers in the world.
Source
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[7] See also
List_of_countries_where_French_is_an_official_language — Preceding
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Its seems that the native speaker figures for Igbo and Yoruba are too low. For both of these 'peoples' they have a total of 25-30 million of total speakers. Barely any people speak these languages other than the natives, so I believe the proper number should be around 25-28 million. Just a suggestion. Also many other languages have been underestimated. I am a native speaker of Igbo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.16.236 ( talk) 01:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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Please edit this page to reflect the numbers of French speakers listed on
136,456,100 Native French speakers + 59,052,000 Partial French speakers for a total of 195,508,100 French speakers in the world.
Sources: http://20mars.francophonie.org/IMG/pdf/FICHE_03_Nombre_de_francophones.pdf and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_French_is_an_official_language
I think these are more accurate than the numbers currently referenced.
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Hello, I was looking at this page and the French Speakers part is just out right wrong. It states that there are about 68million native Speakers and 120million total. The population of France alone is greater than 68 Million. French is spoken all over the world and the total number of speakers is about 346,812,250. The number of native speakers is about 110 Million. French is the most second most studied language in the world and is definetly spoken much more than it is being shown as. It would help many people who use Wikipedia to know the truth so please change the number of native and total French Speakers on this page to the correct number. I have looked this up on many websites and this is the number that is most common and I have in my general knowledge
67.177.189.176 ( talk) 17:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
First of all, I agree with the above about the French language. Second of all, according to your own Wikipedia and other sources, the number of native speakers of Persian is around 80 million, while the total number of people who speak Persian is around 140 million. Here you only put 30 million people or so, which is less than half of the population of Iran, not to even mention Afghanistan and Tajikistan, where 90% of people speak Persian, as well as other regions. I don't have additional sources, but you already have everything in other pages of Wikipedia.--Kasparov49acer 19:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss ( talk • contribs)
I noticed that the tables do not sort properly, it appears they sort alphabetically rather than numerically. Try sorting the Total column and you will see that it sorts 1025 million, 123 million, 192 million, etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgmarcum ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
For those of you who want to improve the article, the section "Additional languages to consider" has yet to be integrated into the main tables. — kwami ( talk) 09:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Why was it removed? Dylpickleh8 ( talk) 19:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Chattisgarhi, Rajasthani, Marwari, Awadhi and those are still considered as dialects of Hindi. Urdu is a separate language, but it is clubbed as Hindi-Urdu. Can someone cite the sources for the classification mentioned in the article - Why are Hindi and Urdu clubbed, why are dialects of Hindi shown as separate languages, especially when they are not used anywhere outside India and inside India, no one officially or unofficially treats them as separate languages? Same applies to Chittagongian(Bengali) as well. Especially, this doesn't make sense when all the Arabic dialects, even they are not mutually intelligible, are treated as a same language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.99.164 ( talk) 23:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
How could the number of Persian-speakers worldwide be 39 million when CIA fact-book has the number of native Persian speakers in Iran alone at 61% of Iran's 75 million population? And there are at least another 30 million native Persian-speakers in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan? The article uses Ethnologue's outdated/inaccurately-categorized numbers for Persian, yet for 34 million Azerbaijani language speakers (which is an exaggerated number), the main source used is some random webpage called www.azstat.org, which does not meet the requirements of WP:RS. I'm adding a disputed tag, until these obvious inaccuracies are corrected. Kurdo777 ( talk) 23:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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number of native speakers for Hindi should be 600 million. Number of native speakers of Bengali should be 300 million.
Nishant ram2007 ( talk) 17:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
English is spoken by over 1,340 million tongues worldwide. It is the language of science and entertainment. Please include it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.14.165 ( talk) 12:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
The number of native English speakers in this article is absurdly low, given the collective populations of the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada. The definition of "native speaker" must also be unrealistically narrow and, thus, result in a very low number for, say, India. To define fluent English as nonetheless non-native may be interesting academically, but it is impractical for multilingual societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.112.1.251 ( talk) 20:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Exuse me but "The number of native English speakers in this article is absurdly low" is false this number is very hight beaucause : USA 300 + england 60 + Kanada 20 + australia 20 + 10% population of india =401 milion
For kwon the true masterie of english : http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenfrancais/orban.htm
and find in other documents in language french :
Selon le service de la recherche pédagogique de Hanovre, il existe un décalage important dans l'apprentissage de l'anglais comme seconde langue entre le niveau qu'estiment posséder les utilisateurs et leur véritable maîtrise. Ainsi, il a été demandé à des élèves qui pratiquaient depuis 8 à 10 ans d'estimer leur niveau de compétence : 34 % ont répondu « très bien », 38 % ont répondu « bien » ; en revanche, à la suite d'un test d'évaluation on s'est rendu compte que seulement 1 % des étudiants maîtrisaient très bien l'anglais, et seulement 4 % le maîtrisaient bien
Dans le cadre d’une étude réalisée en 2000 et publiée dans le numéro 26-27, 2002, de Läkartidningen, revue spécialisée destinée aux médecins suédois, 111 médecins généralistes danois, suédois et norvégiens ont lu le même article synoptique pendant 10 minutes. La moitié l’a lu dans sa langue maternelle, l’autre moitié en anglais. Des questions étaient posées tout de suite après la lecture. En général, tous les médecins danois, norvégiens et suédois sont relativement à l’aise avec la langue anglaise grâce à l’enseignement reçu à l’école et grâce également à la télévision, au cinéma et aux chansons. De plus, leur langue est apparentée à l’anglais. Ils lisent également des ouvrages d’études en anglais, sont abonnés à des revues médicales en anglais. Dans le cadre de cette étude, les médecins avaient indiqué qu’ils comprenaient tous l’anglais. 42 % d’entre eux avaient même signalé qu’ils lisaient chaque semaine des communiqués en anglais. Cette étude a révélé que les médecins qui avaient lu le texte en anglais avaient perdu 25 % des informations par rapport au même texte lu dans leur langue maternelle
A gross error resulting in a low number of Enlish native speakers is using 2000 US census data that does not count childen under five. But that data for Spanish countries seems to count little kids. Either count little kids as English speakers or deduct kids under five in Spanish speaking countries.
Anouther grosss error is assumeing that all Hispanics in the US speak Spanish. Not true. Even the census data cited showed that only about half of Hispanics speak Spanish very well but count 35 million as native speakers.
In summary 215 million US native speakers (out of 207 million Americans) is low since my two year old nice can speak English. OK, the US census would not include her but use similar criteria for Spanish speakers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.171.181.95 ( talk) 15:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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The idea that the Portuguese language has only 193 million speakers is absurd.
Brazil alone has 190 million people according to the 2010 Census. Virtually all of the population of Brazil speaks Portuguese.
Portugal alone has 10 million people. Virtually all of the population of Portugal speaks Portuguese.
Angola has a population of 18 million people. A large portion of the population of Angola speaks Portuguese as first language.
Mozambique has a population of 22 million people. A large portion of the population of Mozambique speaks Portuguese as first language.
Add to that number the other smaller Portuguese speaking countries, plus the Brazilian, Portuguese, Angolan and Mozambican diasporas around the world, and anyone can see that the Portuguese language is spoken by way more than 200 million people. Siaraman ( talk) 12:27, 23 November 2011 (UTC)