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After directing the masterpiece known as Life is Beautiful, winning 3 Academy Awards, Roberto Benigni went on to direct an adaptation of the classic tale, Pinocchio. And, by god, is it awful. After watching it today, in a class, I wasn't surprised to see it with a 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, or being nominated for multiple Razzie awards. I implore you, put this travesty on the list - the acting, CGI, soundtrack, script and everything speck of scum in between is cringe-worthy garbage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.147.207.225 ( talk) 09:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
On Rotten Tomatoes: The New York Times thought it was that awful, that it 'enters the pantheon of wreckage that includes Battlefield Earth and Showgirls'. Entertainment Weekly gave it an 'F' rating. 1/5 from Toronto Star. NO scores above 1.5/5, or 1.5/4. Metacritic score of 11.
So, uh, yeah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.165.253 ( talk) 10:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
The Cannonball Run II has to be one of the worst films ever, certainly the worst one I've ever seen. Although "Bolero" grabbed the Razzie for 1984, this piece of trash did manage EIGHT nominations that year.
Also, Roger Ebert gave it one of the most scathing reviews that I can recall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_II#cite_ref-2
Regards,
Andy. — Preceding
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is Mystery Science Theater considered a reputable source? -- 2601:C:4380:50:CC66:42C7:BCF8:CA4B ( talk) 17:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Due to recent IP vandalism, past protection, and the risk of further attacks, I am semi-protecting this article for 10 days. Bearian ( talk) 20:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Every indication is that the vast majority of critics hated this. However, we do not have reliable sources directly calling this "the worst". Of all the material quoted, the only things we have that are close are as follows:
Comments before I remove? - SummerPhD ( talk) 16:28, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
While I still believe we are reaching here to include a recent film that included lots of names, the current consensus will probably hold. We need to add the most explicit refs we do have (such as they are). Additionally, the repeatedly added "universally panned" claim (here and in the movie's article) is incorrect as a 4% at rottentomatoes indicates that someone, somewhere (whomever they may be) had something positive to say. I'd tend to say "very widely panned", but that's probably a bit weaselly. - SummerPhD ( talk) 01:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
It got a 0% rating by Rotten Tomatoes, and is said to be one of the most panned movies of all time. -- TytheRezac ( talk) 22:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I think the new Nicolas Refn movie deserves a mention in this article. The film has some supporters, but it's detractors have openly claimed it as one of the worst ever made. Take this nugget from Rex Reed: "Gruesomely grotesque and pathologically pretentious, a diabolical horror called Only God Forgives may not be the worst movie ever made, but it is unquestionably in the top five." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.244.10 ( talk) 16:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
No-one has talked about this film yet because...well, this film has never been released outside of the UK.
This film only grossed £205 in British box-offices, which has considered to be the biggest British box-office bomb in history. - http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/danny-dyers-film-pimp-bombs-at-cinema-big-style.252690/
On Rotten Tomatoes, the film scored a 0% based on 13 reviews, which is the lowest score any film has ever scored on the site. - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pimp_2010/
Mark Kermode panned the film during his BBC Radio 5 Live film review programme with Simon Mayo, - http://www.containsmoderateperil.com/mark-kermode-reviews-pimp-2010/ which he later placed it at No. 3 in his Top 5 Worst Films of 2010. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29HFdTq5Vg
Cath Clarke from The Guardian gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "This really is snoringly predictable and Cavanah nonsensically presents it as footage filmed by a documentary team: a real doco unit would have scarpered to the nearest cop shop after witnessing five seconds of beatings and torture. With nil insight – into the sex industry or anything else – you might conclude Pimp is a film for men who get their kicks watching Dyer strut around leering at topless women who – in the parlance of the film – look like "the basic pleasure model". One for Zoo readers, then." - http://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/may/20/pimp-film-review
Anthony Quinn from The Independent also gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "The plot, concerning the identity of a snuff-movie killer, is a gruesome mixture of sexual sadism and sentimentality, made even less palatable by dialogue of quarter-witted aggression." - http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/pimp-18-1978582.html
Tim Robey from The Telegraph gave the film 0 out of 5 stars, citing "Even by the gutter standards of Britsploitation flicks featuring Danny Dyer, this Soho sex-industry mockumentary is soul-flayingly horrendous. One line is a keeper: “No one gets snuffed on my watch." - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/7749457/Pimp-review.html
Time Out gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "With its excessive levels of casual racism, sexism and homophobia, the film feels like nothing more than a rejected ‘Derek and Clive’ sketch that’s been stripped of eloquence and irony and calibrated instead for cheap, leery laughs. The attempts, too, at a faux-documentary style are badly botched, partly because the cast is visibly trying too hard to act naturally but mainly because of a script that’s little more than a contrived patchwork of clichés, spurious historical quotations and so much swearing." - http://www.timeout.com/london/film/pimp-2010
Ellen E Jones from TotalFilm.com also gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "If there’s one thing more heinous than glamourising sex slavery, it’s attempting to glamorise sex slavery and making a drab mockumentary instead. You wouldn’t think a film could actually be both very boring and very offensive. Pimp is that paradox made flesh." - http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cinema/pimp-1
And it was placed No. 13 in Virgin Media's Worst Movies of 2010, citing "A mock-doc that couldn’t feel more phony if the cast were Muppets, it's a total mess – not even so bad it's good like some of Dyer's more agreeable efforts. Sort it aaht, son!" - http://www.virginmedia.com/movies/features/worst-movies-of-2010.php?page=8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.39.35 ( talk) 01:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Hope all these references have helped to put this in a place for films considered the worst. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.39.35 ( talk)
LM2000 informed me that The Last Airbender was discussed on the article this talk page is about, and said things about sources that actually say it's one of the worst movies ever. The following are those sources:
Nevertheless, LM2000 replied to me with a message that has a specific portion I want to mention:
"A few of those sources look like ones that have been discussed before and we've taken issue with it. It's worth a discussion amongst the rest of the community to see if they agree with you though."
So, my fellow Wikipedians, let the discussion begin. It's offended fans, moviegoers, critics, yet is The Last Airbender truly one of the worst movies of all time? -- Matthew ( talk) 00:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Roger Ebert said this, though: "'The Last Airbender' is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented." That's pretty bad. But okay. -- Matthew ( talk) 22:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Rotten Tomatoes: 20/10 Metacritic: 31/100
How is a movie that makes light of child sex abuse and incest not one of the worst movies ever made?
Oct13 ( talk) 09:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
We're lacking a number of films from the 70s, as well as non-US films. I've been doing some digging the past few days and have already added two films to the list which I think have very solid sources. Here's two that I'm not so sure about though.
Zaat (1971)
Daniel - Der Zauberer (2004)
This one gets put on the list frequently and then gets taken down. I actually removed it from the list last month because it didn't have any source calling it the worst. I didn't find a whole lot of sources for this, but maybe I found the bare minimum.
Thoughts on either film? LM2000 ( talk) 09:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
inAPPropriate Comedy has been trashed by several reviewers and critic sites, including the 0% on Rotten Tomatoes and the 1/100 rating on Metacritic. It was called worse than Movie 43. Hollywood Reporter Does that kind of "acclaim" get this movie a spot on this list?
Pain and Gain is Micheal Bay's attempt at making a thriller/horror/heist slasher, and has been reviled by most respected critics, though it has still managed a 49% on rotten tomatoes. Filled with random camera angles, and lines like "You know why Rabbit rhymes with Habit? Because it takes your whole life down a fucking bunny hole.", this "film" is a horrible bastardization of the truth despite Bay's repeated mentions that it is a "true story". He even went as far as to stage mugshots for the final 'where are they now' slides to create a character for Dwayne Johnson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.11.173 ( talk • contribs)
i didn't think it was that bad, but for years i've been hearing critics (and late-night comics) cite this as the worst of the worst. how can it not make the cut here?! 209.172.25.244 ( talk) 09:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree completely that this is more than enough, but be aware there is a history of REMOVING this film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AList_of_films_considered_the_worst/Removed_films#I
I dunno how that guy can say it doesn't have the notoriety of other entries. IMHO it has notoriety above and BEYOND most of the other entries here!
If the list were limited to "Top 5 Considered Worst", it would still make the cut, IMHO. I, for one, grew up hearing it was #1 or #2 in this regard. I believe it was the go-to title for Leno and Letterman all those years...at least up until Gigli came along. 209.172.25.243 ( talk) 04:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
While this is definitely a terrible movie, I don't think it should be included in this list. I believe past discussion has indicated the "Fifty Worst Movies" documentary by itself isn't enough for inclusion, and none of the other quotes really describe it as one of the worst movies ever. The Lisanti quote "by far the worst of the sixties beach films" is close, but I think we'd need more than that, and the other quotes just describe it as a very bad movie. (In fact, the NY Times film review quote actually points out a redeeming quality.) I think this is one of those movies that are terrible, but not terrible enough or well-known enough to be considered one of the worst. But I wanted to allow for any discussion here though before I remove it. Thoughts? — Hun ter Ka hn 13:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
At this point I think it has enough for inclusion. Some of us are apprehensive of films which have no individual assessments calling it "the worst" and only have lists, books, polls, etc. which are iffy because they feature a large number of films. The same time this discussion happened, Che! (1969) was reverted three times by three different because it only had two book sources without any actual quotes calling it "the worst". However I think we've met those concerns with this film. We've got it compared to Ed Wood, we've got it being called the worst beach film, we've got some harsh reviews in there, and we've got two worst-ever lists from books. I think that's enough for me. LM2000 ( talk) 19:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I believe me and several other users went through this a long time ago: Howard the Duck is not credible for this list. We had it removed, but now it is back. While it is definitely a negatively reviewed film, there are no specific sources that cite it as being "one of the worst movies ever made". Winning Worst Picture at the Razzies doesn't count either. There needs to be a source that specifically says "one of the worst movies ever made". The Shadow-Fighter ( talk) 23:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I put them in either way. If you still don't think it's adequate let me know and I'll do some more searching. LM2000 ( talk) 01:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I think the British "comedy" Sex Lives of the Potato Men should be on the list. When it was released, James Christopher of The Times described SLotPM as ""one of the two most nauseous films ever made" as well "a masterclass in film-making ineptitude", while writer Will Self described the same film in The Evening Standard as "mirthless, worthless, toothless, useless". [24] Catherine Shoard, in the Sunday Telegraph said about SLotPM: "It’s hard to know what to say to this - it’s like finding the right words at a nasty accident... Less a film than an appetite suppressant. " and Gary Panton in " Movie Gazette stated "About as funny as being stabbed repeatedly in the face with a bread knife... How on earth Humphries managed to convince such an impressive cast to take part in his truly awful film should go down as one of the biggest mysteries in Brit flick history". [25] 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 14:10, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
SLotPM also has a "0%" at Rotten Tomatoes with 10 negative reviews: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the-sex-lives-of-the-potato-men/reviews/. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 00:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Several reviews of SLotPM described it as being one of the worst films; Kevin O'Sullivan in the Daily Mirror, March 5th 2004 called it "one of the worst films ever made". Catherine Shoard in the Telegraph review of "SLotPM" (February 22 2004) said it was "Probably the lewdest Brit-com since " Confessions of a Window Cleaner", and certainly the worst". Henry Fitzherbert in the Sunday Express, (February 22nd 2004) said ""Sex Lives is so awful it left me slack-jawed in disbelief...it must be one of the worst British comedies." So I believe it meets the criteria to be on the list. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I'm removing several unsourced claims on this page comparing numerous films to Rocky Horror and stating that they are 'cult' films. Only the ones that have no citation for this claim, though. It's something of a pet peeve for me, because it's such a wooly claim, as it explains in no way why any of the films are like Rocky Horror (are they musicals? Do people dress up in costume to watch them) or what defines them as a cult film. If anyone's unhappy with any of the edits, I want to be able to discuss it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justin.Parallax ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I just don't think this fits in with the rest. It seems to only be here because of Ebert's harsh review, and perhaps an in-storyline quote from the actual movie which compared the movie-inside-a-movie to Showgirls. This was clearly a contender for worst movie of 1998 but I can't find anything that calls it the worst ever made. In the archive I've seen this source use to justify it's inclusion but the "going down as one of the worst movies in Hollywood history" line actually referred to Eszterhas' other project, Showgirls, not this film. Any thoughts before I remove? LM2000 ( talk) 22:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
WHy isn't it listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.210.175 ( talk) 03:06, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
It seems as if this movie does not seem to fit in with the rest. Roger Ebert's review of this movie may have gotten 0 stars, but there is no reputable evidence in that review that clearly states it's one of the worst of all time. Second, there is only one link for the statement "It is often considered one of the worst movies ever made", and somehow, that link is broken. In addition, I don't believe EW's "25 Worst Sequels Ever Made" list is a very reputable source, either. Some of those films on the list are actually pretty good (such as The Matrix: Reloaded at #25), while others (such as Leprechaun: Back 2 Tha Hood! at #3) were direct-to-DVD, so there was not much attention to those films by critics.
If anyone here finds any sources besides the ones in the article that you think are truly reputable, feel free to tell. Otherwise, I request that this section be taken down due to a lack of reputable sources that say this is one of the worst ever made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 20:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of films considered the worst's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "TV Guide":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Ebert hated the movie. Ok, I get his point. But that's ONE guy, Siskel agreed with him, so 2. They collectively thumbed down hundreds of movies. However, I Spit is not a consensus worst movie. Look for it on Rotten Tomatoes and see that it is relatively fresh- 17 of 31, or 55%, of critics gave good notices. True Plan 9 has a higher percentage, but that's clearly a "so bad it's good" effect. I Spit...'s percentage actually reflects reviewers' opinion of it's artistic merit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.35.169 ( talk) 17:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
So it seems I can't rescue the movie at this point. I would research critical response to it if there was potential use to it; for argument sake, if a few critics of higher profile than Fangoria magazine wrote somewhat well of it, would it matter, or is it's inclusion cemented due to Ebert's strong opinion? I know that at least some genre buffs, some who review films, consider it good for what it is (almost no one says that of Jack and Jill or Movie 43), and think a case to support that notion could be made from neutral to favorable reviews, especially if I could find mainstream examples... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.35.169 ( talk) 01:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
OK thanks. I think the added blurb strikes the balance between the discrete critical loathing typified by Ebert, and avoiding the false impression that almost all critics consider this a "worst film" candidate, as they do in the case of 2 recent films I mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.35.169 ( talk) 03:46, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello wikipedia users for "movies considered the worst." I know you have high expectations for worst movies ever but I just wanted to confirm to you that M Night Shyamalan the movie director is notable for making worst movies ever. They even called him the next Ed Wood. I feel very sorry for his movie carrier and that he messed up "The Last Airbender" very badly. In fact M. Night Shyamalans fans want to send him back to directing school.
Anyways I wanted to point out that he went from making popular horror thriller movies like "The Sixth Sense", "The Village" and "Signs". To making what both critics and movie audiences consider the worst movies like "Lady in the Water", "The Last Airbender", and "After Earth".
Anyways I do know that M. Night Shyamalans movie "The Last Airbender" 2010 made alot of people both movie critics and fans of The Last Airbender cartoon fans very angry, insulted, and they called it a waste of their time, and said there wasn't any fun, laughter, not much lines, the movie very rushed, called his special effects the worst ever. Even the story's wooden and too serious and the casting controversy awful, the mispronouncing Aangs name to Anng, the slang term bender insulting to British people.
I even have family members and my friends that were very angry, upset, insulted and they called it a waste of time and said that M. Night Shyamalan shouldn't have made the live action version and they have forgotten about the movie ever since. I was disappointed that he completely changed the movie. The only funny thing I found about the movie was the bloopers of "The Last Airbender" but the movie itself is slow paced and forgettable.
Also as you know "The Last Airbender won many razzie awards of 2011. After that movie another movie both critics and audiences didn't like and also called the worst was "After Earth" I'm not sure if it will win Razzie awards. But anyways I would like you to work on "The Last Airbender" 2010 because it definitely fits in with "Films considered the worst." I would like to work on it only if it's acceptable. Let me know if I've convinced you. CrosswalkX ( talk) 03:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
How serendipitous that I too come to this Wiki-page just a few hours after the last person to suggest The Last Airbender be added to the list.
I was surprised to see that it was not yet included on the list. I know that Rottentomatoes, The Razzies, and Metacritic doesn't necessarily solidify its place as a movie considered "The Worst," but many of the films on this list did BETTER in all of these categories. The Last Airbender currently holds 1 positive review from Metacritic (its positivity is questionable, since Scott Bowles says "He hasn't mastered the craft yet, but M. Night Shyamalan may be on to something with this action-movie thing," and is given a score of 63, which barely passes for favorable). It holds a 6% on Rottentomatoes, and The Last Airbender received nine nominations at the 31st Golden Raspberry Awards including Worst Picture. The film went on to sweep the Razzies with five awards: Worst Picture, Worst Director (Shyamalan), Worst Screenplay (Shyamalan), Worst Supporting Actor (Jackson Rathbone), and a special award for "Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use of 3D." Add to that all of the controversy and racism involved in casting, the sheer anger it induced in fans of the series, and the deplorable script, directing, and acting, and I can assure you, it is on the top of my list for "Worst Movie Ever." If you need actual sources deeming it the "Worst Film Ever," you need only do a Google search to find this Time Magazine review ('The Last Airbender' Review: Worst Movie Epic Ever? - http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2000996,00.html). One great quote from the article: "The actors who didn't get to be in The Last Airbender are like the passengers who arrived too late to catch the final flight of the Hindenburg." And Ebert's review was just as scathing: With a "one-half of a star out of four" rating, Ebert wrote: "The Last Airbender is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented." Plus, I would say that non-critic audiences hated the movie just as much. At least with Howard the Duck, audiences could find some fun in it. The Last Airbender sucked every ounce of fun out of the original series, and replaced it with... nothing. It was god-awfully boring, to the point of tears. Surely, it deserves an entry on this list.
Mommie Dearest and I Spit on Your Grave were perhaps considered the worst when they were first released, but by today's standards they should no longer be listed, because MANY critics gave them POSITIVE reviews. I understand that Mommie Dearest didn't elicit the response that was intended (it intended sympathy and elicited laughter), but it is no longer a blight on Faye Dunaway's resume, and it is often cited as one of her best performances alongside Network and Bonnie and Clyde. In fact, John Waters considers it his favorite film of all time (of course, this is coming from John Waters). When judged as a drama it fails, but when judged as a black comedy it is quite successful.
And I Spit on your Grave is regarded as the BEST and most exemplary film in its genre (Rape/Revenge Horror). Ebert's reaction does not nullify its greatness and longevity. If Ebert would have called The Maltese Falcon the worst film of all time, would it have been listed here? No. I use this example because The Maltese Falcon epitomizes its genre (Film Noir), much like I Spit on Your Grave does. Because Rape/Revenge Horror is not a popular genre should not mean that its best example should be listed as "The Worst Film." I would most certainly suggest removing both of these films, because they are no longer regarded as the worst films, and have grown on audiences and critics alike. 76.170.193.42 ( talk) 05:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
If this talk page has discussed The Last Airbender as a candidate for "Worst Film Ever" hundreds of times before, as you stated LM2000, why then is it not listed? It would appear that it is commonly regarded as a candidate, and the only person who doesn't think so is you. You have said that we need reliable sources that claim it is "The Worst" and people give them to you, but you ignore them until they go away. This person gave you 6 sources that state that Airbender is regarded as the worst film ever, but you never responded to his post:
-Understood, although if you want some sources that call it one of the worst, I know some examples. I can add the film to the list again with these credentials if you wish.
-- Matthew ( talk) 23:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)-
If so many people come here, expecting it to be listed, why isn't it listed? When asked for sources, they give you sources, and you still say no. Is this some kind of pet project? Are you M Night Shyamalan?
Please excuse the humor. In reality, if hundreds of people come here saying that it is one of the worst films ever, give sources to critics who corroborate this claim, then why is there not a section for The Last Airbender yet? I would be the first to tell you that art is subjective. What one might find beautiful and encapsulating, another might find dull and boring. Wikipedia is a resource run by a community, not one person. If hundreds of people give source after source about how critics and audiences alike say that The Last Airbender is the worst film ever, it would seem that they are right, because the worst film is subjective. In reality, because of the subjective nature of the list, is it even appropriate for Wikipedia? The Last Airbender is considered by MANY people (both critics and audiences) to be the worst film ever, for many of the reasons that have already been expressed. If this list exists, The Last Airbender belongs on it. That is, if you are trying to be as objective as possible. If you are not, then the list doesn't even belong on Wikipedia, and you should post it on your blog (if you have one). 76.170.193.42 ( talk) 05:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
We can't use the Rifftrax poll because it is a fanpoll, we discussed this during the Twilight discussion (Twilight won that fanpoll). However, Hi and Vanityfair seem legit. Combined with the Time source which was supplied before, I'm not opposed to Last Airbender's inclusion because these sources seem adequate. Since this has been discussed so many times before I would wait until other users have a chance to discuss before you add it to the list, but I think that this is good enough for me.
LM2000 (
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07:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay. So I waited a whole week for more discussion on the topic. There was none, so I added The Last Airbender using the sources listed above. Can someone please review it for me? This is pretty much my first entry, and I wanted to make sure that it adheres to community standards. 76.173.178.162 ( talk) 22:25, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
It seems like most of the films on this list aren't really exceptionally bad, among the majority of films out there which are also bad - rather, someone has an axe to grind on each one. One has a brutal rape scene that some people don't like seeing portrayed, one was a well-known NC-17, one vilifies marijuana. One director blew up a horse, and another director shot downwind of some fallout. One film was made by Moonies, one by Scientologists. The common thread is that the films are distinguished mainly by having some bloc out to get them so that they can draw an unusual number of downvotes in a forum. Of course, I can't just put that in the article on my say-so, but is there some way to dig up a source that can debunk the idea of "worst films" so as to be more fair to the people being criticized here? Wnt ( talk) 21:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I deleted the following from the article because the quote didn't seem to add any detail as to why it is considered to be the worst. However, the title of the article does state that it is the worst film ever, but that argument is not stated or investigated further within the article. The article, in turn, is nothing more than an conglomeration of quotes from critics who have panned the film, and the quote used just details that many critics panned it. Here is what was deleted:
Donna Kaufman of iVillage stated "How many ways can a movie writer say that a movie is appallingly, shockingly, historically bad? More than we can count, in fact!" [1] 76.173.178.162 ( talk) 18:36, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed that a few people have been trying to designate that Avatar: The Last Airbender was vastly more popular than its film counterpoint. I, myself, removed such a comment that seemed unverifiable. But I would say that part of the reason that this film is so despised is because, as RottenTomatoes put it, "[the film] squanders its popular source material." It had potential to be excellent, but didn't measure up to any modicum of artistry. The story was there! Shymalan just failed to realize it.
How would one designate that Avatar: The Last Airbender was widely more popular without falling into "puffery?" I only ask because I feel that it is an important component as to why this film is so hated. That, and that it had nothing to offer its audience. At least some of the films on the list fall into the "so bad, it's good" category, coming full circle, and being hilarious. No laughter can be garnered from this tragedy of a film. (But, that is just me.) 76.173.178.162 ( talk) 08:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm questioning whether this film should belong here. The only source that says that this movie is among the worst is from Sylvester Stallone, who isn't really a professional film critic. In addition, the Washington Post review is more mixed than it is scathing, claiming the concept to be better than other recent attempts by Stallone. And neither Roger Ebert nor Gene Siskel stated that it was the worst movies they'd ever seen in their reviews. If anyone feels that this film should stay up here, please let me know. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 01:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
In regards to the debate about whether the infamous Caligula should be included, the Australian newspaper The Age described the film as ""Caligula", billed by critics everywhere as one of the worst films ever made".( The Age, "News Diary", June 8, 1981 p.2). Link here: [27]
Also, the website "Film Critics United", cited for several other film reviews on Wikipedia, describes "Caligula" thus: " could very well be the worst movie ever made". [28] 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 00:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't Kangaroo Jack, which was included on one respected newspaper's list of "worst films ever" (1) and was also described by a film critic in a noted British newspaper as not just as a bad film, but the worst film the same critic had ever seen released (2), mean the film merits inclusion here? While I understand The Western Mail isn't in the same tier as "The Guardian" or "The Times", doesn't it still fit the criterion of a reliable source describing the film as one of "the worst?"
I don't believe movies should be put on this list unless they have at least two references describing them as "the worst". I submitted KJ because I thought the TWM review and "The Age's" movie list both fitted the requirement of "Kangaroo Jack" being "cited by reputable critics in multiple reputable sources as among the worst films ever made"
(1) Lawrie Zion, "Home Movies". The Age, September 11, 2003. (p.7)
(2) "Kangaroo Jack is the most witless, pointless, charmless drivel unleashed on an unsuspecting public". Gary Slaymaker, The Western Mail, May 16 2003, (p.2). 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:44, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, fair enough.
If I can find two or more separate quotes from RS saying KJ is one of the worst films ever, I will try resubmitting it for the list; if I can't, then I guess KJ stays in the "very bad, but not the worst films" section. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 21:57, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello all. I found the following quotes on Rotten Tomatoes for the movie The Master of Disguise that explicitly state it is the worst movie ever made.
I also found that the film is ranked among Rotten Tomatoes' Top 100 Worst Reviewed movies of the 2000s [5] and Bo Derek was nominated for Worst Supporting Actor at the 2003 Golden Raspberry Awards for playing herself in the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 23:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I hear that another terrible movie came out in 2014, According to Rotten Tomatoes, this film has only 3% fresh [6]. such a bland movie should be on this article. SuperHypercane ( talk) 06:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I wonder if the British low-budget sci-fi flick Fire Maidens from Outer Space might be eligible?
Halliwell's Film and Video Guide describes the film as "a strong contender for the title of the worst movie ever made, with diaphanously clad English gals [sic] striking embarrassed poses against cardboard sets". (John Walker (ed.) Halliwell's Film and Video Guide 2000, London: HarperCollins, 1999, p.287). Film historian I.Q. Hunter also lists FMFOS as one of the candidates for "What is the worst British film ever made?" alongside other poorly received films such as Parting Shots, Pimp, Sing As We Go and Sex Lives of the Potato Men (I. Q Hunter, "From Window Cleaner to Potato Man" in British Comedy Cinema, edited I.Q. Hunter, Laraine Porter. Routledge, 2012 (p.154)). 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 20:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Just added FMfOS to the list. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 00:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I deleted this film since it only mentioned being "possibly the worst British comedy ever." As far as I know, this page is reserved for films that are critically regarded as the worst film ever, in any genre. Gstridsigne ( talk) 11:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
OK, valid points. But if I can find a RS that calls " Run For Your Wife" the "worst film ever", though, then I think it merits being put back on the list. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Lots of poor reviews, the only one that calls it the worst is from The Daily Mail, which is a tabloid, and fails WP:RS. I've removed it for now. 0% on RT doesn't count, and "the most staggeringly perfunctory piece of filmmaking I have ever seen" falls under the same category as "most godawful piece of pseudo-romantic slop I've ever seen!" LM2000 ( talk) 04:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
While I don't care for the Daily Mail's news section, Christopher Tookey is a fairly respected film journalist and critic. I'm not sure his reviews should be disqualified simply because they appear in a downmarket newspaper (Tookey also wrote for more respectable publications, such as Prospect and the Sunday Telegraph). 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 22:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry if my question was worded a little awkwardly. I did mean to remove the Daily Mail reference, not the film itself. The film is fine where it is. However, after reading the statement above, I will keep that reference up. Thanks for the help, everyone. 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 01:40, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
In the past we've kept Huffington Post as source, even though it isn't generally reliable, because the critic seemed legit. Seems like we've got a similar situation here, where although Daily Mail isn't generally reliable Tookey is. So in this instance it's fine to stay where it is. Thanks for the input 176.61. LM2000 ( talk) 03:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I just came by here to see that The Last Airbender, which has been on this list for a considerable amount of time, has been removed. I'm aware that there has been some controversy over whether it is among the worst films of all time in the past. Any thoughts on this? 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 02:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
In an article discussing adaptations of Stephen King novels, Tasha Robinson mentions "the execrable Dreamcatcher, which frequently turns up on lists of the worst films ever made". http://thedissolve.com/features/movie-of-the-week/248-what-the-shining-miniseries-reveals-about-the-king/
Dreamcatcher is also listed as Number 18 on Empire's list of the Fifty Worst Movies ever: http://www.empireonline.com/features/50-worst-movies-ever/default.asp?film=18 If we can locate a few more references to Dreamcatcher being "one of the worst movies ever", then it should be added to this list. 79.97.164.232 ( talk) 18:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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After directing the masterpiece known as Life is Beautiful, winning 3 Academy Awards, Roberto Benigni went on to direct an adaptation of the classic tale, Pinocchio. And, by god, is it awful. After watching it today, in a class, I wasn't surprised to see it with a 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, or being nominated for multiple Razzie awards. I implore you, put this travesty on the list - the acting, CGI, soundtrack, script and everything speck of scum in between is cringe-worthy garbage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.147.207.225 ( talk) 09:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
On Rotten Tomatoes: The New York Times thought it was that awful, that it 'enters the pantheon of wreckage that includes Battlefield Earth and Showgirls'. Entertainment Weekly gave it an 'F' rating. 1/5 from Toronto Star. NO scores above 1.5/5, or 1.5/4. Metacritic score of 11.
So, uh, yeah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.165.253 ( talk) 10:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
The Cannonball Run II has to be one of the worst films ever, certainly the worst one I've ever seen. Although "Bolero" grabbed the Razzie for 1984, this piece of trash did manage EIGHT nominations that year.
Also, Roger Ebert gave it one of the most scathing reviews that I can recall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_II#cite_ref-2
Regards,
Andy. — Preceding
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is Mystery Science Theater considered a reputable source? -- 2601:C:4380:50:CC66:42C7:BCF8:CA4B ( talk) 17:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Due to recent IP vandalism, past protection, and the risk of further attacks, I am semi-protecting this article for 10 days. Bearian ( talk) 20:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Every indication is that the vast majority of critics hated this. However, we do not have reliable sources directly calling this "the worst". Of all the material quoted, the only things we have that are close are as follows:
Comments before I remove? - SummerPhD ( talk) 16:28, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
While I still believe we are reaching here to include a recent film that included lots of names, the current consensus will probably hold. We need to add the most explicit refs we do have (such as they are). Additionally, the repeatedly added "universally panned" claim (here and in the movie's article) is incorrect as a 4% at rottentomatoes indicates that someone, somewhere (whomever they may be) had something positive to say. I'd tend to say "very widely panned", but that's probably a bit weaselly. - SummerPhD ( talk) 01:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
It got a 0% rating by Rotten Tomatoes, and is said to be one of the most panned movies of all time. -- TytheRezac ( talk) 22:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I think the new Nicolas Refn movie deserves a mention in this article. The film has some supporters, but it's detractors have openly claimed it as one of the worst ever made. Take this nugget from Rex Reed: "Gruesomely grotesque and pathologically pretentious, a diabolical horror called Only God Forgives may not be the worst movie ever made, but it is unquestionably in the top five." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.244.10 ( talk) 16:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
No-one has talked about this film yet because...well, this film has never been released outside of the UK.
This film only grossed £205 in British box-offices, which has considered to be the biggest British box-office bomb in history. - http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/danny-dyers-film-pimp-bombs-at-cinema-big-style.252690/
On Rotten Tomatoes, the film scored a 0% based on 13 reviews, which is the lowest score any film has ever scored on the site. - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pimp_2010/
Mark Kermode panned the film during his BBC Radio 5 Live film review programme with Simon Mayo, - http://www.containsmoderateperil.com/mark-kermode-reviews-pimp-2010/ which he later placed it at No. 3 in his Top 5 Worst Films of 2010. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29HFdTq5Vg
Cath Clarke from The Guardian gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "This really is snoringly predictable and Cavanah nonsensically presents it as footage filmed by a documentary team: a real doco unit would have scarpered to the nearest cop shop after witnessing five seconds of beatings and torture. With nil insight – into the sex industry or anything else – you might conclude Pimp is a film for men who get their kicks watching Dyer strut around leering at topless women who – in the parlance of the film – look like "the basic pleasure model". One for Zoo readers, then." - http://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/may/20/pimp-film-review
Anthony Quinn from The Independent also gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "The plot, concerning the identity of a snuff-movie killer, is a gruesome mixture of sexual sadism and sentimentality, made even less palatable by dialogue of quarter-witted aggression." - http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/pimp-18-1978582.html
Tim Robey from The Telegraph gave the film 0 out of 5 stars, citing "Even by the gutter standards of Britsploitation flicks featuring Danny Dyer, this Soho sex-industry mockumentary is soul-flayingly horrendous. One line is a keeper: “No one gets snuffed on my watch." - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/7749457/Pimp-review.html
Time Out gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "With its excessive levels of casual racism, sexism and homophobia, the film feels like nothing more than a rejected ‘Derek and Clive’ sketch that’s been stripped of eloquence and irony and calibrated instead for cheap, leery laughs. The attempts, too, at a faux-documentary style are badly botched, partly because the cast is visibly trying too hard to act naturally but mainly because of a script that’s little more than a contrived patchwork of clichés, spurious historical quotations and so much swearing." - http://www.timeout.com/london/film/pimp-2010
Ellen E Jones from TotalFilm.com also gave the film 1 out of 5 stars, citing "If there’s one thing more heinous than glamourising sex slavery, it’s attempting to glamorise sex slavery and making a drab mockumentary instead. You wouldn’t think a film could actually be both very boring and very offensive. Pimp is that paradox made flesh." - http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cinema/pimp-1
And it was placed No. 13 in Virgin Media's Worst Movies of 2010, citing "A mock-doc that couldn’t feel more phony if the cast were Muppets, it's a total mess – not even so bad it's good like some of Dyer's more agreeable efforts. Sort it aaht, son!" - http://www.virginmedia.com/movies/features/worst-movies-of-2010.php?page=8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.39.35 ( talk) 01:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Hope all these references have helped to put this in a place for films considered the worst. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.39.35 ( talk)
LM2000 informed me that The Last Airbender was discussed on the article this talk page is about, and said things about sources that actually say it's one of the worst movies ever. The following are those sources:
Nevertheless, LM2000 replied to me with a message that has a specific portion I want to mention:
"A few of those sources look like ones that have been discussed before and we've taken issue with it. It's worth a discussion amongst the rest of the community to see if they agree with you though."
So, my fellow Wikipedians, let the discussion begin. It's offended fans, moviegoers, critics, yet is The Last Airbender truly one of the worst movies of all time? -- Matthew ( talk) 00:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Roger Ebert said this, though: "'The Last Airbender' is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented." That's pretty bad. But okay. -- Matthew ( talk) 22:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Rotten Tomatoes: 20/10 Metacritic: 31/100
How is a movie that makes light of child sex abuse and incest not one of the worst movies ever made?
Oct13 ( talk) 09:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
We're lacking a number of films from the 70s, as well as non-US films. I've been doing some digging the past few days and have already added two films to the list which I think have very solid sources. Here's two that I'm not so sure about though.
Zaat (1971)
Daniel - Der Zauberer (2004)
This one gets put on the list frequently and then gets taken down. I actually removed it from the list last month because it didn't have any source calling it the worst. I didn't find a whole lot of sources for this, but maybe I found the bare minimum.
Thoughts on either film? LM2000 ( talk) 09:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
inAPPropriate Comedy has been trashed by several reviewers and critic sites, including the 0% on Rotten Tomatoes and the 1/100 rating on Metacritic. It was called worse than Movie 43. Hollywood Reporter Does that kind of "acclaim" get this movie a spot on this list?
Pain and Gain is Micheal Bay's attempt at making a thriller/horror/heist slasher, and has been reviled by most respected critics, though it has still managed a 49% on rotten tomatoes. Filled with random camera angles, and lines like "You know why Rabbit rhymes with Habit? Because it takes your whole life down a fucking bunny hole.", this "film" is a horrible bastardization of the truth despite Bay's repeated mentions that it is a "true story". He even went as far as to stage mugshots for the final 'where are they now' slides to create a character for Dwayne Johnson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.11.173 ( talk • contribs)
i didn't think it was that bad, but for years i've been hearing critics (and late-night comics) cite this as the worst of the worst. how can it not make the cut here?! 209.172.25.244 ( talk) 09:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree completely that this is more than enough, but be aware there is a history of REMOVING this film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AList_of_films_considered_the_worst/Removed_films#I
I dunno how that guy can say it doesn't have the notoriety of other entries. IMHO it has notoriety above and BEYOND most of the other entries here!
If the list were limited to "Top 5 Considered Worst", it would still make the cut, IMHO. I, for one, grew up hearing it was #1 or #2 in this regard. I believe it was the go-to title for Leno and Letterman all those years...at least up until Gigli came along. 209.172.25.243 ( talk) 04:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
While this is definitely a terrible movie, I don't think it should be included in this list. I believe past discussion has indicated the "Fifty Worst Movies" documentary by itself isn't enough for inclusion, and none of the other quotes really describe it as one of the worst movies ever. The Lisanti quote "by far the worst of the sixties beach films" is close, but I think we'd need more than that, and the other quotes just describe it as a very bad movie. (In fact, the NY Times film review quote actually points out a redeeming quality.) I think this is one of those movies that are terrible, but not terrible enough or well-known enough to be considered one of the worst. But I wanted to allow for any discussion here though before I remove it. Thoughts? — Hun ter Ka hn 13:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
At this point I think it has enough for inclusion. Some of us are apprehensive of films which have no individual assessments calling it "the worst" and only have lists, books, polls, etc. which are iffy because they feature a large number of films. The same time this discussion happened, Che! (1969) was reverted three times by three different because it only had two book sources without any actual quotes calling it "the worst". However I think we've met those concerns with this film. We've got it compared to Ed Wood, we've got it being called the worst beach film, we've got some harsh reviews in there, and we've got two worst-ever lists from books. I think that's enough for me. LM2000 ( talk) 19:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I believe me and several other users went through this a long time ago: Howard the Duck is not credible for this list. We had it removed, but now it is back. While it is definitely a negatively reviewed film, there are no specific sources that cite it as being "one of the worst movies ever made". Winning Worst Picture at the Razzies doesn't count either. There needs to be a source that specifically says "one of the worst movies ever made". The Shadow-Fighter ( talk) 23:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I put them in either way. If you still don't think it's adequate let me know and I'll do some more searching. LM2000 ( talk) 01:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I think the British "comedy" Sex Lives of the Potato Men should be on the list. When it was released, James Christopher of The Times described SLotPM as ""one of the two most nauseous films ever made" as well "a masterclass in film-making ineptitude", while writer Will Self described the same film in The Evening Standard as "mirthless, worthless, toothless, useless". [24] Catherine Shoard, in the Sunday Telegraph said about SLotPM: "It’s hard to know what to say to this - it’s like finding the right words at a nasty accident... Less a film than an appetite suppressant. " and Gary Panton in " Movie Gazette stated "About as funny as being stabbed repeatedly in the face with a bread knife... How on earth Humphries managed to convince such an impressive cast to take part in his truly awful film should go down as one of the biggest mysteries in Brit flick history". [25] 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 14:10, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
SLotPM also has a "0%" at Rotten Tomatoes with 10 negative reviews: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the-sex-lives-of-the-potato-men/reviews/. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 00:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Several reviews of SLotPM described it as being one of the worst films; Kevin O'Sullivan in the Daily Mirror, March 5th 2004 called it "one of the worst films ever made". Catherine Shoard in the Telegraph review of "SLotPM" (February 22 2004) said it was "Probably the lewdest Brit-com since " Confessions of a Window Cleaner", and certainly the worst". Henry Fitzherbert in the Sunday Express, (February 22nd 2004) said ""Sex Lives is so awful it left me slack-jawed in disbelief...it must be one of the worst British comedies." So I believe it meets the criteria to be on the list. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I'm removing several unsourced claims on this page comparing numerous films to Rocky Horror and stating that they are 'cult' films. Only the ones that have no citation for this claim, though. It's something of a pet peeve for me, because it's such a wooly claim, as it explains in no way why any of the films are like Rocky Horror (are they musicals? Do people dress up in costume to watch them) or what defines them as a cult film. If anyone's unhappy with any of the edits, I want to be able to discuss it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justin.Parallax ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I just don't think this fits in with the rest. It seems to only be here because of Ebert's harsh review, and perhaps an in-storyline quote from the actual movie which compared the movie-inside-a-movie to Showgirls. This was clearly a contender for worst movie of 1998 but I can't find anything that calls it the worst ever made. In the archive I've seen this source use to justify it's inclusion but the "going down as one of the worst movies in Hollywood history" line actually referred to Eszterhas' other project, Showgirls, not this film. Any thoughts before I remove? LM2000 ( talk) 22:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
WHy isn't it listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.210.175 ( talk) 03:06, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
It seems as if this movie does not seem to fit in with the rest. Roger Ebert's review of this movie may have gotten 0 stars, but there is no reputable evidence in that review that clearly states it's one of the worst of all time. Second, there is only one link for the statement "It is often considered one of the worst movies ever made", and somehow, that link is broken. In addition, I don't believe EW's "25 Worst Sequels Ever Made" list is a very reputable source, either. Some of those films on the list are actually pretty good (such as The Matrix: Reloaded at #25), while others (such as Leprechaun: Back 2 Tha Hood! at #3) were direct-to-DVD, so there was not much attention to those films by critics.
If anyone here finds any sources besides the ones in the article that you think are truly reputable, feel free to tell. Otherwise, I request that this section be taken down due to a lack of reputable sources that say this is one of the worst ever made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 20:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of films considered the worst's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "TV Guide":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Ebert hated the movie. Ok, I get his point. But that's ONE guy, Siskel agreed with him, so 2. They collectively thumbed down hundreds of movies. However, I Spit is not a consensus worst movie. Look for it on Rotten Tomatoes and see that it is relatively fresh- 17 of 31, or 55%, of critics gave good notices. True Plan 9 has a higher percentage, but that's clearly a "so bad it's good" effect. I Spit...'s percentage actually reflects reviewers' opinion of it's artistic merit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.35.169 ( talk) 17:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
So it seems I can't rescue the movie at this point. I would research critical response to it if there was potential use to it; for argument sake, if a few critics of higher profile than Fangoria magazine wrote somewhat well of it, would it matter, or is it's inclusion cemented due to Ebert's strong opinion? I know that at least some genre buffs, some who review films, consider it good for what it is (almost no one says that of Jack and Jill or Movie 43), and think a case to support that notion could be made from neutral to favorable reviews, especially if I could find mainstream examples... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.35.169 ( talk) 01:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
OK thanks. I think the added blurb strikes the balance between the discrete critical loathing typified by Ebert, and avoiding the false impression that almost all critics consider this a "worst film" candidate, as they do in the case of 2 recent films I mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.35.169 ( talk) 03:46, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello wikipedia users for "movies considered the worst." I know you have high expectations for worst movies ever but I just wanted to confirm to you that M Night Shyamalan the movie director is notable for making worst movies ever. They even called him the next Ed Wood. I feel very sorry for his movie carrier and that he messed up "The Last Airbender" very badly. In fact M. Night Shyamalans fans want to send him back to directing school.
Anyways I wanted to point out that he went from making popular horror thriller movies like "The Sixth Sense", "The Village" and "Signs". To making what both critics and movie audiences consider the worst movies like "Lady in the Water", "The Last Airbender", and "After Earth".
Anyways I do know that M. Night Shyamalans movie "The Last Airbender" 2010 made alot of people both movie critics and fans of The Last Airbender cartoon fans very angry, insulted, and they called it a waste of their time, and said there wasn't any fun, laughter, not much lines, the movie very rushed, called his special effects the worst ever. Even the story's wooden and too serious and the casting controversy awful, the mispronouncing Aangs name to Anng, the slang term bender insulting to British people.
I even have family members and my friends that were very angry, upset, insulted and they called it a waste of time and said that M. Night Shyamalan shouldn't have made the live action version and they have forgotten about the movie ever since. I was disappointed that he completely changed the movie. The only funny thing I found about the movie was the bloopers of "The Last Airbender" but the movie itself is slow paced and forgettable.
Also as you know "The Last Airbender won many razzie awards of 2011. After that movie another movie both critics and audiences didn't like and also called the worst was "After Earth" I'm not sure if it will win Razzie awards. But anyways I would like you to work on "The Last Airbender" 2010 because it definitely fits in with "Films considered the worst." I would like to work on it only if it's acceptable. Let me know if I've convinced you. CrosswalkX ( talk) 03:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
How serendipitous that I too come to this Wiki-page just a few hours after the last person to suggest The Last Airbender be added to the list.
I was surprised to see that it was not yet included on the list. I know that Rottentomatoes, The Razzies, and Metacritic doesn't necessarily solidify its place as a movie considered "The Worst," but many of the films on this list did BETTER in all of these categories. The Last Airbender currently holds 1 positive review from Metacritic (its positivity is questionable, since Scott Bowles says "He hasn't mastered the craft yet, but M. Night Shyamalan may be on to something with this action-movie thing," and is given a score of 63, which barely passes for favorable). It holds a 6% on Rottentomatoes, and The Last Airbender received nine nominations at the 31st Golden Raspberry Awards including Worst Picture. The film went on to sweep the Razzies with five awards: Worst Picture, Worst Director (Shyamalan), Worst Screenplay (Shyamalan), Worst Supporting Actor (Jackson Rathbone), and a special award for "Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use of 3D." Add to that all of the controversy and racism involved in casting, the sheer anger it induced in fans of the series, and the deplorable script, directing, and acting, and I can assure you, it is on the top of my list for "Worst Movie Ever." If you need actual sources deeming it the "Worst Film Ever," you need only do a Google search to find this Time Magazine review ('The Last Airbender' Review: Worst Movie Epic Ever? - http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2000996,00.html). One great quote from the article: "The actors who didn't get to be in The Last Airbender are like the passengers who arrived too late to catch the final flight of the Hindenburg." And Ebert's review was just as scathing: With a "one-half of a star out of four" rating, Ebert wrote: "The Last Airbender is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented." Plus, I would say that non-critic audiences hated the movie just as much. At least with Howard the Duck, audiences could find some fun in it. The Last Airbender sucked every ounce of fun out of the original series, and replaced it with... nothing. It was god-awfully boring, to the point of tears. Surely, it deserves an entry on this list.
Mommie Dearest and I Spit on Your Grave were perhaps considered the worst when they were first released, but by today's standards they should no longer be listed, because MANY critics gave them POSITIVE reviews. I understand that Mommie Dearest didn't elicit the response that was intended (it intended sympathy and elicited laughter), but it is no longer a blight on Faye Dunaway's resume, and it is often cited as one of her best performances alongside Network and Bonnie and Clyde. In fact, John Waters considers it his favorite film of all time (of course, this is coming from John Waters). When judged as a drama it fails, but when judged as a black comedy it is quite successful.
And I Spit on your Grave is regarded as the BEST and most exemplary film in its genre (Rape/Revenge Horror). Ebert's reaction does not nullify its greatness and longevity. If Ebert would have called The Maltese Falcon the worst film of all time, would it have been listed here? No. I use this example because The Maltese Falcon epitomizes its genre (Film Noir), much like I Spit on Your Grave does. Because Rape/Revenge Horror is not a popular genre should not mean that its best example should be listed as "The Worst Film." I would most certainly suggest removing both of these films, because they are no longer regarded as the worst films, and have grown on audiences and critics alike. 76.170.193.42 ( talk) 05:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
If this talk page has discussed The Last Airbender as a candidate for "Worst Film Ever" hundreds of times before, as you stated LM2000, why then is it not listed? It would appear that it is commonly regarded as a candidate, and the only person who doesn't think so is you. You have said that we need reliable sources that claim it is "The Worst" and people give them to you, but you ignore them until they go away. This person gave you 6 sources that state that Airbender is regarded as the worst film ever, but you never responded to his post:
-Understood, although if you want some sources that call it one of the worst, I know some examples. I can add the film to the list again with these credentials if you wish.
-- Matthew ( talk) 23:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)-
If so many people come here, expecting it to be listed, why isn't it listed? When asked for sources, they give you sources, and you still say no. Is this some kind of pet project? Are you M Night Shyamalan?
Please excuse the humor. In reality, if hundreds of people come here saying that it is one of the worst films ever, give sources to critics who corroborate this claim, then why is there not a section for The Last Airbender yet? I would be the first to tell you that art is subjective. What one might find beautiful and encapsulating, another might find dull and boring. Wikipedia is a resource run by a community, not one person. If hundreds of people give source after source about how critics and audiences alike say that The Last Airbender is the worst film ever, it would seem that they are right, because the worst film is subjective. In reality, because of the subjective nature of the list, is it even appropriate for Wikipedia? The Last Airbender is considered by MANY people (both critics and audiences) to be the worst film ever, for many of the reasons that have already been expressed. If this list exists, The Last Airbender belongs on it. That is, if you are trying to be as objective as possible. If you are not, then the list doesn't even belong on Wikipedia, and you should post it on your blog (if you have one). 76.170.193.42 ( talk) 05:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
We can't use the Rifftrax poll because it is a fanpoll, we discussed this during the Twilight discussion (Twilight won that fanpoll). However, Hi and Vanityfair seem legit. Combined with the Time source which was supplied before, I'm not opposed to Last Airbender's inclusion because these sources seem adequate. Since this has been discussed so many times before I would wait until other users have a chance to discuss before you add it to the list, but I think that this is good enough for me.
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07:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay. So I waited a whole week for more discussion on the topic. There was none, so I added The Last Airbender using the sources listed above. Can someone please review it for me? This is pretty much my first entry, and I wanted to make sure that it adheres to community standards. 76.173.178.162 ( talk) 22:25, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
It seems like most of the films on this list aren't really exceptionally bad, among the majority of films out there which are also bad - rather, someone has an axe to grind on each one. One has a brutal rape scene that some people don't like seeing portrayed, one was a well-known NC-17, one vilifies marijuana. One director blew up a horse, and another director shot downwind of some fallout. One film was made by Moonies, one by Scientologists. The common thread is that the films are distinguished mainly by having some bloc out to get them so that they can draw an unusual number of downvotes in a forum. Of course, I can't just put that in the article on my say-so, but is there some way to dig up a source that can debunk the idea of "worst films" so as to be more fair to the people being criticized here? Wnt ( talk) 21:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I deleted the following from the article because the quote didn't seem to add any detail as to why it is considered to be the worst. However, the title of the article does state that it is the worst film ever, but that argument is not stated or investigated further within the article. The article, in turn, is nothing more than an conglomeration of quotes from critics who have panned the film, and the quote used just details that many critics panned it. Here is what was deleted:
Donna Kaufman of iVillage stated "How many ways can a movie writer say that a movie is appallingly, shockingly, historically bad? More than we can count, in fact!" [1] 76.173.178.162 ( talk) 18:36, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed that a few people have been trying to designate that Avatar: The Last Airbender was vastly more popular than its film counterpoint. I, myself, removed such a comment that seemed unverifiable. But I would say that part of the reason that this film is so despised is because, as RottenTomatoes put it, "[the film] squanders its popular source material." It had potential to be excellent, but didn't measure up to any modicum of artistry. The story was there! Shymalan just failed to realize it.
How would one designate that Avatar: The Last Airbender was widely more popular without falling into "puffery?" I only ask because I feel that it is an important component as to why this film is so hated. That, and that it had nothing to offer its audience. At least some of the films on the list fall into the "so bad, it's good" category, coming full circle, and being hilarious. No laughter can be garnered from this tragedy of a film. (But, that is just me.) 76.173.178.162 ( talk) 08:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm questioning whether this film should belong here. The only source that says that this movie is among the worst is from Sylvester Stallone, who isn't really a professional film critic. In addition, the Washington Post review is more mixed than it is scathing, claiming the concept to be better than other recent attempts by Stallone. And neither Roger Ebert nor Gene Siskel stated that it was the worst movies they'd ever seen in their reviews. If anyone feels that this film should stay up here, please let me know. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 01:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
In regards to the debate about whether the infamous Caligula should be included, the Australian newspaper The Age described the film as ""Caligula", billed by critics everywhere as one of the worst films ever made".( The Age, "News Diary", June 8, 1981 p.2). Link here: [27]
Also, the website "Film Critics United", cited for several other film reviews on Wikipedia, describes "Caligula" thus: " could very well be the worst movie ever made". [28] 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 00:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't Kangaroo Jack, which was included on one respected newspaper's list of "worst films ever" (1) and was also described by a film critic in a noted British newspaper as not just as a bad film, but the worst film the same critic had ever seen released (2), mean the film merits inclusion here? While I understand The Western Mail isn't in the same tier as "The Guardian" or "The Times", doesn't it still fit the criterion of a reliable source describing the film as one of "the worst?"
I don't believe movies should be put on this list unless they have at least two references describing them as "the worst". I submitted KJ because I thought the TWM review and "The Age's" movie list both fitted the requirement of "Kangaroo Jack" being "cited by reputable critics in multiple reputable sources as among the worst films ever made"
(1) Lawrie Zion, "Home Movies". The Age, September 11, 2003. (p.7)
(2) "Kangaroo Jack is the most witless, pointless, charmless drivel unleashed on an unsuspecting public". Gary Slaymaker, The Western Mail, May 16 2003, (p.2). 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:44, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, fair enough.
If I can find two or more separate quotes from RS saying KJ is one of the worst films ever, I will try resubmitting it for the list; if I can't, then I guess KJ stays in the "very bad, but not the worst films" section. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 21:57, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello all. I found the following quotes on Rotten Tomatoes for the movie The Master of Disguise that explicitly state it is the worst movie ever made.
I also found that the film is ranked among Rotten Tomatoes' Top 100 Worst Reviewed movies of the 2000s [5] and Bo Derek was nominated for Worst Supporting Actor at the 2003 Golden Raspberry Awards for playing herself in the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 23:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I hear that another terrible movie came out in 2014, According to Rotten Tomatoes, this film has only 3% fresh [6]. such a bland movie should be on this article. SuperHypercane ( talk) 06:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I wonder if the British low-budget sci-fi flick Fire Maidens from Outer Space might be eligible?
Halliwell's Film and Video Guide describes the film as "a strong contender for the title of the worst movie ever made, with diaphanously clad English gals [sic] striking embarrassed poses against cardboard sets". (John Walker (ed.) Halliwell's Film and Video Guide 2000, London: HarperCollins, 1999, p.287). Film historian I.Q. Hunter also lists FMFOS as one of the candidates for "What is the worst British film ever made?" alongside other poorly received films such as Parting Shots, Pimp, Sing As We Go and Sex Lives of the Potato Men (I. Q Hunter, "From Window Cleaner to Potato Man" in British Comedy Cinema, edited I.Q. Hunter, Laraine Porter. Routledge, 2012 (p.154)). 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 20:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Just added FMfOS to the list. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 00:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I deleted this film since it only mentioned being "possibly the worst British comedy ever." As far as I know, this page is reserved for films that are critically regarded as the worst film ever, in any genre. Gstridsigne ( talk) 11:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
OK, valid points. But if I can find a RS that calls " Run For Your Wife" the "worst film ever", though, then I think it merits being put back on the list. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Lots of poor reviews, the only one that calls it the worst is from The Daily Mail, which is a tabloid, and fails WP:RS. I've removed it for now. 0% on RT doesn't count, and "the most staggeringly perfunctory piece of filmmaking I have ever seen" falls under the same category as "most godawful piece of pseudo-romantic slop I've ever seen!" LM2000 ( talk) 04:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
While I don't care for the Daily Mail's news section, Christopher Tookey is a fairly respected film journalist and critic. I'm not sure his reviews should be disqualified simply because they appear in a downmarket newspaper (Tookey also wrote for more respectable publications, such as Prospect and the Sunday Telegraph). 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 22:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry if my question was worded a little awkwardly. I did mean to remove the Daily Mail reference, not the film itself. The film is fine where it is. However, after reading the statement above, I will keep that reference up. Thanks for the help, everyone. 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 01:40, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
In the past we've kept Huffington Post as source, even though it isn't generally reliable, because the critic seemed legit. Seems like we've got a similar situation here, where although Daily Mail isn't generally reliable Tookey is. So in this instance it's fine to stay where it is. Thanks for the input 176.61. LM2000 ( talk) 03:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I just came by here to see that The Last Airbender, which has been on this list for a considerable amount of time, has been removed. I'm aware that there has been some controversy over whether it is among the worst films of all time in the past. Any thoughts on this? 67.242.156.6 ( talk) 02:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
In an article discussing adaptations of Stephen King novels, Tasha Robinson mentions "the execrable Dreamcatcher, which frequently turns up on lists of the worst films ever made". http://thedissolve.com/features/movie-of-the-week/248-what-the-shining-miniseries-reveals-about-the-king/
Dreamcatcher is also listed as Number 18 on Empire's list of the Fifty Worst Movies ever: http://www.empireonline.com/features/50-worst-movies-ever/default.asp?film=18 If we can locate a few more references to Dreamcatcher being "one of the worst movies ever", then it should be added to this list. 79.97.164.232 ( talk) 18:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)