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I guess it couldn't hurt to suggest and try to establish a list format for naming a specific carillon. Lets say:
Items to note about the format:
Please amend as needed. But don't leave stragglin' Carillons! -- Rbeas 23:15, 19 August 2005 (UTC) ('List format' moved here from the talk page of the article Carillons that had contained the list)
You sad,sad people. Sorry. 82.46.177.213 14:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add other bell instruments to this list. Chimes, electronically-assisted bell instruments, peals, and the like should be documented on the appropriate page in Wikipedia - not on this page. See The Carillon talk page for more information. SaxTeacher (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added the Carillon at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC. I believe that the Bells of Congress in the same city should probably be removed, as they are a change-rung peal.--
Cantabwarrior
21:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Having confirmed that the Bells of Congress at the [Old Post Office] Tower in Washington, D.C. are in fact a change-rung peal of 10 bells, I have removed them from the list. For more information about the Bells of Congress, see [
[1]]. --
Cantabwarrior
18:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
As I stated yesterday on your talk page immediately after finding out we had been working simultaneously on 'Carillon': "The List of carillons still needs some clear reference to the definition, I think that list should be split in a chapter for traditional carillons, and one for other true carillons.", the list was updated in such way. Since a few of the instruments that sound like a carillon though do not fit the definitions for either traditional carillons or non-traditional carillons, are worthwile mentioning; and since these do not have their own article (to which ' Campanology', ' Carillon' and ' List of carillons' should then have to refer), and since we certainly should not throw these together with Hammond organs or Moog synthesizers either, I also introduced a third section pseudo-carillons. The definitions are briefly stated at top of each section with a reference towards a detailed definition. -- SomeHuman 2006-07-05 22:11 (UTC)
Please note that ' Chimes' (like a carillon but les than 23 bells as needed for 2 octaves), ' British bells' (used for bell-ringing), ' Russian Orthodox bells' (used for a very different type of bell-ringing) have, like ' Carillons', their brief description in the ' Campanology' overview of musical bell instruments; and each has its very own article that goes into more specific details. -- SomeHuman 2006-07-05 22:28 (UTC)
I suggest that this list be limited to those carillons which are mentioned elsewhere in en.wikipedia.org, i.e., within articles about building, institutions, etc., and that it be kept to the present simple format with geographical organization. There is no point in trying to maintain a comprehensive and up-to-date list here when both the World Carillon Federation and TowerBells.org (see Links section of the page) already exert significant effort to do just that (albeit with different levels of detail). Their lists already contain nearly 700 entries for traditional carillons. And as the maintainer of one of those lists, I'm not about to add maintenance of this page to my workload. -- STLbells 2013-11-20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by STLbells ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Has any thought been given to all electronic carillons? Gasp, this can hit some in the business to the heart to think in these terms. I have watched a similar transition from only recognizing "real pipe organs" to the acceptance of high-end digital pipe organs over the past few decades. There will always be room for both. How can we gracefully accommodate the new kids on the block (electronic carillons) without alienating both groups? -- Jrshaw 05:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Any suggestions on what to do with the Nancy Brown Peace Carillion of Belle Island Detroint Michigan? [2] This used to be a traditional 49 bell carillon. The bells appear to be intact but are no longer used. An all-electronic system with speakers now provides the music out of the tower. Physically it is a traditional carillon while practically it is and electronic/digital one. -- Jrshaw 07:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
What is the plan for the Red links (missing articles)? There is some inconsistency. In some cases, there are plans for the instrument, tower, or the building, while not in other cases. A proposed solution: Remove the red letter links (make them plain text) and let those with the inside knowledge add them as they are so moved?. The page will be much the cleaner for it. -- Jrshaw 05:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial Carillon is the heaviest carillon and its bourdon alone weighs over 18 tonnes. But where can it be found?
I was editing the article on New York City, adding the data found on the GCNA website that is rather the most comprehensive authorative source on carillons especially for North American carillons, and I phrased it like this:
Then I stumbled on the website of the Chicago University... on The Laura Spelman Rockefeller Carillon stating "The Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial Carillon, given to the University of Chicago by John D. Rockefeller, Jr., in memory of his mother, was dedicated on Thanksgiving Day, 1932. It is the largest single installation of a carillon ever achieved, and remains the second largest carillon in the world. Cast in Croydon, England, this carillon is considered to be the masterpiece of the foundry of Gillett & Johnston. (...) The Rockefeller Carillon, with its 18 1/2-ton bourdon, or bass bell, is the second largest carillon in the world. It consists of 72 bells with a compass of six octaves, starting on the C# two octaves below middle C. The total weight of the bronze in the instrument is over 100 tons, including about 78 tons of copper and 22 tons of tin." Fortunately, this article explains the mystery: "The Chicago carillon is 'only' the second-largest carillon, but it is nevertheless the single largest carillon installation ever achieved. A larger instrument is in the tower of The Riverside Church in New York City. Donated by John D. Rockefeller, it also bears the name of Laura Spelman Rockefeller. It, too, was cast in large part by the Gillett and Johnston firm, a year before the completion of the Chicago instrument, and contains two bells more - one larger bourdon and one smaller bell - than its counterpart. However, the New York instrument reached its current senior status as a result of several growth spurts, incorporating the bells of two separate foundries."
I added a 'not to be confounded' note and the specific GCNA references for New York City and for Chicago, and reedited the latter's entry:
Both the local pages are slightly contradicted by the GCNA, which I assume to be most carefully updated, thus – atypically – I added the link to their technical datasheet. All this just in case someone else might wonder too. — SomeHuman 2006-08-09 22:12 (UTC)
GCNA lists three Carillons in Houston. I just added one. The other two are listed at http://www.gcna.org/data/TXHOUSTL.HTM and http://www.gcna.org/data/TXHOUSSJ.HTM .
University of Houston has a Schulmerich pseudo-carillon atop the M.D. Anderson Library. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YhnMzw ( talk • contribs) 05:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Grace Cathedral in San Francisco, CA has a 44 bell Gillet & Johnson carilon that is played from an electronic keyboard (the bells, except for the bourdon, are played with solonoids, the bourdon can either be swung or played with a mechanism that swings the clapper.
http://www.gracecathedral.org/content/arts/cry_19980701.shtml
The Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, CA has a fairly new 55 bell carillon called the Arvela Schuler Carilon. It's housed in a purpose built tower, but I've been unable to find out who built it (it's a Dutch firm) or how it's played. There may be a traditional keyboard housed in a upper room of the tower (it's 253 feet tall), but I've been unable to verify it. I do know that the carilon is playable from the two organ consoles located in the church proper. The fact that this carillon is listed here: http://www.carillon.org/eng/fs_carillon.htm, and the Grace Cathedral carillon is not, would suggest that the Crystal Cathedral carillon also has a mechanical mechanism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GFMLB ( talk • contribs) 03:59, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
The carilon IS a traditional carillon playable from a mechanical console a 144 foot climb up a ladder (!) using a safety harness. The bells were made by Eijsbouts.
http://www.gcna.org/data/CAGARDEN.HTM —Preceding unsigned comment added by GFMLB ( talk • contribs) 04:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Just as a note, there is one listed in Ohio in the Eastern section, while the other one in Ohio is listed in Central. 99.101.6.29 ( talk) 19:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The carillon in the Olympiapark does no longer exist http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carillon_im_Olympiapark_M%C3%BCnchen but the Mariahilfkirche in the Munich citypart AU has since 2012 a carillon http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariahilfkirche_%28M%C3%BCnchen%29#Carillon. I correct the list in the article. 188.174.215.219 ( talk) 21:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC) a helpfull link, which "talks" German, Englisch and Dutch: http://www.glockenspielvereinigung.de/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.174.215.219 ( talk) 21:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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I guess it couldn't hurt to suggest and try to establish a list format for naming a specific carillon. Lets say:
Items to note about the format:
Please amend as needed. But don't leave stragglin' Carillons! -- Rbeas 23:15, 19 August 2005 (UTC) ('List format' moved here from the talk page of the article Carillons that had contained the list)
You sad,sad people. Sorry. 82.46.177.213 14:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add other bell instruments to this list. Chimes, electronically-assisted bell instruments, peals, and the like should be documented on the appropriate page in Wikipedia - not on this page. See The Carillon talk page for more information. SaxTeacher (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added the Carillon at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC. I believe that the Bells of Congress in the same city should probably be removed, as they are a change-rung peal.--
Cantabwarrior
21:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Having confirmed that the Bells of Congress at the [Old Post Office] Tower in Washington, D.C. are in fact a change-rung peal of 10 bells, I have removed them from the list. For more information about the Bells of Congress, see [
[1]]. --
Cantabwarrior
18:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
As I stated yesterday on your talk page immediately after finding out we had been working simultaneously on 'Carillon': "The List of carillons still needs some clear reference to the definition, I think that list should be split in a chapter for traditional carillons, and one for other true carillons.", the list was updated in such way. Since a few of the instruments that sound like a carillon though do not fit the definitions for either traditional carillons or non-traditional carillons, are worthwile mentioning; and since these do not have their own article (to which ' Campanology', ' Carillon' and ' List of carillons' should then have to refer), and since we certainly should not throw these together with Hammond organs or Moog synthesizers either, I also introduced a third section pseudo-carillons. The definitions are briefly stated at top of each section with a reference towards a detailed definition. -- SomeHuman 2006-07-05 22:11 (UTC)
Please note that ' Chimes' (like a carillon but les than 23 bells as needed for 2 octaves), ' British bells' (used for bell-ringing), ' Russian Orthodox bells' (used for a very different type of bell-ringing) have, like ' Carillons', their brief description in the ' Campanology' overview of musical bell instruments; and each has its very own article that goes into more specific details. -- SomeHuman 2006-07-05 22:28 (UTC)
I suggest that this list be limited to those carillons which are mentioned elsewhere in en.wikipedia.org, i.e., within articles about building, institutions, etc., and that it be kept to the present simple format with geographical organization. There is no point in trying to maintain a comprehensive and up-to-date list here when both the World Carillon Federation and TowerBells.org (see Links section of the page) already exert significant effort to do just that (albeit with different levels of detail). Their lists already contain nearly 700 entries for traditional carillons. And as the maintainer of one of those lists, I'm not about to add maintenance of this page to my workload. -- STLbells 2013-11-20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by STLbells ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Has any thought been given to all electronic carillons? Gasp, this can hit some in the business to the heart to think in these terms. I have watched a similar transition from only recognizing "real pipe organs" to the acceptance of high-end digital pipe organs over the past few decades. There will always be room for both. How can we gracefully accommodate the new kids on the block (electronic carillons) without alienating both groups? -- Jrshaw 05:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Any suggestions on what to do with the Nancy Brown Peace Carillion of Belle Island Detroint Michigan? [2] This used to be a traditional 49 bell carillon. The bells appear to be intact but are no longer used. An all-electronic system with speakers now provides the music out of the tower. Physically it is a traditional carillon while practically it is and electronic/digital one. -- Jrshaw 07:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
What is the plan for the Red links (missing articles)? There is some inconsistency. In some cases, there are plans for the instrument, tower, or the building, while not in other cases. A proposed solution: Remove the red letter links (make them plain text) and let those with the inside knowledge add them as they are so moved?. The page will be much the cleaner for it. -- Jrshaw 05:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial Carillon is the heaviest carillon and its bourdon alone weighs over 18 tonnes. But where can it be found?
I was editing the article on New York City, adding the data found on the GCNA website that is rather the most comprehensive authorative source on carillons especially for North American carillons, and I phrased it like this:
Then I stumbled on the website of the Chicago University... on The Laura Spelman Rockefeller Carillon stating "The Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial Carillon, given to the University of Chicago by John D. Rockefeller, Jr., in memory of his mother, was dedicated on Thanksgiving Day, 1932. It is the largest single installation of a carillon ever achieved, and remains the second largest carillon in the world. Cast in Croydon, England, this carillon is considered to be the masterpiece of the foundry of Gillett & Johnston. (...) The Rockefeller Carillon, with its 18 1/2-ton bourdon, or bass bell, is the second largest carillon in the world. It consists of 72 bells with a compass of six octaves, starting on the C# two octaves below middle C. The total weight of the bronze in the instrument is over 100 tons, including about 78 tons of copper and 22 tons of tin." Fortunately, this article explains the mystery: "The Chicago carillon is 'only' the second-largest carillon, but it is nevertheless the single largest carillon installation ever achieved. A larger instrument is in the tower of The Riverside Church in New York City. Donated by John D. Rockefeller, it also bears the name of Laura Spelman Rockefeller. It, too, was cast in large part by the Gillett and Johnston firm, a year before the completion of the Chicago instrument, and contains two bells more - one larger bourdon and one smaller bell - than its counterpart. However, the New York instrument reached its current senior status as a result of several growth spurts, incorporating the bells of two separate foundries."
I added a 'not to be confounded' note and the specific GCNA references for New York City and for Chicago, and reedited the latter's entry:
Both the local pages are slightly contradicted by the GCNA, which I assume to be most carefully updated, thus – atypically – I added the link to their technical datasheet. All this just in case someone else might wonder too. — SomeHuman 2006-08-09 22:12 (UTC)
GCNA lists three Carillons in Houston. I just added one. The other two are listed at http://www.gcna.org/data/TXHOUSTL.HTM and http://www.gcna.org/data/TXHOUSSJ.HTM .
University of Houston has a Schulmerich pseudo-carillon atop the M.D. Anderson Library. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YhnMzw ( talk • contribs) 05:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Grace Cathedral in San Francisco, CA has a 44 bell Gillet & Johnson carilon that is played from an electronic keyboard (the bells, except for the bourdon, are played with solonoids, the bourdon can either be swung or played with a mechanism that swings the clapper.
http://www.gracecathedral.org/content/arts/cry_19980701.shtml
The Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, CA has a fairly new 55 bell carillon called the Arvela Schuler Carilon. It's housed in a purpose built tower, but I've been unable to find out who built it (it's a Dutch firm) or how it's played. There may be a traditional keyboard housed in a upper room of the tower (it's 253 feet tall), but I've been unable to verify it. I do know that the carilon is playable from the two organ consoles located in the church proper. The fact that this carillon is listed here: http://www.carillon.org/eng/fs_carillon.htm, and the Grace Cathedral carillon is not, would suggest that the Crystal Cathedral carillon also has a mechanical mechanism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GFMLB ( talk • contribs) 03:59, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
The carilon IS a traditional carillon playable from a mechanical console a 144 foot climb up a ladder (!) using a safety harness. The bells were made by Eijsbouts.
http://www.gcna.org/data/CAGARDEN.HTM —Preceding unsigned comment added by GFMLB ( talk • contribs) 04:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Just as a note, there is one listed in Ohio in the Eastern section, while the other one in Ohio is listed in Central. 99.101.6.29 ( talk) 19:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The carillon in the Olympiapark does no longer exist http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carillon_im_Olympiapark_M%C3%BCnchen but the Mariahilfkirche in the Munich citypart AU has since 2012 a carillon http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariahilfkirche_%28M%C3%BCnchen%29#Carillon. I correct the list in the article. 188.174.215.219 ( talk) 21:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC) a helpfull link, which "talks" German, Englisch and Dutch: http://www.glockenspielvereinigung.de/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.174.215.219 ( talk) 21:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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