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The 2022 report is out. The maps need to be updated. Greysholic ( talk) 17:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding "Wealth in" links to the tables adds confusion for someone interested in reading through country wiki pages for economic comparisons - especially given that most links are "Economy In" links. I recommend linking to "Economy In" links, such as /info/en/?search=Economy_of_the_United_States - instead of "Wealth in" links unless an Economy page is unavailable so it's an apples-to-apples comparison of information. Peckikipedia ( talk) 22:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
The main element affecting the level of wealth are the interest rates of central banks. At 0%, a secure annuity of $1 has a non-computable value (div//0) Rising interest rates destroy wealth for example the value of the real estate decreases when the rates go up. D.Forgeat ( talk) 06:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
This appears to be out now (different website to earlier years, because UBS tookover Credit Suisse):
https://www.ubs.com/global/en/family-office-uhnw/reports/global-wealth-report-2023.html Quentin Johnson ( talk) 06:45, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
What is going on with the reported median wealth of 90k in Qatar? The mean wealth of 164k is only 83% higher than the median wealth which is unheard of in the gulf states. Mean wealth is 506% higher than median wealth in Bahrain, 380% in the UAE, 339% in Saudi Arabia, 330% in Oman and 321% in Kuwait. Qatar's figure puts it at the 7th-lowest relative increase between median and mean wealth globally, only outmatched by Malta, Luxembourg, Slovakia, Slovenia, Belgium and Iceland. 2A02:810B:F3F:FC7C:8400:434A:FBB5:C187 ( talk) 20:07, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Timeshifter, you reverted my edit for a reason I do not understand. Per WP:CLICKHERE, we should not instruct the reader on how to use a given source. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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Click info icon on "Household net wealth" column header to get yearsto avoid saying "click here". Likewise, how would you change
To see this, click on the header of the median wealth column and put it in descending orderto be compliant with WP:CLICKHERE?Separately, did you intend to revert when I moved the links to Category:Wealth by country and Category:Economies by country to the see also section? House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
"Income in Detail by Country" entries include estimates of mean household net wealth. Entries link to BLI database. Click info icon on "Household net wealth" column header to get years.is not listing page numbers: it is telling people how to use a source. WP:NOTHOWTO applies. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
this does not apply to references? Policies apply everywhere in mainspace unless it says otherwise.What textual information is it verifying? House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Describing to the reader how people or things use or do something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something is not(emphasis mine). House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
To see this, click on the header of the median wealth column and put it in descending order.? The more I think about it, the more I think that (and the preceding sentence) are WP:OR-esque. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I am responding here from a request at WP:3O. First off, a friendly reminder that WP:CIVIL is policy. Comments such as "can you not read" and "parts that you don't understand" are simply not helpful and should be struck, apologized for, and not repeated.
This article contains some commentary that is unnecessary and amounts to bloat. For example, we needn't define the commonly used terms "mean" and "median" in article prose: the bluelinks are sufficient. Similarly, we don't need to say in prose "links are economy of X": it is self-evident where links lead. We also don't need to explain how to use embedded tables: our articles should be focused on the subject not meta-content. We should include a direct link to the BLI database in our references, either as a separate reference after the more generic BLI splash page or as a grouped reference using Template:Unbulleted list citebundle or similar template. The linked web interface on the BLI database is simple enough that I don't see any need for in-reference annotation of how to use it.
A reference could be selected from those cited at Gini coefficient to resolve WP:OR concerns about the relevance of the disparity between mean and median wealth.
Listing of categories, either in the See Also section or elsewhere in the article, as if they were bluelinks is unusual in my experience. I'm not sure if we have a manual style "rule" about that but it seems wrong to me. Just include them in the article categories, or create a similar list article and link that instead. VQuakr ( talk) 22:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.Until you demonstrate affirmative consensus to include the information, it does not stay in the article. If they don't know what the mean/median is, they can click the link. In the US, it is taught to sixth graders. In the UK, it is part of Key Stage 3. In Canada, it is taught in fourth grade. Do you have any examples of countries in which it is not taught to teenagers?My substantive reason for excluding it is information overload. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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The median and mean wealth per adult table lists New Zealand's population in 2023 as 3.68 million, where it was actually 5.2 million in 2023.
Source -
https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/population/
2404:440E:2725:8F00:ED16:5113:7784:73BC (
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The Wealth estimates are not of same quality. It is best to mention how good the estimates are in the article itself. Ideally color code the Wealth estimates such that Data Quality above Poor is Green and Poor/Extremely Poor is Red.
The source "Global Wealth Databook 2023" mentions the quality of the estimates in Page 20.
Thanks. 45.251.35.190 ( talk) 14:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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The 2022 report is out. The maps need to be updated. Greysholic ( talk) 17:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding "Wealth in" links to the tables adds confusion for someone interested in reading through country wiki pages for economic comparisons - especially given that most links are "Economy In" links. I recommend linking to "Economy In" links, such as /info/en/?search=Economy_of_the_United_States - instead of "Wealth in" links unless an Economy page is unavailable so it's an apples-to-apples comparison of information. Peckikipedia ( talk) 22:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
The main element affecting the level of wealth are the interest rates of central banks. At 0%, a secure annuity of $1 has a non-computable value (div//0) Rising interest rates destroy wealth for example the value of the real estate decreases when the rates go up. D.Forgeat ( talk) 06:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
This appears to be out now (different website to earlier years, because UBS tookover Credit Suisse):
https://www.ubs.com/global/en/family-office-uhnw/reports/global-wealth-report-2023.html Quentin Johnson ( talk) 06:45, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
What is going on with the reported median wealth of 90k in Qatar? The mean wealth of 164k is only 83% higher than the median wealth which is unheard of in the gulf states. Mean wealth is 506% higher than median wealth in Bahrain, 380% in the UAE, 339% in Saudi Arabia, 330% in Oman and 321% in Kuwait. Qatar's figure puts it at the 7th-lowest relative increase between median and mean wealth globally, only outmatched by Malta, Luxembourg, Slovakia, Slovenia, Belgium and Iceland. 2A02:810B:F3F:FC7C:8400:434A:FBB5:C187 ( talk) 20:07, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Timeshifter, you reverted my edit for a reason I do not understand. Per WP:CLICKHERE, we should not instruct the reader on how to use a given source. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Although Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, articles should be written in a manner that facilitates transmission in other forms such as print, spoken word, and via a screen reader. So terms such as "this article" are preferable to "this webpage", and phrases like "click here" should be avoided. In determining what language is most suitable, it may be helpful to imagine writing the article for a print encyclopedia. |
Click info icon on "Household net wealth" column header to get yearsto avoid saying "click here". Likewise, how would you change
To see this, click on the header of the median wealth column and put it in descending orderto be compliant with WP:CLICKHERE?Separately, did you intend to revert when I moved the links to Category:Wealth by country and Category:Economies by country to the see also section? House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
"Income in Detail by Country" entries include estimates of mean household net wealth. Entries link to BLI database. Click info icon on "Household net wealth" column header to get years.is not listing page numbers: it is telling people how to use a source. WP:NOTHOWTO applies. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 17:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
this does not apply to references? Policies apply everywhere in mainspace unless it says otherwise.What textual information is it verifying? House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 18:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Describing to the reader how people or things use or do something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something is not(emphasis mine). House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
To see this, click on the header of the median wealth column and put it in descending order.? The more I think about it, the more I think that (and the preceding sentence) are WP:OR-esque. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I am responding here from a request at WP:3O. First off, a friendly reminder that WP:CIVIL is policy. Comments such as "can you not read" and "parts that you don't understand" are simply not helpful and should be struck, apologized for, and not repeated.
This article contains some commentary that is unnecessary and amounts to bloat. For example, we needn't define the commonly used terms "mean" and "median" in article prose: the bluelinks are sufficient. Similarly, we don't need to say in prose "links are economy of X": it is self-evident where links lead. We also don't need to explain how to use embedded tables: our articles should be focused on the subject not meta-content. We should include a direct link to the BLI database in our references, either as a separate reference after the more generic BLI splash page or as a grouped reference using Template:Unbulleted list citebundle or similar template. The linked web interface on the BLI database is simple enough that I don't see any need for in-reference annotation of how to use it.
A reference could be selected from those cited at Gini coefficient to resolve WP:OR concerns about the relevance of the disparity between mean and median wealth.
Listing of categories, either in the See Also section or elsewhere in the article, as if they were bluelinks is unusual in my experience. I'm not sure if we have a manual style "rule" about that but it seems wrong to me. Just include them in the article categories, or create a similar list article and link that instead. VQuakr ( talk) 22:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.Until you demonstrate affirmative consensus to include the information, it does not stay in the article. If they don't know what the mean/median is, they can click the link. In the US, it is taught to sixth graders. In the UK, it is part of Key Stage 3. In Canada, it is taught in fourth grade. Do you have any examples of countries in which it is not taught to teenagers?My substantive reason for excluding it is information overload. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 19:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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The median and mean wealth per adult table lists New Zealand's population in 2023 as 3.68 million, where it was actually 5.2 million in 2023.
Source -
https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/population/
2404:440E:2725:8F00:ED16:5113:7784:73BC (
talk) 06:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
The Wealth estimates are not of same quality. It is best to mention how good the estimates are in the article itself. Ideally color code the Wealth estimates such that Data Quality above Poor is Green and Poor/Extremely Poor is Red.
The source "Global Wealth Databook 2023" mentions the quality of the estimates in Page 20.
Thanks. 45.251.35.190 ( talk) 14:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)