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Is Australian indigenous music an art or classical tradition? -- Klein zach 02:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't think griots are normally considered "classical" in this context. Wikipedia's own article on griots mentions them as being part of an oral tradition, which rather strongly implies folk rather than classical. There is court music from West African that could probably be considered classical, griots may be involved in that in some ways, but the griot tradition is not a formally taught school in which performers seek to emulate past masters.
Also it's ridiculous that Wikipedia doesn't have an article on "classical music" in the general musicological sense. What's up with that? I'm sure there was at one point. I remember working on it. Apparently it has been redirected to this inaccurate, incomplete and unsourced list that contains virtually no info on anything. Way to go... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.195.84.65 ( talk) 13:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
It is very interresting idea. Problem is, that in the western country, classical music is understood mainly, as a Western classical music. But, I disagree with those classifications. I think, that term Art music is good for every point of It. Cassa342 ( talk) 22:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC) Hello again. Now I maybe understand, why Griot was removed. Althought Griots are of high class in Mandinka society, It is still traditional music (or Folk music). I know, that players of drums (for example Djembe) are part of lower class, than Griots. Maybe due to this was this genre added and also removed. I don't know, if It is true. Please, explain It to Me. Thank You again. Cassa342 ( talk) 10:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
How about adding Arabic classical music? Or any objections, if I go ahead to add it? Munfarid1 ( talk) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Your idea is good, but It isn't andalusian classical music? What You have thought by term Arabic classical music? Because I know only about Andalusian classical music, althought I am not sure, if Iraqi Maqam can be also classified in this category too. Cassa342 ( talk) 22:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I have a question. Why You have removed Chinese traditional music from this article? Isn't It art music tradition? I just asked It, because I want to be sure. Thank You. Cassa342 ( talk) 22:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
@ YellowJelly, I have seen the edits that you have made, and while I'm not sure I agree with all of them, I think they are acceptable. The real problem, however, rests in a point of classification. What is 'art music' and since lists on Wikipedia are not exhaustive, what should we include?
My idea was that the inclusion criteria should be: That the tradition should be consistently called art music both in the article and in sources, and that the articles concerning the music traditions should be well developed enough.
Here, for me at least, Mugham and Griot fail Criteria 1, and Phiphat/Piphat fail Criteria 2. If you have another criteria that you think would serve the reader experience better, I am open to ideas. Uness232 ( talk) 19:01, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Is Australian indigenous music an art or classical tradition? -- Klein zach 02:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't think griots are normally considered "classical" in this context. Wikipedia's own article on griots mentions them as being part of an oral tradition, which rather strongly implies folk rather than classical. There is court music from West African that could probably be considered classical, griots may be involved in that in some ways, but the griot tradition is not a formally taught school in which performers seek to emulate past masters.
Also it's ridiculous that Wikipedia doesn't have an article on "classical music" in the general musicological sense. What's up with that? I'm sure there was at one point. I remember working on it. Apparently it has been redirected to this inaccurate, incomplete and unsourced list that contains virtually no info on anything. Way to go... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.195.84.65 ( talk) 13:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
It is very interresting idea. Problem is, that in the western country, classical music is understood mainly, as a Western classical music. But, I disagree with those classifications. I think, that term Art music is good for every point of It. Cassa342 ( talk) 22:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC) Hello again. Now I maybe understand, why Griot was removed. Althought Griots are of high class in Mandinka society, It is still traditional music (or Folk music). I know, that players of drums (for example Djembe) are part of lower class, than Griots. Maybe due to this was this genre added and also removed. I don't know, if It is true. Please, explain It to Me. Thank You again. Cassa342 ( talk) 10:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
How about adding Arabic classical music? Or any objections, if I go ahead to add it? Munfarid1 ( talk) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Your idea is good, but It isn't andalusian classical music? What You have thought by term Arabic classical music? Because I know only about Andalusian classical music, althought I am not sure, if Iraqi Maqam can be also classified in this category too. Cassa342 ( talk) 22:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I have a question. Why You have removed Chinese traditional music from this article? Isn't It art music tradition? I just asked It, because I want to be sure. Thank You. Cassa342 ( talk) 22:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
@ YellowJelly, I have seen the edits that you have made, and while I'm not sure I agree with all of them, I think they are acceptable. The real problem, however, rests in a point of classification. What is 'art music' and since lists on Wikipedia are not exhaustive, what should we include?
My idea was that the inclusion criteria should be: That the tradition should be consistently called art music both in the article and in sources, and that the articles concerning the music traditions should be well developed enough.
Here, for me at least, Mugham and Griot fail Criteria 1, and Phiphat/Piphat fail Criteria 2. If you have another criteria that you think would serve the reader experience better, I am open to ideas. Uness232 ( talk) 19:01, 18 January 2022 (UTC)