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What if we made a sublist with the cases that only occur in Finno-Ugric languages?
Perhaps we should make the "example languages" more comprehensive and include all known languages that distinguish that particular case. Kwertii 16:16, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I included references from Panu Mäkinen at the University of Jyväskylä for a couple of Finnish cases. By the way, at which point (especially in Finnish) can you tell, if a grammatical construction is a case? On the websites I took as references, there are many examples of Finnish words in the mentioned cases, if somebody has got problems to find such. However, references from this source could still be added for these Finnish cases: Nominative, Genitive, Accussative, Essive 193.185.137.35 ( talk) 01:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I renamed this article "List of language cases" because "List of cases" is not specific enough. For example, "List of cases" could refer to legal cases. Kingturtle 22:02, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
Concerning the "dedative case" - is there such a thing? What is the point of having a case with no example languages given? Vice 11:53, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The postpositional case and oblique case are the same - and usually referred to only as the oblique case Bish
Is there really a point to mark constructed languages as such? I see no point in distinguishing them apart except to belittle their existance as languages. (Yes, I speak a constructed language, and yes, I am offended.) D. Wo. 08:17, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
Don't you think we need a working definition for a case before we begin to list them? -- Djacobs 18:54, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Is it accurate to list English with a possessive case? While the "'s/Ø'" morpheme certainly began as an inflection in Old English, and English remains just barely, by the skin of its teeth an inflectional language, and you can see its inflectional parallel in Modern German today (though German's genitive equivalent is dying out in the vernacular), at this point "'s/Ø'" has transformed into a clitic, having neither the quality of an agglutination, nor really of its inflectional origins. Besides undergoing context-dependent sound changes between voicing and devoicing, it doesn't adapt to the word it's suffixed to at all. All nouns take it, without discrimination (yielding weird examples where a plural noun is taking a normally singular possessive clitic, like "the children's"). It's far more similar to the "-ing," "-'ve," "-'d," phenomenon of verb contractions, less contractions than clitics themselves, than true inflectional relics like "oxen" or the oblique declensions of the personal pronouns.
Given that, is it appropriate to list the possessive as a case of the English language? Or if so, should it be noted at the top that these cases include examples of clitics, not just inflection? That broadening would bring a lot more languages into play for examples of grammatical cases. Japanese, for example, fits the inflectional requiremnt, and would fill into locative, nominative, accusative, possessive, instrumental, and dozens of other cases, perhaps rivaling Hungarian's fetish for them.
Finnish seems to have this case as well-- this should be edited in. Some examples:
päivisin 'dayly', maanantaisin 'on each monday', tuntisin 'hourly', öisin 'nightly', etc. Pretty productive. -- Alcarilinque 23:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I always understood Arabic to have three cases: nominative -u(n), accusative -a(n) and genitive -i(n). These do not require prepositions. The vocative form uses the preposition يا yā with either the nominative case (without nunation) or the construct state form of the noun. I doubt this would truly be classified as a case, or else there would be many more cases, such as inessive (في fī "inside" + genitive), which is much more of a typical Finno-Ugric case than a Semitic one. LudwigVan 01:49, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What is to be done with non-productive cases? Dutch genitive case is really only used in archaic phrases, and is no longer productive. I guess the answer depends on the purpose of this list. If the intent is to list all cases in all languages, then we could include things like Dutch genitive (perhaps with a note). However, then the list is far from complete. If we just want a few good examples for each case, then Dutch genitive is a really bad choice. Thoughts? Junes 21:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Where did these come from? I don't find any hits for them on Google except for this page. Do they occur in non-constructed languages?
What is Arrocon? A conlang?
Regarding the definitions of the terms, I would think that, if such cases exist, esquertive would be "on the left of" and derechative "on the right of," based on the obvious similarity of the names with Spanish (a la) izquierda (esquerda in Portuguese) "left" and (a la) derecha "right". Correct me if I'm wrong.
Except for maybe the partitive, the current table List_of_grammatical_cases#Semantics is very disputable. The prepositional case should be in the "Morphosyntactic alignment" table, and the vocative could go either there or in "Relation". I have already removed "Disjunctive" because that isn't even a case (and the article has been accordingly renamed and rewritten and recategorized). CapnPrep 17:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Is locative really to be considedred as one of the Latin cases? As far as I know about Latin there are/were only traces of locative manifesting themselves in (sporadic?) use of the genitive of geographical names to denote location in. 85.8.0.197 00:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC) It isn't 'sporadic', and is productive. If you name a new city, you can still produce locative forms to refer to it. While most forms are identical with the genitive, not all are. A case falling into disuse is still a case. 134.84.238.161 ( talk) 16:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
The "prolative", "temporal" etc. aren't real cases in Finnish because they don't agree with adjectives. Removed. Muhaha 20:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There is an Arabic case that is only used with place-nouns (e.g. in front, behind, above, beneath). The declensions are the same of the acusative case.
e.g. the word amaam أمام means "front." When it is declined in the construct accusative case amaama it will mean "in front of" or "at the front of."
This is just exactly like the described 'temporal case,' but it is for place-nouns instead of time-nouns.
and what makes the temporal case different from the accusative?
If you can't see the difference then don't worry about it.
The accusative is the case of "objects" of the other words, especially verbs. The case I'm talking about is an "adverbial" case used for adverbs not for objects. In Arabic grammar it is called ظرف مكان "condition of place," like how the nouns in temporal case are called ظرف زمان"condition of time."
If you mean that the declensions are the same for the two, then, well, I have seen cases overlap in your list (like Arabic mentioned to have both genitive and prepositional cases, although both cases have exactly the same declensions). HD1986 ( talk) 10:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. I suggest fixing the thing about Arabic. Arabic has only three cases, the nominative الرفع, the accusative النصب , and the genitive الجرّ (although the last two may be used for quiet different things).
The list does not indicate the Arabic cases correctly. HD1986 ( talk) 12:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The ablative case is listed twice, under 'Motion from' and 'Relation'. They link to the same page, but they don't seem to be the same thing. Why? Xerxes b ( talk) 18:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
When trying to put under Allative case, that Sumerian contains an allative case, I messed up the page a little, and would like to know how to fix it. I didn't edit charts on here before and have been offline for a while. Sorry.
Thanks, Abdishtar ( talk) 00:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
The article lists 6 cases for Portuguese: accusative, benefactive, comitative, dative, distributive-temporal and genitive. All of these are recent additions to the text. I could imagine some rudiments of old inflections or newborn case-like derivational suffixes on enclitics, e.g. in the pronouns, but claiming that they are cases in the present Portuguese language seems strange. Could somebody please confirm this and provide sound references. -- Surfo ( talk) 16:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Are there any languages that mark the argument of an intransitive verb or the agent of an intransitive verb which does not (necessarily?) imply an object differently from the agent of a transitive verb that implies an object? Or, rather, that mark the argument of a mediopassive verb differently from the agent of an intransitive verb?
For example, in the sentence "John runs", the word "run" could be interpreted as either intransitive or mediopassive depending upon interpretation. If the transitive form is interpreted as being primarily causative ("John ran his dogs ten miles") then the intransitive form implies an unstated object and the subject is an agent, not just an argument. Otherwise, the verb can be thought of as not a "pure" intransitive verb, but a mediopassive one, and "John" is simply the argument, but not necessarily an agent.
Is there a name for a case which marks an argument of a "mediopassive" intransitive verb differently from agents of transitive/intransitive verbs? This would seem a very logical way to mark cases (or to leave unmarked and contrast with other, marked cases) and such a system could easily have been the basis for nominative-accusative, ergative-absolutive, and active-stative systems. -- Þorstejnn ( talk) 23:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't think this is correct - I can neither find reference nor any mention in the articles about those cases to German. Also, German grammar specifies 4 cases, and even in older germanic grammar, those cases aren't found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.248.172.82 ( talk) 12:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Privative is listed in the "relation" section, and abessive is listed in the "state" section, both described as the lack of something. The link privative case redirects to abessive case. I'm not too knowledgeable about grammatical cases, but are these the exact same thing? Should their entries not be merged, or at least moved to the same section?
Justin Kunimune ( talk) 19:09, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
In this list, the item 'Serbo-Croatian' is referred to at one occasion, while both 'Serbian' and 'Croatian' at another. Is there consensus on how to refer to it? Adamchess7347 ( talk) 09:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
If the objective case is used for indirect objects as well as direct objects, it seems to me like 'book' should be in boldface as well as 'her'. If true, would someone mind making that change? And if false, perhaps add a note or explanation in that entry? Thank you!
peatswift ( talk) 15:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I can find no discernible difference between the initiative case and the egressive case, and I do not understand why they need to be listed separately. On further review of the page for the initiative case, there are no citations for it, and the page is listed as having "multiple issues." I also couldn't find any external resources on it at all. help??????
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What if we made a sublist with the cases that only occur in Finno-Ugric languages?
Perhaps we should make the "example languages" more comprehensive and include all known languages that distinguish that particular case. Kwertii 16:16, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I included references from Panu Mäkinen at the University of Jyväskylä for a couple of Finnish cases. By the way, at which point (especially in Finnish) can you tell, if a grammatical construction is a case? On the websites I took as references, there are many examples of Finnish words in the mentioned cases, if somebody has got problems to find such. However, references from this source could still be added for these Finnish cases: Nominative, Genitive, Accussative, Essive 193.185.137.35 ( talk) 01:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I renamed this article "List of language cases" because "List of cases" is not specific enough. For example, "List of cases" could refer to legal cases. Kingturtle 22:02, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
Concerning the "dedative case" - is there such a thing? What is the point of having a case with no example languages given? Vice 11:53, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The postpositional case and oblique case are the same - and usually referred to only as the oblique case Bish
Is there really a point to mark constructed languages as such? I see no point in distinguishing them apart except to belittle their existance as languages. (Yes, I speak a constructed language, and yes, I am offended.) D. Wo. 08:17, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
Don't you think we need a working definition for a case before we begin to list them? -- Djacobs 18:54, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Is it accurate to list English with a possessive case? While the "'s/Ø'" morpheme certainly began as an inflection in Old English, and English remains just barely, by the skin of its teeth an inflectional language, and you can see its inflectional parallel in Modern German today (though German's genitive equivalent is dying out in the vernacular), at this point "'s/Ø'" has transformed into a clitic, having neither the quality of an agglutination, nor really of its inflectional origins. Besides undergoing context-dependent sound changes between voicing and devoicing, it doesn't adapt to the word it's suffixed to at all. All nouns take it, without discrimination (yielding weird examples where a plural noun is taking a normally singular possessive clitic, like "the children's"). It's far more similar to the "-ing," "-'ve," "-'d," phenomenon of verb contractions, less contractions than clitics themselves, than true inflectional relics like "oxen" or the oblique declensions of the personal pronouns.
Given that, is it appropriate to list the possessive as a case of the English language? Or if so, should it be noted at the top that these cases include examples of clitics, not just inflection? That broadening would bring a lot more languages into play for examples of grammatical cases. Japanese, for example, fits the inflectional requiremnt, and would fill into locative, nominative, accusative, possessive, instrumental, and dozens of other cases, perhaps rivaling Hungarian's fetish for them.
Finnish seems to have this case as well-- this should be edited in. Some examples:
päivisin 'dayly', maanantaisin 'on each monday', tuntisin 'hourly', öisin 'nightly', etc. Pretty productive. -- Alcarilinque 23:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I always understood Arabic to have three cases: nominative -u(n), accusative -a(n) and genitive -i(n). These do not require prepositions. The vocative form uses the preposition يا yā with either the nominative case (without nunation) or the construct state form of the noun. I doubt this would truly be classified as a case, or else there would be many more cases, such as inessive (في fī "inside" + genitive), which is much more of a typical Finno-Ugric case than a Semitic one. LudwigVan 01:49, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What is to be done with non-productive cases? Dutch genitive case is really only used in archaic phrases, and is no longer productive. I guess the answer depends on the purpose of this list. If the intent is to list all cases in all languages, then we could include things like Dutch genitive (perhaps with a note). However, then the list is far from complete. If we just want a few good examples for each case, then Dutch genitive is a really bad choice. Thoughts? Junes 21:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Where did these come from? I don't find any hits for them on Google except for this page. Do they occur in non-constructed languages?
What is Arrocon? A conlang?
Regarding the definitions of the terms, I would think that, if such cases exist, esquertive would be "on the left of" and derechative "on the right of," based on the obvious similarity of the names with Spanish (a la) izquierda (esquerda in Portuguese) "left" and (a la) derecha "right". Correct me if I'm wrong.
Except for maybe the partitive, the current table List_of_grammatical_cases#Semantics is very disputable. The prepositional case should be in the "Morphosyntactic alignment" table, and the vocative could go either there or in "Relation". I have already removed "Disjunctive" because that isn't even a case (and the article has been accordingly renamed and rewritten and recategorized). CapnPrep 17:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Is locative really to be considedred as one of the Latin cases? As far as I know about Latin there are/were only traces of locative manifesting themselves in (sporadic?) use of the genitive of geographical names to denote location in. 85.8.0.197 00:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC) It isn't 'sporadic', and is productive. If you name a new city, you can still produce locative forms to refer to it. While most forms are identical with the genitive, not all are. A case falling into disuse is still a case. 134.84.238.161 ( talk) 16:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
The "prolative", "temporal" etc. aren't real cases in Finnish because they don't agree with adjectives. Removed. Muhaha 20:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There is an Arabic case that is only used with place-nouns (e.g. in front, behind, above, beneath). The declensions are the same of the acusative case.
e.g. the word amaam أمام means "front." When it is declined in the construct accusative case amaama it will mean "in front of" or "at the front of."
This is just exactly like the described 'temporal case,' but it is for place-nouns instead of time-nouns.
and what makes the temporal case different from the accusative?
If you can't see the difference then don't worry about it.
The accusative is the case of "objects" of the other words, especially verbs. The case I'm talking about is an "adverbial" case used for adverbs not for objects. In Arabic grammar it is called ظرف مكان "condition of place," like how the nouns in temporal case are called ظرف زمان"condition of time."
If you mean that the declensions are the same for the two, then, well, I have seen cases overlap in your list (like Arabic mentioned to have both genitive and prepositional cases, although both cases have exactly the same declensions). HD1986 ( talk) 10:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. I suggest fixing the thing about Arabic. Arabic has only three cases, the nominative الرفع, the accusative النصب , and the genitive الجرّ (although the last two may be used for quiet different things).
The list does not indicate the Arabic cases correctly. HD1986 ( talk) 12:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The ablative case is listed twice, under 'Motion from' and 'Relation'. They link to the same page, but they don't seem to be the same thing. Why? Xerxes b ( talk) 18:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
When trying to put under Allative case, that Sumerian contains an allative case, I messed up the page a little, and would like to know how to fix it. I didn't edit charts on here before and have been offline for a while. Sorry.
Thanks, Abdishtar ( talk) 00:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
The article lists 6 cases for Portuguese: accusative, benefactive, comitative, dative, distributive-temporal and genitive. All of these are recent additions to the text. I could imagine some rudiments of old inflections or newborn case-like derivational suffixes on enclitics, e.g. in the pronouns, but claiming that they are cases in the present Portuguese language seems strange. Could somebody please confirm this and provide sound references. -- Surfo ( talk) 16:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Are there any languages that mark the argument of an intransitive verb or the agent of an intransitive verb which does not (necessarily?) imply an object differently from the agent of a transitive verb that implies an object? Or, rather, that mark the argument of a mediopassive verb differently from the agent of an intransitive verb?
For example, in the sentence "John runs", the word "run" could be interpreted as either intransitive or mediopassive depending upon interpretation. If the transitive form is interpreted as being primarily causative ("John ran his dogs ten miles") then the intransitive form implies an unstated object and the subject is an agent, not just an argument. Otherwise, the verb can be thought of as not a "pure" intransitive verb, but a mediopassive one, and "John" is simply the argument, but not necessarily an agent.
Is there a name for a case which marks an argument of a "mediopassive" intransitive verb differently from agents of transitive/intransitive verbs? This would seem a very logical way to mark cases (or to leave unmarked and contrast with other, marked cases) and such a system could easily have been the basis for nominative-accusative, ergative-absolutive, and active-stative systems. -- Þorstejnn ( talk) 23:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't think this is correct - I can neither find reference nor any mention in the articles about those cases to German. Also, German grammar specifies 4 cases, and even in older germanic grammar, those cases aren't found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.248.172.82 ( talk) 12:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Privative is listed in the "relation" section, and abessive is listed in the "state" section, both described as the lack of something. The link privative case redirects to abessive case. I'm not too knowledgeable about grammatical cases, but are these the exact same thing? Should their entries not be merged, or at least moved to the same section?
Justin Kunimune ( talk) 19:09, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
In this list, the item 'Serbo-Croatian' is referred to at one occasion, while both 'Serbian' and 'Croatian' at another. Is there consensus on how to refer to it? Adamchess7347 ( talk) 09:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
If the objective case is used for indirect objects as well as direct objects, it seems to me like 'book' should be in boldface as well as 'her'. If true, would someone mind making that change? And if false, perhaps add a note or explanation in that entry? Thank you!
peatswift ( talk) 15:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I can find no discernible difference between the initiative case and the egressive case, and I do not understand why they need to be listed separately. On further review of the page for the initiative case, there are no citations for it, and the page is listed as having "multiple issues." I also couldn't find any external resources on it at all. help??????