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(Should Terry Bradshaw be on this list?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.129.254 ( talk) 11:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
This might work better as "Athletes who have been punished as a result of drug infractions". Less POV that way.
Lyellin 10:01, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
I am certainly willing. Let it stay like this for a day or two and then I will act on the consensus of the comments. [[ PaulinSaudi 10:13, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)]]
Not sure whether a new page is needed for this, but it should at least be made clear of the athletes that have since been cleared of all charges (e.g. Greg Rusedski). CheekyMonkey 10:35, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I am impressed, awed, fascinated, by how quickly this page has grown. I began it because I could not find anything like it on the net. Did I miss it somewhere?
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PaulinSaudi 16:47, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)]]
Props to you for starting it. It's a really fun page. As for the name, I would prefer a shorter name (as they are easier to find/use). Eric B. and Rakim 23:18, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I can't think of a shorter/easier name than this. I think this name is less POV than "Athletes who have been punished as a result of drug infractions". That name implies that the person has willingly and knowingly taken banned substances, which is not always a certainty. "List of athletes found guilty of using banned drugs" refers to the fact that they have been found guilty, not to their being guilty. That is an important distinction to make. Aecis 12:34, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
But still what? You can't name something like this and then have the list be inaccurate. Ken Camanitti was never found guilty either. Fix the name or get rid of it.
I think they belong here at this point. I wish you ( User:129.125.145.96 (Bonds and Giambi edited)) )would make a comment when you revert. [[ PaulinSaudi 13:15, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)]]
Yes or no? I thought Bonds wasn't found guilty (but I'm not sure). If we include all athletes that most likely have doped but either were not officially announced or only bended the rules, this list could be much bigger, but it goes against the title :) Peoplesunionpro 21:28, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
Also, UTA PIPIG's case was immediately thrown out. There was a clear medical reason for her her positive test result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eztidun ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that Bernard Williams used banned drugs? Punkmorten 11:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I see the discussion above about the page name. I also think it should be moved, because of the use of the word "guilty". In most sports there is a strict liability rule about drug abuse, so any amount of performance-enhancing drugs results in a ban from competitions even if there is an innocent explanation for how it came to be there. The term "guilty" implies malign intent. I suggest a move to List of athletes who tested positive for banned drugs. David | Talk 00:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
How exactly is listing under this title any less libelous when it contains names who have NEVER had a positive drugs test! (such as rio ferdinand or christine ohuruogu) and have been banned for missing tests or other related ofences. I've moved the page to List of sportspeople sanctioned for doping offences. -- Jw2034 15:25, 28 July 2007 (BST)
The title should refer to 'drugs' rather than 'doping,' because it includes things like cocaine, marijuana, and meth that are pretty different than performance-enhancing drugs and aren't really implied by the word 'doping.' 69.7.37.69 ( talk) 22:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I am currently in the process of reformatting the page. I didn't list it here prior to the reformatting because it is only a layout edit. I am not editing the content in any way, shape or form. With the new layout, I believe the list will look clearer and more professional. I have added two topics to the list: the banned substance that was found, and an external reference. I believe that mentioning the banned substance adds to the encyclopedic content of the page, while the external reference is meant to provide proof that the athlete in question did test positive for a banned substance. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 23:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
According to the Natallia Solohub article (name sometimes spelt Natallia Sologub) "She was banned from the sport between August 2001 and August 2003". However, the article lacks a ref, and I can't Google one. Can anyone point us to the official IAAF decision (usually a pdf file)? -- Mais oui! 13:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is already very long, and it is just going to get longer. Would it be wise to consider splitting it, perhaps by sport? We already have separate lists for baseball. Perhaps if we spun off athletics (track and field) - which has the most - then we could keep this list manageable. Thoughts? -- Mais oui! 15:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I have already mentioned this on the French sportspeople in doping cases talk page and it is a bit similar to the Bonds and Giambi case.
Guérin was suspended initially by the FFF but this punishment was overturned and the doping test declared void by the French legal Courts on the grounds that the tests were carried out incorrectly. See here.
Should he, and by extension Bonds and Giambi, still be included? At the very least I would think there should be a footnote to explain the dubiety of the initial test. Caledonian Place 13:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I suggest adding two columns to this list: the year in which the positive test occurred, and the suspension/penalty/warning that ensued. Any thoughts? A ecis Brievenbus 09:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The list scope is sportspeople "who tested positive for banned substances, or have been found to have taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs by a court of law, or have been suspended by a sporting body for failure to submit to mandatory drug testing, or have admitted to their use". Self-admitted doping use should therefore be included in the list (re: [2]), until the list scope is changed by consensus here on the talk page. BUT if anything the name should be changed. Why not "List of doping cases in sport", in compliance with the category of the same name? Punkmorten 18:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, a positive test is NOT the same as being banned for missing mandatory tests (such as rio ferdinand or christine ohuruogu), where no evidence of drugs taking exists - in fact, it might be potentially libelous to even list them under this title! - Jw2034 15:16, 28 July 2007 (BST)
For this reason i've changed the name, all the names on the list will still be valid under the new title - except horses, which needs a new page given this is for sportspeople :). - Jw2034 15:16, 28 July 2007 (BST)
The List of sportspeople cleared of doping charges now exists. Punkmorten 11:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't Michael Vick be in there for the Marijuana case? -- HPJoker ( talk) 16:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes he should, as should josh howard and rasheed wallace and damon stoudamire. This list is a joke so far... seriously no justin gatlin or ben johnson? No marion jones? No tim montgomerry? No Chris Mullen? No ricco rodriguez? No Arnold Schwarzanneger? No Dwain Chambers? No Rashid Ramzi? —Preceding
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Josep Guardiola was cleared so I've erased from the list. References:
Orjanlothe ( talk) 21:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Orjanlothe ( talk) 15:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Orjanlothe ( talk) 08:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Why not just fix or remove the broken link items? Why must you spend all this time on the talk page while you hold the article hostage with an ugly tag? No one is going to go through all 900 items and fix them just because they saw this tag on the page... the tag does nothing to improve the article. Don't you realize you can EDIT articles and FIX problems you see? The goal isn't the manipulate other people into doing the work... you should just do it yourself if you're so worried about it. -- Rividian ( talk) 13:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
This list is becoming massive - there are a couple of options. 1) Split the article by sport (e.g. List of doping cases in athletics, List of doping cases in soccer, etc) 2) Split the article by continents (e.g. List of doping cases in South American sport, List of doping cases in European sport) 3) Split the article alphabetically (e.g. List of doping cases in sport A-F, List of doping cases in sport G-M). 4) Remove all those entires where the person has no article. I'm in favour of 4 (remove all the redlinks and add them back in as and when they have articles), but what does everyone else think? Neıl ☎ 17:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
What good is this list being broken by alphabetical markers when one can re-arrange the list by sport (but not find what they are looking for?). If I want to find everyone within a certain sport who have confirmed doping cases, I still have to look in each letter of the alphabet.
How can we fix this? I say combine all the tables instead of tables for A, B, C, D, E... etc -- Guroadrunner ( talk) 10:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
It looks to me like at the 2003 World Weightlifting Championships in Vancouver Gevorg Davtyan was tested positive for banned substances,
and lost the silver medal.
However, I can't find a reference that says whether he was suspended for two years, and he isn't named in the list of suspended competitors at iwf.net. Anyone got some better reference? Nikai ( talk) 10:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
This chart needs another column for the year(s) of the incident(s). Kingturtle ( talk) 19:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I strongly second this motion! Currently this page is little more than a reference for people who know almost everyone on the list. If the list were reaganged in order of when they happened, then it may yield some more information. If one is looking for a name, one could simply hit ctrl.-F or something of the like to find their desired player. Listing it in the format it is currently in provides little information to anyone who desires to really learn anything.
Of course, reformatting this list would be an ENORMOUS task for any one or many people to undertake... but consider it something that should be done! ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.61.48 ( talk) 23:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I have erased Uta Pippig from this article, since shortly after being accused of taking testosterone, she was found NOT to have taken the hormone. Germany threw her case out immediately after reviewing her medical records. It's not fair to put innocent people's names on such a shameful list. Uta Pippig is a champion who has dedicated her life to athletics. She won her races fair and square, and she deserves to be treated as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eztidun ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC) -- Eztidun ( talk) 23:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
From the Wiki article on Uta Pippig:
"In 1998, an out-of-competition drug test found Pippig had an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone, and the German Athletics Federation attempted to ban her for two years. Pippig contested the finding on the grounds that her testosterone levels were normal, and that the elevated ratio was due to a low level of epitestosterone from a long battle with chronic bowel disease and other factors. This claim was supported by a variety of independent medical experts[1], and a German arbitration court ultimately dismissed the case."
Their References:
1. ^ In analyses, it was determined by independent specialists Dr. Robert Barbieri, the Chief of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, who is also an expert in hormones and the use of steroids, and Dr. Horst Lüppert, the Head of Obstetrics and Gynecology at The Free University in Berlin, that Uta Pippig’s ratio imbalance was not due to high levels of testosterone, but rather low levels of epitestosterone.[citation needed] Separate expert opinions from both Dr. Barbieri and Dr. Lübbert, independently concluded that the use of oral contraceptives and active bowel disease both raise the T:E ratio.[citation needed] According to Dr. Barbieri, “The T:E ratio is not valid for women on oral contraceptives with active bowel disease.” According to Dr. Barbieri, “In April 1998, at or around the time that a urine specimen was taken for androgen matabolite analysis, Ms. Pippig was on oral contraceptive pills and had active bowel disease.” a) Letter from Dr. Horst Lübbert to German Track and Field Association, October 1, 1998. b) Letter from Dr. Robert Barbieri to Messieurs David Merz and Jens Peter Ketels, January 22, 1999
2. ^ In an interview published in the August 9, 2000 issue of Der Tagespiegel, Judge Dr. Eike Ullmann, who chaired the panel of judges that decided on the Uta Pippig vs. DLV case in the arbitration proceedings of the German Sports Federation (DSB), concluded, “De facto there was a ban (on Uta Pippig competing), but its existence has not been legally justified.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eztidun ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC) -- Eztidun ( talk) 23:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I think it could be better. Enigma msg 07:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Is the banner at the top meant as a disclaimer? Such usages are banned for wikipedia as the general disclaimer is already listed. I think that the hidden comment and the way all the people are listed is enough for the reader to realise that they should add a citation. Only two sportsmen (out of the thousand or so listed) had citations missing and I've added them now. Should we remove this banner in favour of vigilance in additions? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) 15:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
It was suggested that this list be split by sport over two years ago but it was deemed unnecessary. However, this page has has now doubled in size from 101K in February 2008 [3], to 207K in April 2010 [4]. THis is creating problems both for editing and reading in terms of the time taken to load the page.
I suggest that we start splitting of by the largest sports represented in the list first, leaving less doping prevalent sports on the main list. Would it be OK if I created List of doping cases in athletics as a split off from this main topic? This will go some way to making this page much quicker to load as athletics doping appears to make up a good 35% of entries at the least! Perhaps cycling, weightlifting, baseball and swimming may warrant their own lists too at some point. For less represented sports (e.g. football, cricket, gymnastics) there seems little reason why they can't remain on the main list here for the time being as they aren't hard to maintain. What do people think? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 17:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Per #Vick, the split is not made known to a sufficient degree. As this list currently stands. Geschichte ( talk) 11:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Danish cyclist Michael Rasmussen be included in this list for failing to tell about his whereabouts? He did get a ban of two years, but I haven't got at source for it at this moment. Tøndemageren ( talk) 12:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't Josep Guardiola in the list? The present F.C.Barcelona's coach ended up his sportive career as a footballer after being excluded from competition for a 2-year period. 81.60.184.141 ( talk) 17:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
That's what " doping" actually means, after all. Use of prohibited recreational drugs is a separate issue from doping, so this list shouldn't conflate the two. 24.214.230.66 ( talk) 07:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
soccer player claudio caniggia is missoing from the list go to his wiki page for references QueenAlexandria utc 21:34 4th Sept 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 21:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
What about Dwain Chambers, the British sprinter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.188.34 ( talk) 15:23, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Removing Per Pedersen from the list. He used Cortisone, but as far as I can tell it was allowed when he used it. It has been banned later on. Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pedersen-lilholt-confess-to-cortisone-use -- Lejman ( talk) 16:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article title read "List of doping cases in sports" considering that it lists doping cases in numerous sports instead of just one sport? Carlatenorio ( talk) 12:40, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone object to renaming the article title to "List of doping cases in sports"? Carlatenorio ( talk) 15:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Can somebody edit the article so that the sidebar titled "Part of a series on Doping in Sport" can be hidden or shown just like the table of contents can be hidden or shown? Nuzaliwaj ( talk) 09:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The article has become so large in size that viewers with slow internet connections may experience difficulties when attempting to access it.
Should it be split somehow? Nuzaliwaj ( talk) 20:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
AOD9604 is not currently listed in section 2 of the WADA code which pertains to performance enhancing drugs. The lead to article states it is a list of "those who have been found, or have admitted to, having taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs, prohibited recreational drugs or have been suspended by a sporting body for failure to submit to mandatory drug testing". As AOD9604 does not currently fall under the performance enhancing or recreational drug banner, should Jobe Watson be included here? AOD9604 is banned under section 0, which is for substances not currently approved for therapeutic use.
I will not modify this article as I am an Essendon supporter and massive fan of Jobe Watson, so I will not pretend to be unbiased in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.120.16.134 ( talk) 04:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Since this article is now 300kb, which is six times the suggested size for splitting, we need to split this article. The existing scections seem to make sense to me. Pending significant objection I indend to begin splitting out the sections on 2013-11-12. Hasteur ( talk) 15:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
The split is finished Hasteur ( talk) 16:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't all the cycles who used doping in 1998 Tour De France identified in 2013 also beeing add to the list? Below the link with the complete list http://road.cc/content/news/89222-french-senate-names-1998-tour-de-france-dopers-ogrady-and-durand-confess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreatxt ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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(Should Terry Bradshaw be on this list?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.129.254 ( talk) 11:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
This might work better as "Athletes who have been punished as a result of drug infractions". Less POV that way.
Lyellin 10:01, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
I am certainly willing. Let it stay like this for a day or two and then I will act on the consensus of the comments. [[ PaulinSaudi 10:13, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)]]
Not sure whether a new page is needed for this, but it should at least be made clear of the athletes that have since been cleared of all charges (e.g. Greg Rusedski). CheekyMonkey 10:35, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I am impressed, awed, fascinated, by how quickly this page has grown. I began it because I could not find anything like it on the net. Did I miss it somewhere?
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PaulinSaudi 16:47, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)]]
Props to you for starting it. It's a really fun page. As for the name, I would prefer a shorter name (as they are easier to find/use). Eric B. and Rakim 23:18, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I can't think of a shorter/easier name than this. I think this name is less POV than "Athletes who have been punished as a result of drug infractions". That name implies that the person has willingly and knowingly taken banned substances, which is not always a certainty. "List of athletes found guilty of using banned drugs" refers to the fact that they have been found guilty, not to their being guilty. That is an important distinction to make. Aecis 12:34, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
But still what? You can't name something like this and then have the list be inaccurate. Ken Camanitti was never found guilty either. Fix the name or get rid of it.
I think they belong here at this point. I wish you ( User:129.125.145.96 (Bonds and Giambi edited)) )would make a comment when you revert. [[ PaulinSaudi 13:15, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)]]
Yes or no? I thought Bonds wasn't found guilty (but I'm not sure). If we include all athletes that most likely have doped but either were not officially announced or only bended the rules, this list could be much bigger, but it goes against the title :) Peoplesunionpro 21:28, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
Also, UTA PIPIG's case was immediately thrown out. There was a clear medical reason for her her positive test result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eztidun ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that Bernard Williams used banned drugs? Punkmorten 11:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I see the discussion above about the page name. I also think it should be moved, because of the use of the word "guilty". In most sports there is a strict liability rule about drug abuse, so any amount of performance-enhancing drugs results in a ban from competitions even if there is an innocent explanation for how it came to be there. The term "guilty" implies malign intent. I suggest a move to List of athletes who tested positive for banned drugs. David | Talk 00:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
How exactly is listing under this title any less libelous when it contains names who have NEVER had a positive drugs test! (such as rio ferdinand or christine ohuruogu) and have been banned for missing tests or other related ofences. I've moved the page to List of sportspeople sanctioned for doping offences. -- Jw2034 15:25, 28 July 2007 (BST)
The title should refer to 'drugs' rather than 'doping,' because it includes things like cocaine, marijuana, and meth that are pretty different than performance-enhancing drugs and aren't really implied by the word 'doping.' 69.7.37.69 ( talk) 22:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I am currently in the process of reformatting the page. I didn't list it here prior to the reformatting because it is only a layout edit. I am not editing the content in any way, shape or form. With the new layout, I believe the list will look clearer and more professional. I have added two topics to the list: the banned substance that was found, and an external reference. I believe that mentioning the banned substance adds to the encyclopedic content of the page, while the external reference is meant to provide proof that the athlete in question did test positive for a banned substance. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 23:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
According to the Natallia Solohub article (name sometimes spelt Natallia Sologub) "She was banned from the sport between August 2001 and August 2003". However, the article lacks a ref, and I can't Google one. Can anyone point us to the official IAAF decision (usually a pdf file)? -- Mais oui! 13:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is already very long, and it is just going to get longer. Would it be wise to consider splitting it, perhaps by sport? We already have separate lists for baseball. Perhaps if we spun off athletics (track and field) - which has the most - then we could keep this list manageable. Thoughts? -- Mais oui! 15:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I have already mentioned this on the French sportspeople in doping cases talk page and it is a bit similar to the Bonds and Giambi case.
Guérin was suspended initially by the FFF but this punishment was overturned and the doping test declared void by the French legal Courts on the grounds that the tests were carried out incorrectly. See here.
Should he, and by extension Bonds and Giambi, still be included? At the very least I would think there should be a footnote to explain the dubiety of the initial test. Caledonian Place 13:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I suggest adding two columns to this list: the year in which the positive test occurred, and the suspension/penalty/warning that ensued. Any thoughts? A ecis Brievenbus 09:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The list scope is sportspeople "who tested positive for banned substances, or have been found to have taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs by a court of law, or have been suspended by a sporting body for failure to submit to mandatory drug testing, or have admitted to their use". Self-admitted doping use should therefore be included in the list (re: [2]), until the list scope is changed by consensus here on the talk page. BUT if anything the name should be changed. Why not "List of doping cases in sport", in compliance with the category of the same name? Punkmorten 18:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, a positive test is NOT the same as being banned for missing mandatory tests (such as rio ferdinand or christine ohuruogu), where no evidence of drugs taking exists - in fact, it might be potentially libelous to even list them under this title! - Jw2034 15:16, 28 July 2007 (BST)
For this reason i've changed the name, all the names on the list will still be valid under the new title - except horses, which needs a new page given this is for sportspeople :). - Jw2034 15:16, 28 July 2007 (BST)
The List of sportspeople cleared of doping charges now exists. Punkmorten 11:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't Michael Vick be in there for the Marijuana case? -- HPJoker ( talk) 16:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes he should, as should josh howard and rasheed wallace and damon stoudamire. This list is a joke so far... seriously no justin gatlin or ben johnson? No marion jones? No tim montgomerry? No Chris Mullen? No ricco rodriguez? No Arnold Schwarzanneger? No Dwain Chambers? No Rashid Ramzi? —Preceding
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Josep Guardiola was cleared so I've erased from the list. References:
Orjanlothe ( talk) 21:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Orjanlothe ( talk) 15:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Orjanlothe ( talk) 08:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Why not just fix or remove the broken link items? Why must you spend all this time on the talk page while you hold the article hostage with an ugly tag? No one is going to go through all 900 items and fix them just because they saw this tag on the page... the tag does nothing to improve the article. Don't you realize you can EDIT articles and FIX problems you see? The goal isn't the manipulate other people into doing the work... you should just do it yourself if you're so worried about it. -- Rividian ( talk) 13:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
This list is becoming massive - there are a couple of options. 1) Split the article by sport (e.g. List of doping cases in athletics, List of doping cases in soccer, etc) 2) Split the article by continents (e.g. List of doping cases in South American sport, List of doping cases in European sport) 3) Split the article alphabetically (e.g. List of doping cases in sport A-F, List of doping cases in sport G-M). 4) Remove all those entires where the person has no article. I'm in favour of 4 (remove all the redlinks and add them back in as and when they have articles), but what does everyone else think? Neıl ☎ 17:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
What good is this list being broken by alphabetical markers when one can re-arrange the list by sport (but not find what they are looking for?). If I want to find everyone within a certain sport who have confirmed doping cases, I still have to look in each letter of the alphabet.
How can we fix this? I say combine all the tables instead of tables for A, B, C, D, E... etc -- Guroadrunner ( talk) 10:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
It looks to me like at the 2003 World Weightlifting Championships in Vancouver Gevorg Davtyan was tested positive for banned substances,
and lost the silver medal.
However, I can't find a reference that says whether he was suspended for two years, and he isn't named in the list of suspended competitors at iwf.net. Anyone got some better reference? Nikai ( talk) 10:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
This chart needs another column for the year(s) of the incident(s). Kingturtle ( talk) 19:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I strongly second this motion! Currently this page is little more than a reference for people who know almost everyone on the list. If the list were reaganged in order of when they happened, then it may yield some more information. If one is looking for a name, one could simply hit ctrl.-F or something of the like to find their desired player. Listing it in the format it is currently in provides little information to anyone who desires to really learn anything.
Of course, reformatting this list would be an ENORMOUS task for any one or many people to undertake... but consider it something that should be done! ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.61.48 ( talk) 23:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I have erased Uta Pippig from this article, since shortly after being accused of taking testosterone, she was found NOT to have taken the hormone. Germany threw her case out immediately after reviewing her medical records. It's not fair to put innocent people's names on such a shameful list. Uta Pippig is a champion who has dedicated her life to athletics. She won her races fair and square, and she deserves to be treated as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eztidun ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC) -- Eztidun ( talk) 23:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
From the Wiki article on Uta Pippig:
"In 1998, an out-of-competition drug test found Pippig had an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone, and the German Athletics Federation attempted to ban her for two years. Pippig contested the finding on the grounds that her testosterone levels were normal, and that the elevated ratio was due to a low level of epitestosterone from a long battle with chronic bowel disease and other factors. This claim was supported by a variety of independent medical experts[1], and a German arbitration court ultimately dismissed the case."
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1. ^ In analyses, it was determined by independent specialists Dr. Robert Barbieri, the Chief of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, who is also an expert in hormones and the use of steroids, and Dr. Horst Lüppert, the Head of Obstetrics and Gynecology at The Free University in Berlin, that Uta Pippig’s ratio imbalance was not due to high levels of testosterone, but rather low levels of epitestosterone.[citation needed] Separate expert opinions from both Dr. Barbieri and Dr. Lübbert, independently concluded that the use of oral contraceptives and active bowel disease both raise the T:E ratio.[citation needed] According to Dr. Barbieri, “The T:E ratio is not valid for women on oral contraceptives with active bowel disease.” According to Dr. Barbieri, “In April 1998, at or around the time that a urine specimen was taken for androgen matabolite analysis, Ms. Pippig was on oral contraceptive pills and had active bowel disease.” a) Letter from Dr. Horst Lübbert to German Track and Field Association, October 1, 1998. b) Letter from Dr. Robert Barbieri to Messieurs David Merz and Jens Peter Ketels, January 22, 1999
2. ^ In an interview published in the August 9, 2000 issue of Der Tagespiegel, Judge Dr. Eike Ullmann, who chaired the panel of judges that decided on the Uta Pippig vs. DLV case in the arbitration proceedings of the German Sports Federation (DSB), concluded, “De facto there was a ban (on Uta Pippig competing), but its existence has not been legally justified.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eztidun ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC) -- Eztidun ( talk) 23:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I think it could be better. Enigma msg 07:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Is the banner at the top meant as a disclaimer? Such usages are banned for wikipedia as the general disclaimer is already listed. I think that the hidden comment and the way all the people are listed is enough for the reader to realise that they should add a citation. Only two sportsmen (out of the thousand or so listed) had citations missing and I've added them now. Should we remove this banner in favour of vigilance in additions? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) 15:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
It was suggested that this list be split by sport over two years ago but it was deemed unnecessary. However, this page has has now doubled in size from 101K in February 2008 [3], to 207K in April 2010 [4]. THis is creating problems both for editing and reading in terms of the time taken to load the page.
I suggest that we start splitting of by the largest sports represented in the list first, leaving less doping prevalent sports on the main list. Would it be OK if I created List of doping cases in athletics as a split off from this main topic? This will go some way to making this page much quicker to load as athletics doping appears to make up a good 35% of entries at the least! Perhaps cycling, weightlifting, baseball and swimming may warrant their own lists too at some point. For less represented sports (e.g. football, cricket, gymnastics) there seems little reason why they can't remain on the main list here for the time being as they aren't hard to maintain. What do people think? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 17:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Per #Vick, the split is not made known to a sufficient degree. As this list currently stands. Geschichte ( talk) 11:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Danish cyclist Michael Rasmussen be included in this list for failing to tell about his whereabouts? He did get a ban of two years, but I haven't got at source for it at this moment. Tøndemageren ( talk) 12:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't Josep Guardiola in the list? The present F.C.Barcelona's coach ended up his sportive career as a footballer after being excluded from competition for a 2-year period. 81.60.184.141 ( talk) 17:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
That's what " doping" actually means, after all. Use of prohibited recreational drugs is a separate issue from doping, so this list shouldn't conflate the two. 24.214.230.66 ( talk) 07:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
soccer player claudio caniggia is missoing from the list go to his wiki page for references QueenAlexandria utc 21:34 4th Sept 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 21:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
What about Dwain Chambers, the British sprinter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.188.34 ( talk) 15:23, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Removing Per Pedersen from the list. He used Cortisone, but as far as I can tell it was allowed when he used it. It has been banned later on. Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pedersen-lilholt-confess-to-cortisone-use -- Lejman ( talk) 16:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article title read "List of doping cases in sports" considering that it lists doping cases in numerous sports instead of just one sport? Carlatenorio ( talk) 12:40, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone object to renaming the article title to "List of doping cases in sports"? Carlatenorio ( talk) 15:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Can somebody edit the article so that the sidebar titled "Part of a series on Doping in Sport" can be hidden or shown just like the table of contents can be hidden or shown? Nuzaliwaj ( talk) 09:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The article has become so large in size that viewers with slow internet connections may experience difficulties when attempting to access it.
Should it be split somehow? Nuzaliwaj ( talk) 20:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
AOD9604 is not currently listed in section 2 of the WADA code which pertains to performance enhancing drugs. The lead to article states it is a list of "those who have been found, or have admitted to, having taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs, prohibited recreational drugs or have been suspended by a sporting body for failure to submit to mandatory drug testing". As AOD9604 does not currently fall under the performance enhancing or recreational drug banner, should Jobe Watson be included here? AOD9604 is banned under section 0, which is for substances not currently approved for therapeutic use.
I will not modify this article as I am an Essendon supporter and massive fan of Jobe Watson, so I will not pretend to be unbiased in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.120.16.134 ( talk) 04:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Since this article is now 300kb, which is six times the suggested size for splitting, we need to split this article. The existing scections seem to make sense to me. Pending significant objection I indend to begin splitting out the sections on 2013-11-12. Hasteur ( talk) 15:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
The split is finished Hasteur ( talk) 16:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't all the cycles who used doping in 1998 Tour De France identified in 2013 also beeing add to the list? Below the link with the complete list http://road.cc/content/news/89222-french-senate-names-1998-tour-de-france-dopers-ogrady-and-durand-confess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreatxt ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there's a talk page template for this sort of thing, analogous to {{
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There are over 700 known instances of "doping" in competitive sports ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_sport).
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