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Okay! I would like to get started. Can someone tell me how to add the pink box to my articles, and how to enter information into it?
My personal feeling is that I’d prefer to write, write, write and let someone else take care of organization and formatting. I’m a good editor, and will do such work if needed…in a pinch…if I have to…but I’d prefer to just write freely. Does that work for you guys?
I also have some issues to raise:
I feel very strongly that the UKC should be included in the pink box. It is a legitimate registry of long-standing with a somewhat different focus to the AKC.
I would not like to see these articles written as if Recognition by an all-breed registry is the ultimate goal of all dog fanciers. To me, that is subjective and not in keeping with neutral point of view writing. There are breed clubs that have been indifferent to or even completely against official recognition for many years; their reasoning is valid. We should not list independent breed clubs as ‘not yet recognized by The Kennel Club’ or any such language, to do so implies the superiority of the Show world, or at the very least, the superiority of one all-breed club to another. Such clubs should be listed as ‘Independent’ or ‘non-affiliated’ or some such. Writers should take care that if they list a breed as ‘seeking Recognition’ that that is, in fact, the goal of that particular breed club.
If this is out of keeping with the philosophy of this project, please let me know and I will bow out with no hard feelings. Thanks!
I recognize that this project uses the term ‘breed’ broadly, and I applaud such usage. I would like to point out, however, that there is a growing trend to list any crossbreed mix as a ‘new breed’, and that the practice is largely deplored in the dog world. Can we be careful to distinguish between established breed, breed under development, recognized breed, newly-recognized breed, pure breed and cross breed and the like as we write?
I noted with interest that one new writer raised the question as to whether or not s/he could cite a book s/he’d written as a reference. The responders seemed to agree that s/he could and should, if the book was germane to the Wikipedia article. I had the same question, particularly since some of the breeds I will write about have little written about them and Wikipedia wants us to use references, can I cite a published article I myself have written?
Are photographs I take ‘mine’, i.e. can I place them into the Public Domain without asking permission of the subjects (or—ahem! the subjects’ owners)? I was curious because someone mentioned using pictures s/he’d taken at a dog show.
Please forgive me if these questions were asked and answered elsewhere—I’m trying to read through all the old stuff, but it’s at more than one location, and plentiful! Quill 00:07, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I'm at it already! I said I didn't want to edit, but I just can't help myself; after 10 years of this it's in my blood and I do it automatically. [Quill shakes head and sighs heavily.]
My question is, whom do I notify (and where) if I spot an error that I think needs fixing (other than a typo or something).
Case in point, I'm reading the Dog main article and this sentences strikes me:
Actually, 'mongrel' is the proper term for a dog of undetermined origin in any of the English dialects, not just British. 'Mutt' is short for 'muttonhead' and is slang for an idiot as well as for a mongrel.
So, if I want to point out that something like this should be corrected, without insulting the author, to whose attention do I bring it? Quill 00:55, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Okay, I'm trying to fix an inaccuracy here. I'm letting you know in case I mess it up.
The ETT is not exactly the same dog as the TMT, (not according to ETT purists, anyway) so I have entered the TMT on the list of dog breeds; I'm going to clarify the ETT stub. I'll also write to a breeder and see if the photo on the present ETT page is in fact an ETT or a TMT.
The redirect command from TMT to ETT with have to be deleted, and a TMT article written. Quill 23:57, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I found a webpage with some terrific images of Japanese Terriers, a breed it's very hard to get a picture of.
Here's my problem: I was going to write to the author for permission to use them on Wikipedia, but there's no e-mail address. There's an address for the webmaster, but that's it.
The webpage hasn't been updated since 2000.
Where do we stand on the use of these images, ie. can do or can't do? Quill 23:38, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There is a nice working dog article that is not in a category. Where do we put it?
Also, let's link to this article whenever we notice the words 'working dog' or 'working breed' in an article.
I see that Hephaestos changed the links for the corgi articles from Welsh Corgi (Type) to Type Corgi a while ago - I missed it at the time. It's something we've discussed before on this page, and I said then that I felt the titles should be as usually used by the registries (as in Corgi (Type)). I understand why Hephaestos changed them, it's not the usual way of titling articles, but in this case it is the conventional way of referring to the two breeds. Unless anyone objects I would like to restore the old titles and move the articles back. In the mean time, the articles should be listed alphabetically as well as cross-referenced so I've restored Anon's edits. -- sannse (talk) 19:29, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
So the Alaskan husky breed page uses lowercase on husky because it is a type rather than a breed. Now that this has been pointed out by someone naturally wanting to capitalize it here, it brings up the question whether this should be in the list of breeds or in the preceding list of types? If it's in the breeds, it shd be capitalized; if it's not a breed, it shdn't be in the breeds list? (I understand that it's even more of a "type" than, say, cockapoos or labradoodles. Back to that pesky where-do-we-draw-the-line question.) Elf | Talk 00:58, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Aug 2004 (UTC)
Which is more common, Italian Spinone or Spinone Italiano? The breed info (well, substub) was put up today under " Spinone Italiano", but the "Italian Spinone" is listed under Pointers. I got more hits in google for the first option. Opinions? Lachatdelarue 21:32, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
ok, i just posted my article for the american pit bull terrier. it's not 100% complete (of course), nor is it all i plan on writing, but it's a good start. it's the longest thing i've written for wikipedia so far, so i'd like everyone's opinion on it. Lachatdelarue 01:48, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requested_pictures#Dog_breeds; I'm working on filling in this list from existing articles; anyone else can feel free to do the same. :-) Elf | Talk 23:13, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
We've got this listed as the main breed name on this page; however, I see that it's not apparently recognized by any of the main kennel clubs we're using and it does have an alternative English name, the Austrian Short-Haired Pinscher. I haven't done a google search, but since this is an english-language encycl, and the nonEnglish version is so non-English, I'm inclined to use the English name as our main entry. Thoughts? (Sorry, that was me Elf | Talk asking).
Here's another set: The Croatian Mountain Dog, aka Croatian Tornjak, aka Croatian Shepherd. Apparently there are multiple Tornjaks, including the Bosnian Tornjak maybe AKA Bosnian Sheepdog. I've done a little poking around on the web but most of the pages I'm finding are somewhat amateur--even though some are breeders. So I'm not positive that these aren't duplicates of breeds we already have, but meanwhile I'm adding them to the breed list (since there's at least one page for them out there...). Another alias: "Bosnian-Herzegovinian sheepdog - tornjak" Elf | Talk 19:46, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
References:
tornjak.net have got in touch on my talk page. Apparently the Croatian Shepherd and the Croatian Mountain Dog Tornjak are different breeds. I would guess the same might be true of the Bosnian Tornjak and Bosnian Sheepdog. This is a section that needs more work it seems -- sannse (talk) 19:07, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
At least 2 all-breed clubs recognize the wirehaired and smoothhaired varieties as separate breeds, although others don't. My thought was that they should therefore have separate entries in the breed list here even if they end up at the same article--with the article treating them like we do Dachshunds. On the other hand, I see that this list doesn't include Miniature Dachshund, Wirehaired Dachshund, and so on as separate breeds, so, hmmm, I don't know, but I thought I ought to point it out. Elf | Talk 16:26, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SirIsaacBrock ( talk • contribs) .
Okay, I have re-read you User Talk page and have a better idea now. I believe that our list has breeds that are not on that compiled list, such as, Old English Bulldog and others, particularly the extinct breeds. Thanks SirIsaacBrock 01:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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Okay! I would like to get started. Can someone tell me how to add the pink box to my articles, and how to enter information into it?
My personal feeling is that I’d prefer to write, write, write and let someone else take care of organization and formatting. I’m a good editor, and will do such work if needed…in a pinch…if I have to…but I’d prefer to just write freely. Does that work for you guys?
I also have some issues to raise:
I feel very strongly that the UKC should be included in the pink box. It is a legitimate registry of long-standing with a somewhat different focus to the AKC.
I would not like to see these articles written as if Recognition by an all-breed registry is the ultimate goal of all dog fanciers. To me, that is subjective and not in keeping with neutral point of view writing. There are breed clubs that have been indifferent to or even completely against official recognition for many years; their reasoning is valid. We should not list independent breed clubs as ‘not yet recognized by The Kennel Club’ or any such language, to do so implies the superiority of the Show world, or at the very least, the superiority of one all-breed club to another. Such clubs should be listed as ‘Independent’ or ‘non-affiliated’ or some such. Writers should take care that if they list a breed as ‘seeking Recognition’ that that is, in fact, the goal of that particular breed club.
If this is out of keeping with the philosophy of this project, please let me know and I will bow out with no hard feelings. Thanks!
I recognize that this project uses the term ‘breed’ broadly, and I applaud such usage. I would like to point out, however, that there is a growing trend to list any crossbreed mix as a ‘new breed’, and that the practice is largely deplored in the dog world. Can we be careful to distinguish between established breed, breed under development, recognized breed, newly-recognized breed, pure breed and cross breed and the like as we write?
I noted with interest that one new writer raised the question as to whether or not s/he could cite a book s/he’d written as a reference. The responders seemed to agree that s/he could and should, if the book was germane to the Wikipedia article. I had the same question, particularly since some of the breeds I will write about have little written about them and Wikipedia wants us to use references, can I cite a published article I myself have written?
Are photographs I take ‘mine’, i.e. can I place them into the Public Domain without asking permission of the subjects (or—ahem! the subjects’ owners)? I was curious because someone mentioned using pictures s/he’d taken at a dog show.
Please forgive me if these questions were asked and answered elsewhere—I’m trying to read through all the old stuff, but it’s at more than one location, and plentiful! Quill 00:07, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I'm at it already! I said I didn't want to edit, but I just can't help myself; after 10 years of this it's in my blood and I do it automatically. [Quill shakes head and sighs heavily.]
My question is, whom do I notify (and where) if I spot an error that I think needs fixing (other than a typo or something).
Case in point, I'm reading the Dog main article and this sentences strikes me:
Actually, 'mongrel' is the proper term for a dog of undetermined origin in any of the English dialects, not just British. 'Mutt' is short for 'muttonhead' and is slang for an idiot as well as for a mongrel.
So, if I want to point out that something like this should be corrected, without insulting the author, to whose attention do I bring it? Quill 00:55, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Okay, I'm trying to fix an inaccuracy here. I'm letting you know in case I mess it up.
The ETT is not exactly the same dog as the TMT, (not according to ETT purists, anyway) so I have entered the TMT on the list of dog breeds; I'm going to clarify the ETT stub. I'll also write to a breeder and see if the photo on the present ETT page is in fact an ETT or a TMT.
The redirect command from TMT to ETT with have to be deleted, and a TMT article written. Quill 23:57, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I found a webpage with some terrific images of Japanese Terriers, a breed it's very hard to get a picture of.
Here's my problem: I was going to write to the author for permission to use them on Wikipedia, but there's no e-mail address. There's an address for the webmaster, but that's it.
The webpage hasn't been updated since 2000.
Where do we stand on the use of these images, ie. can do or can't do? Quill 23:38, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There is a nice working dog article that is not in a category. Where do we put it?
Also, let's link to this article whenever we notice the words 'working dog' or 'working breed' in an article.
I see that Hephaestos changed the links for the corgi articles from Welsh Corgi (Type) to Type Corgi a while ago - I missed it at the time. It's something we've discussed before on this page, and I said then that I felt the titles should be as usually used by the registries (as in Corgi (Type)). I understand why Hephaestos changed them, it's not the usual way of titling articles, but in this case it is the conventional way of referring to the two breeds. Unless anyone objects I would like to restore the old titles and move the articles back. In the mean time, the articles should be listed alphabetically as well as cross-referenced so I've restored Anon's edits. -- sannse (talk) 19:29, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
So the Alaskan husky breed page uses lowercase on husky because it is a type rather than a breed. Now that this has been pointed out by someone naturally wanting to capitalize it here, it brings up the question whether this should be in the list of breeds or in the preceding list of types? If it's in the breeds, it shd be capitalized; if it's not a breed, it shdn't be in the breeds list? (I understand that it's even more of a "type" than, say, cockapoos or labradoodles. Back to that pesky where-do-we-draw-the-line question.) Elf | Talk 00:58, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Aug 2004 (UTC)
Which is more common, Italian Spinone or Spinone Italiano? The breed info (well, substub) was put up today under " Spinone Italiano", but the "Italian Spinone" is listed under Pointers. I got more hits in google for the first option. Opinions? Lachatdelarue 21:32, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
ok, i just posted my article for the american pit bull terrier. it's not 100% complete (of course), nor is it all i plan on writing, but it's a good start. it's the longest thing i've written for wikipedia so far, so i'd like everyone's opinion on it. Lachatdelarue 01:48, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requested_pictures#Dog_breeds; I'm working on filling in this list from existing articles; anyone else can feel free to do the same. :-) Elf | Talk 23:13, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
We've got this listed as the main breed name on this page; however, I see that it's not apparently recognized by any of the main kennel clubs we're using and it does have an alternative English name, the Austrian Short-Haired Pinscher. I haven't done a google search, but since this is an english-language encycl, and the nonEnglish version is so non-English, I'm inclined to use the English name as our main entry. Thoughts? (Sorry, that was me Elf | Talk asking).
Here's another set: The Croatian Mountain Dog, aka Croatian Tornjak, aka Croatian Shepherd. Apparently there are multiple Tornjaks, including the Bosnian Tornjak maybe AKA Bosnian Sheepdog. I've done a little poking around on the web but most of the pages I'm finding are somewhat amateur--even though some are breeders. So I'm not positive that these aren't duplicates of breeds we already have, but meanwhile I'm adding them to the breed list (since there's at least one page for them out there...). Another alias: "Bosnian-Herzegovinian sheepdog - tornjak" Elf | Talk 19:46, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
References:
tornjak.net have got in touch on my talk page. Apparently the Croatian Shepherd and the Croatian Mountain Dog Tornjak are different breeds. I would guess the same might be true of the Bosnian Tornjak and Bosnian Sheepdog. This is a section that needs more work it seems -- sannse (talk) 19:07, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
At least 2 all-breed clubs recognize the wirehaired and smoothhaired varieties as separate breeds, although others don't. My thought was that they should therefore have separate entries in the breed list here even if they end up at the same article--with the article treating them like we do Dachshunds. On the other hand, I see that this list doesn't include Miniature Dachshund, Wirehaired Dachshund, and so on as separate breeds, so, hmmm, I don't know, but I thought I ought to point it out. Elf | Talk 16:26, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SirIsaacBrock ( talk • contribs) .
Okay, I have re-read you User Talk page and have a better idea now. I believe that our list has breeds that are not on that compiled list, such as, Old English Bulldog and others, particularly the extinct breeds. Thanks SirIsaacBrock 01:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)