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Thank you for your contributions to this article. I did find earlier a website that said there were Saharawi missions in Madagascar and India, but then I found something else that said India no longer recognised the Saharoud government, so I presume there is no presence in New Delhi.
I recall back in the 1990s there was an embassy or some kind of mission in Hanoi. Do you know anything about it?
On some of your more recent edits:
Thanks! Kransky ( talk) 13:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
+Australian delegation. The links I send to you show clearly that: 1.There is a Sahrawi representative to Australia, who is also ambassador to Timor Leste (Almost sure by the info I search non-resident). 2.The other link of Kamal Fadel talk about the SYDNEY REPRESENTATIVE! what more u want?.
+African Union permanent representation. Please, take a lil' bit of your time consulting the references I give: 1.The pdf is the AU's official list of Permanent representations to the AU & embassadors to Ethiopia, based in Addis Ababa. One of them is "Mr. Lehbib Breika", ambassador of the SADR to Ethiopia & "permanent representative to the African Union". 2.One of the references of Ethiopia, states in it's own title "Lehbib Breika presents his letters of accreditation to African Union".If that's not a proof... 3.You have to update your knowledge about some issues, Morocco is THE ONLY AFRICAN COUNTRY who IS NOT member of the African Union. They withdrew from the organization in 1984, after the 1982 presence of the SADR @ the AU meetings and the full recognition of the SADR by the AU in 1984 (you can read about it in wikipedia).
+The Lesotho reference talks clearly about "the Ambassador of the Saharawi to Lesotho, Mohamed Yahia". The mission is sure non-resident (Lesotho is a tiny country), and it's sure that is based on Pretoria (South Africa), as Mohamed Yahia is ALSO the Sahrawi ambassador to South Africa (based in Pretoria). I included it as a external link because is an information that could be interesting for someone, and it's part of the diplomatic relations of the SADR.
For all that reasons, I revert your changes. I hope there is no problem on it, and all this have been a misundertanding. Regards.-- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Evidently we cannot agree to what goes into this article, and I note a previous editor also had issues with your edits. This is no great drama - good faith disputes are a common occurance in Wikipedia, and there are processes in place to resolve them.
My argument is that you have not yet provided what I consider is reliable evidence that the SADR government has an official presence in a number of countries, particuarly countries which do not recognise the SADR's sovereignty in Western Sahara. Indeed I have actively searched for anything that could corraborate your claims, but I have found nothing, although I stand corrected on the SADC having a presence in Addis Ababa (I am still uncertain about the authority of the website that claims SADC missions in New York and Geneva, but I will let that slide).
You have repeatedly told me to refer to sources (like this website) which you claim proves your point, but I cannot see any evidence that the persons mentioned run are "general delegations", or even if they have any form of legitimacy within the SADR.
If you consider other DMBC articles are insufficiently referenced, your efforts to improve those articles by finding references or adding "citation required" annotations would be appreciated. Just because one article is not to-the-letter consistent with a policy doesn't justify the elimination of that policy.
I understand your keen interest in the rights of the Sawahari people, as you specify on your user page, but I do not believe their cause is advanced by misrepresenting particular persons as "general delegations", no matter how well meaning the intent. In recognising your good faith, might I also politely ask you review what exactly Vandalism is before making such accusations.
Consequently I will revert the article back, but I am happy to direct this dispute to a third party to have it resolved if you still want to press the issue. Since the crux of our disagreement is over your reference material, might I suggest the matter be directed to the Reliable Sources noticeboard? Alternatively Wikipedia:Third opinion could be another option. Any thoughts?
I will post this message on both our talk pages, and the article talk page. As indicated earlier please lets debate this on just one board. Kransky ( talk) 05:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
The article's edit history suggests that a revert war is continuing. The article has been fully protected for one month. Please debate the outstanding issues here on the Talk page. If consensus is reached, ask for unprotection at WP:RFUP. If agreement can't be reached, follow the steps of WP:Dispute resolution. EdJohnston ( talk) 18:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed a number of cities that HCPUNXKID claims contains diplomatic missions of the SADR.
My position remains the same as when the same issue was edit-warred back in May 2010: I do not believe that the presence of a pro-Polisario activist, or a Polisario representative, constitutes a diplomatic mission. I believe I am applying the same weight of sovereignty for the case of SADR as I am to other countries. Please provide evidence that each particular mission cited is accredited by the Government of the SADR as being a diplomatic mission. Kransky ( talk) 05:46, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
If you respond, please note I will not be able to respond for about a week as I will be on holiday. Kransky ( talk) 06:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for your contributions to this article. I did find earlier a website that said there were Saharawi missions in Madagascar and India, but then I found something else that said India no longer recognised the Saharoud government, so I presume there is no presence in New Delhi.
I recall back in the 1990s there was an embassy or some kind of mission in Hanoi. Do you know anything about it?
On some of your more recent edits:
Thanks! Kransky ( talk) 13:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
+Australian delegation. The links I send to you show clearly that: 1.There is a Sahrawi representative to Australia, who is also ambassador to Timor Leste (Almost sure by the info I search non-resident). 2.The other link of Kamal Fadel talk about the SYDNEY REPRESENTATIVE! what more u want?.
+African Union permanent representation. Please, take a lil' bit of your time consulting the references I give: 1.The pdf is the AU's official list of Permanent representations to the AU & embassadors to Ethiopia, based in Addis Ababa. One of them is "Mr. Lehbib Breika", ambassador of the SADR to Ethiopia & "permanent representative to the African Union". 2.One of the references of Ethiopia, states in it's own title "Lehbib Breika presents his letters of accreditation to African Union".If that's not a proof... 3.You have to update your knowledge about some issues, Morocco is THE ONLY AFRICAN COUNTRY who IS NOT member of the African Union. They withdrew from the organization in 1984, after the 1982 presence of the SADR @ the AU meetings and the full recognition of the SADR by the AU in 1984 (you can read about it in wikipedia).
+The Lesotho reference talks clearly about "the Ambassador of the Saharawi to Lesotho, Mohamed Yahia". The mission is sure non-resident (Lesotho is a tiny country), and it's sure that is based on Pretoria (South Africa), as Mohamed Yahia is ALSO the Sahrawi ambassador to South Africa (based in Pretoria). I included it as a external link because is an information that could be interesting for someone, and it's part of the diplomatic relations of the SADR.
For all that reasons, I revert your changes. I hope there is no problem on it, and all this have been a misundertanding. Regards.-- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Evidently we cannot agree to what goes into this article, and I note a previous editor also had issues with your edits. This is no great drama - good faith disputes are a common occurance in Wikipedia, and there are processes in place to resolve them.
My argument is that you have not yet provided what I consider is reliable evidence that the SADR government has an official presence in a number of countries, particuarly countries which do not recognise the SADR's sovereignty in Western Sahara. Indeed I have actively searched for anything that could corraborate your claims, but I have found nothing, although I stand corrected on the SADC having a presence in Addis Ababa (I am still uncertain about the authority of the website that claims SADC missions in New York and Geneva, but I will let that slide).
You have repeatedly told me to refer to sources (like this website) which you claim proves your point, but I cannot see any evidence that the persons mentioned run are "general delegations", or even if they have any form of legitimacy within the SADR.
If you consider other DMBC articles are insufficiently referenced, your efforts to improve those articles by finding references or adding "citation required" annotations would be appreciated. Just because one article is not to-the-letter consistent with a policy doesn't justify the elimination of that policy.
I understand your keen interest in the rights of the Sawahari people, as you specify on your user page, but I do not believe their cause is advanced by misrepresenting particular persons as "general delegations", no matter how well meaning the intent. In recognising your good faith, might I also politely ask you review what exactly Vandalism is before making such accusations.
Consequently I will revert the article back, but I am happy to direct this dispute to a third party to have it resolved if you still want to press the issue. Since the crux of our disagreement is over your reference material, might I suggest the matter be directed to the Reliable Sources noticeboard? Alternatively Wikipedia:Third opinion could be another option. Any thoughts?
I will post this message on both our talk pages, and the article talk page. As indicated earlier please lets debate this on just one board. Kransky ( talk) 05:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
The article's edit history suggests that a revert war is continuing. The article has been fully protected for one month. Please debate the outstanding issues here on the Talk page. If consensus is reached, ask for unprotection at WP:RFUP. If agreement can't be reached, follow the steps of WP:Dispute resolution. EdJohnston ( talk) 18:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed a number of cities that HCPUNXKID claims contains diplomatic missions of the SADR.
My position remains the same as when the same issue was edit-warred back in May 2010: I do not believe that the presence of a pro-Polisario activist, or a Polisario representative, constitutes a diplomatic mission. I believe I am applying the same weight of sovereignty for the case of SADR as I am to other countries. Please provide evidence that each particular mission cited is accredited by the Government of the SADR as being a diplomatic mission. Kransky ( talk) 05:46, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
If you respond, please note I will not be able to respond for about a week as I will be on holiday. Kransky ( talk) 06:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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