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The IRA is a designated terrorist organisation in the UK. It is also an unlawful organisation in the Republic of Ireland under counter-terrorism laws, therefore the IRA is also considered as a terrorist organisation in the Republic of Ireland ( https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/terrorism) also ( https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1939/sro/162/made/en/print). On the Provisional Irish Republican Army page certain editors are reverting edits when other editors have described the PIRA as a terrorist organisation in the Republic of Ireland. Respectively, they appear to be showing POV and attempting to portray a favourable light on that organisation. I just wanted to get some other editor's thoughts on this from this page (as the editors here are hopefully less POV on the IRA topic!) - effectively is it objectively correct to state that the IRA is an unlawful terrorist organisation in the ROI? KR -- TheSquareMile ( talk) 00:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
If you take Al-Qaeda it's clearly labelled a "designated terrorist group". Now if we applied the same logic as the IRA it would merely be a "a proscribed organisation in the UK, a listed entity in Canada and a designated entity under EO 13224 in the United States". We'll all agree this is overcomplicated, blurring the lines, not the meaning of any of the laws and of the published sources. And it would be misleading for Wikipedia readers - you'd really expect all that to be clearer.Once again, this subject while complicated has been thoroughly reviewed and decided-if you wish to change this policy you may propose such through the appropriate channels. Once again, I really am assuming good faith but in order to do so you are forcing me to conclude that you are not well versed in either this area of the law or the The Troubles. The PIRA has never at any point been a designated terrorist group in the United States, nor was it deemed an illegal org-enabling the PIRA's US supporters much greater freedom to raise support for the group in stark contrast to the Republic where PIRA was illegal. Until the 1980s it was not even possible for the UK to extradite PIRA members from the US on terrorism charges due to the very real difference in legal recognition. The CIRA and RIRA are designated by the US-bu these are completely different groups. The PIRA status as a "proscribed organization" vs a terrorist org was of incredible importance as it meant that the Irish government did not extradite PIRA members to the UK for actions deemed terrorist activity by UK law (such as bombings and the killing of security forces)-however PIRA membership often did result in a modest prison term (~2-5 years in gaol). Accordingly please do not so summarily dismiss that the difference between merely "illegal" "designated terrorist" is one of semantics. OgamD218 ( talk) 16:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
changes are outright breaches of prior rulings/
this subject while complicated has been thoroughly reviewed and decided-if you wish to change this policy you may propose such through the appropriate channels=> Could you please reference those prior rulings and describe what would be the appropriate channels to propose changes? I couldn't find any clear decision on this (at least not on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles or on this talk page archives) and I was under the impression we were discussing potential changes here.
you are not well versed in either this area of the law or the The Troubles=> This is a personal attack again, I am once more asking you to stop this.
The PIRA has never at any point been a designated terrorist group in the United States=> This is not the question here, we're talking about Ireland.
Until the 1980s it was not even possible for the UK to extradite PIRA members=> I don't believe extradition protocols have anything to do with the designation of organisations. Again, it looks like we're trying to cherry pick small print excuses instead of applying a standard definition - back to my original point. If Germany didn't have extradition laws for Al Quaeda members but declared it terrorist would you go and override a whole sovereign country's labelling and say then we should call it illegal organisation because Germany couldn't actually extradite them at some point? AlanTheScientist ( talk) 17:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't believe extradition protocols have anything to do with the designation of organisations, extradition protocols are actually always different in this area. The fact remains however that this is not actually a debate, I was just trying to convey to you that a difference exists between Irish legalists labeling certain activities as terrorism and prosecuting laws meant to clamp down on forms of dissent that historical disrupt public order and actually legislating that a specific organization is official designated by law a terrorist group. Modern Ireland as standard practice extradites persons facing criminal prosecution in the uk-the fact that Ireland would extradite back to the UK murders in general but not those charged with murder as terrorist offense in the uk for killing british soldiers is inherently linked to the fact that doing so conflicted with Irish law which did not designate the PIRA as such-simultaneously the same individuals not (or in rare instances) being extradited from Ireland to the UK did face charges for belonging to an illegal org.
changes are outright breaches of prior rulings / this subject while complicated has been thoroughly reviewed and decided-if you wish to change this policy you may propose such through the appropriate channels -> Could you please reference those prior rulings and describe what would be the appropriate channels to propose changes?
It is not a personal attack to insinuate that you may not be well informed enough on a topic...=> Yes it is. Again, please discuss the topic instead of the editors. And again, we should use the same standards and external sources to build articles. Do you have any reliable external source supporting your claims here? (e.g. why the extradition law would impact how a country names terrorist organisations). I've added 20 reliable sources showing the double standard here and you only seem to use your own analysis and to be simply moving to new excuses to justify why the IRA should somehow not be listed as a terrorist organisation (from using the legal term "unlawful organisation" to now exploring extraditions). AlanTheScientist ( talk) 19:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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The Greek EOKA nationalist extremist terrorist organisation should be included in the List of designated terrorist groups. It was clearly designated as such by the UK ( British Cyprus), [1] and is currently by the Republic of Türkiye (Turkey) and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC, or Northern Cyprus.
See below the previous edit [2]:
|- | | EOKA | United Kingdom (incl. British Cyprus), [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Turkey, [8] Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus [9] [10] [11] |-
It was later suggested to me that "designated " in the article's title implies that the list should only include those groups that are formally declared to be terrorist groups by a government or relevant organization, and where there is a reference that explicitly says that.
Although this status is clearly inferred by the Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Ministry of Foreign Affairs (see the above edit), the inclusion of the United Kingdom was more on the basis of the historical pre-1960 Cyprus Government designating it as a terrorist organisation and treating it as such domestically and internationally, and while I provided a number of cross-verifiable sources that attest to this, I notice however that the British Government does have a policy paper titled Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations that is available online and which does not include EOKA among the list of proscribed terrorist groups.
It is therefore clear that including Britain here as a proscriber of EOKA as a terrorist organisation - even with inference to the British government in Cyprus which proscribed it as such then - is not necessary legally correct at this moment in time. The case of EOKA being proscribed a terrorist organisation by the governments of Türkiye and the TRNC however leaves absolutely no room for doubt.
This is the edit I now propose to make removing any reference to Britain:
|- | | EOKA | Turkey, [12] Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus [13] [14] [15] |-
Thoughts? Nargothronde ( talk) 14:17, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Like you have been told before, this is a list of groups that are officially designated as terror groups by a government or international organizations. You would need to provide an official statement that says the respective government have designated EOKA as a terrorist group, like this list from the Turkish Police or a reference to the legislation that designates EOKA as a terrorist group. That is the bar for inclusion on this page. It is not enough that someone uses the word "terrorist", especially when that someone is not part of the government, like British Movietone and the authors of the International Encyclopedia of Terrorism. Adding walls of text will not change that. Sjö ( talk) 05:18, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
It is obvious that EOKA has been called a terrorist group, but this is not the "list of groups that have been called terrorist"; if it was the article would be much, much longer. Politicians and organizations close to the government do use words like "criminal", "illegal". "usurper" or "terrorist" in their rethoric, but the use of those words has no legal effect whatsoever. It takes a formal decision by the relevant process of designation for that country or organisation to "designate" a group so that it can be included in this article. All that you have to do is provide the references that prove that such a formal decision has been made concerning EOKA. Sjö ( talk) 08:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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Now the scene in Ledra Street, Nicosia, a few seconds after a terrorist outrage. Our cameraman made this on the spot record of the riot squad and the pursuit of terrorists...
A special emergency session of the closely guarded courthouse at Nicosia. Alexandros Pantazis, faces a capital charge, another man who may have to face the sentence of death is Renos Kyriakides, brother of the Bishop of Kyrenia, he too was wounded while trying to escape the commandos.
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... the Greek Cypriot underground EOKA offered on Christmas Eve to change its terroristic course on Cyprus... British tommies scoured the mountains for EOKA terrorists...
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives.
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives."CYPRUS OUTRAGE". British Movietone. 19 December 1955. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
Now the scene in Ledra Street, Nicosia, a few seconds after a terrorist outrage. Our cameraman made this on the spot record of the riot squad and the pursuit of terrorists..."TERRORISTS ON TRIAL IN CYPRUS". British Movietone. 23 Jan 1956. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
A special emergency session of the closely guarded courthouse at Nicosia. Alexandros Pantazis, faces a capital charge, another man who may have to face the sentence of death is Renos Kyriakides, brother of the Bishop of Kyrenia, he too was wounded while trying to escape the commandos.Edwards, Aaron (23 May 2013). "Defending the realm: The politics of Britains small wars since 1945. Securing the base: fighting EOKA terrorists in Cyprus". Manchester Scholarship Online: 126-151. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
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"CYPRUS: Making Progress". Time Magazine. 26 January 1959. Retrieved 20 April 2023. ... the Greek Cypriot underground EOKA offered on Christmas Eve to change its terroristic course on Cyprus... British tommies scoured the mountains for EOKA terrorists...
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
The Greek Cypriots, who have not refrained from targeting the honor, life and property of the Turks, their neighbors, by the hands of the EOKA terrorist organization...
Turkey's Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the Greek Cypriot administration for celebrating the 65th anniversary of a far-right terrorist group, which was responsible for carrying out a massacre against Turkish Cypriots. Noting that Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots consider Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston (EOKA) as a terrorist organization, the ministry said it has caused irreversible damage to the latter.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
TRNC President Ersin Tatar condemned the EOKA terrorist organisation and all terrorist organisations that have caused trouble to Motherland Turkey. ... Stating that Greek Cypriot attacks still continue by changing shape and method, with the aim of isolations, embargoes, subversive activities to the economy, abolition of Turkey's guarantorship, removal of Turkish troops and destroying the state, Tatar indicated that they will continue to struggle against them, as in the past.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives."CYPRUS OUTRAGE". British Movietone. 19 December 1955. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
Now the scene in Ledra Street, Nicosia, a few seconds after a terrorist outrage. Our cameraman made this on the spot record of the riot squad and the pursuit of terrorists..."TERRORISTS ON TRIAL IN CYPRUS". British Movietone. 23 Jan 1956. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
A special emergency session of the closely guarded courthouse at Nicosia. Alexandros Pantazis, faces a capital charge, another man who may have to face the sentence of death is Renos Kyriakides, brother of the Bishop of Kyrenia, he too was wounded while trying to escape the commandos.Edwards, Aaron (23 May 2013). "Defending the realm: The politics of Britains small wars since 1945. Securing the base: fighting EOKA terrorists in Cyprus". Manchester Scholarship Online: 126-151. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
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"CYPRUS: Making Progress". Time Magazine. 26 January 1959. Retrieved 20 April 2023. ... the Greek Cypriot underground EOKA offered on Christmas Eve to change its terroristic course on Cyprus... British tommies scoured the mountains for EOKA terrorists...
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
The Greek Cypriots, who have not refrained from targeting the honor, life and property of the Turks, their neighbors, by the hands of the EOKA terrorist organization...
Turkey's Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the Greek Cypriot administration for celebrating the 65th anniversary of a far-right terrorist group, which was responsible for carrying out a massacre against Turkish Cypriots. Noting that Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots consider Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston (EOKA) as a terrorist organization, the ministry said it has caused irreversible damage to the latter.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
TRNC President Ersin Tatar condemned the EOKA terrorist organisation and all terrorist organisations that have caused trouble to Motherland Turkey. ... Stating that Greek Cypriot attacks still continue by changing shape and method, with the aim of isolations, embargoes, subversive activities to the economy, abolition of Turkey's guarantorship, removal of Turkish troops and destroying the state, Tatar indicated that they will continue to struggle against them, as in the past.
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I'm just saying that since the Quds force, the Russian government and the Iranian revolutionary guard are mentioned in the article, it should also be included under that logic (besides, this article does not make exceptions with organizations declared by Iran). 186.32.216.28 ( talk) 09:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
In the context of the recent removal of the flags of countries under MOS:DECOR, I wish to ask what editors think about removing the emblems/flags of terror groups as well? -- Minoa ( talk) 10:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades are just the military forces of Hamas, there is no reason to divide from it's military branch. Same with Islamic State, and it's military force, there is no reason to divide it from it's military force. Most, if not all, that regonize the second as terrorist also regocnize the first one. דוב ( talk) 22:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
With Russia's decision to consider the LGBT community "extremist", and the general lack of international consensus on the definition, the criteria for listing of organisations is becoming increasingly confusing, and also as subjective as the list of secret police organizations.
I have already stated in the lead that some entries are politically motivated, but sometimes I have a feeling that some should be separated or excluded if they are obviously nowhere close to being one, such as Meta Platforms (despite all their flaws).
I think we need to reconsider the criteria for inclusion of entries, or the way we present this article to account for the politically or ideologically motivated entries. -- Minoa ( talk) 05:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
I apologize in advance for the long wall of text.
I have made extensive updates to this list from time to time. Whenever I come back here, the state of the article seems appalling to me (and I'm not satisfied after editing it either). As national terrorist lists proliferate, both in number of entries, and number of lists, it only gets worse. Here is a summary of the problems I see, and some ideas to solve or mitigate them.
I think a course for the future could be moving listings to specific lists (or sections), and make the present article focus on the overall topic of terrorist designation lists:
Note that I'm not proposing rushing any drastic change. I would rather work first on getting per-country articles in good shape, start expanding this article with the academic literature, and only remove the current listings on this article when split articles provide equal or better coverage.
What do you think? MarioGom ( talk) 14:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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The IRA is a designated terrorist organisation in the UK. It is also an unlawful organisation in the Republic of Ireland under counter-terrorism laws, therefore the IRA is also considered as a terrorist organisation in the Republic of Ireland ( https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/terrorism) also ( https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1939/sro/162/made/en/print). On the Provisional Irish Republican Army page certain editors are reverting edits when other editors have described the PIRA as a terrorist organisation in the Republic of Ireland. Respectively, they appear to be showing POV and attempting to portray a favourable light on that organisation. I just wanted to get some other editor's thoughts on this from this page (as the editors here are hopefully less POV on the IRA topic!) - effectively is it objectively correct to state that the IRA is an unlawful terrorist organisation in the ROI? KR -- TheSquareMile ( talk) 00:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
If you take Al-Qaeda it's clearly labelled a "designated terrorist group". Now if we applied the same logic as the IRA it would merely be a "a proscribed organisation in the UK, a listed entity in Canada and a designated entity under EO 13224 in the United States". We'll all agree this is overcomplicated, blurring the lines, not the meaning of any of the laws and of the published sources. And it would be misleading for Wikipedia readers - you'd really expect all that to be clearer.Once again, this subject while complicated has been thoroughly reviewed and decided-if you wish to change this policy you may propose such through the appropriate channels. Once again, I really am assuming good faith but in order to do so you are forcing me to conclude that you are not well versed in either this area of the law or the The Troubles. The PIRA has never at any point been a designated terrorist group in the United States, nor was it deemed an illegal org-enabling the PIRA's US supporters much greater freedom to raise support for the group in stark contrast to the Republic where PIRA was illegal. Until the 1980s it was not even possible for the UK to extradite PIRA members from the US on terrorism charges due to the very real difference in legal recognition. The CIRA and RIRA are designated by the US-bu these are completely different groups. The PIRA status as a "proscribed organization" vs a terrorist org was of incredible importance as it meant that the Irish government did not extradite PIRA members to the UK for actions deemed terrorist activity by UK law (such as bombings and the killing of security forces)-however PIRA membership often did result in a modest prison term (~2-5 years in gaol). Accordingly please do not so summarily dismiss that the difference between merely "illegal" "designated terrorist" is one of semantics. OgamD218 ( talk) 16:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
changes are outright breaches of prior rulings/
this subject while complicated has been thoroughly reviewed and decided-if you wish to change this policy you may propose such through the appropriate channels=> Could you please reference those prior rulings and describe what would be the appropriate channels to propose changes? I couldn't find any clear decision on this (at least not on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles or on this talk page archives) and I was under the impression we were discussing potential changes here.
you are not well versed in either this area of the law or the The Troubles=> This is a personal attack again, I am once more asking you to stop this.
The PIRA has never at any point been a designated terrorist group in the United States=> This is not the question here, we're talking about Ireland.
Until the 1980s it was not even possible for the UK to extradite PIRA members=> I don't believe extradition protocols have anything to do with the designation of organisations. Again, it looks like we're trying to cherry pick small print excuses instead of applying a standard definition - back to my original point. If Germany didn't have extradition laws for Al Quaeda members but declared it terrorist would you go and override a whole sovereign country's labelling and say then we should call it illegal organisation because Germany couldn't actually extradite them at some point? AlanTheScientist ( talk) 17:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't believe extradition protocols have anything to do with the designation of organisations, extradition protocols are actually always different in this area. The fact remains however that this is not actually a debate, I was just trying to convey to you that a difference exists between Irish legalists labeling certain activities as terrorism and prosecuting laws meant to clamp down on forms of dissent that historical disrupt public order and actually legislating that a specific organization is official designated by law a terrorist group. Modern Ireland as standard practice extradites persons facing criminal prosecution in the uk-the fact that Ireland would extradite back to the UK murders in general but not those charged with murder as terrorist offense in the uk for killing british soldiers is inherently linked to the fact that doing so conflicted with Irish law which did not designate the PIRA as such-simultaneously the same individuals not (or in rare instances) being extradited from Ireland to the UK did face charges for belonging to an illegal org.
changes are outright breaches of prior rulings / this subject while complicated has been thoroughly reviewed and decided-if you wish to change this policy you may propose such through the appropriate channels -> Could you please reference those prior rulings and describe what would be the appropriate channels to propose changes?
It is not a personal attack to insinuate that you may not be well informed enough on a topic...=> Yes it is. Again, please discuss the topic instead of the editors. And again, we should use the same standards and external sources to build articles. Do you have any reliable external source supporting your claims here? (e.g. why the extradition law would impact how a country names terrorist organisations). I've added 20 reliable sources showing the double standard here and you only seem to use your own analysis and to be simply moving to new excuses to justify why the IRA should somehow not be listed as a terrorist organisation (from using the legal term "unlawful organisation" to now exploring extraditions). AlanTheScientist ( talk) 19:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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The Greek EOKA nationalist extremist terrorist organisation should be included in the List of designated terrorist groups. It was clearly designated as such by the UK ( British Cyprus), [1] and is currently by the Republic of Türkiye (Turkey) and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC, or Northern Cyprus.
See below the previous edit [2]:
|- | | EOKA | United Kingdom (incl. British Cyprus), [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Turkey, [8] Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus [9] [10] [11] |-
It was later suggested to me that "designated " in the article's title implies that the list should only include those groups that are formally declared to be terrorist groups by a government or relevant organization, and where there is a reference that explicitly says that.
Although this status is clearly inferred by the Republic of Türkiye Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Ministry of Foreign Affairs (see the above edit), the inclusion of the United Kingdom was more on the basis of the historical pre-1960 Cyprus Government designating it as a terrorist organisation and treating it as such domestically and internationally, and while I provided a number of cross-verifiable sources that attest to this, I notice however that the British Government does have a policy paper titled Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations that is available online and which does not include EOKA among the list of proscribed terrorist groups.
It is therefore clear that including Britain here as a proscriber of EOKA as a terrorist organisation - even with inference to the British government in Cyprus which proscribed it as such then - is not necessary legally correct at this moment in time. The case of EOKA being proscribed a terrorist organisation by the governments of Türkiye and the TRNC however leaves absolutely no room for doubt.
This is the edit I now propose to make removing any reference to Britain:
|- | | EOKA | Turkey, [12] Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus [13] [14] [15] |-
Thoughts? Nargothronde ( talk) 14:17, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Like you have been told before, this is a list of groups that are officially designated as terror groups by a government or international organizations. You would need to provide an official statement that says the respective government have designated EOKA as a terrorist group, like this list from the Turkish Police or a reference to the legislation that designates EOKA as a terrorist group. That is the bar for inclusion on this page. It is not enough that someone uses the word "terrorist", especially when that someone is not part of the government, like British Movietone and the authors of the International Encyclopedia of Terrorism. Adding walls of text will not change that. Sjö ( talk) 05:18, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
It is obvious that EOKA has been called a terrorist group, but this is not the "list of groups that have been called terrorist"; if it was the article would be much, much longer. Politicians and organizations close to the government do use words like "criminal", "illegal". "usurper" or "terrorist" in their rethoric, but the use of those words has no legal effect whatsoever. It takes a formal decision by the relevant process of designation for that country or organisation to "designate" a group so that it can be included in this article. All that you have to do is provide the references that prove that such a formal decision has been made concerning EOKA. Sjö ( talk) 08:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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Now the scene in Ledra Street, Nicosia, a few seconds after a terrorist outrage. Our cameraman made this on the spot record of the riot squad and the pursuit of terrorists...
A special emergency session of the closely guarded courthouse at Nicosia. Alexandros Pantazis, faces a capital charge, another man who may have to face the sentence of death is Renos Kyriakides, brother of the Bishop of Kyrenia, he too was wounded while trying to escape the commandos.
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... the Greek Cypriot underground EOKA offered on Christmas Eve to change its terroristic course on Cyprus... British tommies scoured the mountains for EOKA terrorists...
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives.
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives."CYPRUS OUTRAGE". British Movietone. 19 December 1955. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
Now the scene in Ledra Street, Nicosia, a few seconds after a terrorist outrage. Our cameraman made this on the spot record of the riot squad and the pursuit of terrorists..."TERRORISTS ON TRIAL IN CYPRUS". British Movietone. 23 Jan 1956. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
A special emergency session of the closely guarded courthouse at Nicosia. Alexandros Pantazis, faces a capital charge, another man who may have to face the sentence of death is Renos Kyriakides, brother of the Bishop of Kyrenia, he too was wounded while trying to escape the commandos.Edwards, Aaron (23 May 2013). "Defending the realm: The politics of Britains small wars since 1945. Securing the base: fighting EOKA terrorists in Cyprus". Manchester Scholarship Online: 126-151. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
The terrorist group EOKA...
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"CYPRUS: Making Progress". Time Magazine. 26 January 1959. Retrieved 20 April 2023. ... the Greek Cypriot underground EOKA offered on Christmas Eve to change its terroristic course on Cyprus... British tommies scoured the mountains for EOKA terrorists...
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
The Greek Cypriots, who have not refrained from targeting the honor, life and property of the Turks, their neighbors, by the hands of the EOKA terrorist organization...
Turkey's Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the Greek Cypriot administration for celebrating the 65th anniversary of a far-right terrorist group, which was responsible for carrying out a massacre against Turkish Cypriots. Noting that Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots consider Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston (EOKA) as a terrorist organization, the ministry said it has caused irreversible damage to the latter.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
TRNC President Ersin Tatar condemned the EOKA terrorist organisation and all terrorist organisations that have caused trouble to Motherland Turkey. ... Stating that Greek Cypriot attacks still continue by changing shape and method, with the aim of isolations, embargoes, subversive activities to the economy, abolition of Turkey's guarantorship, removal of Turkish troops and destroying the state, Tatar indicated that they will continue to struggle against them, as in the past.
In 1954, Greece had tried and failed to persuade the UN to take up the case for Cyprus... Then, on April 1, 1955, the same day it issued pamphlets, EOKA began its terrorist campaign. Using explosives stolen from the British army and weapons smuggled from Greece, EOKA bombed British government offices in Cyprus and murdered British subjects and Cypriots. Attacks often took place in broad daylight, killing women, children, and members of the clergy. ... By November, the situation was so serious that the British declared a state of emergency on Cyprus. ... On November 26, the day the emergency was declared, EOKA terrorists hurled a grenade into the ballroom of the Ledra Palace Hotel in Nicosia (Lefkoşa). ... Principal towns in Cyprus, and the locations of major EOKA terrorist attacks. ... In its terrorist campaign from 1954 to 1958, EOKA exploded 1,782 bombs, causing damage in the millions of dollars. ... The EOKA campaign cost the lives of at least 104 soldiers, 50 police, 238 civilians, and 90 EOKA operatives."CYPRUS OUTRAGE". British Movietone. 19 December 1955. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
Now the scene in Ledra Street, Nicosia, a few seconds after a terrorist outrage. Our cameraman made this on the spot record of the riot squad and the pursuit of terrorists..."TERRORISTS ON TRIAL IN CYPRUS". British Movietone. 23 Jan 1956. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
A special emergency session of the closely guarded courthouse at Nicosia. Alexandros Pantazis, faces a capital charge, another man who may have to face the sentence of death is Renos Kyriakides, brother of the Bishop of Kyrenia, he too was wounded while trying to escape the commandos.Edwards, Aaron (23 May 2013). "Defending the realm: The politics of Britains small wars since 1945. Securing the base: fighting EOKA terrorists in Cyprus". Manchester Scholarship Online: 126-151. Retrieved 20 April 2023.
The terrorist group EOKA...
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"CYPRUS: Making Progress". Time Magazine. 26 January 1959. Retrieved 20 April 2023. ... the Greek Cypriot underground EOKA offered on Christmas Eve to change its terroristic course on Cyprus... British tommies scoured the mountains for EOKA terrorists...
EOKA, of which 66th anniversary was celebrated with commemoration ceremonies by the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, is a terrorist organization for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organization between 1963-1974, with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the Island, remains fresh in the memories. Despite all this, the fact that the Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus still celebrates EOKA's founding anniversary and issues stamps in its memory is yet another proof that the Greek Cypriot mentality that ignores the very existence of the Turkish Cypriots and views them as a minority, still prevails today. Turkey, as in the past, will always continue to stand by the TRNC and our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters, for their security and prosperity.
The Greek Cypriots, who have not refrained from targeting the honor, life and property of the Turks, their neighbors, by the hands of the EOKA terrorist organization...
Turkey's Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the Greek Cypriot administration for celebrating the 65th anniversary of a far-right terrorist group, which was responsible for carrying out a massacre against Turkish Cypriots. Noting that Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots consider Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston (EOKA) as a terrorist organization, the ministry said it has caused irreversible damage to the latter.
EOKA... is a terrorist organisation for Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot people. The pain caused by the inhumane massacres carried out by this terrorist organisation between 1963-1974 with the aim to eliminate the existence of the Turkish Cypriots on the island remains fresh in the memories.
... the notorious EOKA terrorist organisation... As is well known and fully documented, the Greek Cypriot EOKA organization began its campaign of terror in 1955 with the active participation of the Greek Orthodox Church and with the full military and material backing of Greece... EOKA became one (of) the most ruthless terrorist organizations of the time and, over the years, perpetrated countless crimes ranging from armed intimidation to cold-blooded murders, rape and robbery... There is nothing in its abhorrent history that would justify the description of this organization as a national liberation organization... It will be clearly apparent from these facts that EOKA's violent campaign, which started in 1955 and cost hundrds of Turkish Cypriot, British as well as Greek Cypriot lives, was neither national nor for liberation... The bloodshed and violence caused by this terrorist organization and its successor constitute such a shameful page in the recent history of Cyprus that even those who have had remote association with it should remember it with horror and a sense of guilt... The present attempt by the Greek Cypriot House of Representatives... to posthumously turn the EOKA terrorist organization into a national liberation organization is not only a sign of the unrepentant attitude which prevails on the Greek Cypriot side, but is also an unfortunate and futile effort aimed at re-writing the recent history of Cyprus... It should not be forgotten that one aspect of the bitter legacy left by the terrorist EOKA organization was the deep division caused between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples of Cyprus accompanied by a strong sense of fear and mistrust.
TRNC President Ersin Tatar condemned the EOKA terrorist organisation and all terrorist organisations that have caused trouble to Motherland Turkey. ... Stating that Greek Cypriot attacks still continue by changing shape and method, with the aim of isolations, embargoes, subversive activities to the economy, abolition of Turkey's guarantorship, removal of Turkish troops and destroying the state, Tatar indicated that they will continue to struggle against them, as in the past.
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I'm just saying that since the Quds force, the Russian government and the Iranian revolutionary guard are mentioned in the article, it should also be included under that logic (besides, this article does not make exceptions with organizations declared by Iran). 186.32.216.28 ( talk) 09:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
In the context of the recent removal of the flags of countries under MOS:DECOR, I wish to ask what editors think about removing the emblems/flags of terror groups as well? -- Minoa ( talk) 10:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades are just the military forces of Hamas, there is no reason to divide from it's military branch. Same with Islamic State, and it's military force, there is no reason to divide it from it's military force. Most, if not all, that regonize the second as terrorist also regocnize the first one. דוב ( talk) 22:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
With Russia's decision to consider the LGBT community "extremist", and the general lack of international consensus on the definition, the criteria for listing of organisations is becoming increasingly confusing, and also as subjective as the list of secret police organizations.
I have already stated in the lead that some entries are politically motivated, but sometimes I have a feeling that some should be separated or excluded if they are obviously nowhere close to being one, such as Meta Platforms (despite all their flaws).
I think we need to reconsider the criteria for inclusion of entries, or the way we present this article to account for the politically or ideologically motivated entries. -- Minoa ( talk) 05:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
I apologize in advance for the long wall of text.
I have made extensive updates to this list from time to time. Whenever I come back here, the state of the article seems appalling to me (and I'm not satisfied after editing it either). As national terrorist lists proliferate, both in number of entries, and number of lists, it only gets worse. Here is a summary of the problems I see, and some ideas to solve or mitigate them.
I think a course for the future could be moving listings to specific lists (or sections), and make the present article focus on the overall topic of terrorist designation lists:
Note that I'm not proposing rushing any drastic change. I would rather work first on getting per-country articles in good shape, start expanding this article with the academic literature, and only remove the current listings on this article when split articles provide equal or better coverage.
What do you think? MarioGom ( talk) 14:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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