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Stop adding these bands they have nothing to do with Gothic Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.239.143 ( talk) 13:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Maybe there is some that say they are gothic but if there is some that say they aren't you shouldn't list them here. At least make a part like "Related acts", "Bands marked by debate", "Controversial acts" etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.239.143 ( talk) 13:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showreview.php?id=6252&lang=en http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showreview.php?id=8201&lang=en http://www.rockdetector.com/artist/holland/stream+of+passion http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/band.php?band_id=687&bandname=Stream%2BOf%2BPassion http://www.rockeyez.com/reviews/cd/stream/rev-embracethestorm.html http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/cdreviews_display.cfm?id=102029 http://www.blistering.com/fastpage/fpengine.php/link/1/templateid/10425/tempidx/4/menuid/2 http://progressiveworld.net/streamofpassion.html http://www.rockislife.com/reviews/embracethestorm.htm
You know one site does not a source make. That's also true when said source is more a tabloed. 8 sites to one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.211.86 ( talk) 20:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
In other words what you are saying is you're right and ever one else is wrong. Sorry about you have gone on record as saying it does not matter what the band member or record lable says. You can't keep rewriting how this is edited. You can't have it one way and not another. You have even said band web sites are not sorces. You have said all of that in more. So either say what you mean or mean what you say. In other words if band members, and record lables, and band web sites are not good sorces don't tell other people not to use them only for you to go in use them. You are using one set of rules for yourself and another set of rules for ever one else. This is not Bardin's wikipedia you don't own the site. Other people have pointed that out to you and called you on it. Either go by the same rules as ever one else or just don't edit at wikipedia any more.
I don't know what it is with you but you don't seem to like to work with any one or let any one else work on any page. You try to kill any and all debate on topics, etc, etc. That's not how this site works. It's for ever one to come together to work on it. Not just you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.211.86 ( talk) 20:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
It is to the same thing. You're using the double standered again. It can't be both ways. If there is a set of rule to be that ever one has to go by then they can't keep changing ever time you can't tell one person not to use interviews and then use them your self. You can't say a bands web site is not a good source and then use the website. It's either no one can or ever one can. I have read agruments you have had here with many different people who have pointed this out to you. It would be helpful if you took what they said and perhaps appel it and hear what other people are saying. You are not even willing to hear any one else out. It would really help ever one if would start working with ever one and not against them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.211.86 ( talk) 21:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Here's a source that could be included, this is a video where Tuomas is explictely claiming that Nightwish is not a gothic metal band.
I think I already mentioned this one before, but I didn't have the references by the time, so I couldn't use it. Now I got the references.
This video is a small excerpt from an interview to the brazilian program "Almanaque" of "Globo News". It was on air on 12-23-2004. Nightwish was on tour in Brazil at that time. The full interview can be seen this link:
I think it could be added to the sources now. Of course, I'm not asking to remove other sources claiming they are gothic.I just think this one could be included too, that's it. Just like the one Bardin already put before. Any comment or objection before I insert it? Fred D.Hunter ( talk) 09:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
This article is horrifically sourced. I need to come back when I've got a minute and remove every single source that is a webzine. All the "Lords of Metal" ones for instance need to go immediately. I can see the list becoming somewhat smaller fairly soon. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 12:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
When did this happen? From ever thing I know they play Melodic Death metal. So why are they on the list as Gothic Metal? -- Epica124 ( talk) 14:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
a record labe is not a source. What reviews are there that say this band is gothic metal? -- Epica124 ( talk) 13:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Danzig (the band) were largely pioneers in this area of music and are largely accepted by many as a Gothic Metal band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Danzig_%28band%29#Genre_2
108.223.14.211 ( talk) 19:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)James Lopez
Please accept my apologies for the word I am about to use but this article is nothing more but crap. You can't just label bands like Evanescence, Nightwish and Arch Enemy as gothic metal and then say that you promote 'verifiability' instead of 'truth'. Why should anyone even read the article if it contains false information? And you have done the same thing to Dark Metal by labelling bands like Slayer or Megadeth that way.
It is true that Wikipedia is useful if you want information about the history of a certain genre but it is not a reliable source if someone ever wants to find bands that really belong to that category.
Real goth metal bands are here : Gothic metal bands at Encyclopaedia Metallum : The Metal Archives. Lich Coldheart ( talk) 6:27 PM, 23 December 2014. — Preceding undated comment added 16:30, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
As I have already highlighted, you keep adding sourced false information instead of true information. May you be happy with it. Lich Coldheart ( talk) 3:22 PM, 26 December 2014
There have been a few edits referring to the source of MusicMight here. According to their About Us page, "Want to add information to this database? Just register - it's simple! You can add as much or as little information as you'd like". Per WP:USERGENERATED, " This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database (IMDB), CBDB.com, content farms, collaboratively created websites such as wikis, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users.". This site seems to follow this rule. I don't think it should be included as a source for this or any article. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 18:27, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm resurrecting this thread: Many of the MusicMight entries are by Garry Sharpe-Young (username Taniwha), who created the site and is a published author. Profiles attributed to him should be reliable. I thought the consensus with Blabbermouth was that it can be okay to cite news posts as long as they aren't used to make BLP statements.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC) @ Blackmetalbaz: I got into the practice of citing Music Might because I saw that you have done so. Do you want to comment on this and lend some clarity to this discussion?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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Stop adding these bands they have nothing to do with Gothic Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.239.143 ( talk) 13:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Maybe there is some that say they are gothic but if there is some that say they aren't you shouldn't list them here. At least make a part like "Related acts", "Bands marked by debate", "Controversial acts" etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.239.143 ( talk) 13:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showreview.php?id=6252&lang=en http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showreview.php?id=8201&lang=en http://www.rockdetector.com/artist/holland/stream+of+passion http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/band.php?band_id=687&bandname=Stream%2BOf%2BPassion http://www.rockeyez.com/reviews/cd/stream/rev-embracethestorm.html http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/cdreviews_display.cfm?id=102029 http://www.blistering.com/fastpage/fpengine.php/link/1/templateid/10425/tempidx/4/menuid/2 http://progressiveworld.net/streamofpassion.html http://www.rockislife.com/reviews/embracethestorm.htm
You know one site does not a source make. That's also true when said source is more a tabloed. 8 sites to one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.211.86 ( talk) 20:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
In other words what you are saying is you're right and ever one else is wrong. Sorry about you have gone on record as saying it does not matter what the band member or record lable says. You can't keep rewriting how this is edited. You can't have it one way and not another. You have even said band web sites are not sorces. You have said all of that in more. So either say what you mean or mean what you say. In other words if band members, and record lables, and band web sites are not good sorces don't tell other people not to use them only for you to go in use them. You are using one set of rules for yourself and another set of rules for ever one else. This is not Bardin's wikipedia you don't own the site. Other people have pointed that out to you and called you on it. Either go by the same rules as ever one else or just don't edit at wikipedia any more.
I don't know what it is with you but you don't seem to like to work with any one or let any one else work on any page. You try to kill any and all debate on topics, etc, etc. That's not how this site works. It's for ever one to come together to work on it. Not just you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.211.86 ( talk) 20:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
It is to the same thing. You're using the double standered again. It can't be both ways. If there is a set of rule to be that ever one has to go by then they can't keep changing ever time you can't tell one person not to use interviews and then use them your self. You can't say a bands web site is not a good source and then use the website. It's either no one can or ever one can. I have read agruments you have had here with many different people who have pointed this out to you. It would be helpful if you took what they said and perhaps appel it and hear what other people are saying. You are not even willing to hear any one else out. It would really help ever one if would start working with ever one and not against them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.211.86 ( talk) 21:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Here's a source that could be included, this is a video where Tuomas is explictely claiming that Nightwish is not a gothic metal band.
I think I already mentioned this one before, but I didn't have the references by the time, so I couldn't use it. Now I got the references.
This video is a small excerpt from an interview to the brazilian program "Almanaque" of "Globo News". It was on air on 12-23-2004. Nightwish was on tour in Brazil at that time. The full interview can be seen this link:
I think it could be added to the sources now. Of course, I'm not asking to remove other sources claiming they are gothic.I just think this one could be included too, that's it. Just like the one Bardin already put before. Any comment or objection before I insert it? Fred D.Hunter ( talk) 09:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
This article is horrifically sourced. I need to come back when I've got a minute and remove every single source that is a webzine. All the "Lords of Metal" ones for instance need to go immediately. I can see the list becoming somewhat smaller fairly soon. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 12:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
When did this happen? From ever thing I know they play Melodic Death metal. So why are they on the list as Gothic Metal? -- Epica124 ( talk) 14:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
a record labe is not a source. What reviews are there that say this band is gothic metal? -- Epica124 ( talk) 13:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Danzig (the band) were largely pioneers in this area of music and are largely accepted by many as a Gothic Metal band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Danzig_%28band%29#Genre_2
108.223.14.211 ( talk) 19:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)James Lopez
Please accept my apologies for the word I am about to use but this article is nothing more but crap. You can't just label bands like Evanescence, Nightwish and Arch Enemy as gothic metal and then say that you promote 'verifiability' instead of 'truth'. Why should anyone even read the article if it contains false information? And you have done the same thing to Dark Metal by labelling bands like Slayer or Megadeth that way.
It is true that Wikipedia is useful if you want information about the history of a certain genre but it is not a reliable source if someone ever wants to find bands that really belong to that category.
Real goth metal bands are here : Gothic metal bands at Encyclopaedia Metallum : The Metal Archives. Lich Coldheart ( talk) 6:27 PM, 23 December 2014. — Preceding undated comment added 16:30, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
As I have already highlighted, you keep adding sourced false information instead of true information. May you be happy with it. Lich Coldheart ( talk) 3:22 PM, 26 December 2014
There have been a few edits referring to the source of MusicMight here. According to their About Us page, "Want to add information to this database? Just register - it's simple! You can add as much or as little information as you'd like". Per WP:USERGENERATED, " This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database (IMDB), CBDB.com, content farms, collaboratively created websites such as wikis, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users.". This site seems to follow this rule. I don't think it should be included as a source for this or any article. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 18:27, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm resurrecting this thread: Many of the MusicMight entries are by Garry Sharpe-Young (username Taniwha), who created the site and is a published author. Profiles attributed to him should be reliable. I thought the consensus with Blabbermouth was that it can be okay to cite news posts as long as they aren't used to make BLP statements.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC) @ Blackmetalbaz: I got into the practice of citing Music Might because I saw that you have done so. Do you want to comment on this and lend some clarity to this discussion?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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