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If this were merged with List of population centres in New Brunswick, the resulting article would be greater than the sum of these two parts. -- Cornellier ( talk) 14:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
If you want to create List of census areas in New Brunswick, I recommend census stats be excluded and that all named geographies be included (so all CSDs are included and not just IRs). That said, there is already List of communities in New Brunswick, which could be an alternative. Hwy43 ( talk) 19:50, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The items listed under "Name" are presumably "designated places", all but one of which is described as Type="Local service district". The expectation therefore is that clicking a link under name would open an article about an LSD that is a DPL. But that is not the case. Here are just a few examples:
place | what the click-thru displays | what census canada says | comment |
---|---|---|---|
Pokemouche | an LSD | Pokemouche, Local service district Designated place | the expected outcome |
Alcida, New Brunswick | Alcida and Dauversière ... often erroneously cited as a local service district | Alcida, Local service district Designated place | DPL, but LSD or not LSD? |
Beaubassin East, New Brunswick | is a Canadian Rural Community | Beaubassin East / Beaubassin-est, Rural community (CSD) | neither a DPL nor an LSD? |
Gauvreau-Petit Tracadie | ...is the first and only regional municipality in the province of New Brunswick | Local service district Designated place | it's an LSD/DPL but the link is to a municipality |
Douglas Parish | Divided between Fredericton and the local service districts of Estey's Bridge and the parish of Douglas | Douglas, Parish Census subdivision | neither a DPL nor an LSD? |
-- Cornellier ( talk) 23:48, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Not seeing Beaubassin East, New Brunswick or Douglas Parish, New Brunswick in the list or the StatCan source table. Presumably redirects of DPLs are taking you there.
If the target articles of the redirects don’t mention the DPLs that point there, assistance would be appreciated rectifying these. I see ~65 DPLs are redirects based on the frequency of italicized entries at Category:Designated places in New Brunswick. Hwy43 ( talk) 01:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Let's break this down. Start with the first line, there's no WP page for the DPL (it is unlikely that a DPL with a population of 208 is notable enough to have a page), nor for the LSD that contains it. The DPL of Gauvreau-Petit Tracadie has no page, but the municipality that contains it does. It is accurate to present it as:
Census Designated Place | Local government | Population |
---|---|---|
Alcida | Local service district of the parish of Beresford | 208 |
Gauvreau-Petit Tracadie | Regional Municipality of Tracadie | 413 |
According to Statistics Canada Beaubassin East and Douglas Parish are not DPLs but are a Rural community and Census subdivision respectively, so not sure they should be in a list of DPLs. -- Cornellier ( talk) 13:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
As for the redirects, I build these updated tables through an Excel-based concatenation process. My process has evolved already since doing this list. It auto-builds wikilinks for every designated place. If I have to customize to remove wikilink code where articles don't exist or to bypass existing redirects (as was the case with Douglas Parish, New Brunswick to avoid Estey's Bridge, New Brunswick), I might as well build these from scratch. This would take forever to do and as such I wouldn't be motivated to do in the first place.
At the end of the day, WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP and some of these DPLs may already warrant articles (we have thousands of community articles for places with population counts less than 208). As StatCan publishes census profiles for these communities, we can have people coming over from StatCan searching Alcida, New Brunswick hoping to find out more. Let's give them a place to land rather than a search yielding no results.
For the ~65 DPLs that are redirects, let's make sure each targeted article says something about the DPL subject to the incoming redirect (see how Dennis-Weston, New Brunswick redirects to Saint Stephen Parish, New Brunswick#Dennis-Weston). This is also on my to do list but I could go largely inactive at any moment for an extended period like most recently July 2020 to July 2021. It appears you both are editors from New Brunswick and are probably more efficient given your local knowledge. I would greatly appreciate the help on that rather than being subjected to grief about how a four-year long overdue table update isn't perfect. Hwy43 ( talk) 16:47, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
So it should be like this (right four columns omitted)
Name | Type | Governance | Population (2016) |
---|---|---|---|
Alcida | Unincorporated area | Local service district of the parish of Beresford | 208 |
-- Cornellier ( talk) 19:34, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Name | Type | Census subdivision | Population (2016) |
---|---|---|---|
Alcida | Local service district | Beresford | 208 |
Name | Type | Census division | Population (2016) |
---|---|---|---|
Alcida | Local service district | Gloucester County | 208 |
I just made a minor change to the Local service district (New Brunswick) page. Have the Type Local service district link to Local_service_district_(New_Brunswick)#Other_uses_of_local_service_district, where the distinction is explained.
It's not convoluted logic. It's easy enough to understand if you actually read the cited materials. One term, four different uses or misuses. It's not a concept anyone else seems to have trouble with. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 00:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Is this different from linking to a disambiguation page? I was under the impression it was to be avoided. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 16:42, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
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If this were merged with List of population centres in New Brunswick, the resulting article would be greater than the sum of these two parts. -- Cornellier ( talk) 14:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
If you want to create List of census areas in New Brunswick, I recommend census stats be excluded and that all named geographies be included (so all CSDs are included and not just IRs). That said, there is already List of communities in New Brunswick, which could be an alternative. Hwy43 ( talk) 19:50, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The items listed under "Name" are presumably "designated places", all but one of which is described as Type="Local service district". The expectation therefore is that clicking a link under name would open an article about an LSD that is a DPL. But that is not the case. Here are just a few examples:
place | what the click-thru displays | what census canada says | comment |
---|---|---|---|
Pokemouche | an LSD | Pokemouche, Local service district Designated place | the expected outcome |
Alcida, New Brunswick | Alcida and Dauversière ... often erroneously cited as a local service district | Alcida, Local service district Designated place | DPL, but LSD or not LSD? |
Beaubassin East, New Brunswick | is a Canadian Rural Community | Beaubassin East / Beaubassin-est, Rural community (CSD) | neither a DPL nor an LSD? |
Gauvreau-Petit Tracadie | ...is the first and only regional municipality in the province of New Brunswick | Local service district Designated place | it's an LSD/DPL but the link is to a municipality |
Douglas Parish | Divided between Fredericton and the local service districts of Estey's Bridge and the parish of Douglas | Douglas, Parish Census subdivision | neither a DPL nor an LSD? |
-- Cornellier ( talk) 23:48, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Not seeing Beaubassin East, New Brunswick or Douglas Parish, New Brunswick in the list or the StatCan source table. Presumably redirects of DPLs are taking you there.
If the target articles of the redirects don’t mention the DPLs that point there, assistance would be appreciated rectifying these. I see ~65 DPLs are redirects based on the frequency of italicized entries at Category:Designated places in New Brunswick. Hwy43 ( talk) 01:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Let's break this down. Start with the first line, there's no WP page for the DPL (it is unlikely that a DPL with a population of 208 is notable enough to have a page), nor for the LSD that contains it. The DPL of Gauvreau-Petit Tracadie has no page, but the municipality that contains it does. It is accurate to present it as:
Census Designated Place | Local government | Population |
---|---|---|
Alcida | Local service district of the parish of Beresford | 208 |
Gauvreau-Petit Tracadie | Regional Municipality of Tracadie | 413 |
According to Statistics Canada Beaubassin East and Douglas Parish are not DPLs but are a Rural community and Census subdivision respectively, so not sure they should be in a list of DPLs. -- Cornellier ( talk) 13:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
As for the redirects, I build these updated tables through an Excel-based concatenation process. My process has evolved already since doing this list. It auto-builds wikilinks for every designated place. If I have to customize to remove wikilink code where articles don't exist or to bypass existing redirects (as was the case with Douglas Parish, New Brunswick to avoid Estey's Bridge, New Brunswick), I might as well build these from scratch. This would take forever to do and as such I wouldn't be motivated to do in the first place.
At the end of the day, WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP and some of these DPLs may already warrant articles (we have thousands of community articles for places with population counts less than 208). As StatCan publishes census profiles for these communities, we can have people coming over from StatCan searching Alcida, New Brunswick hoping to find out more. Let's give them a place to land rather than a search yielding no results.
For the ~65 DPLs that are redirects, let's make sure each targeted article says something about the DPL subject to the incoming redirect (see how Dennis-Weston, New Brunswick redirects to Saint Stephen Parish, New Brunswick#Dennis-Weston). This is also on my to do list but I could go largely inactive at any moment for an extended period like most recently July 2020 to July 2021. It appears you both are editors from New Brunswick and are probably more efficient given your local knowledge. I would greatly appreciate the help on that rather than being subjected to grief about how a four-year long overdue table update isn't perfect. Hwy43 ( talk) 16:47, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
So it should be like this (right four columns omitted)
Name | Type | Governance | Population (2016) |
---|---|---|---|
Alcida | Unincorporated area | Local service district of the parish of Beresford | 208 |
-- Cornellier ( talk) 19:34, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Name | Type | Census subdivision | Population (2016) |
---|---|---|---|
Alcida | Local service district | Beresford | 208 |
Name | Type | Census division | Population (2016) |
---|---|---|---|
Alcida | Local service district | Gloucester County | 208 |
I just made a minor change to the Local service district (New Brunswick) page. Have the Type Local service district link to Local_service_district_(New_Brunswick)#Other_uses_of_local_service_district, where the distinction is explained.
It's not convoluted logic. It's easy enough to understand if you actually read the cited materials. One term, four different uses or misuses. It's not a concept anyone else seems to have trouble with. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 00:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Is this different from linking to a disambiguation page? I was under the impression it was to be avoided. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 16:42, 5 September 2021 (UTC)