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There have been many individuals and organisations that have expressed opinions about Scottish independence. For example, many defence officials have expressed concern that it would weaken the defence of Scotland and/or the rest of the United Kingdom. Or to give another example, an airline executive said that he approved of the possibility that an independent Scottish Government would cut Air Passenger Duty. These are not the same thing as endorsing one side or the other. That means giving an express opinion that they want one side or the other to win, or that they intend to vote for one side or the other, or that they recommend that others vote a certain way. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 16:35, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I have added this tag because the IP address refuses to discuss on the talk page as to what constitutes an endorsement. In particular the IP is mis-representing the position of Standard Life, which I have detailed above. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 17:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't like the addition of extensive quoting in the article. This article is meant to be simply a list of endorsements, with names and simple identifying details. For an example of endorsement lists in other elections, see List of Barack Obama presidential campaign endorsements, 2008. If the person or organisation has made a clear endorsement of one side or the other, it should not be necessary to quote them. If we added every single person (particularly individual politicians) that has a clearly expressed endorsement, the article may be too big to also include quotes. I am also concerned that selective quoting may affect the POV of the article. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 18:04, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
The Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland is, perhaps unsurprisingly, out for No, and have their own referendum-specific campaigning wing "British Together". Should they be under "Campaign Groups" or should a new subsection be created, "Other Groups"? GideonF ( talk) 16:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
An intriguing addition to the Electoral Commission's list of Permitted Participants: one Alistair McConnachie has registered for No as an individual. Seemingly the same Alistair McConnachie who runs http://www.aforceforgood.org.uk, a former UKIP candidate with an interesting history. Worth a mention? GideonF ( talk) 16:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
The reference cited for his position against independence is fairly weak, not to mention out of date (August 2011). A much more recent article (March 2014) states that he "says it's not his business, since he doesn't live in Scotland". I think it would be best if he were moved to the "Officially endorse neither side" section. -- 24.212.139.102 ( talk) 16:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it necessary to list politicians (e.g., Alex Salmond, Ed Milliband) who back their party policy on this, when the parties are already listed? I appreciate the reasons for including those (e.g., Charles Gray, Robin Harper) who have stated views that go against their party's policy, but I don't see how it's new information that, for example, the leader of the Labour party supports the Labour party's position on the issue. GideonF ( talk) 13:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
A reasonable criterion for listing celebrities/entertainers is that each should have a Wikipedia article. If a band, etc. that they are part of has an article instead, then I think that should be fine.
But should a gloss be added to some entries? Some of the musicians now have an association listed as well, but not all do and other celebrities don't either. Things such as " John Cummings of Mogwai" might help some people, but there needs to be consistency. Why not " Emma Pollock of The Delgados, The Burns Unit and The Fruit Tree Foundation"? Because, I suggest, that the page will become a mess and there'll be no reason not to gloss all of the other celebrities with yet more blue-linked information. Any reader already knows that the musicians are musicians, because of the heading (or the basic "musician" in the 'no' zone); their obscurity or otherwise should be left, thereby avoiding implying that other members of the same band hold the same view. EddieHugh ( talk) 23:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Should US Congressmen be listed individually in the "international politicians" section? It kind of clogs up a section that features three Prime Ministers and other foreign ministers. Knoper ( talk) 19:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I note that we've been removing people who have given endorsements on either side if they've passed away in the meantime. This is not standard practice on any existing lists of endorsements on Wiki. Just because the individual died before the event surely doesn't disregard their opinion? Do we have a consensus to keep Ian Paisley, and re-add Maitland Mackie, Margo McDonald and Iain Banks etc? The latter 3 played intimate rolls in this campaign, it makes sense to me. Thoughts?-- Jkaharper ( talk) 21:01, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Citing that the music band Sigur Rós believe in a "yes" vote for independence seems far-fetched in the circumstances. The link to the source of this quote is a Facebook photograph of the lead singer in a pub, with an unnatrributable quote below the image [1]. The source itself comes from a website with a very clear "yes" to independence agenda, National Collective, and many of their source attributions for artists who endorse independence seem equally suspicious or false. I'm wondering whether action can be taken against this for the sake of veracity and impatiality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.99.176 ( talk) 10:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
It seems somewhat pointless to list SNP politicians individually as endorsing independence, and Labour ones as opposing, etc., when those parties are already listed. The politician list should, I suggest, only cover politicians with views different from their party's or where their party does not have a view, or independents. Bondegezou ( talk) 13:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
What about the Queen? "Officially" she may be neutral, but she purposely did a walkabout at Crathie last Sunday and let her views slip. Surely this can be cited? 66.67.32.161 ( talk) 20:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
CR85747: What exactly are "Non-participant political parties"? EddieHugh ( talk) 11:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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Is this relevant? The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party (to give it its full title) is only a 'branch office' of the main UK Conservative Party. If we start adding regional offshoots, where do we stop? Scottish Labour Party, Scottish Liberal Democrats? CraigS1969 ( talk) 19:14, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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There have been many individuals and organisations that have expressed opinions about Scottish independence. For example, many defence officials have expressed concern that it would weaken the defence of Scotland and/or the rest of the United Kingdom. Or to give another example, an airline executive said that he approved of the possibility that an independent Scottish Government would cut Air Passenger Duty. These are not the same thing as endorsing one side or the other. That means giving an express opinion that they want one side or the other to win, or that they intend to vote for one side or the other, or that they recommend that others vote a certain way. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 16:35, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I have added this tag because the IP address refuses to discuss on the talk page as to what constitutes an endorsement. In particular the IP is mis-representing the position of Standard Life, which I have detailed above. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 17:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't like the addition of extensive quoting in the article. This article is meant to be simply a list of endorsements, with names and simple identifying details. For an example of endorsement lists in other elections, see List of Barack Obama presidential campaign endorsements, 2008. If the person or organisation has made a clear endorsement of one side or the other, it should not be necessary to quote them. If we added every single person (particularly individual politicians) that has a clearly expressed endorsement, the article may be too big to also include quotes. I am also concerned that selective quoting may affect the POV of the article. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 18:04, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
The Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland is, perhaps unsurprisingly, out for No, and have their own referendum-specific campaigning wing "British Together". Should they be under "Campaign Groups" or should a new subsection be created, "Other Groups"? GideonF ( talk) 16:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
An intriguing addition to the Electoral Commission's list of Permitted Participants: one Alistair McConnachie has registered for No as an individual. Seemingly the same Alistair McConnachie who runs http://www.aforceforgood.org.uk, a former UKIP candidate with an interesting history. Worth a mention? GideonF ( talk) 16:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
The reference cited for his position against independence is fairly weak, not to mention out of date (August 2011). A much more recent article (March 2014) states that he "says it's not his business, since he doesn't live in Scotland". I think it would be best if he were moved to the "Officially endorse neither side" section. -- 24.212.139.102 ( talk) 16:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it necessary to list politicians (e.g., Alex Salmond, Ed Milliband) who back their party policy on this, when the parties are already listed? I appreciate the reasons for including those (e.g., Charles Gray, Robin Harper) who have stated views that go against their party's policy, but I don't see how it's new information that, for example, the leader of the Labour party supports the Labour party's position on the issue. GideonF ( talk) 13:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
A reasonable criterion for listing celebrities/entertainers is that each should have a Wikipedia article. If a band, etc. that they are part of has an article instead, then I think that should be fine.
But should a gloss be added to some entries? Some of the musicians now have an association listed as well, but not all do and other celebrities don't either. Things such as " John Cummings of Mogwai" might help some people, but there needs to be consistency. Why not " Emma Pollock of The Delgados, The Burns Unit and The Fruit Tree Foundation"? Because, I suggest, that the page will become a mess and there'll be no reason not to gloss all of the other celebrities with yet more blue-linked information. Any reader already knows that the musicians are musicians, because of the heading (or the basic "musician" in the 'no' zone); their obscurity or otherwise should be left, thereby avoiding implying that other members of the same band hold the same view. EddieHugh ( talk) 23:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Should US Congressmen be listed individually in the "international politicians" section? It kind of clogs up a section that features three Prime Ministers and other foreign ministers. Knoper ( talk) 19:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I note that we've been removing people who have given endorsements on either side if they've passed away in the meantime. This is not standard practice on any existing lists of endorsements on Wiki. Just because the individual died before the event surely doesn't disregard their opinion? Do we have a consensus to keep Ian Paisley, and re-add Maitland Mackie, Margo McDonald and Iain Banks etc? The latter 3 played intimate rolls in this campaign, it makes sense to me. Thoughts?-- Jkaharper ( talk) 21:01, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Citing that the music band Sigur Rós believe in a "yes" vote for independence seems far-fetched in the circumstances. The link to the source of this quote is a Facebook photograph of the lead singer in a pub, with an unnatrributable quote below the image [1]. The source itself comes from a website with a very clear "yes" to independence agenda, National Collective, and many of their source attributions for artists who endorse independence seem equally suspicious or false. I'm wondering whether action can be taken against this for the sake of veracity and impatiality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.99.176 ( talk) 10:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
It seems somewhat pointless to list SNP politicians individually as endorsing independence, and Labour ones as opposing, etc., when those parties are already listed. The politician list should, I suggest, only cover politicians with views different from their party's or where their party does not have a view, or independents. Bondegezou ( talk) 13:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
What about the Queen? "Officially" she may be neutral, but she purposely did a walkabout at Crathie last Sunday and let her views slip. Surely this can be cited? 66.67.32.161 ( talk) 20:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
CR85747: What exactly are "Non-participant political parties"? EddieHugh ( talk) 11:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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