I think the red links for the islands of Scotosay and Sgeotosaigh may be mispelling for the same island in Loch Tarbert off the coast of Harris which the scottish parliament defines as Scotasay/Sgotasaigh (gaelic).-- JBellis 18:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Haswell-Smith, the only reference the 'List of islands of Scotland' article page quotes, agrees with the latter and I have amended accordingly. The two lists are now consistent. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The areas provided are not referenced and contradict those provided by Haswell-Smith. As Template:Infobox Scottish island appears on more and larger islands this is causing minor difficulties in providing a magnitude rank. Unles someone can provide references for the existing numbers I will replace them.
Also, does anyone know precisely where the islands of Flodda (pop 11) and Grimsay A (pop 19) in the List of inhabited islands by Population Size are located? These names are not used by Haswell-Smith and whilst there are several small 'Flodday' contenders and I can't see any obvious evidence of a second Grimsay. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The General Register Office for Scotland source has solved this one. They call them Grimsay (North), which is the larger of the two and is clearly 'Grimsay B, "Griomasaigh" on the A865; and Grimsay (South), which unlike the former they group with Benbecula. Grimsay (South)/A is to be found at NF 832 471 east of Lionacleit and is on the B891. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Does the Hoy figure include the island of South Walls which is linked by causeway? And is Hoy really the same size as Bute?-- JBellis 21:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The short answers are 'yes' and 'yes'. As we noted at Template talk:Infobox Scottish island Haswell-Smith's general definition of an island is unsatisfactory. However generally speaking in the text (as opposed to the Appendix) he does differentiate between the sizes of islands that are connected by causeways or bridges. From this I have been able to generate a table of the 100 largest islands - using a more normal definition. South Walls is an exception (for no obvious reason). If anyone can find a source for the area of South Walls/Hoy alone I'd be happy to include them. Even without South Walls, Hoy may still be bigger than Bute - but it would be close. Thanks for picking up on this. Ben MacDui (Talk) 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The land areas used in both the list and the Infoboxes are all Haswell-Smith's estimates. We are, I think, agreed that his definition is flawed: "an Island is a piece of land or group of pieces of land which is entirely surrounded by water at Lowest Astronomical Tide and to which there is no permanent means of dry access" on the grounds that the last clause excludes Skye etc.
However, there area various islands on the article list which also fail his definition as they are tidal (e.g. Davaar, Baleshare, Shuna) .This only becomes an issue for the area rank of the islands after about No. 50, which is roughly where South Walls would be. My understanding is that until about the beginning of the 20th century South Walls was a tidal island but is now connected to Hoy by a causeway. For consistency it would ideally be treated as an island in its own right, but I can't find a reference that provides a separate land area for it. (Uncharacteristically Haswell-Smith does not supply one although he does for other tidal islands).
There are various options, but it seems to me that the most credible and consistent one is to:
I will proceed on this basis unless there are objections. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Another anomaly. Burra appears in the list of islands, but its population is distributed between West Burra and East Burra. The independent status of these bridge connected islands is confirmed here [2]. I suspect that 'Burra' is an imposter. Ben MacDui (Talk) 10:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Hopefully the intro and images cheer things up a bit. If the {listdev} tag is ever to be removed there may need to be some kind of clear protocol. I suggest somthing along the lines of - 'the list is of all islands greater in size than 40 hectares/100 acres per Haswell Smith, plus other notable islands (identified with an 's' or similar). Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Having looked at the existing alphabetical list several options present themselves. The main issue to be addressed is that given that the list runs to about 300 islands at present and there are an estimated 500 not on it, many of which are little skerries would it make sense to:
I favour (b) myself, simply because it enables a single definitive list of larger islands to be created. It means that there is not one single alphabetical list, but using 'Find' easily overcomes this difficulty
There are a few other conundrums to be fixed. All the 'Eileans' are under 'E' but 'Isle Martin' is under M. There are one or two others, and they should be 'I's.
The Group/Locations are a little inconsistent and not always helpful in locating the island. It's a tedious task but I think the island Groups per Haswell-Smith and Template talk:Infobox Scottish island would make most sense, assuming the enthusiasm could be generated to undertake the changes.
Some entries are not islands but archipelagos. There could also be a separate short list of 'small archipelagos' e.g. Crowlins, Flannans, Ascribs etc. which I will attempt asap. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Islands ranked by height would be useful too. -- MacRusgail 19:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Re the above discussion about 'List issues', I started (b) but it is a lengthy exercise, and the main list would then omit smaller inhabited islands e.g. Easdale and the notable Staffa. If we were using a database that could be manipulated to create new lists automatically, it might make sense, but for now (a) seems like the path of least resistance. I have placed a short sentence at the top of the list which indicates that it is 'complete' but with the additional smaller islands. Unless anyone has a better suggestion I think this list is now pretty complete and well worth an attempt at featured status. Ben MacDui (Talk) 15:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
As a final tweak I have moved Isleornsay from former islands - (I can't find any evidence that it is one), put it in 'Places which are not islands' and added Ornsay to tidal islands. Ben MacDui (Talk) 11:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Haswell-Smith claims that the derivation of the name is apparently that 'yoo-ist' means 'west' in Old Norse. However, having raised this at Talk:Old Norse (which sounds oddly like an instruction) those kind enough to engage state that:
If anyone can contribute any other ideas as to the derivation of the Gaelic name Uibhist which presumably long pre-dates the anglified 'Uist' I'd appreciate it. Ben MacDui (Talk) 22:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I've incorporated the 'inni-vist' derivation at North & South Uist. Many thanks for your support. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd dispute listing Inchgarvie as a "former island" because it is linked to the mainland by a bridge. After all, so is Skye. I don't think the fact that the bridge depends on Inchgarvie makes any difference, it's still a bridged island Lurker 14:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. If there are no objections I will remove it from this section. Ben MacDui (Talk) 15:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
The Featured List application and is on the brink of failing simply because of a lack of reviews (3 so far, minimum 4 support needed.) If folk have good reasons not to support it that's fine by me, but it would be a pity if it failed through apathy. The discussion is here. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to all who contributed to the success of both the creation of the list and its recent candidature - especially WOD. I must confess that when I began the exercise I did not anticipate it would result in a loss of information to certain parts of the article (for example there is no longer an easy way to find the population rank of a given island) but we live and learn. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Great work on the table. Just one question - why have you changed the Orkney Islands and Shetland Islands links to Orkney Mainland and Shetland Mainland? Surely the former are the island groups? Warofdreams talk 02:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The Islay, Skye, Lewis and Harris etc. groups all relate back to an island which is the dominant land form in the group. The Orkney and Shetland articles are about the archipelagoes as a whole and even have local authority boxes. It seemed more consistent to refer these two groups back to the respective mainlands, although the generic articles have a great deal more information. I can change them back if you think that would be more useful. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Although they are for the most part neither populated nor especially notable, islands with the above names can be confusing. Flodday (disambiguation) is now available as a guide for the perplexed (mostly me). Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Isle Ristol article created - it is tidal but referenced as 225 ha (Haswell-Smith 1997 mentions with Tanera Mòr and in SI intro). I presume it should be in the main table (71m; 0 popn), not the smaller islands (<40ha). Agree? Finavon 23:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Done. I see two Oronsay in tidal list - all are tidal (from name), but few are significant. How about putting many islands called Oronsay in the list? Finavon 09:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Far from being given the oxygen of publicity these islands should be reprimanded - clearly at least one is >40ha. I fear Isle Martin (good article btw) may be downgraded yet further in the area stakes. I am beginning to sympathise with Haswell-Smith's outright rejection of tidal islands. How many more can there be? I will check the Oronsay's out and make some positive suggestion when I have made their acquaintance. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
S Uist:
N Uist:
these last 2 were my original N Uist 2
Benbecula:
Barra:
I think Oronsay, Outer Hebrides is the same as Orasaigh, Outer Hebrides, Orasaigh, Sound of Harris west by the hamlet of Greinetobht and Orasaigh (in main list). It appears to be the only one over 40 ha. The other are smaller and all are uninhabited. I propose adding this list to Oronsay with the statement that it is one of the commonest names for Scottish islands - comments/corrections? NB 8 Flodaigh in OS gazetteer. Finavon 23:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I have not looked at all the above, but yes, you are correct, Oronsay, Outer Hebrides is Orasaigh, Sound of Harris west by the hamlet of Greinetobht. I'll take it out of the list. I have up to seven Flodaigh types - if you can list the one(s) missing from the disambig page I will happily add to that. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing this. I wonder if there is such as thing as a 'featured disambiguation page'? With a few photos and a little work providing a paragraph or two on the history and variations for each island.... well perhaps not. Ben MacDui (Talk) 13:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to WOD for creating this. I have boldly amended the infobox and several points arise.
The observant will note the page names. The current rate of activity, which is amazing, may not keep up, but if it does then some simple form of project co-ordination over an above this talk page may be useful. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Apologies to Finavon - the number for area was incorrect in the List overleaf and copied into the infobox. I will check for any 'rank' issues that emerge in other boxes. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear Sir Finavon - First of all, many thanks for fixing Eilean Ban, S Walls etc. I am most remiss in not spotting these earlier. Secondly, I don't know what you are up to with your mysterious edit (reduce to single copy of each ref - permits editing ..). First of all, I have never been quite sure what the advantage of this 'cite web' method is. Some bloke went through an entire GA I was watching recently changing every one. There were about 100 and it must have taken an hour at least. He could provide no obvious explanation so I assumed OCD and let him be. Secondly, this has resulted in the jaunty 'main refs' bit vanishing, which to be honest, I quite liked. Yours, seeking enlightenment, Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Of the 208 Larger & populated islands, 181 have any sort of page (many are stubs), of which 74 (with Ornsay) use the island infobox. Finavon 17:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow - 74. Someone has been adding them too quickly for me to catch up with. However, as I am in denial about OCD I am not going to look for the ones I missed. (Today). Tediously, my s/sheet has 207, not 208. This includes S Walls and the three inhabited tiddlers. Could you have a look at Islands by area and let me know at what point we go out of synch? As my standard browser can't toggle the tables I end up with two browsers and a s/sheet running, which doesn't contribute to either mental health or accuracy. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I now believe that ROI accept UK sovereignty over Rockall as it falls within the Economic sea boundary of the UK - therefore the UK is entitled to claim the isle, and a 13 Nmile fishing right around it.
There is a body of editors very keen to ensure Rockall is not part of the UK.
LG —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.216.29.218 ( talk • contribs).
"the legality of the claim is disputed by the Republic of Ireland, Denmark and Iceland and it is probably unenforceable in international law."
I would dispute this, not for any jingoistic reasons, but simply Britain's military might, especially naval, which dwarves anything the Icelanders, Danish or Irish have in that way. Also, the UK usually has US backing on certain matters. -- MacRusgail 09:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
If you are saying that the claim might be enforceable militarily, I agree with you, but that's not the same thing. Its a complex matter regularly aired at Talk:Rockall and even Talk:Scotland. Incidentally, its not clear to me why Rocabarraigh is assumed to be a different 'phantom island' with a very similar name and not simply a legend about Rockall. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The reference to 'walking to Baleshare' (see Tidal islands) is certainly verifiable, but I have to say I think it is classifiable as 'legend' rather than anything more plausible. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't speak for the whole of Scotland in general or the Western Isles in particular. As a professional geographer and frequent traveller of both Orkney and Shetland I will refer to these island groups and the way they are presented on this page only.
I think the red links for the islands of Scotosay and Sgeotosaigh may be mispelling for the same island in Loch Tarbert off the coast of Harris which the scottish parliament defines as Scotasay/Sgotasaigh (gaelic).-- JBellis 18:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Haswell-Smith, the only reference the 'List of islands of Scotland' article page quotes, agrees with the latter and I have amended accordingly. The two lists are now consistent. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The areas provided are not referenced and contradict those provided by Haswell-Smith. As Template:Infobox Scottish island appears on more and larger islands this is causing minor difficulties in providing a magnitude rank. Unles someone can provide references for the existing numbers I will replace them.
Also, does anyone know precisely where the islands of Flodda (pop 11) and Grimsay A (pop 19) in the List of inhabited islands by Population Size are located? These names are not used by Haswell-Smith and whilst there are several small 'Flodday' contenders and I can't see any obvious evidence of a second Grimsay. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The General Register Office for Scotland source has solved this one. They call them Grimsay (North), which is the larger of the two and is clearly 'Grimsay B, "Griomasaigh" on the A865; and Grimsay (South), which unlike the former they group with Benbecula. Grimsay (South)/A is to be found at NF 832 471 east of Lionacleit and is on the B891. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Does the Hoy figure include the island of South Walls which is linked by causeway? And is Hoy really the same size as Bute?-- JBellis 21:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The short answers are 'yes' and 'yes'. As we noted at Template talk:Infobox Scottish island Haswell-Smith's general definition of an island is unsatisfactory. However generally speaking in the text (as opposed to the Appendix) he does differentiate between the sizes of islands that are connected by causeways or bridges. From this I have been able to generate a table of the 100 largest islands - using a more normal definition. South Walls is an exception (for no obvious reason). If anyone can find a source for the area of South Walls/Hoy alone I'd be happy to include them. Even without South Walls, Hoy may still be bigger than Bute - but it would be close. Thanks for picking up on this. Ben MacDui (Talk) 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The land areas used in both the list and the Infoboxes are all Haswell-Smith's estimates. We are, I think, agreed that his definition is flawed: "an Island is a piece of land or group of pieces of land which is entirely surrounded by water at Lowest Astronomical Tide and to which there is no permanent means of dry access" on the grounds that the last clause excludes Skye etc.
However, there area various islands on the article list which also fail his definition as they are tidal (e.g. Davaar, Baleshare, Shuna) .This only becomes an issue for the area rank of the islands after about No. 50, which is roughly where South Walls would be. My understanding is that until about the beginning of the 20th century South Walls was a tidal island but is now connected to Hoy by a causeway. For consistency it would ideally be treated as an island in its own right, but I can't find a reference that provides a separate land area for it. (Uncharacteristically Haswell-Smith does not supply one although he does for other tidal islands).
There are various options, but it seems to me that the most credible and consistent one is to:
I will proceed on this basis unless there are objections. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Another anomaly. Burra appears in the list of islands, but its population is distributed between West Burra and East Burra. The independent status of these bridge connected islands is confirmed here [2]. I suspect that 'Burra' is an imposter. Ben MacDui (Talk) 10:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Hopefully the intro and images cheer things up a bit. If the {listdev} tag is ever to be removed there may need to be some kind of clear protocol. I suggest somthing along the lines of - 'the list is of all islands greater in size than 40 hectares/100 acres per Haswell Smith, plus other notable islands (identified with an 's' or similar). Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Having looked at the existing alphabetical list several options present themselves. The main issue to be addressed is that given that the list runs to about 300 islands at present and there are an estimated 500 not on it, many of which are little skerries would it make sense to:
I favour (b) myself, simply because it enables a single definitive list of larger islands to be created. It means that there is not one single alphabetical list, but using 'Find' easily overcomes this difficulty
There are a few other conundrums to be fixed. All the 'Eileans' are under 'E' but 'Isle Martin' is under M. There are one or two others, and they should be 'I's.
The Group/Locations are a little inconsistent and not always helpful in locating the island. It's a tedious task but I think the island Groups per Haswell-Smith and Template talk:Infobox Scottish island would make most sense, assuming the enthusiasm could be generated to undertake the changes.
Some entries are not islands but archipelagos. There could also be a separate short list of 'small archipelagos' e.g. Crowlins, Flannans, Ascribs etc. which I will attempt asap. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Islands ranked by height would be useful too. -- MacRusgail 19:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Re the above discussion about 'List issues', I started (b) but it is a lengthy exercise, and the main list would then omit smaller inhabited islands e.g. Easdale and the notable Staffa. If we were using a database that could be manipulated to create new lists automatically, it might make sense, but for now (a) seems like the path of least resistance. I have placed a short sentence at the top of the list which indicates that it is 'complete' but with the additional smaller islands. Unless anyone has a better suggestion I think this list is now pretty complete and well worth an attempt at featured status. Ben MacDui (Talk) 15:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
As a final tweak I have moved Isleornsay from former islands - (I can't find any evidence that it is one), put it in 'Places which are not islands' and added Ornsay to tidal islands. Ben MacDui (Talk) 11:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Haswell-Smith claims that the derivation of the name is apparently that 'yoo-ist' means 'west' in Old Norse. However, having raised this at Talk:Old Norse (which sounds oddly like an instruction) those kind enough to engage state that:
If anyone can contribute any other ideas as to the derivation of the Gaelic name Uibhist which presumably long pre-dates the anglified 'Uist' I'd appreciate it. Ben MacDui (Talk) 22:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I've incorporated the 'inni-vist' derivation at North & South Uist. Many thanks for your support. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd dispute listing Inchgarvie as a "former island" because it is linked to the mainland by a bridge. After all, so is Skye. I don't think the fact that the bridge depends on Inchgarvie makes any difference, it's still a bridged island Lurker 14:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. If there are no objections I will remove it from this section. Ben MacDui (Talk) 15:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
The Featured List application and is on the brink of failing simply because of a lack of reviews (3 so far, minimum 4 support needed.) If folk have good reasons not to support it that's fine by me, but it would be a pity if it failed through apathy. The discussion is here. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to all who contributed to the success of both the creation of the list and its recent candidature - especially WOD. I must confess that when I began the exercise I did not anticipate it would result in a loss of information to certain parts of the article (for example there is no longer an easy way to find the population rank of a given island) but we live and learn. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Great work on the table. Just one question - why have you changed the Orkney Islands and Shetland Islands links to Orkney Mainland and Shetland Mainland? Surely the former are the island groups? Warofdreams talk 02:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The Islay, Skye, Lewis and Harris etc. groups all relate back to an island which is the dominant land form in the group. The Orkney and Shetland articles are about the archipelagoes as a whole and even have local authority boxes. It seemed more consistent to refer these two groups back to the respective mainlands, although the generic articles have a great deal more information. I can change them back if you think that would be more useful. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Although they are for the most part neither populated nor especially notable, islands with the above names can be confusing. Flodday (disambiguation) is now available as a guide for the perplexed (mostly me). Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Isle Ristol article created - it is tidal but referenced as 225 ha (Haswell-Smith 1997 mentions with Tanera Mòr and in SI intro). I presume it should be in the main table (71m; 0 popn), not the smaller islands (<40ha). Agree? Finavon 23:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Done. I see two Oronsay in tidal list - all are tidal (from name), but few are significant. How about putting many islands called Oronsay in the list? Finavon 09:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Far from being given the oxygen of publicity these islands should be reprimanded - clearly at least one is >40ha. I fear Isle Martin (good article btw) may be downgraded yet further in the area stakes. I am beginning to sympathise with Haswell-Smith's outright rejection of tidal islands. How many more can there be? I will check the Oronsay's out and make some positive suggestion when I have made their acquaintance. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
S Uist:
N Uist:
these last 2 were my original N Uist 2
Benbecula:
Barra:
I think Oronsay, Outer Hebrides is the same as Orasaigh, Outer Hebrides, Orasaigh, Sound of Harris west by the hamlet of Greinetobht and Orasaigh (in main list). It appears to be the only one over 40 ha. The other are smaller and all are uninhabited. I propose adding this list to Oronsay with the statement that it is one of the commonest names for Scottish islands - comments/corrections? NB 8 Flodaigh in OS gazetteer. Finavon 23:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I have not looked at all the above, but yes, you are correct, Oronsay, Outer Hebrides is Orasaigh, Sound of Harris west by the hamlet of Greinetobht. I'll take it out of the list. I have up to seven Flodaigh types - if you can list the one(s) missing from the disambig page I will happily add to that. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing this. I wonder if there is such as thing as a 'featured disambiguation page'? With a few photos and a little work providing a paragraph or two on the history and variations for each island.... well perhaps not. Ben MacDui (Talk) 13:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to WOD for creating this. I have boldly amended the infobox and several points arise.
The observant will note the page names. The current rate of activity, which is amazing, may not keep up, but if it does then some simple form of project co-ordination over an above this talk page may be useful. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Apologies to Finavon - the number for area was incorrect in the List overleaf and copied into the infobox. I will check for any 'rank' issues that emerge in other boxes. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear Sir Finavon - First of all, many thanks for fixing Eilean Ban, S Walls etc. I am most remiss in not spotting these earlier. Secondly, I don't know what you are up to with your mysterious edit (reduce to single copy of each ref - permits editing ..). First of all, I have never been quite sure what the advantage of this 'cite web' method is. Some bloke went through an entire GA I was watching recently changing every one. There were about 100 and it must have taken an hour at least. He could provide no obvious explanation so I assumed OCD and let him be. Secondly, this has resulted in the jaunty 'main refs' bit vanishing, which to be honest, I quite liked. Yours, seeking enlightenment, Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Of the 208 Larger & populated islands, 181 have any sort of page (many are stubs), of which 74 (with Ornsay) use the island infobox. Finavon 17:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow - 74. Someone has been adding them too quickly for me to catch up with. However, as I am in denial about OCD I am not going to look for the ones I missed. (Today). Tediously, my s/sheet has 207, not 208. This includes S Walls and the three inhabited tiddlers. Could you have a look at Islands by area and let me know at what point we go out of synch? As my standard browser can't toggle the tables I end up with two browsers and a s/sheet running, which doesn't contribute to either mental health or accuracy. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I now believe that ROI accept UK sovereignty over Rockall as it falls within the Economic sea boundary of the UK - therefore the UK is entitled to claim the isle, and a 13 Nmile fishing right around it.
There is a body of editors very keen to ensure Rockall is not part of the UK.
LG —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.216.29.218 ( talk • contribs).
"the legality of the claim is disputed by the Republic of Ireland, Denmark and Iceland and it is probably unenforceable in international law."
I would dispute this, not for any jingoistic reasons, but simply Britain's military might, especially naval, which dwarves anything the Icelanders, Danish or Irish have in that way. Also, the UK usually has US backing on certain matters. -- MacRusgail 09:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
If you are saying that the claim might be enforceable militarily, I agree with you, but that's not the same thing. Its a complex matter regularly aired at Talk:Rockall and even Talk:Scotland. Incidentally, its not clear to me why Rocabarraigh is assumed to be a different 'phantom island' with a very similar name and not simply a legend about Rockall. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The reference to 'walking to Baleshare' (see Tidal islands) is certainly verifiable, but I have to say I think it is classifiable as 'legend' rather than anything more plausible. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't speak for the whole of Scotland in general or the Western Isles in particular. As a professional geographer and frequent traveller of both Orkney and Shetland I will refer to these island groups and the way they are presented on this page only.