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Timeshifter
[1] and
Thegoodguy3221.
[2]
Why should they?
Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources. ( WP:NPOV)
— Guarapiranga ☎ 23:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
The article is called List of countries by incarceration rate.
The main table caption says that the source is World Prison Brief. So the limitation is in the focus of the table.
If you want to use other sources then I suggest starting another table.
But I will not be maintaining it.
If you start it, then you need to maintain it.
If that new table is not maintained, then I will ask the other editors to spin it off to another separate list article. It will soon be deleted at "Articles for Deletion" if it is not maintained.
Using a single source for each table is common in many articles for all the above reasons.
And about neutrality, I don't see any lack of neutrality on the part of World Prison Brief.
And using a single source that is vetting the data according to their own consistent rules is more reliable for comparison purposes.
That means we editors don't have to vet hundreds of sources for hundreds of countries.
People have tried concerning various country lists, and it can easily be a nightmare.
There is no reason that table needs to be in this article, and I oppose it.
Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources.
If you want to start another incarceration rate list page using multiple sources feel free to do so.
For more info see:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 18:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
I couldn’t find UK 169.255.184.162 ( talk) 07:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
All 226 I see in the list are countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.249.44.2 ( talk) 17:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
See diff. My full edit summary (some of it was cut off due to length):
This was when I did this search:
After changing the name back within minutes it shows up at the top of the search results, along with part of the table. That is a much better search result.
See also: WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE. Those are some of the reasons in the page move drop down list.
Please do not change the name back to a longer name without discussion. It is time-consuming to move this page due to having to separately change the archive names too. And the name in the bot wikitext on this talk page.
User PK2 made the change to the longer name around Nov 27, 2022, assuming it was around the same time as his talk page move to the longer name. See diff.
Looking at the page views timeline (see the top of this talk page) there was a drastic drop in page views after Nov 27, 2022. Probably because of the Google search problem mentioned previously. The page views are already back up after reverting to the short name. 2 times higher than during the slump. According to this thread: Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Google limits length of titles in search results. Big difference in page views. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 00:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't have the time or health to do it. And merging data columns can be tricky if there are different numbers of countries used for different column topics at the source:
Breaking up this wide table into a couple narrower tables would help. For much help see: Help:Table#Tables and the visual editor (VE). -- Timeshifter ( talk) 21:26, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
This is relatively easy to do because the 2 reference pages (one for rates, and one for counts) necessarily have the same number of locations. Counts are needed to calculate rates. So the columns can be pasted next to each other. See Help:Table.
That is not true for the other columns (see User:Timeshifter/Sandbox220). They have differing numbers of countries. This can make it a nightmare to combine them all into one table without many errors.
Please do not add more columns to the main table of rates and counts. That way it can be updated more often. And it makes for a narrower table that can be easily viewed in cell phones.
If someone wants some of the other columns please put them in a separate table in a separate section of the article. And please create the other tables from the latest data at World Prison Brief. The data at User:Timeshifter/Sandbox220 is way out of date. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 11:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I've edited to change the first line of the article to reflect what it is. It's a bold edit as per WP:BRD. This is not a list by incarceration rates but by alphabetical order, it seems to me. A list by incarceration would list each country according to the incarceration rate. I think that's right. If so, the title of the article should be changed too. Emmentalist ( talk) 15:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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... say
Timeshifter
[1] and
Thegoodguy3221.
[2]
Why should they?
Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources. ( WP:NPOV)
— Guarapiranga ☎ 23:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
The article is called List of countries by incarceration rate.
The main table caption says that the source is World Prison Brief. So the limitation is in the focus of the table.
If you want to use other sources then I suggest starting another table.
But I will not be maintaining it.
If you start it, then you need to maintain it.
If that new table is not maintained, then I will ask the other editors to spin it off to another separate list article. It will soon be deleted at "Articles for Deletion" if it is not maintained.
Using a single source for each table is common in many articles for all the above reasons.
And about neutrality, I don't see any lack of neutrality on the part of World Prison Brief.
And using a single source that is vetting the data according to their own consistent rules is more reliable for comparison purposes.
That means we editors don't have to vet hundreds of sources for hundreds of countries.
People have tried concerning various country lists, and it can easily be a nightmare.
There is no reason that table needs to be in this article, and I oppose it.
Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources.
If you want to start another incarceration rate list page using multiple sources feel free to do so.
For more info see:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 18:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
I couldn’t find UK 169.255.184.162 ( talk) 07:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
All 226 I see in the list are countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.249.44.2 ( talk) 17:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
See diff. My full edit summary (some of it was cut off due to length):
This was when I did this search:
After changing the name back within minutes it shows up at the top of the search results, along with part of the table. That is a much better search result.
See also: WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE. Those are some of the reasons in the page move drop down list.
Please do not change the name back to a longer name without discussion. It is time-consuming to move this page due to having to separately change the archive names too. And the name in the bot wikitext on this talk page.
User PK2 made the change to the longer name around Nov 27, 2022, assuming it was around the same time as his talk page move to the longer name. See diff.
Looking at the page views timeline (see the top of this talk page) there was a drastic drop in page views after Nov 27, 2022. Probably because of the Google search problem mentioned previously. The page views are already back up after reverting to the short name. 2 times higher than during the slump. According to this thread: Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Google limits length of titles in search results. Big difference in page views. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 00:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't have the time or health to do it. And merging data columns can be tricky if there are different numbers of countries used for different column topics at the source:
Breaking up this wide table into a couple narrower tables would help. For much help see: Help:Table#Tables and the visual editor (VE). -- Timeshifter ( talk) 21:26, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
This is relatively easy to do because the 2 reference pages (one for rates, and one for counts) necessarily have the same number of locations. Counts are needed to calculate rates. So the columns can be pasted next to each other. See Help:Table.
That is not true for the other columns (see User:Timeshifter/Sandbox220). They have differing numbers of countries. This can make it a nightmare to combine them all into one table without many errors.
Please do not add more columns to the main table of rates and counts. That way it can be updated more often. And it makes for a narrower table that can be easily viewed in cell phones.
If someone wants some of the other columns please put them in a separate table in a separate section of the article. And please create the other tables from the latest data at World Prison Brief. The data at User:Timeshifter/Sandbox220 is way out of date. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 11:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I've edited to change the first line of the article to reflect what it is. It's a bold edit as per WP:BRD. This is not a list by incarceration rates but by alphabetical order, it seems to me. A list by incarceration would list each country according to the incarceration rate. I think that's right. If so, the title of the article should be changed too. Emmentalist ( talk) 15:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)