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Some write-in candidates did receive votes in presidential elections, for example according to http://www.ballot-access.org/1996/allvotes96.html and http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe1996/presge.htm , the other FEC records, http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G00/PresidentLong.html , http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/ElectionsVoter/results1980s.aspx?Section=425 & http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1988/pres.htm http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/90/1996/gen/gen.htm and United States presidential election, 2004 (detail):
Year | Name | State | Votes |
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1984 | Henry King [1] | Ohio | 2 |
1988 | Henry King [2] | Ohio | 157 |
1992 | Henry King [3] | Ohio | 10 |
1996 | Barbara Bush | Delaware | 1 |
1996 | Dan S. Burkhardt [4] | Ohio | 11 |
1996 | Harriet H. Gleason | Maryland | 3 |
1996 | Caroline Killeen [5] | Arizona | 11 |
1996 | Jennifer Kosharsky | Illinois | 2 |
1996 | Clarene J. Trambley | Utah | 4 |
1996 | Debra L. Axtell Schultz [6] | Utah | 3 |
2000 | May Chote [7] | Florida | 34 |
2000 | Rachelle OneFamily Miller | Maryland | 3 |
2000 | Beatrice J. Mooney | Minnesota | 7 |
2000 | Raj Alison Officewala | Maryland | 3 |
2000 | Gloria Dawn Strickland | Maryland | 1 |
2004 | Deborah Elaine Allen | Texas | 92 |
2004 | Joann Breivogel | Illinois | 1 |
2004 | Hillary Clinton | Rhode Island | 8 |
2004 | Joy Graham-Prendergast | Minnesota | 1 |
2004 | Debra Joyce Renderos | Minnesota | 2 |
"Washington Peace. For President, Mrs. Ellen Linea W. Jensen', 50-year-old Miami grandmother and astrologist who claims to be in close communion with George Washington "on the other side"; for Vice President, a man whose identity Mrs. Jensen doesn't feel free to reveal. Candidate Jensen, who says she was a "Himalayan Master" in a previous incarnation, promises to stamp out Communism "within nine minutes" of her inauguration. Though her party is "very loosely organized" and has only "a bare possibility" of getting on the ballot in Texas and Washington, Mrs. Jensen believes she is a shoo-in, since her horoscope is favorable." "It's a Free County" TIME Magazine September 1, 1952 Did she actually get on the ballot? Possibly Ellen W. Jensen ( October 29, 1897 — October 13, 1991) of Washington (from Social Security Death Index).
Agnes Waters candidate of American Women's Party or National Woman's Party, founded by Blanche Winters, a right-wing party in 1948 or 1952. Ballot status, write-in? Шизомби ( talk) 15:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
This site http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1980/presEle.htm says Deirdre Griswold's running mate was Naomi Cohen, not Gavrielle Holmes. It says Angela Davis' running mate was Ed Clark (also the Libertarian Party candidate for President that year), not Gus Hall. It says Wretha Hanson was Barry Commoner's running mate, not La Donna Harris. Commoner received 8,564 votes. [1] It says Matilde Zimmerman's running mate was Richard H. Congress not Andrew Pulley. This Johnson County, Iowa site http://www.johnson-county.com/auditor/returns/8011rtn.htm has Hall/Davis, DeBeery/Zimmerman, Commoner/Harris, and Griswold isn't present. This site http://www.elections.state.ri.us/Misc_Elect/1980.htm has Hall/Davis, Griswold/Holmes, Debeery/Zimmerman, and Commoner isn't present. This site http://www.co.wood.oh.us/Boe/Wood%20County,%201980-1989.pdf has Griswold/Cohen; Clark/Davis; Commoner Hanson (Wretha Wiley Hanson); Congress/Zimmerman.
This site http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1984/presEle.htm says Gavrielle Holmes' running mate was Milton Vera not Gloria LaRiva, and that Melvin T. Mason's running mate was Matilde Zimmerman not Andrea Gonzalez. This Johnson County, Iowa site http://www.johnson-county.com/auditor/returns/8411rtn.htm has the Mason/Zimmerman ticket but not the Holmes one at all. This site http://www.elections.state.ri.us/Misc_Elect/1984.htm has Holmes/Vera, Mason/Zimmerman.
This site http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1988/presEle.htm says Naomi Cohen was Larry Holmes' running mate, not Gloria LaRiva. Perhaps there was some reason LaRiva couldn't be on the ballot in Ohio? 12:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/index.php/about-us/historical-information/presidential-candidates has different info than Wikipedia, and doesn't specify which states tickets were on the ballot in.
Eugene McCarthy: " he came to have a grand total of 15 running mates in states where he was required to have one. At least eight of his running mates were women." http://special.lib.umn.edu/rare/mccarthy.phtml
Possibly there are others of Nader's and Fulani's too... and in any case, the specific vote totals for specific tickets need to be run down. Шизомби ( talk) 15:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Both of these lists completely excluded any candidates from the two major parties until just now, when I added some candidacies to the presidential list. Information should be added to the vice presidential list, and then the NPOV tag should be removed. • Freechild 'sup? 16:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
What about candidates who failed to get a nomination for a major party but then ran as an independent? That is still a candidate! I am thinking in particular of Shirley Chisolm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.97.121 ( talk) 22:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
http://www.jofreeman.com/politics/womprez03.htm may be helpful. Шизомби ( talk) 00:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Not sure how to handle them, as they can include people who aren't running for president at all, or who are not running for a specific party's nomination at all. E.g. in 2008, Barbara Boxer, Cynthia McKinney, Candice Miller, and Condoleezza Rice got votes in these, but they were not running for the Democratic or Republican nominations. I suppose the solution is to do somewhat as Project Vote Smart does, "All "Announced" candidates have formed or announced a Presidential exploratory or campaign committee with the Federal Election Commission or filed a statement of candidacy. "Potential" candidates have publicly expressed an interest in a Presidential campaign or their interest has been suggested by the media." Thus, to include votes for announced candidates, and exclude votes for potential candidates. Though I could see how the latter could be interesting to include as well. Шизомби ( talk) 15:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I have added Sarah Palin to the list along with a note that while it has been widely reported by media, McCain has not made an official announcement. Once he does, I (or someone else, depending on whether I am home or away) should remove the note. Smartyllama ( talk) 14:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Stumbled across this http://cheryllindseyseelhoffforpresident.wordpress.com/ indicating an intention to run for President under the "Free Soil Party" but no mention of a vice-presidential candidate or ballot access that I've come across yet, or whether she received any write-in votes. Might deserve further investigation; she does seem to be someone who may merit an article of her own even if she doesn't qualify for this list. Шизомби ( talk) 00:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I propose to add another table, to list women who were asked to be candidates for President or Vice President, where either the woman who was asked or the person who asked her is notable (and is the subject of an article in Wikipedia), where the request is sourced either in this list or in the related article, and if the woman does not qualify for a table already in the list. I discovered one such woman and I think it's historically important that a popular President in the 1950s thought a woman could win the Presidency, since he asked her, even though she didn't run. I'll wait a week for any comment and, if known, any additional women. Nick Levinson ( talk) 16:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
A table of women invited to be candidates was recently deleted. However, the scope of the table and the instructions for populating it (in a comment visible only in edit mode) were clear (not too amorphous), it qualifies for due weight, it is historically interesting, and the notability required for populating the table means the table would qualify for Wikipedia even as a stand-alone page. Probably Rice, Palin, or Clinton qualifies, assuming we know of someone notable and with a Wikipedia article who invited her candidacy, and I guess Feinstein or Landreau too, and in that case we can add each to the table. The possibility of adding any or all and perhaps others does not mean the table should be deleted. If the table were to get to be too large, that would probably be due to modern cases when being a woman who is a candidate is less newsworthy without more, but if that happens we could set a year as a cut-off or limit it to Presidential invitees, on the basis that only older cases or for the top office warrant weight, but the table would not be too large with just six women. I propose essentially to revert the recent deletion. As an alternative, I could create a new article for the table, but I think there's both relevance and room to include it in this article. I'll wait a week for any response. Nick Levinson ( talk) 17:16, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
The two party nominee tables in this article work pretty well, since the total number of votes gives an easily understood metric of which candidacies attracted the most support. But the next two tables, the candidates for party nomination, don't present well. It's hard to see at a glance which are the major party candidates and which are the minor; it confuses women who were really running with women who just picked up a stray vote or two at a convention; and it gives incommensurate figures in the same column. Will the reader looking at this be able to tell that Shirley Chisholm is the second-most successful female nomination candidate ever? Not easily. Will they be able to tell that Michele Bachmann was a serious candidate during the year before the primaries and who participated in many presidential nomination debates and who won the Iowa Straw Poll? No. Will they be able to tell that Elvena Lloyd-Duffie's second- and third-place primary finishes are not very significant since Bill Clinton was running for renomination unopposed by any serious candidates that year? No. At a minimum, I think the "Details" column should be split into three - total primary votes, total delegates, and other comments. That would better allow readers to see who the more successful candidates have been. Wasted Time R ( talk) 10:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hillary isn't the nominee yet. Andrevan @ 16:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I think the sort order should be by date, either ascending date or descending date, i don't care, but right now the ordering seems arbitrary and to sort it by anything other than date of not very encyclopedic. I think the background coloring is unnecessary and demonstrates a violation of NPOV. -- Jeff ( talk) 16:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
What purpose does it serve? It seems to rank by vote total, but vote total has its own column (it'd be easy enough to use {{ sort}} to ensure Hillary 2016 is at the top while her vote total is not finalized). – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
The number column is completely unnecessary. If it requires a popular votes, it should come after the actual historic data. Hillary 2016 results should be removed until election results released. -- 182.161.14.178 ( talk) 23:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
There is someone editing this article and adding this language:
"Although the establishment and the corporate media have declared her the nominee and based on the assumption that Senator Sanders will back her" "it, needs to be noted that the DNC allotted all the Super Delegates to Secretary Clinton even before anybody else had declared candidacy for the Democratic nomination. Currently several states have resolved, at their state conventions, to eliminate the system of super delegates which is inherently undemocratic."
How is this encyclopedic? I deleted this language. Not only is not encyclopedic but it is factually incorrect. Not "all" superdelegates declared for Clinton before the primaries began.
Also on the table that lists all presidential candidates by popular vote, Jill Stein is listed as "presumptive nominee" and someone changed Hillary Clinton from "presumptive nominee" to "awaiting convention". How is Jill Stein the presumptive nominee from the Green Party but Hillary Clinton is not the presumptive nominee from the Democratic Party? One can cite MULTIPLE news articles declaring Hillary Clinton the presumptive nominee, even President Obama referred to her as such. Even Bernie Sanders has admitted that it is not likely that he will be the nominee. He is no longer talking about trying to flip superdelegates in order to force a "contested convention". 2601:146:C300:A695:5496:E9AA:F83F:B04 ( talk) 04:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Danny Boy
The presumptuousness of declaring Hillary Clinton the "nominee" was noted long before President Obama's comment about her. Correct my language for its suitability, but not for its veracity, please. This information appearing on Wikipedia must be critical of our electoral process to preserve the history of 2016 in real time. In the entire article, there was not one mention of the Senator Bernie Sanders except the latest and recent reference to Dr. Jill Stein's offer to him on behalf of the Green Party. The word "Presumptive" was injected into the conversation by the media as a last resort to force the idea. So, correct it to sound more "encyclopedic" but do not please dispute the information or delete it. That will be dishonest for an "Encyclopedia." To answer Danny Boy's point: Dr. Jill Stein's party has no other candidate listed as contesting the candidacy. Democrat party has two candidates for the nomination. Quite a significant difference and surely not a valid argument in ~ support of the correction I had made. Hroychow ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
The "General election candidates" table was already redundant when it was first added as "Presidential candidates by popular vote" back in March 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=next&oldid=712773360 It was made marginally less redundant by the arbitrary threshold for that table of 30,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=prev&oldid=712784113 However, given that one can click the vote column in the other tables and thereby have the columns sorted by number of votes descending from the highest number of votes to lowest number, those tables still are quite redundant and contribute to making an already long page that much longer.
The 30,000 threshold was removed on November 10, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=prev&oldid=748895584
The "General election candidates" table is headed by the explanation "This list includes female candidates who have run or are currently running for President of the United States in a general election and are sorted by the number of votes they received in the election." It does not explain what makes that table different from the "Party nominees" table that follows it.
The "Primary election candidates" table was added on November 11, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=cur&oldid=748895584
The "Primary election candidates" table is headed by the explanation "This list includes female candidates for a party nomination for President of the United States who ran in at least one primary or caucus, sorted by the number of votes they received during their run." It does not explain what makes that table different from the "Not nominated by party" table that follows it. Patsy Mink, the most recent addition to the "Primary election candidates" table is Patsy Mink https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=749400611&oldid=749220454 who received 8,286 votes. That's below the 30,000 threshold for the "Presidential candidates by popular vote" table from which the "Primary election candidates" table had been created. She was already on the "Not nominated by party" table.
Perhaps there is a justification for having redundant tables (and/or a way of making them not so redundant), but at present the justification doesn't appear in the article. Any editor who can justify them ought to add an explanation to the article that indicates what makes those tables different than the other tables! The photos are a nice addition, at least, and I'm glad there's some other editors who at least find the topic interesting enough to get involved!
For my own part, I think better things to focus on would include: sourcing information, adding candidates who aren't in the article at all (I recently found some that were missed), determining for third party candidates the extent of their ballot access, finding a better way of listing information in the "Details" columns, which has never been satisfying the way it is. Maybe adding columns for the percentage of the total popular vote.
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The page mentions Woodhall as the first woman to run, however she was constitutionally unable to be president due to her age. This should be reflected on the page, either in her picture at the beginning, adding the first eligible woman, or removing Woodhall. IEditThingsForYou ( talk) 18:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
In the 2020 Presidential election cycle, there are currently 6 women in the Democratic Party running for President: Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, Tulsi Gabbard, and Marianne Williamson. When will they be added to the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.30 ( talk) 21:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This seems to be the only table unsorted by date as a default. Any issues with making this change? -- Mr. Vernon ( talk) 05:16, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
"Debate stage" should be defined better in some way.
"As a major party nominee, Clinton became the first woman to participate in a presidential debate"; "Prior to the 2020 United States presidential election cycle, only five women throughout history had made it to a debate stage: Democrats Shirley Chisholm (in 1972), Carol Moseley Braun (in 2004), and Hillary Clinton (in 2008 and 2016), and Republicans Michele Bachmann (in 2012) and Carly Fiorina (in 2016); there had never been more than one woman on the debate stage at one time, and there had never been more than two women running per party at one time." etc.
Multiple women have been in debates prior to third party primaries, and multiple women who were third party nominees for president have been in debates with other third party candidates. Sometimes those may have involved more than one, or more than two running per party.
The distinction that the article text seems to be trying to make has to do with major party candidates. That should be explicitly stated in some way. The type of debate should also be specified, and it might not hurt to have specific dates and citations. I leave it to the active editors of the list to work out the best wording, though. I'm barely a lurker at present. Шизомби (Sz) ( talk) 04:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
We should add the 2020 Libertarian candidate for president, Jo Jorgenson: Dkalweit ( talk) 21:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
I question the highlighting of Jill Stein and Jo Jorgensen in the multiple image box. Their candidacies are certainly of some note, but surely there are more notable "firsts" than being the first nominee of third-parties. For instance, Geraldine Ferraro being the first major-party VP nominee (for the Democrats) and Sarah Palin being the Republican Party's first female VP nominee. Or Margaret Chase Smith being the first female candidate for a major party's nomination. SecretName101 ( talk) 00:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Would a new section be appropriate for women that have run for both vie and president? I believe jo Jorgensen is the first female to have run for both Vice President and president. Tgmod ( talk) 02:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
The lists General election candidates by popular vote and Primary election candidates are currently listing number of votes, and sorts by that number. What is the rationale behind that? I don't have enough context to know whether this is a consistent reliable indicator over the decades, but it would make much more sense to me to add the percentage of the total vote, and sort by that percentage instead. For all I know, the 1964 primaries were held in a very different fashion, and if 7100 votes was actually out of a total of 25,000 that would give an entirely different meaning to the number. Any thoughts? effeiets anders 03:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
How is Kamala Harris going to be listed when she becomes the official Democratic nominee after the convention? Harris is expected to be chosen by the delegates but didn't actually win any primaries since it was Biden running. Will Biden's tally be listed since she was originally the VP candidate? I guess it is something to discuss if and when she becomes the official nominee. cookie monster 755 17:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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Some write-in candidates did receive votes in presidential elections, for example according to http://www.ballot-access.org/1996/allvotes96.html and http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe1996/presge.htm , the other FEC records, http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G00/PresidentLong.html , http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/ElectionsVoter/results1980s.aspx?Section=425 & http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1988/pres.htm http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/90/1996/gen/gen.htm and United States presidential election, 2004 (detail):
Year | Name | State | Votes |
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1984 | Henry King [1] | Ohio | 2 |
1988 | Henry King [2] | Ohio | 157 |
1992 | Henry King [3] | Ohio | 10 |
1996 | Barbara Bush | Delaware | 1 |
1996 | Dan S. Burkhardt [4] | Ohio | 11 |
1996 | Harriet H. Gleason | Maryland | 3 |
1996 | Caroline Killeen [5] | Arizona | 11 |
1996 | Jennifer Kosharsky | Illinois | 2 |
1996 | Clarene J. Trambley | Utah | 4 |
1996 | Debra L. Axtell Schultz [6] | Utah | 3 |
2000 | May Chote [7] | Florida | 34 |
2000 | Rachelle OneFamily Miller | Maryland | 3 |
2000 | Beatrice J. Mooney | Minnesota | 7 |
2000 | Raj Alison Officewala | Maryland | 3 |
2000 | Gloria Dawn Strickland | Maryland | 1 |
2004 | Deborah Elaine Allen | Texas | 92 |
2004 | Joann Breivogel | Illinois | 1 |
2004 | Hillary Clinton | Rhode Island | 8 |
2004 | Joy Graham-Prendergast | Minnesota | 1 |
2004 | Debra Joyce Renderos | Minnesota | 2 |
"Washington Peace. For President, Mrs. Ellen Linea W. Jensen', 50-year-old Miami grandmother and astrologist who claims to be in close communion with George Washington "on the other side"; for Vice President, a man whose identity Mrs. Jensen doesn't feel free to reveal. Candidate Jensen, who says she was a "Himalayan Master" in a previous incarnation, promises to stamp out Communism "within nine minutes" of her inauguration. Though her party is "very loosely organized" and has only "a bare possibility" of getting on the ballot in Texas and Washington, Mrs. Jensen believes she is a shoo-in, since her horoscope is favorable." "It's a Free County" TIME Magazine September 1, 1952 Did she actually get on the ballot? Possibly Ellen W. Jensen ( October 29, 1897 — October 13, 1991) of Washington (from Social Security Death Index).
Agnes Waters candidate of American Women's Party or National Woman's Party, founded by Blanche Winters, a right-wing party in 1948 or 1952. Ballot status, write-in? Шизомби ( talk) 15:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
This site http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1980/presEle.htm says Deirdre Griswold's running mate was Naomi Cohen, not Gavrielle Holmes. It says Angela Davis' running mate was Ed Clark (also the Libertarian Party candidate for President that year), not Gus Hall. It says Wretha Hanson was Barry Commoner's running mate, not La Donna Harris. Commoner received 8,564 votes. [1] It says Matilde Zimmerman's running mate was Richard H. Congress not Andrew Pulley. This Johnson County, Iowa site http://www.johnson-county.com/auditor/returns/8011rtn.htm has Hall/Davis, DeBeery/Zimmerman, Commoner/Harris, and Griswold isn't present. This site http://www.elections.state.ri.us/Misc_Elect/1980.htm has Hall/Davis, Griswold/Holmes, Debeery/Zimmerman, and Commoner isn't present. This site http://www.co.wood.oh.us/Boe/Wood%20County,%201980-1989.pdf has Griswold/Cohen; Clark/Davis; Commoner Hanson (Wretha Wiley Hanson); Congress/Zimmerman.
This site http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1984/presEle.htm says Gavrielle Holmes' running mate was Milton Vera not Gloria LaRiva, and that Melvin T. Mason's running mate was Matilde Zimmerman not Andrea Gonzalez. This Johnson County, Iowa site http://www.johnson-county.com/auditor/returns/8411rtn.htm has the Mason/Zimmerman ticket but not the Holmes one at all. This site http://www.elections.state.ri.us/Misc_Elect/1984.htm has Holmes/Vera, Mason/Zimmerman.
This site http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/80/1988/presEle.htm says Naomi Cohen was Larry Holmes' running mate, not Gloria LaRiva. Perhaps there was some reason LaRiva couldn't be on the ballot in Ohio? 12:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/index.php/about-us/historical-information/presidential-candidates has different info than Wikipedia, and doesn't specify which states tickets were on the ballot in.
Eugene McCarthy: " he came to have a grand total of 15 running mates in states where he was required to have one. At least eight of his running mates were women." http://special.lib.umn.edu/rare/mccarthy.phtml
Possibly there are others of Nader's and Fulani's too... and in any case, the specific vote totals for specific tickets need to be run down. Шизомби ( talk) 15:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Both of these lists completely excluded any candidates from the two major parties until just now, when I added some candidacies to the presidential list. Information should be added to the vice presidential list, and then the NPOV tag should be removed. • Freechild 'sup? 16:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
What about candidates who failed to get a nomination for a major party but then ran as an independent? That is still a candidate! I am thinking in particular of Shirley Chisolm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.97.121 ( talk) 22:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
http://www.jofreeman.com/politics/womprez03.htm may be helpful. Шизомби ( talk) 00:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Not sure how to handle them, as they can include people who aren't running for president at all, or who are not running for a specific party's nomination at all. E.g. in 2008, Barbara Boxer, Cynthia McKinney, Candice Miller, and Condoleezza Rice got votes in these, but they were not running for the Democratic or Republican nominations. I suppose the solution is to do somewhat as Project Vote Smart does, "All "Announced" candidates have formed or announced a Presidential exploratory or campaign committee with the Federal Election Commission or filed a statement of candidacy. "Potential" candidates have publicly expressed an interest in a Presidential campaign or their interest has been suggested by the media." Thus, to include votes for announced candidates, and exclude votes for potential candidates. Though I could see how the latter could be interesting to include as well. Шизомби ( talk) 15:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I have added Sarah Palin to the list along with a note that while it has been widely reported by media, McCain has not made an official announcement. Once he does, I (or someone else, depending on whether I am home or away) should remove the note. Smartyllama ( talk) 14:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Stumbled across this http://cheryllindseyseelhoffforpresident.wordpress.com/ indicating an intention to run for President under the "Free Soil Party" but no mention of a vice-presidential candidate or ballot access that I've come across yet, or whether she received any write-in votes. Might deserve further investigation; she does seem to be someone who may merit an article of her own even if she doesn't qualify for this list. Шизомби ( talk) 00:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I propose to add another table, to list women who were asked to be candidates for President or Vice President, where either the woman who was asked or the person who asked her is notable (and is the subject of an article in Wikipedia), where the request is sourced either in this list or in the related article, and if the woman does not qualify for a table already in the list. I discovered one such woman and I think it's historically important that a popular President in the 1950s thought a woman could win the Presidency, since he asked her, even though she didn't run. I'll wait a week for any comment and, if known, any additional women. Nick Levinson ( talk) 16:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
A table of women invited to be candidates was recently deleted. However, the scope of the table and the instructions for populating it (in a comment visible only in edit mode) were clear (not too amorphous), it qualifies for due weight, it is historically interesting, and the notability required for populating the table means the table would qualify for Wikipedia even as a stand-alone page. Probably Rice, Palin, or Clinton qualifies, assuming we know of someone notable and with a Wikipedia article who invited her candidacy, and I guess Feinstein or Landreau too, and in that case we can add each to the table. The possibility of adding any or all and perhaps others does not mean the table should be deleted. If the table were to get to be too large, that would probably be due to modern cases when being a woman who is a candidate is less newsworthy without more, but if that happens we could set a year as a cut-off or limit it to Presidential invitees, on the basis that only older cases or for the top office warrant weight, but the table would not be too large with just six women. I propose essentially to revert the recent deletion. As an alternative, I could create a new article for the table, but I think there's both relevance and room to include it in this article. I'll wait a week for any response. Nick Levinson ( talk) 17:16, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
The two party nominee tables in this article work pretty well, since the total number of votes gives an easily understood metric of which candidacies attracted the most support. But the next two tables, the candidates for party nomination, don't present well. It's hard to see at a glance which are the major party candidates and which are the minor; it confuses women who were really running with women who just picked up a stray vote or two at a convention; and it gives incommensurate figures in the same column. Will the reader looking at this be able to tell that Shirley Chisholm is the second-most successful female nomination candidate ever? Not easily. Will they be able to tell that Michele Bachmann was a serious candidate during the year before the primaries and who participated in many presidential nomination debates and who won the Iowa Straw Poll? No. Will they be able to tell that Elvena Lloyd-Duffie's second- and third-place primary finishes are not very significant since Bill Clinton was running for renomination unopposed by any serious candidates that year? No. At a minimum, I think the "Details" column should be split into three - total primary votes, total delegates, and other comments. That would better allow readers to see who the more successful candidates have been. Wasted Time R ( talk) 10:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hillary isn't the nominee yet. Andrevan @ 16:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I think the sort order should be by date, either ascending date or descending date, i don't care, but right now the ordering seems arbitrary and to sort it by anything other than date of not very encyclopedic. I think the background coloring is unnecessary and demonstrates a violation of NPOV. -- Jeff ( talk) 16:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
What purpose does it serve? It seems to rank by vote total, but vote total has its own column (it'd be easy enough to use {{ sort}} to ensure Hillary 2016 is at the top while her vote total is not finalized). – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
The number column is completely unnecessary. If it requires a popular votes, it should come after the actual historic data. Hillary 2016 results should be removed until election results released. -- 182.161.14.178 ( talk) 23:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
There is someone editing this article and adding this language:
"Although the establishment and the corporate media have declared her the nominee and based on the assumption that Senator Sanders will back her" "it, needs to be noted that the DNC allotted all the Super Delegates to Secretary Clinton even before anybody else had declared candidacy for the Democratic nomination. Currently several states have resolved, at their state conventions, to eliminate the system of super delegates which is inherently undemocratic."
How is this encyclopedic? I deleted this language. Not only is not encyclopedic but it is factually incorrect. Not "all" superdelegates declared for Clinton before the primaries began.
Also on the table that lists all presidential candidates by popular vote, Jill Stein is listed as "presumptive nominee" and someone changed Hillary Clinton from "presumptive nominee" to "awaiting convention". How is Jill Stein the presumptive nominee from the Green Party but Hillary Clinton is not the presumptive nominee from the Democratic Party? One can cite MULTIPLE news articles declaring Hillary Clinton the presumptive nominee, even President Obama referred to her as such. Even Bernie Sanders has admitted that it is not likely that he will be the nominee. He is no longer talking about trying to flip superdelegates in order to force a "contested convention". 2601:146:C300:A695:5496:E9AA:F83F:B04 ( talk) 04:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Danny Boy
The presumptuousness of declaring Hillary Clinton the "nominee" was noted long before President Obama's comment about her. Correct my language for its suitability, but not for its veracity, please. This information appearing on Wikipedia must be critical of our electoral process to preserve the history of 2016 in real time. In the entire article, there was not one mention of the Senator Bernie Sanders except the latest and recent reference to Dr. Jill Stein's offer to him on behalf of the Green Party. The word "Presumptive" was injected into the conversation by the media as a last resort to force the idea. So, correct it to sound more "encyclopedic" but do not please dispute the information or delete it. That will be dishonest for an "Encyclopedia." To answer Danny Boy's point: Dr. Jill Stein's party has no other candidate listed as contesting the candidacy. Democrat party has two candidates for the nomination. Quite a significant difference and surely not a valid argument in ~ support of the correction I had made. Hroychow ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
The "General election candidates" table was already redundant when it was first added as "Presidential candidates by popular vote" back in March 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=next&oldid=712773360 It was made marginally less redundant by the arbitrary threshold for that table of 30,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=prev&oldid=712784113 However, given that one can click the vote column in the other tables and thereby have the columns sorted by number of votes descending from the highest number of votes to lowest number, those tables still are quite redundant and contribute to making an already long page that much longer.
The 30,000 threshold was removed on November 10, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=prev&oldid=748895584
The "General election candidates" table is headed by the explanation "This list includes female candidates who have run or are currently running for President of the United States in a general election and are sorted by the number of votes they received in the election." It does not explain what makes that table different from the "Party nominees" table that follows it.
The "Primary election candidates" table was added on November 11, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=cur&oldid=748895584
The "Primary election candidates" table is headed by the explanation "This list includes female candidates for a party nomination for President of the United States who ran in at least one primary or caucus, sorted by the number of votes they received during their run." It does not explain what makes that table different from the "Not nominated by party" table that follows it. Patsy Mink, the most recent addition to the "Primary election candidates" table is Patsy Mink https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates&diff=749400611&oldid=749220454 who received 8,286 votes. That's below the 30,000 threshold for the "Presidential candidates by popular vote" table from which the "Primary election candidates" table had been created. She was already on the "Not nominated by party" table.
Perhaps there is a justification for having redundant tables (and/or a way of making them not so redundant), but at present the justification doesn't appear in the article. Any editor who can justify them ought to add an explanation to the article that indicates what makes those tables different than the other tables! The photos are a nice addition, at least, and I'm glad there's some other editors who at least find the topic interesting enough to get involved!
For my own part, I think better things to focus on would include: sourcing information, adding candidates who aren't in the article at all (I recently found some that were missed), determining for third party candidates the extent of their ballot access, finding a better way of listing information in the "Details" columns, which has never been satisfying the way it is. Maybe adding columns for the percentage of the total popular vote.
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The page mentions Woodhall as the first woman to run, however she was constitutionally unable to be president due to her age. This should be reflected on the page, either in her picture at the beginning, adding the first eligible woman, or removing Woodhall. IEditThingsForYou ( talk) 18:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
In the 2020 Presidential election cycle, there are currently 6 women in the Democratic Party running for President: Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, Tulsi Gabbard, and Marianne Williamson. When will they be added to the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.30 ( talk) 21:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This seems to be the only table unsorted by date as a default. Any issues with making this change? -- Mr. Vernon ( talk) 05:16, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
"Debate stage" should be defined better in some way.
"As a major party nominee, Clinton became the first woman to participate in a presidential debate"; "Prior to the 2020 United States presidential election cycle, only five women throughout history had made it to a debate stage: Democrats Shirley Chisholm (in 1972), Carol Moseley Braun (in 2004), and Hillary Clinton (in 2008 and 2016), and Republicans Michele Bachmann (in 2012) and Carly Fiorina (in 2016); there had never been more than one woman on the debate stage at one time, and there had never been more than two women running per party at one time." etc.
Multiple women have been in debates prior to third party primaries, and multiple women who were third party nominees for president have been in debates with other third party candidates. Sometimes those may have involved more than one, or more than two running per party.
The distinction that the article text seems to be trying to make has to do with major party candidates. That should be explicitly stated in some way. The type of debate should also be specified, and it might not hurt to have specific dates and citations. I leave it to the active editors of the list to work out the best wording, though. I'm barely a lurker at present. Шизомби (Sz) ( talk) 04:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
We should add the 2020 Libertarian candidate for president, Jo Jorgenson: Dkalweit ( talk) 21:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
I question the highlighting of Jill Stein and Jo Jorgensen in the multiple image box. Their candidacies are certainly of some note, but surely there are more notable "firsts" than being the first nominee of third-parties. For instance, Geraldine Ferraro being the first major-party VP nominee (for the Democrats) and Sarah Palin being the Republican Party's first female VP nominee. Or Margaret Chase Smith being the first female candidate for a major party's nomination. SecretName101 ( talk) 00:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Would a new section be appropriate for women that have run for both vie and president? I believe jo Jorgensen is the first female to have run for both Vice President and president. Tgmod ( talk) 02:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
The lists General election candidates by popular vote and Primary election candidates are currently listing number of votes, and sorts by that number. What is the rationale behind that? I don't have enough context to know whether this is a consistent reliable indicator over the decades, but it would make much more sense to me to add the percentage of the total vote, and sort by that percentage instead. For all I know, the 1964 primaries were held in a very different fashion, and if 7100 votes was actually out of a total of 25,000 that would give an entirely different meaning to the number. Any thoughts? effeiets anders 03:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
How is Kamala Harris going to be listed when she becomes the official Democratic nominee after the convention? Harris is expected to be chosen by the delegates but didn't actually win any primaries since it was Biden running. Will Biden's tally be listed since she was originally the VP candidate? I guess it is something to discuss if and when she becomes the official nominee. cookie monster 755 17:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)