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@ Colonestarrice: I propose to change the table to officeholder table, as it is easier to edit and navigate, shows time in office, easily customizeable, standard with a lot of other Wiki pages making migration of data easy, is sortable and is an overall cleaner version. Skjoldbro ( talk) 09:35, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Portrait | Chancellor | Took office | Left office | Time in office | Party | Election | Appointer | Cabinet | Ref. | |
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Karl Renner (1870–1950) Possible ref position | Dr.30 October 1918 | 7 July 1920 | 1 year, 251 days | SDAPÖ | 1919 | State Council |
Renner I Cabinet SDAPÖ– CS– GDVP | Possible ref position |
I already elucidated why I oppose your changes with the "points" you quoted above. Your "replies" don't counter them, they're just representative of your own personal opinion on the subject. Colonestarrice ( talk) 13:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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I did participate in the discussion, I did present my arguments, and so did you; but there ultimately was no agreement, no compromise and therefore no consensus. And your obsessive need to force through your version by constant insistence, as well as your cheap attempt to belittle my version as superfluous and extraneous by replacing all references with "{{small|Possible ref position}}", is not aiding in establishing consensus.
Even pages such as Vice-Chancellor of Austria and President of Austria do it" – that "others do it as well" is not a valid argument. "
Why should this one be any different?" – because it's redundant either way.
I mean, the refs don't necessarily "need" to be in a separate column" – "but I want it that way so fuck you" is not a valid argument either. "
It does make it easier to find and edit them." – WP:Readers first.
Because he was the appointer for each one" – in the current table he is too. "
And with sort-able tables this happens either way." – why would you need sortable tables for a chronological list of Chancellors?
Sincerely Colonestarrice ( talk) 13:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
the refs don't necessarily "need" to be in a separate column" as seen in the table here. It is also not sortable and images have been increased to the size similar to that of the current table. And while I strongly disagree with the fact that splitting tenure into two columns is superfluously, I have also recollected Tenure, while still keeping time in office. Like I said before, it will still have Miklas 10 times, but I would qualify that as an acceptable cost compared to the rest of the table. Best Skjoldbro ( talk) 15:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Sebastian Kurz was ousted in a vote of no confidence today yet every time I update the article somebody keeps undoing my changes.
An editor named Colonestarrice is edit-warring to reintroduce titles such as "Mag." (which refers to someone with a mere master's degree) and "Dipl.-Kfm." (which isn't even an English-language term) in front of the names of the various chancellors. While WP:HONORIFICS is strictly speaking about biographies, I think the spirit of the manual of style is quite clear, and that we don't normally add such titles in front of names in lists. -- Tataral ( talk) 16:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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@ Colonestarrice: I propose to change the table to officeholder table, as it is easier to edit and navigate, shows time in office, easily customizeable, standard with a lot of other Wiki pages making migration of data easy, is sortable and is an overall cleaner version. Skjoldbro ( talk) 09:35, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Portrait | Chancellor | Took office | Left office | Time in office | Party | Election | Appointer | Cabinet | Ref. | |
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Karl Renner (1870–1950) Possible ref position | Dr.30 October 1918 | 7 July 1920 | 1 year, 251 days | SDAPÖ | 1919 | State Council |
Renner I Cabinet SDAPÖ– CS– GDVP | Possible ref position |
I already elucidated why I oppose your changes with the "points" you quoted above. Your "replies" don't counter them, they're just representative of your own personal opinion on the subject. Colonestarrice ( talk) 13:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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I did participate in the discussion, I did present my arguments, and so did you; but there ultimately was no agreement, no compromise and therefore no consensus. And your obsessive need to force through your version by constant insistence, as well as your cheap attempt to belittle my version as superfluous and extraneous by replacing all references with "{{small|Possible ref position}}", is not aiding in establishing consensus.
Even pages such as Vice-Chancellor of Austria and President of Austria do it" – that "others do it as well" is not a valid argument. "
Why should this one be any different?" – because it's redundant either way.
I mean, the refs don't necessarily "need" to be in a separate column" – "but I want it that way so fuck you" is not a valid argument either. "
It does make it easier to find and edit them." – WP:Readers first.
Because he was the appointer for each one" – in the current table he is too. "
And with sort-able tables this happens either way." – why would you need sortable tables for a chronological list of Chancellors?
Sincerely Colonestarrice ( talk) 13:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
the refs don't necessarily "need" to be in a separate column" as seen in the table here. It is also not sortable and images have been increased to the size similar to that of the current table. And while I strongly disagree with the fact that splitting tenure into two columns is superfluously, I have also recollected Tenure, while still keeping time in office. Like I said before, it will still have Miklas 10 times, but I would qualify that as an acceptable cost compared to the rest of the table. Best Skjoldbro ( talk) 15:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Sebastian Kurz was ousted in a vote of no confidence today yet every time I update the article somebody keeps undoing my changes.
An editor named Colonestarrice is edit-warring to reintroduce titles such as "Mag." (which refers to someone with a mere master's degree) and "Dipl.-Kfm." (which isn't even an English-language term) in front of the names of the various chancellors. While WP:HONORIFICS is strictly speaking about biographies, I think the spirit of the manual of style is quite clear, and that we don't normally add such titles in front of names in lists. -- Tataral ( talk) 16:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)