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I don't agree with the removal, while common in older times, something unusual by today's standards and its examples among already notable people are relevant examples. As for the query about sourcing, TRPOD could you clarify what you mean? The ages themselves are derived from birth and wedding dates from the articles we already have about these people. Ranze ( talk) 06:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
The tabulated layout separating ages was obviously clearer and easier to reference. As previously stated the links contain citations. If for some reason you disagree, please give a clear and concise explanation on here of why you thing a column of names is better. AlwynJPie ( talk) 04:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
The list may have looked bloated when it was sectioned according to age but I feel it is a lot less appeasing in the way it is laid out now. TheRedPenOfDoom Did you really have to delete all those entries? As I previously said, there was supported evidence in the links on all the entries that I looked at. I respect of removing the sections: whilst I agree that some of the age divided sections were sparse, this should be expected with any new article. I would expect the number of entries in all age sections to increase as I am pretty sure there has been thousands of notable child brides throughout history. Most articles on Wikipedia have started out small and it's probably more convenient to put the framework in place first as I suspect this is what the founder of the article had in mind when he composed it. I agree with you that putting the entries in chronicle order is helpful and reduces the need to estimate an age especially where there is uncertainty or dispute. Another problem lies in exactly what constitutes a marriage; for example Aisha, "who was six or seven when betrothed to Muhammad, and nine, or ten, when the marriage was consummated"; and Margaret Beaufort's marriage to John de la Pole: she herself never acknowledged this marriage. AlwynJPie ( talk) 22:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you RedPen for your clear and concise response. AlwynJPie ( talk) 01:29, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the statement
Utilizing that as an inclusion criteria is problematic. Defining the contents as " child marriages (girls married before turning 18)." is an a-historical view, when most of the entries will have taken place well before such a conceptual view applied.
We need to come up with some other more appropriate cross cultural and cross historical definition. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree. Iady391 | Talk to me here 19:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Aiysha was 19 when he married the final messenger. THe hadith is not true. This a a myth that has been long solved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marccran ( talk • contribs) 08:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Aisha's age is disputed, but the concensus is to base it on Hadith 5133 Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64 https://sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69 which places her age at 6 when betrothed/married and at 9 when the marriage was consummated.
Yasir Qadhi said ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GMwR1gmZ6M&t=288) "don't apologize for the truth and don't distort the truth there are Muslims that try to deny this or he didn't marry Ayesha as a young girl yeah actually look that's not the way forward we don't lie for the sake of our religion and stuff for Allah we have the truth we're not going to cover up the truth that people find it embarrassing this is the reality deal with it our prophet has married a young girl and it was fine for the time I am NOT saying we need to resurrect this age in our time because times have changed"
Adnan Rashid Age of Aishah: Historical Analysis - Adnan Rashid (Cape Town - 19/05/2019) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQE35KTO518&t=866 states "she herself made the statement that I was nine when the Prophet consummated the marriage the marriage the marriage, the betrothal was done when she was six and it was consummated when I was nine this cannot be doubted if you are consistent about Islam in Islamic literature this Hadith cannot be doubted"
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This list is so incomplete so as to almost seem completely arbitrary. It seems like it's a remaining rump from something bigger. Should it be folded into something else or do we need like a warning that it's incomplete and edits are needed? 108.183.22.133 ( talk) 20:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Why is she listed under Middle East, 15th century? FlospyFlospy ( talk) 04:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
No mention of the prophet's wife. I guess we have some very religious editors. 2605:8D80:505:A418:1BD8:C4B:3D40:3533 ( talk) 16:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
188.105.27.5 ( talk) 21:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
up until 2019, girls could marry at 13, boys at 14, in New Hampshire. now, it's sixteen. 2601:701:C002:FD40:D54:6FA:369C:7548 ( talk) 15:39, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
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I don't agree with the removal, while common in older times, something unusual by today's standards and its examples among already notable people are relevant examples. As for the query about sourcing, TRPOD could you clarify what you mean? The ages themselves are derived from birth and wedding dates from the articles we already have about these people. Ranze ( talk) 06:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
The tabulated layout separating ages was obviously clearer and easier to reference. As previously stated the links contain citations. If for some reason you disagree, please give a clear and concise explanation on here of why you thing a column of names is better. AlwynJPie ( talk) 04:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
The list may have looked bloated when it was sectioned according to age but I feel it is a lot less appeasing in the way it is laid out now. TheRedPenOfDoom Did you really have to delete all those entries? As I previously said, there was supported evidence in the links on all the entries that I looked at. I respect of removing the sections: whilst I agree that some of the age divided sections were sparse, this should be expected with any new article. I would expect the number of entries in all age sections to increase as I am pretty sure there has been thousands of notable child brides throughout history. Most articles on Wikipedia have started out small and it's probably more convenient to put the framework in place first as I suspect this is what the founder of the article had in mind when he composed it. I agree with you that putting the entries in chronicle order is helpful and reduces the need to estimate an age especially where there is uncertainty or dispute. Another problem lies in exactly what constitutes a marriage; for example Aisha, "who was six or seven when betrothed to Muhammad, and nine, or ten, when the marriage was consummated"; and Margaret Beaufort's marriage to John de la Pole: she herself never acknowledged this marriage. AlwynJPie ( talk) 22:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you RedPen for your clear and concise response. AlwynJPie ( talk) 01:29, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the statement
Utilizing that as an inclusion criteria is problematic. Defining the contents as " child marriages (girls married before turning 18)." is an a-historical view, when most of the entries will have taken place well before such a conceptual view applied.
We need to come up with some other more appropriate cross cultural and cross historical definition. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree. Iady391 | Talk to me here 19:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Aiysha was 19 when he married the final messenger. THe hadith is not true. This a a myth that has been long solved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marccran ( talk • contribs) 08:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Aisha's age is disputed, but the concensus is to base it on Hadith 5133 Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64 https://sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69 which places her age at 6 when betrothed/married and at 9 when the marriage was consummated.
Yasir Qadhi said ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GMwR1gmZ6M&t=288) "don't apologize for the truth and don't distort the truth there are Muslims that try to deny this or he didn't marry Ayesha as a young girl yeah actually look that's not the way forward we don't lie for the sake of our religion and stuff for Allah we have the truth we're not going to cover up the truth that people find it embarrassing this is the reality deal with it our prophet has married a young girl and it was fine for the time I am NOT saying we need to resurrect this age in our time because times have changed"
Adnan Rashid Age of Aishah: Historical Analysis - Adnan Rashid (Cape Town - 19/05/2019) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQE35KTO518&t=866 states "she herself made the statement that I was nine when the Prophet consummated the marriage the marriage the marriage, the betrothal was done when she was six and it was consummated when I was nine this cannot be doubted if you are consistent about Islam in Islamic literature this Hadith cannot be doubted"
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This list is so incomplete so as to almost seem completely arbitrary. It seems like it's a remaining rump from something bigger. Should it be folded into something else or do we need like a warning that it's incomplete and edits are needed? 108.183.22.133 ( talk) 20:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Why is she listed under Middle East, 15th century? FlospyFlospy ( talk) 04:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
No mention of the prophet's wife. I guess we have some very religious editors. 2605:8D80:505:A418:1BD8:C4B:3D40:3533 ( talk) 16:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
188.105.27.5 ( talk) 21:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
up until 2019, girls could marry at 13, boys at 14, in New Hampshire. now, it's sixteen. 2601:701:C002:FD40:D54:6FA:369C:7548 ( talk) 15:39, 9 April 2023 (UTC)