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Converting this list into a list of lists makes it totally useless. This should be a list of casinos in the United States and not a list of links to lists. The fact that transclusion allows you to have the list here and have a by state list is the correct implemention. The reverting of changes to do do both makes not sense what so ever. Vegaswikian ( talk) 04:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I converted List of casinos in Mississippi to the table format. Take a look at that and see how it looks. Any major changes need to be made before we migrate this to all of the other states. Next I need to get the inclusion into this article working correctly. Vegaswikian ( talk) 06:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, the conversions are done and a navigation template is also available. If anyone wants, they can insert the template {{ Lists of casinos by U.S. state}}. See List of casinos in Alabama for an example. Also someone really needs to review the contents. There are many Native American casinos not identified as such, or at least I think they are based on the names, is one example of needed cleanup. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
You are sorting with 'The' in the title? This doesn't match standard sorting rules.
Do cruise ships really belong here? In most cases, they don't open their casinos until they're in international waters. So to say they're "in the United States" because they call ports in the US is more than a bit inaccurate. I am going to remove them. oknazevad ( talk) 23:26, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Am slowly adding coordinates where known. 79.139.205.64 ( talk) 10:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Not knowing that it was part of a larger table on another page, I added a "tribal operator" column to List of casinos in Oklahoma [1]. Of course, this had to be reverted since it broke the combined table on this page. I think this is useful information, however, and should be presented in the table; who runs a particular casino is certainly one of the property's "vital statistics" and should be included in a list like this. The scope of the column could be expanded to state the name of the entity that owns or operates it, regardless of if it is tribal or not (this would be useful so that one could sort the list to see all properties operated by Caesar's, or by StationCasinos, or by a particular tribe, etc). I don't think such a column would be redundant to the navbox templates that include all the properties for a particular company, as was suggested by Vegaswikian, because a) such a template wouldn't be appropriate if a particular entity only operated two or three properties and b) the table includes location information alongside each property, which the templates don't do for space reasons. This lets you sort by location and see who is competing in a particular market. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
This might be sensible for a state like Oklahoma where all or most of the casinos are tribal. Tribal casinos always have a single owner who can be listed succinctly in the table. For commercial casinos it's more complicated. Often the owner and the operator are two different entities, and it wouldn't make much sense to list one and not the other. Often there are multiple owners with different percentages, or there are complicated legal situations (try explaning the Borgata's ownership in the space of a table column). In some states like Colorado and South Dakota, most casinos are small independent operations, so the "operating entity" column would be a list of individuals or small holding company names that would be meaningless to almost all readers.
The root problem here is this list's transclusion structure that prevents decisions being made on a state-by-state basis. This arrangement prioritizes the convenience of editors (not having to update the same information in two places) over the experience of readers. I strongly believe that all the state-by-state lists should be substituted back into this article so that each article can evolve on its own terms. For example:
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Converting this list into a list of lists makes it totally useless. This should be a list of casinos in the United States and not a list of links to lists. The fact that transclusion allows you to have the list here and have a by state list is the correct implemention. The reverting of changes to do do both makes not sense what so ever. Vegaswikian ( talk) 04:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I converted List of casinos in Mississippi to the table format. Take a look at that and see how it looks. Any major changes need to be made before we migrate this to all of the other states. Next I need to get the inclusion into this article working correctly. Vegaswikian ( talk) 06:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, the conversions are done and a navigation template is also available. If anyone wants, they can insert the template {{ Lists of casinos by U.S. state}}. See List of casinos in Alabama for an example. Also someone really needs to review the contents. There are many Native American casinos not identified as such, or at least I think they are based on the names, is one example of needed cleanup. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
You are sorting with 'The' in the title? This doesn't match standard sorting rules.
Do cruise ships really belong here? In most cases, they don't open their casinos until they're in international waters. So to say they're "in the United States" because they call ports in the US is more than a bit inaccurate. I am going to remove them. oknazevad ( talk) 23:26, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Am slowly adding coordinates where known. 79.139.205.64 ( talk) 10:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Not knowing that it was part of a larger table on another page, I added a "tribal operator" column to List of casinos in Oklahoma [1]. Of course, this had to be reverted since it broke the combined table on this page. I think this is useful information, however, and should be presented in the table; who runs a particular casino is certainly one of the property's "vital statistics" and should be included in a list like this. The scope of the column could be expanded to state the name of the entity that owns or operates it, regardless of if it is tribal or not (this would be useful so that one could sort the list to see all properties operated by Caesar's, or by StationCasinos, or by a particular tribe, etc). I don't think such a column would be redundant to the navbox templates that include all the properties for a particular company, as was suggested by Vegaswikian, because a) such a template wouldn't be appropriate if a particular entity only operated two or three properties and b) the table includes location information alongside each property, which the templates don't do for space reasons. This lets you sort by location and see who is competing in a particular market. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
This might be sensible for a state like Oklahoma where all or most of the casinos are tribal. Tribal casinos always have a single owner who can be listed succinctly in the table. For commercial casinos it's more complicated. Often the owner and the operator are two different entities, and it wouldn't make much sense to list one and not the other. Often there are multiple owners with different percentages, or there are complicated legal situations (try explaning the Borgata's ownership in the space of a table column). In some states like Colorado and South Dakota, most casinos are small independent operations, so the "operating entity" column would be a list of individuals or small holding company names that would be meaningless to almost all readers.
The root problem here is this list's transclusion structure that prevents decisions being made on a state-by-state basis. This arrangement prioritizes the convenience of editors (not having to update the same information in two places) over the experience of readers. I strongly believe that all the state-by-state lists should be substituted back into this article so that each article can evolve on its own terms. For example: