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I would like to explain why I removed the Kawasaki Ninja H2 and H2R from the list.
The Lightning LS-218 is a motorcycle that went into full production in 2014, reaching an eponymous top speed of 218 mph (350.84 km/h).
The Kawasaki Ninja H2 is a motorcycle that went into full production in 2015, reaching a top speed of 209.442 mph (337.06 km/h). This does not exceed the top speed record set by the LS-218.
The Kawasaki Ninja H2R is a motorcycle that went into limited production [1], and is not street legal. These two factors lend to the H2R not being considered a production vehicle as defined by the existent Wikipage. As a result, despite the H2R having set a speed record of 250 mph (which has not actually been independently verified), it does not qualify a position on this list, just as the Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+ is excluded from the production car speed record list.
Similar to that of the production car speed record Wikipage I believe that it would be best to include such disqualified vehicles into a "Motorcycles excluded from list" section so as to explain this.
DieSonneUnsLacht ( talk) 09:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for showing me that. I probably should have looked harder. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 21:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
5. street-legal in its intended markets, having fulfilled the homologation tests or inspections required under either a) United States of America, b) European Union law, or (c) Japan) to be granted this status
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Bringing up the topic about production motorcycles, considering that the early 20th century motorcycles in this list had been produced the same way like the MTT Turbe Superbike and that the promise of
user:Dennis Bratland "
As always, we will create an appropriate list for all these almost-stock, almost-production bikes in due course" has been unfulfilled, i do suggest:
To (re)include the
MTT Turbine Superbike into the list, since it meets the production criteria as well as many other motorcycles. Any opinions? --
Angerdan (
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15:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
I'll tell you the reason I haven't gotten around to it. I don't find this kind of thing that interesting. Making a bike that goes 200 mph and is street legal and is mass produced and doesn't bankrupt the company is interesting. Thousands and thousands of guys have gone in their garage and made one-off bikes that go crazy fast for a few tens of thousands. When a company with budgets of millions equals that achievement, it's not interesting to me. That's just me. Go ahead and start a new list.
FIM 1000 P-P class (aka Production 1000cc class) is another list, with more of a pedigree, that would also catch a lot of the edge cases we've been kicking around. If anyone wants to. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
I suggest to put the text about the List of fastest production motorcycles#Gentlemen's_agreement_to_end_competition into Sport bike. Reason: A list isn't the right place for an longer text. The motorbike article completely misses the describtion about the Gentlemen's agreement. Any comments? -- Angerdan ( talk) 15:41, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
It isn't really a goal of Wikipedia to find one and only one place for all content. Wikipedia:Abundance and redundancy explains some reasons, and WP:Summary style discusses the overall approach.
Here on this list we have some supplementary explanation below the list that gives critical information about why for a period these bikes didn't go above 300kph. The page is miles from being anything like "too long" and so there's no real reason to feel constrained about what can be here, But there's no reason the content can't appear in some form on both articles. The same content is also covered on Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R and Suzuki Hayabusa, which is fine too. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
See WP:SALORDER. Lists in reverse chronological order are extremely rare on Wikipedia and they're only for lists that need to be updated daily with new information arriving continuously. It's very hard to find any examples in the same category that aren't chronological and there's no special reason why motorcycles should be completely different from Production car speed record, List of fastest production cars by acceleration, Flight airspeed record, etc. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Not saying it isn't true but if we are being sticklers, then how does the "stock" 2023 BMW S1000RR manage 213 MPH? Everything I see posted claims that the engine is electronically rev limited to 14,600. The stock tire is 79.22" circumference. Even assuming zero frictional losses, that works out to a theoretical maximum top speed of 198 mph, and we all know that frictional losses are not zero.
So, just wondering. What's the explanation for this apparent anomaly? If it is "oh, that special S1000RR bike for the test had the rev limiter disabled" or "well, we fitted a special back tire" or whatever, then doesn't that invalidate it for the same reasons some of the other bikes were invalidated? Just asking. CoolBlueGlow ( talk) 23:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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I would like to explain why I removed the Kawasaki Ninja H2 and H2R from the list.
The Lightning LS-218 is a motorcycle that went into full production in 2014, reaching an eponymous top speed of 218 mph (350.84 km/h).
The Kawasaki Ninja H2 is a motorcycle that went into full production in 2015, reaching a top speed of 209.442 mph (337.06 km/h). This does not exceed the top speed record set by the LS-218.
The Kawasaki Ninja H2R is a motorcycle that went into limited production [1], and is not street legal. These two factors lend to the H2R not being considered a production vehicle as defined by the existent Wikipage. As a result, despite the H2R having set a speed record of 250 mph (which has not actually been independently verified), it does not qualify a position on this list, just as the Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+ is excluded from the production car speed record list.
Similar to that of the production car speed record Wikipage I believe that it would be best to include such disqualified vehicles into a "Motorcycles excluded from list" section so as to explain this.
DieSonneUnsLacht ( talk) 09:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for showing me that. I probably should have looked harder. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 21:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
5. street-legal in its intended markets, having fulfilled the homologation tests or inspections required under either a) United States of America, b) European Union law, or (c) Japan) to be granted this status
References
Bringing up the topic about production motorcycles, considering that the early 20th century motorcycles in this list had been produced the same way like the MTT Turbe Superbike and that the promise of
user:Dennis Bratland "
As always, we will create an appropriate list for all these almost-stock, almost-production bikes in due course" has been unfulfilled, i do suggest:
To (re)include the
MTT Turbine Superbike into the list, since it meets the production criteria as well as many other motorcycles. Any opinions? --
Angerdan (
talk)
15:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
I'll tell you the reason I haven't gotten around to it. I don't find this kind of thing that interesting. Making a bike that goes 200 mph and is street legal and is mass produced and doesn't bankrupt the company is interesting. Thousands and thousands of guys have gone in their garage and made one-off bikes that go crazy fast for a few tens of thousands. When a company with budgets of millions equals that achievement, it's not interesting to me. That's just me. Go ahead and start a new list.
FIM 1000 P-P class (aka Production 1000cc class) is another list, with more of a pedigree, that would also catch a lot of the edge cases we've been kicking around. If anyone wants to. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
I suggest to put the text about the List of fastest production motorcycles#Gentlemen's_agreement_to_end_competition into Sport bike. Reason: A list isn't the right place for an longer text. The motorbike article completely misses the describtion about the Gentlemen's agreement. Any comments? -- Angerdan ( talk) 15:41, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
It isn't really a goal of Wikipedia to find one and only one place for all content. Wikipedia:Abundance and redundancy explains some reasons, and WP:Summary style discusses the overall approach.
Here on this list we have some supplementary explanation below the list that gives critical information about why for a period these bikes didn't go above 300kph. The page is miles from being anything like "too long" and so there's no real reason to feel constrained about what can be here, But there's no reason the content can't appear in some form on both articles. The same content is also covered on Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R and Suzuki Hayabusa, which is fine too. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
See WP:SALORDER. Lists in reverse chronological order are extremely rare on Wikipedia and they're only for lists that need to be updated daily with new information arriving continuously. It's very hard to find any examples in the same category that aren't chronological and there's no special reason why motorcycles should be completely different from Production car speed record, List of fastest production cars by acceleration, Flight airspeed record, etc. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Not saying it isn't true but if we are being sticklers, then how does the "stock" 2023 BMW S1000RR manage 213 MPH? Everything I see posted claims that the engine is electronically rev limited to 14,600. The stock tire is 79.22" circumference. Even assuming zero frictional losses, that works out to a theoretical maximum top speed of 198 mph, and we all know that frictional losses are not zero.
So, just wondering. What's the explanation for this apparent anomaly? If it is "oh, that special S1000RR bike for the test had the rev limiter disabled" or "well, we fitted a special back tire" or whatever, then doesn't that invalidate it for the same reasons some of the other bikes were invalidated? Just asking. CoolBlueGlow ( talk) 23:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)