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Additions to the list must already have a an article on Wikipedia and require an inline citation in this list to a reliable source which verifies that the singer's voice has been described as contralto. Any unreferenced additions contstitute original research and will be removed. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
The following need an inline citation to a reliable source which verifies the singer has a contralto voice. All additions which lack such a reference will be removed to this talk pager until such a reference is provided.
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 03:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 17:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC) [Last updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 17:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 12:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC) updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 11:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 07:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Updated Voceditenore ( talk) 05:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
– Voceditenore ( talk) 09:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)Updated Voceditenore ( talk) 12:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)(UTC)
– Voceditenore ( talk) 07:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 05:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
– Voceditenore ( talk) 06:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC) updated 05:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Yet more names removed from the list due to lack of citations. These names are exactly as; Tina Turner, Melanie Amaro, Brandy, Manu, Imogen Heap and Etta James. As these names are above this is clearly an ongoing issue! Please could I stress to anyone who wishes to add names to the list that gaining sources is vital to maintaining a reliable data bank. Please bear in mind that any names removed from the list above I shall try to get sources for and re-add but until that point please do not add names unless you have the ref's to back the data up. Many thanks!
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Namely Goodbye Horses from Silence Of The Lambs. That singing is so deep that I mistook "her" by a dude! -andy 217.50.55.74 ( talk) 13:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Is this enough "evidence"? Just the first few results from a quick google search...
http://www.swingmusic.net/Nina_Simone.html http://www.smokymountainnews.com/news/item/782-reading-nina-simone’s-tragic-life http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8441631 http://www.rhapsody.com/#/artist/nina-simone/album/after-hours/track/nobody http://books.google.com/books?id=oV4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=nina+simone+contralto&source=bl&ots=5EkZ8JxJES&sig=qjPNGMme1CvNW-QxDN_2RQkm2aM&hl=en&ei=ZZs8Tvj6K-TEsQKN1MDmDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CCUQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=nina%20simone%20contralto&f=false http://www.oldies.com/product-view/00362.html http://www.amazon.com/Four-Women-Simone-Philips-Recordings/dp/B00006ZU6B — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.61.38.195 ( talk) 02:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
The references on her page seem to say so... Her rendition of I Put a Spell on You ( [4]) is one of her trademarks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.189.245.231 ( talk) 07:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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I rearranged the photo layout. This should allow for a good mix of generations and musical styles while resolving some of the page-stretch issues.
Having said this, let's be judicious about who we include. We should be striving for a representative sampling of artists. This is not intended to be a photo gallery of everyone's favorite singer. LizFL ( talk) 01:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Is everything OK on your end? Can you see KT and Lisa? LizFL ( talk) 04:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I am for anything that will put an end to the squabbling over stretched pages.
The problem with the format with the table format that was in use before was that I -- and no doubt other people -- were having was that photos were going unnoticed (and unseen) because they stretched the page.
I've tried the gallery format. How does it look? I tried putting all six photos on one row, only to have KT Runstall get bumped down into a second row. The gallery can't handle more than five names on any one row. LizFL ( talk) 12:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I tried putting KT Tunstall on the left-hand side earlier. I was left with a big blank space just to her right and the columns pushed down below her. The page was truly unreadable. LizFL ( talk) 19:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey you guys
I guess this whole issue is really down to me so I can only apologise for the inconvenience it has caused everyone. Hopefully its something we can all come to a compromise on. The main reason I changed the whole layout of the pages was due to the excessive scrolling down to read names making it a tiring and monotonous, I hoped that with a few horizontal pics and the names in columns it would tidy the page and make it slightly more presentable. However its clear that many issues in regards to the number of images and which images are present have come up, due to the reasons Voceditenore listed above ie, longer loading times, monitor sizes ect. I hope that we can all come to an amicable settlement in regards to this issue. My main aim as I said was to tidy up the page and make it easier to navigate, having extra pics or whatever was just as an illustration to show the diverse range of artists within the page. If anyone would like to throw anymore ideas in so we can get a handle on things it would be awesome! Many thanks to all you guys for all your hard work on all the 'list' pages, I think we have done a marvelous job in not only expanding the pages but protecting them from vandals and misleading inputs! So we all deserve a good pat on the back :) BrotherDarksoul ( talk) 20:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Something has to be done here. There are now 11 of them, and chosen for no rhyme or reason. We now have not only drive-by unreferenced additions of names but also images. This page goes completely against Wikipedia's Image use policy. I'll quote two key points from it here:
In what way, do these images add anything to the reader's understanding of the subject? They are merely being used as decoration and are an open invitation for people to add every singer and every photograph they think "would look nice" and/or get incensed when their favourite singer has been "left out". If you want to give the reader an idea of the diverse range of contraltos in non-classical music, then expand the text in lede section to discuss this, referenced to high quality sources or alternatively have separate sections for jazz, rock, musical theatre, and country, each with its own introductory text, again referenced to high quality sources.
One or two images of high quality that add encyclopedic value by virtue of the contents of their captions can be OK. See for example this version. Going beyond that number you start getting into the situation of explaining why these particular 11 and not those 15 too. Using a gallery with no value-added content is an open invitation for this. Apart from being unencyclopedic, it makes the page even harder to maintain than it currently is.
As for arranging the names in multiple columns, they are actually more difficult and inefficient for the reader to scan. The eye has to shift back and forth from vertical to horizontal. It also makes it difficult to click back between the citation and the name it's referencing as the reader is presented with 4 rows of cited names. Plus, that kind of formatting requires changing every time a new name is added and unbalances the column lengths. I hope those of you who regularly maintain this page will give some serious thought to these suggestions. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Unreliable sources are Wikipedia, Wikipedia mirrors, blogs, self-published websites, YouTube, forums etc. WP:RELY explains what a reliable source is.
Let's put an end to the edit war over Lady Gaga ( WP:WAR). Let's talk about this.
Why are we removing Katy Perry?
The Patriot Ledger is a legit, reliable source. I don't understand. LizFL ( talk) 18:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Please note I have removed several names due to the sources given stating that said artists were "Alto's". Alto and contralto are not the same thing. Alto is a vocal line sang within that of a choir and is more closely related to the mezzo-soprano range than that of the contralto. Please when adding names to this list would you make sure that the source clearly states that the artist is a contralto only and not alto otherwise there could be false or misleading information on the page. Many thanks. BrotherDarksoul Blether 04:01, 03 July 2012 (UTC)
That's cute and everything but I have noticed how in English speaking countries people there make little to no difference between Altos and Contraltos. If you don't believe me, I dare you to find warm-ups for Contraltos on YouTube. They all are labeled for "Altos". Artists who are even Dramatic Contraltos, like Ivy Queen are labeled as "Alto" in English articles, but as an obvious "Contralto" in any other language. Same for Dido, Nancy Sinatra and so on. The word "Alto" is not used in any latin language to refer to a vocal range, and when they do (like French and Portuguese) they make it clear that they are the same as Contralto and that Contralto is actually preferred. What I suggest for singers who are labeled as "Alto" is to listen to their songs to know if they are in fact Contraltos. Kotoskopos ( talk) 17:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone think that the ref I used ages ago for that of Gabriella Cilmi could be used to confirm that Anastacia is a contralto too?? This is what the key data in the article says. 'Anastacia (to whom Cilmi bears astonishing similarities, most notably in her contralto voice and noisy growl)'. Let me know what you guys think in regards to that confirmation! Many thanks. BrotherDarksoul Blether 23:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
She's not a contralto. Her range is C3-B5 (approx) which is in the range of a Mezzo-Soprano not a Contralto. And she can go higher than that as well, but she lacks technique. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 06:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Almost anyone can get on there and write for them. I'm not sure how to handle them.
I would appreciate some guidance on the matter. LizFL ( talk) 19:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
90% of the listed people are not even Contraltos here. Contralto singers' main characteristic is a "androgynous" timbre. These singers are only listed here because all of them don't sing high, but people are forgetting that ranges aren't used to typing a voice outside of Classical music as these people are not as trained, so only color and weight are taken into account. Contralto singers are supposed to sound manly, with a heavy weight and a dark voice. So a tenor who doesn't sing high much is a Baritone? Or a Bass? Most of these people listed are all mezzos. Annie Lennox and Cher are undoubtedly Contraltos but others are not. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 05:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I clicked on the source for the Lorde entry. It looks like it's a high school newspaper blog of some sort.
What are we to do about this? Is this a reliable source?
These blatant misclassifications ought to be corrected. Sopranos such as Kelly Clarkson, Mariah Carey, Sheena Easton, Ann Wilson and Cyndi Lauper have good low notes, no issue for many world-class soprano singers that have wide ranges. -- 93.106.208.61 ( talk) 09:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
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A lot of these singers are incredibly, obviously not contraltos. Shakira a contralto? How do you figure? I would say less than half of the women listed here actually are contraltos (Cher, Nina Simone, Carly Simon for example). At a lot of the sources I checked, they don't even specifically say the word "contralto", they might just say "deep" or "husky", which can be attributed to a lot of things that do not have to do with vocal chords. I would suggest a sort of overhaul of this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.33.129 ( talk) 21:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I am the editor who originally formatted this list into a table format, and have noticed that over time, editors have excessively added references to various alleged birth years for individuals in the Lifespan column. The problem with this is that, not only does it crowd the column, which is a minor detail (the point of this list is to highlight the fact that they're contraltos), but a lot of these references do not explicitly state the birth year, instead describing the individual as "xx-year-old" at whatever time said article was published. Secondly, some of these sources do not qualify as Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I've stripped these down and am trying to prune out the excess and non-reliable sources here, but I figure I would post this concern on the Talk page as it seems to have run rampant in the last year or so of edits. We need to be careful about what we're using here for source materials. -- Drown Soda ( talk) 22:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
She doesn't have a page in Wikipedia in English, I guess because she did not succeed out of South America. But she was a legendary Colombian Dramatic Contralto and one of the sources was from the National Colombian Radio website. Why was she deleted? Because none of the sources were in English? Kotoskopos ( talk) 17:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Cleo Laine is a British jazz / pop singer, and definitely sings in a deep and husky way. Her Wikipedia page includes a reliable source that her natural range is contralto. Listen to her hit song You'll Answer to Me and you'll see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8309:2184:4900:7056:9E54:AF9A:A008 ( talk) 09:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
The article mentions that Katy Perry possesses a contralto vocal range, however, Katy Perry is actually a very Britney Spears like soprano who could qualify as a contralto. On tracks such as Teenage Dream and Roar Perry showcases her usage of the falsetto, which in some ways could be referred to as a light lyric soprano. But that might be just me.
So she should at least be removed from this article and instead included on list of sopranos in non-classical music.
Also, Lady Gaga is a low range mezzo soprano, but she can also do a convincing contralto voice. Lady Gaga has a very heavy voice tone and she is definitely a contralto, she is also a classically trained singer with a very low range that is not standard for a mezzo soprano. Also, A Million Reasons, Stupid Love, Rain On Me and You And I showcase Lady Gaga singing in an alto range instead of mezzo, or a mezzo-soprano singing in an alto range.
So perhaps the article should say that Katy Perry has also been referred to as a soprano. I get that the article already claims that Lady Gaga is referred to as both a mezzo-soprano and a contralto. Why don't you list Katy Perry as being both a soprano and an alto? 2601:C6:8480:1F10:BC49:9A8C:2128:ACD2 ( talk) 04:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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I noticed Anne Shelton is not on the list. Peter Dempsey (Naxos) says she is a contralto. The dictionary of national biography says she is an alto with wide range. The encyclopedia of popular music and other sources don’t say anything about her range. So I’m at an impasse. The dictionary of national biography would be the preferred source but we’re talking about popular music. I’ve always believed she was a contralto. Is Naxos a good enough source? https://naxosdirect.co.uk/items/shelton-anne-fools-rush-in-143824 Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 09:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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Additions to the list must already have a an article on Wikipedia and require an inline citation in this list to a reliable source which verifies that the singer's voice has been described as contralto. Any unreferenced additions contstitute original research and will be removed. Voceditenore ( talk) 11:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
The following need an inline citation to a reliable source which verifies the singer has a contralto voice. All additions which lack such a reference will be removed to this talk pager until such a reference is provided.
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 03:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 17:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC) [Last updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 17:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 12:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC) updated by Voceditenore ( talk) 11:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 07:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Updated Voceditenore ( talk) 05:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
– Voceditenore ( talk) 09:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)Updated Voceditenore ( talk) 12:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)(UTC)
– Voceditenore ( talk) 07:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Voceditenore ( talk) 05:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
– Voceditenore ( talk) 06:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC) updated 05:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Yet more names removed from the list due to lack of citations. These names are exactly as; Tina Turner, Melanie Amaro, Brandy, Manu, Imogen Heap and Etta James. As these names are above this is clearly an ongoing issue! Please could I stress to anyone who wishes to add names to the list that gaining sources is vital to maintaining a reliable data bank. Please bear in mind that any names removed from the list above I shall try to get sources for and re-add but until that point please do not add names unless you have the ref's to back the data up. Many thanks!
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23:02, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Namely Goodbye Horses from Silence Of The Lambs. That singing is so deep that I mistook "her" by a dude! -andy 217.50.55.74 ( talk) 13:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Is this enough "evidence"? Just the first few results from a quick google search...
http://www.swingmusic.net/Nina_Simone.html http://www.smokymountainnews.com/news/item/782-reading-nina-simone’s-tragic-life http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8441631 http://www.rhapsody.com/#/artist/nina-simone/album/after-hours/track/nobody http://books.google.com/books?id=oV4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=nina+simone+contralto&source=bl&ots=5EkZ8JxJES&sig=qjPNGMme1CvNW-QxDN_2RQkm2aM&hl=en&ei=ZZs8Tvj6K-TEsQKN1MDmDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CCUQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=nina%20simone%20contralto&f=false http://www.oldies.com/product-view/00362.html http://www.amazon.com/Four-Women-Simone-Philips-Recordings/dp/B00006ZU6B — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.61.38.195 ( talk) 02:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
The references on her page seem to say so... Her rendition of I Put a Spell on You ( [4]) is one of her trademarks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.189.245.231 ( talk) 07:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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I rearranged the photo layout. This should allow for a good mix of generations and musical styles while resolving some of the page-stretch issues.
Having said this, let's be judicious about who we include. We should be striving for a representative sampling of artists. This is not intended to be a photo gallery of everyone's favorite singer. LizFL ( talk) 01:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Is everything OK on your end? Can you see KT and Lisa? LizFL ( talk) 04:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I am for anything that will put an end to the squabbling over stretched pages.
The problem with the format with the table format that was in use before was that I -- and no doubt other people -- were having was that photos were going unnoticed (and unseen) because they stretched the page.
I've tried the gallery format. How does it look? I tried putting all six photos on one row, only to have KT Runstall get bumped down into a second row. The gallery can't handle more than five names on any one row. LizFL ( talk) 12:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I tried putting KT Tunstall on the left-hand side earlier. I was left with a big blank space just to her right and the columns pushed down below her. The page was truly unreadable. LizFL ( talk) 19:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey you guys
I guess this whole issue is really down to me so I can only apologise for the inconvenience it has caused everyone. Hopefully its something we can all come to a compromise on. The main reason I changed the whole layout of the pages was due to the excessive scrolling down to read names making it a tiring and monotonous, I hoped that with a few horizontal pics and the names in columns it would tidy the page and make it slightly more presentable. However its clear that many issues in regards to the number of images and which images are present have come up, due to the reasons Voceditenore listed above ie, longer loading times, monitor sizes ect. I hope that we can all come to an amicable settlement in regards to this issue. My main aim as I said was to tidy up the page and make it easier to navigate, having extra pics or whatever was just as an illustration to show the diverse range of artists within the page. If anyone would like to throw anymore ideas in so we can get a handle on things it would be awesome! Many thanks to all you guys for all your hard work on all the 'list' pages, I think we have done a marvelous job in not only expanding the pages but protecting them from vandals and misleading inputs! So we all deserve a good pat on the back :) BrotherDarksoul ( talk) 20:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Something has to be done here. There are now 11 of them, and chosen for no rhyme or reason. We now have not only drive-by unreferenced additions of names but also images. This page goes completely against Wikipedia's Image use policy. I'll quote two key points from it here:
In what way, do these images add anything to the reader's understanding of the subject? They are merely being used as decoration and are an open invitation for people to add every singer and every photograph they think "would look nice" and/or get incensed when their favourite singer has been "left out". If you want to give the reader an idea of the diverse range of contraltos in non-classical music, then expand the text in lede section to discuss this, referenced to high quality sources or alternatively have separate sections for jazz, rock, musical theatre, and country, each with its own introductory text, again referenced to high quality sources.
One or two images of high quality that add encyclopedic value by virtue of the contents of their captions can be OK. See for example this version. Going beyond that number you start getting into the situation of explaining why these particular 11 and not those 15 too. Using a gallery with no value-added content is an open invitation for this. Apart from being unencyclopedic, it makes the page even harder to maintain than it currently is.
As for arranging the names in multiple columns, they are actually more difficult and inefficient for the reader to scan. The eye has to shift back and forth from vertical to horizontal. It also makes it difficult to click back between the citation and the name it's referencing as the reader is presented with 4 rows of cited names. Plus, that kind of formatting requires changing every time a new name is added and unbalances the column lengths. I hope those of you who regularly maintain this page will give some serious thought to these suggestions. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Unreliable sources are Wikipedia, Wikipedia mirrors, blogs, self-published websites, YouTube, forums etc. WP:RELY explains what a reliable source is.
Let's put an end to the edit war over Lady Gaga ( WP:WAR). Let's talk about this.
Why are we removing Katy Perry?
The Patriot Ledger is a legit, reliable source. I don't understand. LizFL ( talk) 18:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Please note I have removed several names due to the sources given stating that said artists were "Alto's". Alto and contralto are not the same thing. Alto is a vocal line sang within that of a choir and is more closely related to the mezzo-soprano range than that of the contralto. Please when adding names to this list would you make sure that the source clearly states that the artist is a contralto only and not alto otherwise there could be false or misleading information on the page. Many thanks. BrotherDarksoul Blether 04:01, 03 July 2012 (UTC)
That's cute and everything but I have noticed how in English speaking countries people there make little to no difference between Altos and Contraltos. If you don't believe me, I dare you to find warm-ups for Contraltos on YouTube. They all are labeled for "Altos". Artists who are even Dramatic Contraltos, like Ivy Queen are labeled as "Alto" in English articles, but as an obvious "Contralto" in any other language. Same for Dido, Nancy Sinatra and so on. The word "Alto" is not used in any latin language to refer to a vocal range, and when they do (like French and Portuguese) they make it clear that they are the same as Contralto and that Contralto is actually preferred. What I suggest for singers who are labeled as "Alto" is to listen to their songs to know if they are in fact Contraltos. Kotoskopos ( talk) 17:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone think that the ref I used ages ago for that of Gabriella Cilmi could be used to confirm that Anastacia is a contralto too?? This is what the key data in the article says. 'Anastacia (to whom Cilmi bears astonishing similarities, most notably in her contralto voice and noisy growl)'. Let me know what you guys think in regards to that confirmation! Many thanks. BrotherDarksoul Blether 23:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
She's not a contralto. Her range is C3-B5 (approx) which is in the range of a Mezzo-Soprano not a Contralto. And she can go higher than that as well, but she lacks technique. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 06:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Almost anyone can get on there and write for them. I'm not sure how to handle them.
I would appreciate some guidance on the matter. LizFL ( talk) 19:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
90% of the listed people are not even Contraltos here. Contralto singers' main characteristic is a "androgynous" timbre. These singers are only listed here because all of them don't sing high, but people are forgetting that ranges aren't used to typing a voice outside of Classical music as these people are not as trained, so only color and weight are taken into account. Contralto singers are supposed to sound manly, with a heavy weight and a dark voice. So a tenor who doesn't sing high much is a Baritone? Or a Bass? Most of these people listed are all mezzos. Annie Lennox and Cher are undoubtedly Contraltos but others are not. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 05:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I clicked on the source for the Lorde entry. It looks like it's a high school newspaper blog of some sort.
What are we to do about this? Is this a reliable source?
These blatant misclassifications ought to be corrected. Sopranos such as Kelly Clarkson, Mariah Carey, Sheena Easton, Ann Wilson and Cyndi Lauper have good low notes, no issue for many world-class soprano singers that have wide ranges. -- 93.106.208.61 ( talk) 09:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
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A lot of these singers are incredibly, obviously not contraltos. Shakira a contralto? How do you figure? I would say less than half of the women listed here actually are contraltos (Cher, Nina Simone, Carly Simon for example). At a lot of the sources I checked, they don't even specifically say the word "contralto", they might just say "deep" or "husky", which can be attributed to a lot of things that do not have to do with vocal chords. I would suggest a sort of overhaul of this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.33.129 ( talk) 21:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I am the editor who originally formatted this list into a table format, and have noticed that over time, editors have excessively added references to various alleged birth years for individuals in the Lifespan column. The problem with this is that, not only does it crowd the column, which is a minor detail (the point of this list is to highlight the fact that they're contraltos), but a lot of these references do not explicitly state the birth year, instead describing the individual as "xx-year-old" at whatever time said article was published. Secondly, some of these sources do not qualify as Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I've stripped these down and am trying to prune out the excess and non-reliable sources here, but I figure I would post this concern on the Talk page as it seems to have run rampant in the last year or so of edits. We need to be careful about what we're using here for source materials. -- Drown Soda ( talk) 22:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
She doesn't have a page in Wikipedia in English, I guess because she did not succeed out of South America. But she was a legendary Colombian Dramatic Contralto and one of the sources was from the National Colombian Radio website. Why was she deleted? Because none of the sources were in English? Kotoskopos ( talk) 17:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Cleo Laine is a British jazz / pop singer, and definitely sings in a deep and husky way. Her Wikipedia page includes a reliable source that her natural range is contralto. Listen to her hit song You'll Answer to Me and you'll see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8309:2184:4900:7056:9E54:AF9A:A008 ( talk) 09:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
The article mentions that Katy Perry possesses a contralto vocal range, however, Katy Perry is actually a very Britney Spears like soprano who could qualify as a contralto. On tracks such as Teenage Dream and Roar Perry showcases her usage of the falsetto, which in some ways could be referred to as a light lyric soprano. But that might be just me.
So she should at least be removed from this article and instead included on list of sopranos in non-classical music.
Also, Lady Gaga is a low range mezzo soprano, but she can also do a convincing contralto voice. Lady Gaga has a very heavy voice tone and she is definitely a contralto, she is also a classically trained singer with a very low range that is not standard for a mezzo soprano. Also, A Million Reasons, Stupid Love, Rain On Me and You And I showcase Lady Gaga singing in an alto range instead of mezzo, or a mezzo-soprano singing in an alto range.
So perhaps the article should say that Katy Perry has also been referred to as a soprano. I get that the article already claims that Lady Gaga is referred to as both a mezzo-soprano and a contralto. Why don't you list Katy Perry as being both a soprano and an alto? 2601:C6:8480:1F10:BC49:9A8C:2128:ACD2 ( talk) 04:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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I noticed Anne Shelton is not on the list. Peter Dempsey (Naxos) says she is a contralto. The dictionary of national biography says she is an alto with wide range. The encyclopedia of popular music and other sources don’t say anything about her range. So I’m at an impasse. The dictionary of national biography would be the preferred source but we’re talking about popular music. I’ve always believed she was a contralto. Is Naxos a good enough source? https://naxosdirect.co.uk/items/shelton-anne-fools-rush-in-143824 Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 09:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)