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I notice Ellen Wilkinson is stated who have committed suicide. Despite the citation used, and allegations mentioned in the Wikipedia article she committed suicide over private life concerns with Herbert Morrison, the selfsame article acknowledged it was officially (via coroner inquest) ruled an accidental overdose. (A not unknown occurrence in a society, pre-NHS, where self-medication had been encouraged.) Surely one should follow law, not rumour. Brian Harrison, her biographer in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, considers the overdose was "almost certainly accidental", and was taken when she was ill with multiple respiratory ailments. (I have amended the Wikipedia biography accordingly.) Cloptonson ( talk) 08:18, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I have just reverted a series of 3 edits to this page by User:SleepCovo, which I list in chronological order:
Note that only 1 of these 3 edits was accompanied by an edit summary. If User:SleepCovo wishes to edit a collaborative project such as Wikipedia, it would be helpful if they would provide an edit summary for every edit, to explain their intentrions to other editors. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please edit this article to replace all instances of [[Next United Kingdom general election|2015]]
with [[United Kingdom general election, 2015|2015]]
The article Next United Kingdom general election is (unsurprisingly) about whichever election is due next, whereas these links refer specifically to the 2015 election when the MPs concerned left the Commons. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:30, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please edit this article to correct the party affiliation of Kate Osamor MP. It is incorrectly listed as Conservative, but she is actually Labour Co-operative. This was my error while adding her to the list.
Sources:
News websites tend to abbreviate "Labour Co-operative" to just "Labour", e.g.
... but Wikipedia always acknowledges the full party affiliation of Labour Co-operative MPs. See for example List of MPs elected in the United Kingdom general election, 2015
Here is the current entry:
|- | style="background-color: {{Conservative Party (UK)/meta/color}}" | | {{Party shortname|Conservative Party (UK)}} | {{sortname|Kate|Osamor}} | [[Edmonton (UK Parliament constituency)|Edmonton]] | [[United Kingdom general election, 2015|2015]] | | Serving
It should be replaced with:
|- | style="background-color: {{Labour Co-operative/meta/color}}" | | {{Party shortname|Labour Co-operative}} | {{sortname|Kate|Osamor}} | [[Edmonton (UK Parliament constituency)|Edmonton]] | [[United Kingdom general election, 2015|2015]] | | Serving
I hope that this is uncontroversial. @ SleepCovo:, can you confirm that you agree with this? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I have just reverted [1] a series of 6 edits [2] by User:SleepCovo.
These edits added peerage titles to the names of the MPs, which was one of the items in a disagreement 2 weeks ago. At the time, I asked SleepCovo to follow the process set out in WP:BRD, i.e. to discuss this disagreement and try to reach a consensus. Sadly, SleepCovo preferred to simply reinstate the contested changes, which led to the page being protected.
While the page was protected, it was agreed to restore an earlier version of the page as the starting point for frther discussion. This was done [3] by User:CambridgeBayWeather, who also accepted a further request to correct some links [4].
The version I have restored is as per the last edit by CambridgeBayWeather -- see diff [5]. This reversion may have lost some good changes as well as those contested, but sadly that is an inevitable consequence of the failure too settle the disputed issues.
Please may I ask yet again that SleepCovo discuss our disagreements and refrain from reinstating the contested edits until consensus has been reached. To facilitate the discussion, I have created a separate section below for the substantive discussion on this point.-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:21, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
It is hard to track exactly what changes are made by SleepCovo, because SleepCovo refuses to use edit summaries. An edit without an explained purpose makes it more likely that any change will be reverted, but its intent and effect are unclear.
Furthermore, any explanations which SleepCovo gives on this talk page are mixed up with attacks on me. Let's keep the two separate.
So, to help us reach agreement, please SleepCovo set out in numbered-list form what changes you think need to be made. then we can see what we agree on, and discuss the remainnder. Please, keep this section only for discussion about the substance of the article. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I gather there has been a disagreement as to whether wives of peers should be listed under their titles. It doesn't really matter when the husband's title is the same as his surname (Astor, Noel-Buxton, Borwick), but it seems wholly obfuscatory to list the Duchess of Atholl and Ladies Apsley and Tweedsmuir under names (Stewart-Murray, Bathurst and Buchan) by which they were never known while in Parliament, or even outside it. Opera hat ( talk) 09:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Please note that the practice of listing the MPs only by their given names is also followed the two major websites which track Parliament, and by Parliament itself. See the listings for Victoria Borwick (aka Lady Borwick):
On what policy basis is SleepCovo arguing that en.wp should abandon its WP:COMMONNAME principle, and adopt some sort of formal title which is not even used by Parliament itself? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Some time ago, to reduce visual clutter, I removed postnomials (QC, OBE, etc) from the main body of the list, and moved them to footnotes.
These items are quite properly included in the linked biographical articles. However, the purpose of this list is to identify the MPs, not to note all the other positions and honours or titles they may have held. Moving this info to footnotes is less visually cluttering than having the title in the body of the list, but in most cases it adds a footnote link which would not otherwise exist.
I propose removing all reference to postnomials from the list and from footnotes. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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On list of female MP’s in the UK. The figures are totally wrong e.g. it says there are 35 Conservative women when actually there are 87, and it says the total women is 67 when actually it is over 200...sort it out please. Liamdaniel981 ( talk) 18:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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I notice Ellen Wilkinson is stated who have committed suicide. Despite the citation used, and allegations mentioned in the Wikipedia article she committed suicide over private life concerns with Herbert Morrison, the selfsame article acknowledged it was officially (via coroner inquest) ruled an accidental overdose. (A not unknown occurrence in a society, pre-NHS, where self-medication had been encouraged.) Surely one should follow law, not rumour. Brian Harrison, her biographer in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, considers the overdose was "almost certainly accidental", and was taken when she was ill with multiple respiratory ailments. (I have amended the Wikipedia biography accordingly.) Cloptonson ( talk) 08:18, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I have just reverted a series of 3 edits to this page by User:SleepCovo, which I list in chronological order:
Note that only 1 of these 3 edits was accompanied by an edit summary. If User:SleepCovo wishes to edit a collaborative project such as Wikipedia, it would be helpful if they would provide an edit summary for every edit, to explain their intentrions to other editors. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please edit this article to replace all instances of [[Next United Kingdom general election|2015]]
with [[United Kingdom general election, 2015|2015]]
The article Next United Kingdom general election is (unsurprisingly) about whichever election is due next, whereas these links refer specifically to the 2015 election when the MPs concerned left the Commons. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:30, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please edit this article to correct the party affiliation of Kate Osamor MP. It is incorrectly listed as Conservative, but she is actually Labour Co-operative. This was my error while adding her to the list.
Sources:
News websites tend to abbreviate "Labour Co-operative" to just "Labour", e.g.
... but Wikipedia always acknowledges the full party affiliation of Labour Co-operative MPs. See for example List of MPs elected in the United Kingdom general election, 2015
Here is the current entry:
|- | style="background-color: {{Conservative Party (UK)/meta/color}}" | | {{Party shortname|Conservative Party (UK)}} | {{sortname|Kate|Osamor}} | [[Edmonton (UK Parliament constituency)|Edmonton]] | [[United Kingdom general election, 2015|2015]] | | Serving
It should be replaced with:
|- | style="background-color: {{Labour Co-operative/meta/color}}" | | {{Party shortname|Labour Co-operative}} | {{sortname|Kate|Osamor}} | [[Edmonton (UK Parliament constituency)|Edmonton]] | [[United Kingdom general election, 2015|2015]] | | Serving
I hope that this is uncontroversial. @ SleepCovo:, can you confirm that you agree with this? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I have just reverted [1] a series of 6 edits [2] by User:SleepCovo.
These edits added peerage titles to the names of the MPs, which was one of the items in a disagreement 2 weeks ago. At the time, I asked SleepCovo to follow the process set out in WP:BRD, i.e. to discuss this disagreement and try to reach a consensus. Sadly, SleepCovo preferred to simply reinstate the contested changes, which led to the page being protected.
While the page was protected, it was agreed to restore an earlier version of the page as the starting point for frther discussion. This was done [3] by User:CambridgeBayWeather, who also accepted a further request to correct some links [4].
The version I have restored is as per the last edit by CambridgeBayWeather -- see diff [5]. This reversion may have lost some good changes as well as those contested, but sadly that is an inevitable consequence of the failure too settle the disputed issues.
Please may I ask yet again that SleepCovo discuss our disagreements and refrain from reinstating the contested edits until consensus has been reached. To facilitate the discussion, I have created a separate section below for the substantive discussion on this point.-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:21, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
It is hard to track exactly what changes are made by SleepCovo, because SleepCovo refuses to use edit summaries. An edit without an explained purpose makes it more likely that any change will be reverted, but its intent and effect are unclear.
Furthermore, any explanations which SleepCovo gives on this talk page are mixed up with attacks on me. Let's keep the two separate.
So, to help us reach agreement, please SleepCovo set out in numbered-list form what changes you think need to be made. then we can see what we agree on, and discuss the remainnder. Please, keep this section only for discussion about the substance of the article. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I gather there has been a disagreement as to whether wives of peers should be listed under their titles. It doesn't really matter when the husband's title is the same as his surname (Astor, Noel-Buxton, Borwick), but it seems wholly obfuscatory to list the Duchess of Atholl and Ladies Apsley and Tweedsmuir under names (Stewart-Murray, Bathurst and Buchan) by which they were never known while in Parliament, or even outside it. Opera hat ( talk) 09:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Please note that the practice of listing the MPs only by their given names is also followed the two major websites which track Parliament, and by Parliament itself. See the listings for Victoria Borwick (aka Lady Borwick):
On what policy basis is SleepCovo arguing that en.wp should abandon its WP:COMMONNAME principle, and adopt some sort of formal title which is not even used by Parliament itself? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Some time ago, to reduce visual clutter, I removed postnomials (QC, OBE, etc) from the main body of the list, and moved them to footnotes.
These items are quite properly included in the linked biographical articles. However, the purpose of this list is to identify the MPs, not to note all the other positions and honours or titles they may have held. Moving this info to footnotes is less visually cluttering than having the title in the body of the list, but in most cases it adds a footnote link which would not otherwise exist.
I propose removing all reference to postnomials from the list and from footnotes. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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On list of female MP’s in the UK. The figures are totally wrong e.g. it says there are 35 Conservative women when actually there are 87, and it says the total women is 67 when actually it is over 200...sort it out please. Liamdaniel981 ( talk) 18:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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