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We need a good summary comparison of the DIY programmable microcontrollers -- the ones such as BASIC Stamp, PICAXE, and Arduino that can be developed for no more than about $100 (if you already have a general-purpose computer to host the development). It should list the power supply voltage range, the minimum power consumption, the max clock speed, the min cost for a development system (quan. one), the min cost for a target system (quan. one), the programming languages, and whether a complete open-source development set is available (no proprietary assembler-compilers etc). And the range of RAM and EEPROM available. (See also [1] and [2]) - 69.87.200.77 19:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.80.95.243 ( talk) 14:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Should the SigmaTel (now Freescale) SOC's be covered here? STMP35xx, STMP36xx, etc. [3] I couldn't seem to find them in the list, but I might have missed them. Zodon ( talk) 09:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My background is 1.) I like to tear apart embedded stuff from DOCSYS modems to Linksys WRT54 to phones to Car Computers (yes they can be reprogrammed for better performance via JTAG or serial port for older ones, against the Law per EPA), DVD players and Set top boxes and Printer, et al. and 2.) I worked at Phillips and John Fluke Manufacturing which made test interfaces: in-circuit emulators (ICE), Meters, Oscilloscopes, etc.).
This section should be for embedded microcontrollers found when you take apart a DVD player or Refrigerator logic board, for example. Classic definition is CPU, RAM, ROM/PROM (that is NOT "user" programmable), RAM, Clock?, self-contained I/O to control surroundings.
Chips NOT enumerated here but have been extensively used as microcontrollers are:
Less used but still were prevalent in some sectors:
Re: microcontroller definition as self contained embedded system. The original IBM Super VGA was an add on "8514A" card containing TMS32020 DSP(controller)(had "host interface". IBM 8514 video accellerator commands sent to the card were adopted as VESA command set, and these Video Controllers diverged to TIGA(TMS32040 to TMS32096) and S3 types. I have one system with Chip and Technologies CT69030 with internal ROM and 2 MB RAM on chip, basically a dedicated microcontroller with a host interface. ATI Mobility is similar. Newer video products allow user retasking e.g. dedicating video stream processors to join a Linux cluster.
References (other than wikipedia)
http://www.datasheets.org.uk/ search tms9940 etc.
Adam Osborne, "An Introduction to Microprocessors"
http://www.cpu-museum.com/
Microcontroller programming: the microchip PIC By Julio Sanchez, Maria P. Canton in Google Books pg 130
http://www.microcomputerhistory.com/f14patterson.htm/ "a 1970 microcontroller"
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/
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Sorry for asking here (but maybe it would be useful information in this article). I have a feeling that the ARM architecture would be about the most popular architecture by now, except some 8-bit candidates. Who could they be? I expect people to decide based on cost, performance and in some cases what you know. How many here are just a historical curiosity that noone uses anymore or at least can be excluded? Or other way around who could be more popular? comp.arch ( talk) 11:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone have any sources on how many 4-bit CPUs are sold, and any sources on how many 32-bit CPUs are sold? Please, comp.arch and other readers, if you have such sources, please add them to this article as references. My source tells me that, out of all CPUs sold, about 55% are 8-bit, about 15% are 4-bit, and about 8% are 32-bit -- i.e., 4-bit CPUs outsell 32-bit CPUs roughly two to one. Turley, Jim (18 December 2002). "The Two Percent Solution". Embedded Systems Design. TechInsights (United Business Media).
Most of the people I mention this to [6] can't believe that anyone still makes 4-bit CPUs, much less that they outsell 32-bit CPUs, and insist that I must be wrong or at least out of date, but so far no one has actually supplied a reliable source to back up their assertions. I suspect there is a large unwritten history of 4-bit CPUs, some of which would be encyclopedic enough to go into 4-bit and other Wikipedia articles. I hope Guy Macon and others will tell their piece of the story before it is forgotten. -- DavidCary ( talk) 20:17, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Now in the section above Guy Macon mentioned 5 cent 4-bits. 4-bits at any price are just very hard to find (in the USA, and those are more expensive than the 8 or 32 bit I found). I went looking and found some interesting stuff: "A prototype design of the Microdot 4-bit microcontroller for space applications is presented [..] A brief history of 4-bit microcontrollers" [17] and Alibaba 4-bit search.. that gave 8-bit results mostly, and no 4-bits with prices (on the first page) except higher than the 8-bit with "Tags: 4 Bit Microcontroller | 1 Square Bit | 1 Diamond Bit" and:
New Original IC ATMEGA16-10AU -bit Microcontroller with 128K Bytes In-System Programmable Flash
FOB Price: US $0.1 - 100 / Unit Get Latest Price
Min.Order Quantity: 1 Unit/Units
Supply Ability: 10000000 Unit/Units per Day
[18]
Microchip ICs EPROM-Based 8-Bit CMOS Microcontrollers MCP6L04T-E/SL
FOB Price: US $0.01 - 1,000 / Piece Get Latest Price
Min.Order Quantity: 10 Piece/Pieces
1.MCP6L04T-E/SL 12+
2.Brand: Microchip
3.D/C:2012+
4.Descreption:IC MCU 8BIT 3.5KB EPROM 18CDIP
[19]
If you want to go this route there is no reason to limit yourself to 8-bit (or 4-bit) when 32-bit is same price..:
IC CHINA components parts ic parts STM32F103RET6 STM 12+ LQFP64 ARM Microcontrollers - MCU 32BIT
US $0.01-100 / Piece ( FOB Price)
1 Piece (Min. Order)
[20]
Unless this one finally is the genuine article:
Smart Bes High Quality!! AT89S52-24PU AT89S52 DIP-40 89S52 8-bit Microcontroller with 8K Bytes In-System Programmable ic Chip
FOB Price: US $0.001 - 10 / Piece Get Latest Price
Min.Order Quantity: 1 Piece/Pieces
Supply Ability: 30000 Meter/Meters per Month[sic]
Packaging Detail: vacuum package
Delivery Detail: 7days
[21]..
or the US$ 0 I found.. comp.arch ( talk) 17:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
The IXYS Corporation article has some references that mention "significant sales" of 4-bit microcontrollers and implies that all Samsung 8-bit and 4-bit processors will be available from Zilog. -- DavidCary ( talk) 18:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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We need a good summary comparison of the DIY programmable microcontrollers -- the ones such as BASIC Stamp, PICAXE, and Arduino that can be developed for no more than about $100 (if you already have a general-purpose computer to host the development). It should list the power supply voltage range, the minimum power consumption, the max clock speed, the min cost for a development system (quan. one), the min cost for a target system (quan. one), the programming languages, and whether a complete open-source development set is available (no proprietary assembler-compilers etc). And the range of RAM and EEPROM available. (See also [1] and [2]) - 69.87.200.77 19:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.80.95.243 ( talk) 14:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Should the SigmaTel (now Freescale) SOC's be covered here? STMP35xx, STMP36xx, etc. [3] I couldn't seem to find them in the list, but I might have missed them. Zodon ( talk) 09:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My background is 1.) I like to tear apart embedded stuff from DOCSYS modems to Linksys WRT54 to phones to Car Computers (yes they can be reprogrammed for better performance via JTAG or serial port for older ones, against the Law per EPA), DVD players and Set top boxes and Printer, et al. and 2.) I worked at Phillips and John Fluke Manufacturing which made test interfaces: in-circuit emulators (ICE), Meters, Oscilloscopes, etc.).
This section should be for embedded microcontrollers found when you take apart a DVD player or Refrigerator logic board, for example. Classic definition is CPU, RAM, ROM/PROM (that is NOT "user" programmable), RAM, Clock?, self-contained I/O to control surroundings.
Chips NOT enumerated here but have been extensively used as microcontrollers are:
Less used but still were prevalent in some sectors:
Re: microcontroller definition as self contained embedded system. The original IBM Super VGA was an add on "8514A" card containing TMS32020 DSP(controller)(had "host interface". IBM 8514 video accellerator commands sent to the card were adopted as VESA command set, and these Video Controllers diverged to TIGA(TMS32040 to TMS32096) and S3 types. I have one system with Chip and Technologies CT69030 with internal ROM and 2 MB RAM on chip, basically a dedicated microcontroller with a host interface. ATI Mobility is similar. Newer video products allow user retasking e.g. dedicating video stream processors to join a Linux cluster.
References (other than wikipedia)
http://www.datasheets.org.uk/ search tms9940 etc.
Adam Osborne, "An Introduction to Microprocessors"
http://www.cpu-museum.com/
Microcontroller programming: the microchip PIC By Julio Sanchez, Maria P. Canton in Google Books pg 130
http://www.microcomputerhistory.com/f14patterson.htm/ "a 1970 microcontroller"
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/
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Sorry for asking here (but maybe it would be useful information in this article). I have a feeling that the ARM architecture would be about the most popular architecture by now, except some 8-bit candidates. Who could they be? I expect people to decide based on cost, performance and in some cases what you know. How many here are just a historical curiosity that noone uses anymore or at least can be excluded? Or other way around who could be more popular? comp.arch ( talk) 11:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone have any sources on how many 4-bit CPUs are sold, and any sources on how many 32-bit CPUs are sold? Please, comp.arch and other readers, if you have such sources, please add them to this article as references. My source tells me that, out of all CPUs sold, about 55% are 8-bit, about 15% are 4-bit, and about 8% are 32-bit -- i.e., 4-bit CPUs outsell 32-bit CPUs roughly two to one. Turley, Jim (18 December 2002). "The Two Percent Solution". Embedded Systems Design. TechInsights (United Business Media).
Most of the people I mention this to [6] can't believe that anyone still makes 4-bit CPUs, much less that they outsell 32-bit CPUs, and insist that I must be wrong or at least out of date, but so far no one has actually supplied a reliable source to back up their assertions. I suspect there is a large unwritten history of 4-bit CPUs, some of which would be encyclopedic enough to go into 4-bit and other Wikipedia articles. I hope Guy Macon and others will tell their piece of the story before it is forgotten. -- DavidCary ( talk) 20:17, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Now in the section above Guy Macon mentioned 5 cent 4-bits. 4-bits at any price are just very hard to find (in the USA, and those are more expensive than the 8 or 32 bit I found). I went looking and found some interesting stuff: "A prototype design of the Microdot 4-bit microcontroller for space applications is presented [..] A brief history of 4-bit microcontrollers" [17] and Alibaba 4-bit search.. that gave 8-bit results mostly, and no 4-bits with prices (on the first page) except higher than the 8-bit with "Tags: 4 Bit Microcontroller | 1 Square Bit | 1 Diamond Bit" and:
New Original IC ATMEGA16-10AU -bit Microcontroller with 128K Bytes In-System Programmable Flash
FOB Price: US $0.1 - 100 / Unit Get Latest Price
Min.Order Quantity: 1 Unit/Units
Supply Ability: 10000000 Unit/Units per Day
[18]
Microchip ICs EPROM-Based 8-Bit CMOS Microcontrollers MCP6L04T-E/SL
FOB Price: US $0.01 - 1,000 / Piece Get Latest Price
Min.Order Quantity: 10 Piece/Pieces
1.MCP6L04T-E/SL 12+
2.Brand: Microchip
3.D/C:2012+
4.Descreption:IC MCU 8BIT 3.5KB EPROM 18CDIP
[19]
If you want to go this route there is no reason to limit yourself to 8-bit (or 4-bit) when 32-bit is same price..:
IC CHINA components parts ic parts STM32F103RET6 STM 12+ LQFP64 ARM Microcontrollers - MCU 32BIT
US $0.01-100 / Piece ( FOB Price)
1 Piece (Min. Order)
[20]
Unless this one finally is the genuine article:
Smart Bes High Quality!! AT89S52-24PU AT89S52 DIP-40 89S52 8-bit Microcontroller with 8K Bytes In-System Programmable ic Chip
FOB Price: US $0.001 - 10 / Piece Get Latest Price
Min.Order Quantity: 1 Piece/Pieces
Supply Ability: 30000 Meter/Meters per Month[sic]
Packaging Detail: vacuum package
Delivery Detail: 7days
[21]..
or the US$ 0 I found.. comp.arch ( talk) 17:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
The IXYS Corporation article has some references that mention "significant sales" of 4-bit microcontrollers and implies that all Samsung 8-bit and 4-bit processors will be available from Zilog. -- DavidCary ( talk) 18:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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The current information is not exact:
The real model name to architecture correspondence is more complicated:
There may be “LF” instead of “F” in most of the type names for the corresponding low-voltage version; few models have “HV” abbreviation instead of “F” for a high-voltage version, and the old EPROM devices have “C” instead of “F”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnashe ( talk • contribs) 13:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)