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I've actually been wondering about the accuracy of the definition of the city of Saint Petersburg. Does it include the entire federal subject of Saint Petersburg Federal City, or is Saint Petersburg merely a part of the federal subject? I am specifically speaking of such "cities" as Kolpino, Krasnoye Selo, Kronshtadt, Zelenogorsk, Sestroretsk, Lomonosov, Pavlovsk, Petergof, and Pushkin, which are all part of the Federal City of Saint Petersburg. If they are all separate "cities", would the area/population of the City of Saint Petersburg be reduced by the numbers of these cities? I've been looking at a spreadsheet of the 2002 Russian census results from www.perepis.ru/ (in Russian) and cannot tell what the official definition of the city is. Backspace 18:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
The English Wiktionary's list of Russian cities is rather small and needs expansion. Only the largest cities are represented.
You can join and help to enhance the list of entries. Start with your favourite city if they don't exist yet (a regional centre or a famous city). Here are 2 examples of an entry in English and Russian (both in the English Wiktionary):
Ideally, the English entry should have at least the Russian translation and the Russian entry should link to the English one. -- Anatoli ( talk) 03:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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I'd like to see a number of changes made to this list:
Any thoughts on this? Eldumpo ( talk) 09:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I raised a thread at WP:RSN, and whilst only one person has responded, the post and my subsequent findings would not seem to suggest that the citypopulation source is not reliable. Notwithstanding that, can the second citation be made direct as it seems to go to a page where there are further word/excel page options.
We may not agree on the length of the list, so as a compromise why not use a 100k cut-off (which tallies with Citypopulation). Also, you said earlier the list includes 'all' cities, in which case the page name should then change to List of most populous cities in Russia.
What about agreeing that the 2002 census column remains so people can see the actual population figures, but the 2002 rank and change columns get deleted? Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 09:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
A number of the 2002-related columns have now been deleted. After I started the process, a helpful IP finished the changes. Also, can the 2nd citation at the article point to a particular page. At present, it appears to point to an 'index' page. Eldumpo ( talk) 17:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Why are there ranking numbers missing from the end? They are alright until #322, then they go like this: 326, 327, 328, 329, 334, 342, 344, 346, 349, 351, 355, 357. There are only 335 cities on the list, of which the last one is not a city anymore. So is there a reason for the gaps on the list? 85.217.42.90 ( talk) 23:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello all. I'm working on tweaking the table for this list. I recently have done several tweaks to the tables for the US's largest cities and Brazil's largest cities lists, and this one is next on my radar. I have all of the population figures for cities with 50,000+ with the 2010 official counts and the estimates as of 1/1/2017 (per citypopulation.de/Russia.html). I'd like to talk about a few suggestions or ideas that I have and then have a conversation as to whether or not these would be good ideas:
I'm kind of throwing things together on a table on my laptop so that I'm not updating things incrementally on here. But what are your thoughts? Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 05:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
What if in the federal subjects column I shade the cells a certain color corresponding to which federal district that subject is in like on the Federal districts of Russia page? Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 17:22, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I updated the table and color-coded the federal subjects column to pertain to their federal districts. I eliminated the federal district column so that none of the lines in the table would wrap onto another line. I used the colors for the federal districts based on the colors for the federal districts page, but if there is anyone who wants to go through and maybe make the colors more diluted or transparent, that'd be appreciated. Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 04:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the critiques. I will reinstate the federal district column when I get the time! Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 00:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Ezhiki: Where did you get the above rar file. Is it available on-line? I couldn’t open it but was only trying on iPad. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 07:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
To me, none of them makes sense.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 16:17, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello,
Considering the beginning of the article states that Ukrainian cities such as Sevastopol are not included in the list, can this issue be resolved?
Either, the recent edit from August to include Ukrainian cities is undone, and they are excluded as is stated in the opening blurb, or the cities are kept in the list but a more thorough section of the opening blurb (or perhaps a new heading) is written up to give the perspective that the Ukrainian cities are only recognised as being parts of Russia by a handful of nations?
FormalRS ( talk) 19:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
As you had recommended, I believed that such an edit to the page would require discussion on the talk page. However I see this is not the case for yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FormalRS ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
The population density map is excellent but there's nothing to show what units of land area it uses. Would someone clarify that? Poihths ( talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Info There are new datas about population - results of the 2021 census are published:
https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/tab-5_VPN-2020.xlsx . The
Russian article is renewed yet. --
VAP+VYK (
talk)
06:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
No countries in the world are currently recognizing Ukrainian cities as Russian cities. They shouldn't be added to this list. 188.25.61.227 ( talk) 08:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
"Cities in grey are in areas annexed by Russia that the international community considers illegally occupied by Russia. Only a few nations recognize Crimea as part of Russia."
The inclusion of cities in Ukraine on a list of cities of Russia is WP:SYNTH, and not supported by WP:RS. There is no RS consensus that cities in Ukraine belong to the set of “cities in Russia.” There is no RS consensus to treat the set of “cities in Russia” as including those in Russia and in Crimea, Ukraine, while omitting those in Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts of Ukraine. At best there is some coverage of Russian internal administrative functions that are dated because their data was gathered between 2014 and 2022, which is not the same as labelling these “cities in Russia.”
The content guideline WP:LISTCRITERIA says:
Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources. Avoid original or arbitrary criteria that would synthesize a list that is not plainly verifiable in reliable sources. In cases where the membership criteria are subjective or likely to be disputed, it is especially important that inclusion be based on reliable sources given with inline citations for each item.
What makes sense is to have a separate top-level heading for a standalone table “Russian-occupied cities and towns in Ukraine.” Its inclusion criteria should be clearly defined. All of the same background information would then be applied to a list that follows sources, rather than this imaginary table that says “Ukraine is Russia.”— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzajac ( talk • contribs)
The redirect
List of Russian administrative centers(*) and cities over 50,000 population at 2002 census has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15 § List of Russian administrative centers(*) and cities over 50,000 population at 2002 census until a consensus is reached.
Steel1943 (
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22:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
The names for columns seem to be placed incorrectly - they should be swapped, because the names don't match the numbers in the columns.
Russian version of this table has similar structure, and columns are named correctly there. AntonKravtsov ( talk) 14:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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I've actually been wondering about the accuracy of the definition of the city of Saint Petersburg. Does it include the entire federal subject of Saint Petersburg Federal City, or is Saint Petersburg merely a part of the federal subject? I am specifically speaking of such "cities" as Kolpino, Krasnoye Selo, Kronshtadt, Zelenogorsk, Sestroretsk, Lomonosov, Pavlovsk, Petergof, and Pushkin, which are all part of the Federal City of Saint Petersburg. If they are all separate "cities", would the area/population of the City of Saint Petersburg be reduced by the numbers of these cities? I've been looking at a spreadsheet of the 2002 Russian census results from www.perepis.ru/ (in Russian) and cannot tell what the official definition of the city is. Backspace 18:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
The English Wiktionary's list of Russian cities is rather small and needs expansion. Only the largest cities are represented.
You can join and help to enhance the list of entries. Start with your favourite city if they don't exist yet (a regional centre or a famous city). Here are 2 examples of an entry in English and Russian (both in the English Wiktionary):
Ideally, the English entry should have at least the Russian translation and the Russian entry should link to the English one. -- Anatoli ( talk) 03:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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I'd like to see a number of changes made to this list:
Any thoughts on this? Eldumpo ( talk) 09:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I raised a thread at WP:RSN, and whilst only one person has responded, the post and my subsequent findings would not seem to suggest that the citypopulation source is not reliable. Notwithstanding that, can the second citation be made direct as it seems to go to a page where there are further word/excel page options.
We may not agree on the length of the list, so as a compromise why not use a 100k cut-off (which tallies with Citypopulation). Also, you said earlier the list includes 'all' cities, in which case the page name should then change to List of most populous cities in Russia.
What about agreeing that the 2002 census column remains so people can see the actual population figures, but the 2002 rank and change columns get deleted? Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 09:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
A number of the 2002-related columns have now been deleted. After I started the process, a helpful IP finished the changes. Also, can the 2nd citation at the article point to a particular page. At present, it appears to point to an 'index' page. Eldumpo ( talk) 17:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Why are there ranking numbers missing from the end? They are alright until #322, then they go like this: 326, 327, 328, 329, 334, 342, 344, 346, 349, 351, 355, 357. There are only 335 cities on the list, of which the last one is not a city anymore. So is there a reason for the gaps on the list? 85.217.42.90 ( talk) 23:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello all. I'm working on tweaking the table for this list. I recently have done several tweaks to the tables for the US's largest cities and Brazil's largest cities lists, and this one is next on my radar. I have all of the population figures for cities with 50,000+ with the 2010 official counts and the estimates as of 1/1/2017 (per citypopulation.de/Russia.html). I'd like to talk about a few suggestions or ideas that I have and then have a conversation as to whether or not these would be good ideas:
I'm kind of throwing things together on a table on my laptop so that I'm not updating things incrementally on here. But what are your thoughts? Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 05:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
What if in the federal subjects column I shade the cells a certain color corresponding to which federal district that subject is in like on the Federal districts of Russia page? Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 17:22, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I updated the table and color-coded the federal subjects column to pertain to their federal districts. I eliminated the federal district column so that none of the lines in the table would wrap onto another line. I used the colors for the federal districts based on the colors for the federal districts page, but if there is anyone who wants to go through and maybe make the colors more diluted or transparent, that'd be appreciated. Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 04:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the critiques. I will reinstate the federal district column when I get the time! Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 00:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Ezhiki: Where did you get the above rar file. Is it available on-line? I couldn’t open it but was only trying on iPad. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 07:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
To me, none of them makes sense.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 16:17, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello,
Considering the beginning of the article states that Ukrainian cities such as Sevastopol are not included in the list, can this issue be resolved?
Either, the recent edit from August to include Ukrainian cities is undone, and they are excluded as is stated in the opening blurb, or the cities are kept in the list but a more thorough section of the opening blurb (or perhaps a new heading) is written up to give the perspective that the Ukrainian cities are only recognised as being parts of Russia by a handful of nations?
FormalRS ( talk) 19:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
As you had recommended, I believed that such an edit to the page would require discussion on the talk page. However I see this is not the case for yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FormalRS ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
The population density map is excellent but there's nothing to show what units of land area it uses. Would someone clarify that? Poihths ( talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Info There are new datas about population - results of the 2021 census are published:
https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/tab-5_VPN-2020.xlsx . The
Russian article is renewed yet. --
VAP+VYK (
talk)
06:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
No countries in the world are currently recognizing Ukrainian cities as Russian cities. They shouldn't be added to this list. 188.25.61.227 ( talk) 08:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
"Cities in grey are in areas annexed by Russia that the international community considers illegally occupied by Russia. Only a few nations recognize Crimea as part of Russia."
The inclusion of cities in Ukraine on a list of cities of Russia is WP:SYNTH, and not supported by WP:RS. There is no RS consensus that cities in Ukraine belong to the set of “cities in Russia.” There is no RS consensus to treat the set of “cities in Russia” as including those in Russia and in Crimea, Ukraine, while omitting those in Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts of Ukraine. At best there is some coverage of Russian internal administrative functions that are dated because their data was gathered between 2014 and 2022, which is not the same as labelling these “cities in Russia.”
The content guideline WP:LISTCRITERIA says:
Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources. Avoid original or arbitrary criteria that would synthesize a list that is not plainly verifiable in reliable sources. In cases where the membership criteria are subjective or likely to be disputed, it is especially important that inclusion be based on reliable sources given with inline citations for each item.
What makes sense is to have a separate top-level heading for a standalone table “Russian-occupied cities and towns in Ukraine.” Its inclusion criteria should be clearly defined. All of the same background information would then be applied to a list that follows sources, rather than this imaginary table that says “Ukraine is Russia.”— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzajac ( talk • contribs)
The redirect
List of Russian administrative centers(*) and cities over 50,000 population at 2002 census has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15 § List of Russian administrative centers(*) and cities over 50,000 population at 2002 census until a consensus is reached.
Steel1943 (
talk)
22:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
The names for columns seem to be placed incorrectly - they should be swapped, because the names don't match the numbers in the columns.
Russian version of this table has similar structure, and columns are named correctly there. AntonKravtsov ( talk) 14:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)