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so are we gonna exclude the youngest 2600 thing still? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_chess_players&type=revision&diff=1059888648&oldid=1059868715 i mean come on top peak FIDE has the youngest 2800 thing... /info/en/?search=List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating#2800+
Thewriter006 ( talk) 02:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
In 1991, Susan Polgar became the first woman to achieve the GM title through three conventional norms. Later that year at age 15, her younger sister Judit Polgar became the youngest Grandmaster in history among men or women, breaking the previous record set by Bobby Fischer. --> ok good but please mention Judit broke Susan's record, Susan broke Maia's record. See the 'Youngest female grandmaster ever at the time' here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_chess_players&oldid=1059868715
Thewriter006 ( talk) 09:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I guess that the explanation of how Gaprindashvili got her title is taken from Graham. However, Graham's account looks rather shaky to me. First, Gaprindashvili had two tournaments, not just one, in which she fell a half point shy of a GM norm: Sandomierz 1976 and Dortmund 1978. Second, the arithmetic is wrong in the sentence "Nona was two or three games short of the requirements", whether you count just Lone Pine and Dortmund, or you count Sandomierz, Lone Pine, and Dortmund. Third, where is he getting his account of how FIDE, somehow anticipating by several months an overhaul of their title requirements, magnanimously created a loophole for a player applying under the current requirements? This looks implausible at best. In editing Nona Gaprindashvili, I have refrained from trying to come up with an explanation for the discrepancy between the two near-miss norms and the title awarded. I note, by the way, that a GM title had similarly been awarded to Rosendo Balinas, based on one eye-catching GM norm at Odessa 1976, and two near-misses in earlier tournaments. Unless one can find more convincing documentation of FIDE's logic, I would recommend treating Gaprindashvili's title award similarly in this article to how I have treated it in the biography article, and remove the dubious "Gaprindashvili: FIDE decision" notation in the Direct Awards section. Bruce leverett ( talk) 04:36, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Chess.com claims that QiYu Zhou is a women's grandmaster, https://www.chess.com/players/nemo-qiyu-zhou
"Zhou became a woman international master after winning the 2015 North American U-18 Championship and made all her woman grandmaster norms that same year. She then became the first Canadian woman grandmaster and won the Canadian Women's Championship a year later in 2016."
I don't see her mentioned on the Wikipedia list of women grandmasters, nor even on the lists of female chess players. If the first omission is due to a 'technicality' regarding FIDE norms/recognitions vs. other systems, perhaps a paragraph can be added to the women grandmaster list explaining or noting the discrepancy for the casual observer?* But in any case, why is she not listed on the "otherwise renowned" women in chess page?
172.98.219.221 ( talk) 06:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
What sources are used for the claims that some players are "active" and others are not? What are the criteria for determining if a player is "active"?
The background color for Zhu Jiner is white, but presumably should be gray, since the little superscript circle indicates that she is considered active. Bruce leverett ( talk) 16:47, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
At present, the distinction between WGM and GM is noted both in the main text and in note A. This can't be right.
Formerly it was noted only in note A. Generally, when we have an article about X, and we want to warn readers that X is not the same as Y, we can mention the distinction in the main text, or mention it in a note, or somehow balance them with a little of both.
Perhaps the right Wikipedia tool to use is a hatnote. Woman grandmaster redirects to the appropriate paragraph of FIDE titles, so that would give the confused reader something to look at. See WP:Hatnote for more details.
I did not object to using note A, because the discussion of WGM in that note is really too distracting to use in the main text. Moreover, space in the first paragraph of an article, let alone the second sentence of that paragraph, is expensive real estate. Following MOS:LEAD, we should go to great lengths to avoid talking about tangential things like WGM at that point in the article. Bruce leverett ( talk) 03:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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so are we gonna exclude the youngest 2600 thing still? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_chess_players&type=revision&diff=1059888648&oldid=1059868715 i mean come on top peak FIDE has the youngest 2800 thing... /info/en/?search=List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating#2800+
Thewriter006 ( talk) 02:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
In 1991, Susan Polgar became the first woman to achieve the GM title through three conventional norms. Later that year at age 15, her younger sister Judit Polgar became the youngest Grandmaster in history among men or women, breaking the previous record set by Bobby Fischer. --> ok good but please mention Judit broke Susan's record, Susan broke Maia's record. See the 'Youngest female grandmaster ever at the time' here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_chess_players&oldid=1059868715
Thewriter006 ( talk) 09:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I guess that the explanation of how Gaprindashvili got her title is taken from Graham. However, Graham's account looks rather shaky to me. First, Gaprindashvili had two tournaments, not just one, in which she fell a half point shy of a GM norm: Sandomierz 1976 and Dortmund 1978. Second, the arithmetic is wrong in the sentence "Nona was two or three games short of the requirements", whether you count just Lone Pine and Dortmund, or you count Sandomierz, Lone Pine, and Dortmund. Third, where is he getting his account of how FIDE, somehow anticipating by several months an overhaul of their title requirements, magnanimously created a loophole for a player applying under the current requirements? This looks implausible at best. In editing Nona Gaprindashvili, I have refrained from trying to come up with an explanation for the discrepancy between the two near-miss norms and the title awarded. I note, by the way, that a GM title had similarly been awarded to Rosendo Balinas, based on one eye-catching GM norm at Odessa 1976, and two near-misses in earlier tournaments. Unless one can find more convincing documentation of FIDE's logic, I would recommend treating Gaprindashvili's title award similarly in this article to how I have treated it in the biography article, and remove the dubious "Gaprindashvili: FIDE decision" notation in the Direct Awards section. Bruce leverett ( talk) 04:36, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Chess.com claims that QiYu Zhou is a women's grandmaster, https://www.chess.com/players/nemo-qiyu-zhou
"Zhou became a woman international master after winning the 2015 North American U-18 Championship and made all her woman grandmaster norms that same year. She then became the first Canadian woman grandmaster and won the Canadian Women's Championship a year later in 2016."
I don't see her mentioned on the Wikipedia list of women grandmasters, nor even on the lists of female chess players. If the first omission is due to a 'technicality' regarding FIDE norms/recognitions vs. other systems, perhaps a paragraph can be added to the women grandmaster list explaining or noting the discrepancy for the casual observer?* But in any case, why is she not listed on the "otherwise renowned" women in chess page?
172.98.219.221 ( talk) 06:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
What sources are used for the claims that some players are "active" and others are not? What are the criteria for determining if a player is "active"?
The background color for Zhu Jiner is white, but presumably should be gray, since the little superscript circle indicates that she is considered active. Bruce leverett ( talk) 16:47, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
At present, the distinction between WGM and GM is noted both in the main text and in note A. This can't be right.
Formerly it was noted only in note A. Generally, when we have an article about X, and we want to warn readers that X is not the same as Y, we can mention the distinction in the main text, or mention it in a note, or somehow balance them with a little of both.
Perhaps the right Wikipedia tool to use is a hatnote. Woman grandmaster redirects to the appropriate paragraph of FIDE titles, so that would give the confused reader something to look at. See WP:Hatnote for more details.
I did not object to using note A, because the discussion of WGM in that note is really too distracting to use in the main text. Moreover, space in the first paragraph of an article, let alone the second sentence of that paragraph, is expensive real estate. Following MOS:LEAD, we should go to great lengths to avoid talking about tangential things like WGM at that point in the article. Bruce leverett ( talk) 03:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)