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During the 1836 to 1846 Mexico was not a federal republic was central republic with providence and not states. California was territory under the Mexican Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MGTZM ( talk • contribs) 17:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
The August 12, 2014 edits by user 204.130.172.16 are disputed, so I'm placing a tag on the article until these questions are resolved. All of the changes in that edit are disputed and, one way or the other, sources need to be provided. WCCasey ( talk) 19:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Also disputed is the section "Republic 1846-1850". The Bear Flag Revolt lasted less than a month and did not establish any kind of government before it was subsumed by the 1846-48 Mexican-American War. California was under US military occupation during the war, and remained under nominal military authority until statehood. WCCasey ( talk) 05:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that the disputed information now bear citations.
Here is some more information. Gov. Alvarado and the Assembly did declare California "free and sovereign," legislate a Californian flag, and ratify a republican Constitution. They also chased the Mexican military out of the country, but then let them back in went they felt California could not defend itself by itself. Like Quebec in the 20th century, California used the threat of secession and also its great distance from Mexico to secure self-rule while tolerating military sponsorship. When the opportunity arose, California realigned itself with the US without complaining when a few Americans boasted of conquest. If the period after 1836 was one of de facto independence under Mexican military dominance, the period after 1846 was similar, but under American military dominance. Thus, in that period California was independent of Mexico, but neither a US Territory or State. What was it? A republic under American military occupation.
The problem is that although Bancroft's team assembled a massive bibliographic enterprise on California history, a proper work on state history has never been done. Modern histories do no better, so the important questions of California history must be answered by consulting various published titles and cobbling it all together. Wyeson 00:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
The sections "Sovereignty, 1836–1846" and "Republic, 1846–1850" remain almost entirely false. There was no "sovereignty" - there was a short-lived rebellion. There was no "republic" - there was a US military governor. WCCasey ( talk) 19:02, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The myth that there was an independent Alta California following Alvarado's 1836 rebellion has been perpetuated mainly by one editor, User talk:Wighson. Editors concerned with accurate history should join me in urging Wighson to stop these distortions. WCCasey ( talk) 20:32, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
The "independent California" editors have been busy again. "Neutrality disputed" tag added. WCCasey ( talk) 17:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Attempts to reintroduce the previous false narratives will be reverted. WCCasey ( talk) 07:13, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
België u Is coeupr mijn vader was dokter in de scheikunde ik heb veel gezien top maar dit kan niet omzeterij triljarden zijn verdwenen ik kàgeen talen ik heb een ongeval gehad dat ik 7 was sorry maar ben ok van geest dank u 178.51.78.180 ( talk) 11:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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During the 1836 to 1846 Mexico was not a federal republic was central republic with providence and not states. California was territory under the Mexican Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MGTZM ( talk • contribs) 17:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
The August 12, 2014 edits by user 204.130.172.16 are disputed, so I'm placing a tag on the article until these questions are resolved. All of the changes in that edit are disputed and, one way or the other, sources need to be provided. WCCasey ( talk) 19:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Also disputed is the section "Republic 1846-1850". The Bear Flag Revolt lasted less than a month and did not establish any kind of government before it was subsumed by the 1846-48 Mexican-American War. California was under US military occupation during the war, and remained under nominal military authority until statehood. WCCasey ( talk) 05:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that the disputed information now bear citations.
Here is some more information. Gov. Alvarado and the Assembly did declare California "free and sovereign," legislate a Californian flag, and ratify a republican Constitution. They also chased the Mexican military out of the country, but then let them back in went they felt California could not defend itself by itself. Like Quebec in the 20th century, California used the threat of secession and also its great distance from Mexico to secure self-rule while tolerating military sponsorship. When the opportunity arose, California realigned itself with the US without complaining when a few Americans boasted of conquest. If the period after 1836 was one of de facto independence under Mexican military dominance, the period after 1846 was similar, but under American military dominance. Thus, in that period California was independent of Mexico, but neither a US Territory or State. What was it? A republic under American military occupation.
The problem is that although Bancroft's team assembled a massive bibliographic enterprise on California history, a proper work on state history has never been done. Modern histories do no better, so the important questions of California history must be answered by consulting various published titles and cobbling it all together. Wyeson 00:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
The sections "Sovereignty, 1836–1846" and "Republic, 1846–1850" remain almost entirely false. There was no "sovereignty" - there was a short-lived rebellion. There was no "republic" - there was a US military governor. WCCasey ( talk) 19:02, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
The myth that there was an independent Alta California following Alvarado's 1836 rebellion has been perpetuated mainly by one editor, User talk:Wighson. Editors concerned with accurate history should join me in urging Wighson to stop these distortions. WCCasey ( talk) 20:32, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
The "independent California" editors have been busy again. "Neutrality disputed" tag added. WCCasey ( talk) 17:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Attempts to reintroduce the previous false narratives will be reverted. WCCasey ( talk) 07:13, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
België u Is coeupr mijn vader was dokter in de scheikunde ik heb veel gezien top maar dit kan niet omzeterij triljarden zijn verdwenen ik kàgeen talen ik heb een ongeval gehad dat ik 7 was sorry maar ben ok van geest dank u 178.51.78.180 ( talk) 11:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)