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Many islands, that are in brazil deep in the amazonian might be inhabited, yet, car free. -- Kamil Hasenfeller ( talk) 11:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I add this as it is a way to verify, thought it is not a source in itself.
The article was initially car-free places. Why was it renamed in car-free islands? Most islands in the world are car-free actually...one should include so many inhabited islands, islands.
Why is there so much will to reduce the number of places mentionned here? As for the user that has removed one island in Ouagadougou which has been recently made car-free. Local press at least felt it was worth writing about it, even if it's a low-motorisation countr? Kamil_Hasenfeller ( talk) 15:27, 8 April 2023
Yelapa, Jalisco, Mexico should also be included, as it has a noteworthy population and supports tourism. It is not technically an Island surrounded by water, but it is definitely a town that matches the Island definition 2. "a thing resembling an island, especially in being isolated, detached, or surrounded in some way." It does appear that someone changed the title from Car-free places without discussion. There is very little information on Autoluw places in the world... the wiki article hasn't even been translated! Oldarney2 ( talk) 22:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Much of the debate on this page has centered on what is or is not a car-free place. Could someone please look up how the car-free movement defines such a place and add it to this and the main page? Then, we should let the wikipedians who know best decide which places conform to the definition, and debate it right here!
Some possible questions such a definition should answer: How car-free is car-free? (Are buses allowed? Is there peripheral parking?) How must they be populated/used by humans? (Certainly the north pole is free of cars, but I don't think it would be considered a car-free place because it's also civilization-free!) How big must they be? (My house is car-free, except the garage!) Must they be public? Do large indoor shopping malls count? How about farms, where tractors and other equipment drive around? You get the picture. Az7997 20:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I will give a general ad-hoc definition for the article's preface:
It is evident we should not include forests, at least those that are not close to urban centres. (There was the urban forest of east of Paris, which is passed through by busses, cars, and is cut by cars in 2 places).
There are several levels of car-free"ness".
Complete bans, partial bans, periodical bans (Paris very very centre is closed every other sunday). Some bans are in whole neighbourhoods, some are city wide.
Hi, I can't find any evidence that the mall from Odéon to Place Monge is car-free. Did you mean Odéon to Port-Royal which would mean jardin du Luxembourg + avenue de l'observatoire which is car free? I hope I am wrong and there is a car free lane from Odéon to Place Monge! REgards Phil of Bristol 14:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil of Bristol ( talk • contribs)
In spite of it I have been there, and it is.
-- 2A01:E34:EC12:36C0:95B7:DCA0:134B:8DE7 ( talk) 15:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
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If you have a web link for the place, add it like this: |[http://www.hahnenklee.de/deutsch/willkommen.htm Hahnenklee-Bockswiese] || Entire town || 2,500 || Town in the Harz mountain area
If the place stands out, its name should have a beige background: add |bgcolor="#dddd88" at the beginning of the line:
|bgcolor="#dddd88"|[[Freiburg]] im Breisgau || Large carfree center || City 200,000; Carfree areas perhaps 10,000? || Medieval university town; a very small amount of car traffic is permitted on some streets; trams provide access
In the few cases where the place is almost completely carfree (green background), add |bgcolor="#88dd88":
|bgcolor="#88dd88"|[[Zermatt]] || Entire town || Probably 20,000 or so || Carfree Alpine resort with prototype "Utility Area" at the entrance; slow electric taxis and freight vehicles used, although these are sometimes driven at higher speeds -- Erauch 17:15, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I think Freiburg's role as a car-free town is a little bit exaggerated. I live in Freiburg, even in the mentioned Vauban area.
Even in the Vauban area there are cars. Lots of cars, actually. Inside Vauban, there is only one section (called "Genova" [1]) which is actually car-free. This section consists of 73 apartments. That's it.
The rest of the houses is directly reachable by cars. Of course there is reduced traffic, but this is nothing special for German residential areas.
Best regards, -- zeno 23:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Should we spell it as car-free? Some people, like me, misread carfree as “Carefree”.
First, I deleted Peachtree Center in Atlanta, simply because it doesn't meet the criteria in any way, shape or form (nobody lives there, car intrusion still exists, etc). Additionally, its entry seemed biased, as though a tourism ad.
My main question is this: shouldn't Manhattan, or at least NYC at large, be listed? I always hear that 2 million residents live in the urban area without cars. Even though car intrusion exists in New York, the city certainly fosters a car-free lifestyle for many people. It seems the U.S. standard is only that it is an exceptional example of car-independent life, since we do not have truly car-free cities. Surely New York is exceptional in the United States for its centralized-design and subway system. I don't know; I don't use wikipedia that much. What do you think?
71.56.70.127 15:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Nope. Car-free doesn't mean convenient to live without a car and inconvenient to live with one. It means no cars.
Then why are any of these entries in any way car-free? Other than a few exceptional European ones, or developer schemes (which usually still have cars)?
[Posted on 2006.12.9] -- I think this is an interesting point that illuminates the fact that most of these places (in the US section, at least) have little if nothing to do with the car free movement, which is a movement dedicated to reducing dependence on cars. They are, for the most part, tiny shopping malls that are almost exclusively accessed by automobile. Whereas Manhattan, a large island inhabited by 1.6 million people and built in a way that enables 80% of them to live without even owning a car, is not included.
IIRC, the Sahara area of Rio de Janeiro has several narrow pedestrian streets with small stores. And there are a few other carfree streets in the old centro. Does anyone know the street names to add Rio to the list? 71.146.35.69 15:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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It is very hard to compile an accurate list of car-free/ car restricted areas, and even harder to find out the area size, number of buildings, people living in that area etc. To my knowledge Cities who have car-free areas do not give statistics in their own tourist information internet site. Being originally born in France and going there often, I noticed that the list of car-free areas in France is very limited (delivery vehicles, cars of people living in a car-free area are allowed limited access usually before/after business hours). in fact there isn't a town, big or small in France--or in the rest of Europe-- that doesn't have a pedestrian area, often a sizeable one. for example: Toulouse, Clermont Ferrand, Beziers, Montpellier, Carcassonne, Marseille, Lille, Rennes, Rouen, Perigueux, Biarritz, Bayonne, Nice, and so on. in Germany Berlin and Frankfurt aren't listed yet they have several streets and squares. The Hague in the Netherlands should also be included. There are also car-free areas in every Eastern European countries, in Japan etc. In London there is also the Soho / Covent Garden area etc. etc. I think it would be fair to say that, compared to North America, there is an astonishing number of towns around the world that have from a couple of streets to sizeable districts that are car-free or where only local cars are allowed, with restrictions. It would be easier to compile a list of towns that don't have car-free/ car restricted areas!.
It seems hard to believe that there are no car-free places in all of Australasia. Yeesh. I know Melbourne had a few - Swanston St and the Bourke St Mall - although I haven't lived there for 4 years, and things change. Maw 22:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Inserted by Rauterkus 18:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC) Touch up is welcomed.
"Kids can play in most streets"?
I lived in Santa Barbara, CA for 7 years and I can report that Isla Vista (the college town area next to UCSB) does not have a single car-free street. In fact the overwhelming impression you get walking down the street is that the driveways are literally bursting with cars, every inch of curb space is taken and most streets have no sidewalks. However given the laidback nature of Isla Vista it is perfectly acceptable to walk at a leisurely pace in the middle of the street.
Madison, WI has a nice street called State St which is car-free for six blocks - only buses and bicyclists allowed.
Some photographs perhaps please?
Please add Istiklal Avenue in Istanbul to the list . Thank you .
Can someone who understands how ro do it please clean up the faulty formatting which has ledt one place orphaned at the end of the Asia section? Thanks. Rodparkes 09:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Small area in the city center, ........ probably 6 to 10 streets .......... Unknown, probably a few thousand Probably some delivery trucks permitted during limited hours....... etc.
Most of this article is pretty inaccurate, I'm sure that doesn't meet the guidelines. If you don't know ... N/A... or leave blank? But no guessing. This is an encyclopaedia after all :)
Good idea though.
81.105.23.0 ( talk) 18:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I've been to Polperro in Cornwall, and we had to park our car in a car park just outside the main village, and could only access it by horse and cart or electric tram. As far as I can see, this would count as a "car-free" place (and the wikipedia page for Polperro seems to back me up), although I would like someone else's opinion on this. 82.19.71.120 ( talk) 17:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I can find no evidence that Ouagadougou is any more car-free than any other cities in the region, furthermore referring to the city's inhabitants as 'villagers' and assuming they are too poor to afford cars sounds unnecessarily patronizing for a Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.147.176 ( talk) 13:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
How so? It's the capital city of the country. There are many cars. And there were, hence a ban happened. Not everyone has a car, but there are still thousands of thousands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamil Hasenfeller ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
This category under Europe needs some work doing, when someone has some time.
Ideally each country within this category would be listed separately, in alphabetical order under "Europe"; it would be a step forward if the countries therein were even in within the Baltic or Balkans territories. Neither the Czeck Republic nor Romania qualify. Also, Serbia is already listed separately, so it's a bit of a tussle to decide whether to take out Belgrade and put it under Serbia or whether to put the whole of Serbia into the "Baltic and Balkans" category, which would seem to be a retrograde step but might be expected by readers to appear there.
Rainlightly ( talk) 18:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Since the chart includes the park island in Wisconsin (accessible by ferry but no vehicles allowed), I can think of several similar islands that would qualify, including Matagorda Island in Texas and Horn Island in Mississippi. I would add them myself if I had the patience to figure out these tables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.69.204.131 ( talk) 22:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi! Koh Tral (Phu Quoc) is a Vietnamese Island - i know about the history and the related dispute - still it lies inside Vietnamese territory, has been for quite some time and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Anyhow, the great majority of Cambodia's Islands doesn't have any roads and is car-free. Exceptions: Koh Sdach (1 road), Koh Puah (Snake island) and Koh Ta Kiev. The Islands of Koh Kong's mangrove marshes do have dirt tracks frequented by all sorts of vehicles.
All the best!!! Wikirictor ( talk) 10:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I see travel guides suggesting taxi and car travel around Phu Quoc. Is it still car-free? -- 103.47.246.111 ( talk) 13:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
The following islands are mentioned as car-free:
http://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/archive/index.jsp?pgmid=22384 http://www.touropia.com/laid-back-islands-without-cars/ Some are probably not yet mentioned. What hasn't been described neither are Car-free countries. I'm assuming these also exist as some small island states (ie in the Pacific) probably don't have cars neither, and are countries on their own (I'm thinking of Niue, ...) KVDP ( talk) 13:20, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
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Most of places listed have only a few pedestrian streets in the entire city. In most of these places you can not even avoid seeing cars while being in the "carfree" area. What is the limit to consider a place car-free? Unless this is well defined, this list does not make sense and does not belong in Wikipedia. Also this article is almost completely unreferenced. -- Ita140188 ( talk) 12:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Having visited Essaouira I was able to add it with substantial information, however there are many similar walled medinas in other cities which have not been added and which I do not know enough about myself to add. Some of these were even on the original list, with little info. (See 'Africa' in carfree.com). It would be useful to add more of these. I will attempt to do so with info from other wikipedia pages, but I won't be able to do them all. - Gave2haze ( talk) 12:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
This list as it is now is a mess. Most of the places listed are not car-free. Moreover, the list is almost completely unreferenced. "nearly car free" and "A limited number of vehicles intrude" are not useful definition for inclusions. In the next days I will proceed to remove all entries that are not green (car free) or are unreferenced. The list was copied from [2], so it would be still accessible in this form for those who are interested. -- Ita140188 ( talk) 21:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Old Jerusalem is not in Israel, so it can not be categorized as "Israel" in the country list. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 05:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Why does Scotland have its own section? It is a constituent part of the United Kingdom.
This proposal is copypasted from the recent AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of car-free places. Pinging participants @ Archives908: @ Ita140188: @ Garuda3: @ MrsSnoozyTurtle: @ ResonantDistortion:; if you'd like to comment on this proposal to solve the various issues we agreed need to be addressed, that would be most appreciated.
As nom I'm glad everyone acknowledged various issues I have pointed out with this list, but in turn, I also acknowledged that so far everyone thought these are fixable in some way. Perhaps WP:SPLITTING is a good alternative? Most of my objections seem to ultimately stem from the fact that too many different things are lumped together under the headings of "car-free" and "places" in ways that are inappropriate and in violation of various policies and guidelines, so unweaving them might just be the solution. I was thinking about the following:
Venice is a car-free city/zone, or
Venice is a (populated) car-free island, but rather
Venice has a pedestrian zone covering 517 ha out of 646.8 ha ( c. 80%) of its historic city centre. It may seem pedantic, but it is more accurate. This way we can avoid misleading and untrue generalisations that lead to confusion and misinformation (which scholars warn us about in literature, and which causes issues many of you agreed needed to be addressed). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 21:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
@ MrsSnoozyTurtle: Thanks for your bold cleaning up of the car-free islands and pedestrian zones lists. Merging the Location, Type and Comments columns on the islands list is actually quite spot on. (The columns remain sortable as long as the island name is mentioned first, and there is no point in making the Comments column sortable, so might as well put the comments right after the name). I'm not sure I'm happy with your changes of the description of Venice (I put some of it back), but I guess we should prioritise finding RS for it to make it easier to summarise the situation most accurately. The removal of the Type column was definitely warranted, since the split made it unnecessary. Could you agree with me on formatting the items on the lists with a new row for each field rather than putting all rows in the same field? I find it much easier to edit, because it allows you to count which field belongs to which column much more easily when you want to make changes. Old format:
|- | Netherlands || [[Arnhem]] || [details here] |-
New format:
|- | Netherlands | [[Arnhem]] | [details here] |-
I had been partially ad hoc converting the old format to the new, but you have been - perhaps unwittingly, for consistency's sake? - been reverting my (admittedly somewhat haphazard) efforts. Would you be alright with fully switching to the new format? I'd appreciate it. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 13:19, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
entirely car-free, our standards require calling a spade a spade. Cheers, and a good Boxing Day. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 12:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Nederlandse Leeuw: This large split and rewriting of the article was done within 3 days without any serious discussion and without consensus, contrary to how these processes are generally carried out here. I am personally against this split, and also I am against the way the new table is formatted here. I suggest to revert to the status quo prior to this whole mess and open a proper discussion regarding this. -- Ita140188 ( talk) 11:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
@
MrsSnoozyTurtle: One matter I was wondering about, which I hope you might be able to answer: the
Low Traffic Neighbourhood article is currently very much focused on the UK, as
Ita140188 noted by adding the
Template:Globalize tag. But how much of a thing are these, really, elsewhere in the world? I do see some minor sources about the LTNs in the US (spelt as "neighborhood" there, obviously), but outside of Britain (and Ireland) I'm not seeing much. It might be considered OR if we equate the UK LTNs with the Dutch autoluw zones and the (American?) "limited-access zones". Rather than repeating the same mistake of lumping disparate phenomena together under vague misleading headings such as "car-free places", perhaps the LTN article shouldn't be globalised, but stay regionalised? Low Traffic Neighbourhoods in the United Kingdom (and Ireland)
? It's not unreasonable to limit this by country. After all, we've already got
Pedestrian malls in the United States as a separate article, and I see no benefit in merging that one into
List of pedestrian zones; the US concept seems sufficiently different to keep things separate.
WP:TOOLONG is another reason to keep 'em separated. On the other hand, just because these things have slightly different names or spellings doesn't mean they're necessarily unique and incompatible. What do you think? Cheers, and incidentally, happy holidays!
Nederlandse Leeuw (
talk)
02:01, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Catalina island off the coast of California 72.211.224.47 ( talk) 17:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I think there should be some kind of inclusion criteria. To simply say that it's any island where people live and cars aren't allowed is very broad. There are almost certainly dozens or hundreds of such islands in the United States alone, so I think that we ought to be a bit more specific. Perhaps it would be necessary to say that islands need to have more than one residence (i.e. Just Room Enough Island would not count). On Loggerhead Key, there used to be a lighthouse there, which had residences for some lighthouse keepers; but since the only rights-of-way on the entire island are footpaths going a total distance of a few hundred feet, it seems extremely unlikely that there were ever cars on the island. But including every little island that has/had a lighthouse on it would be somewhat absurd. Thoughts? jp× g 21:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Does Venice qualify? This article is linked from the Venice article, but Venice is not listed. 151.71.111.60 ( talk) 22:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Many islands, that are in brazil deep in the amazonian might be inhabited, yet, car free. -- Kamil Hasenfeller ( talk) 11:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I add this as it is a way to verify, thought it is not a source in itself.
The article was initially car-free places. Why was it renamed in car-free islands? Most islands in the world are car-free actually...one should include so many inhabited islands, islands.
Why is there so much will to reduce the number of places mentionned here? As for the user that has removed one island in Ouagadougou which has been recently made car-free. Local press at least felt it was worth writing about it, even if it's a low-motorisation countr? Kamil_Hasenfeller ( talk) 15:27, 8 April 2023
Yelapa, Jalisco, Mexico should also be included, as it has a noteworthy population and supports tourism. It is not technically an Island surrounded by water, but it is definitely a town that matches the Island definition 2. "a thing resembling an island, especially in being isolated, detached, or surrounded in some way." It does appear that someone changed the title from Car-free places without discussion. There is very little information on Autoluw places in the world... the wiki article hasn't even been translated! Oldarney2 ( talk) 22:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Much of the debate on this page has centered on what is or is not a car-free place. Could someone please look up how the car-free movement defines such a place and add it to this and the main page? Then, we should let the wikipedians who know best decide which places conform to the definition, and debate it right here!
Some possible questions such a definition should answer: How car-free is car-free? (Are buses allowed? Is there peripheral parking?) How must they be populated/used by humans? (Certainly the north pole is free of cars, but I don't think it would be considered a car-free place because it's also civilization-free!) How big must they be? (My house is car-free, except the garage!) Must they be public? Do large indoor shopping malls count? How about farms, where tractors and other equipment drive around? You get the picture. Az7997 20:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I will give a general ad-hoc definition for the article's preface:
It is evident we should not include forests, at least those that are not close to urban centres. (There was the urban forest of east of Paris, which is passed through by busses, cars, and is cut by cars in 2 places).
There are several levels of car-free"ness".
Complete bans, partial bans, periodical bans (Paris very very centre is closed every other sunday). Some bans are in whole neighbourhoods, some are city wide.
Hi, I can't find any evidence that the mall from Odéon to Place Monge is car-free. Did you mean Odéon to Port-Royal which would mean jardin du Luxembourg + avenue de l'observatoire which is car free? I hope I am wrong and there is a car free lane from Odéon to Place Monge! REgards Phil of Bristol 14:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil of Bristol ( talk • contribs)
In spite of it I have been there, and it is.
-- 2A01:E34:EC12:36C0:95B7:DCA0:134B:8DE7 ( talk) 15:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
Not all the entries currently meet the criteria listed at the top of the page. Please delete entries which are too common to be listed, and add new ones. -- Erauch 05:02, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Help is available on editing a page.
If you have a web link for the place, add it like this: |[http://www.hahnenklee.de/deutsch/willkommen.htm Hahnenklee-Bockswiese] || Entire town || 2,500 || Town in the Harz mountain area
If the place stands out, its name should have a beige background: add |bgcolor="#dddd88" at the beginning of the line:
|bgcolor="#dddd88"|[[Freiburg]] im Breisgau || Large carfree center || City 200,000; Carfree areas perhaps 10,000? || Medieval university town; a very small amount of car traffic is permitted on some streets; trams provide access
In the few cases where the place is almost completely carfree (green background), add |bgcolor="#88dd88":
|bgcolor="#88dd88"|[[Zermatt]] || Entire town || Probably 20,000 or so || Carfree Alpine resort with prototype "Utility Area" at the entrance; slow electric taxis and freight vehicles used, although these are sometimes driven at higher speeds -- Erauch 17:15, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I think Freiburg's role as a car-free town is a little bit exaggerated. I live in Freiburg, even in the mentioned Vauban area.
Even in the Vauban area there are cars. Lots of cars, actually. Inside Vauban, there is only one section (called "Genova" [1]) which is actually car-free. This section consists of 73 apartments. That's it.
The rest of the houses is directly reachable by cars. Of course there is reduced traffic, but this is nothing special for German residential areas.
Best regards, -- zeno 23:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Should we spell it as car-free? Some people, like me, misread carfree as “Carefree”.
First, I deleted Peachtree Center in Atlanta, simply because it doesn't meet the criteria in any way, shape or form (nobody lives there, car intrusion still exists, etc). Additionally, its entry seemed biased, as though a tourism ad.
My main question is this: shouldn't Manhattan, or at least NYC at large, be listed? I always hear that 2 million residents live in the urban area without cars. Even though car intrusion exists in New York, the city certainly fosters a car-free lifestyle for many people. It seems the U.S. standard is only that it is an exceptional example of car-independent life, since we do not have truly car-free cities. Surely New York is exceptional in the United States for its centralized-design and subway system. I don't know; I don't use wikipedia that much. What do you think?
71.56.70.127 15:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Nope. Car-free doesn't mean convenient to live without a car and inconvenient to live with one. It means no cars.
Then why are any of these entries in any way car-free? Other than a few exceptional European ones, or developer schemes (which usually still have cars)?
[Posted on 2006.12.9] -- I think this is an interesting point that illuminates the fact that most of these places (in the US section, at least) have little if nothing to do with the car free movement, which is a movement dedicated to reducing dependence on cars. They are, for the most part, tiny shopping malls that are almost exclusively accessed by automobile. Whereas Manhattan, a large island inhabited by 1.6 million people and built in a way that enables 80% of them to live without even owning a car, is not included.
IIRC, the Sahara area of Rio de Janeiro has several narrow pedestrian streets with small stores. And there are a few other carfree streets in the old centro. Does anyone know the street names to add Rio to the list? 71.146.35.69 15:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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It is very hard to compile an accurate list of car-free/ car restricted areas, and even harder to find out the area size, number of buildings, people living in that area etc. To my knowledge Cities who have car-free areas do not give statistics in their own tourist information internet site. Being originally born in France and going there often, I noticed that the list of car-free areas in France is very limited (delivery vehicles, cars of people living in a car-free area are allowed limited access usually before/after business hours). in fact there isn't a town, big or small in France--or in the rest of Europe-- that doesn't have a pedestrian area, often a sizeable one. for example: Toulouse, Clermont Ferrand, Beziers, Montpellier, Carcassonne, Marseille, Lille, Rennes, Rouen, Perigueux, Biarritz, Bayonne, Nice, and so on. in Germany Berlin and Frankfurt aren't listed yet they have several streets and squares. The Hague in the Netherlands should also be included. There are also car-free areas in every Eastern European countries, in Japan etc. In London there is also the Soho / Covent Garden area etc. etc. I think it would be fair to say that, compared to North America, there is an astonishing number of towns around the world that have from a couple of streets to sizeable districts that are car-free or where only local cars are allowed, with restrictions. It would be easier to compile a list of towns that don't have car-free/ car restricted areas!.
It seems hard to believe that there are no car-free places in all of Australasia. Yeesh. I know Melbourne had a few - Swanston St and the Bourke St Mall - although I haven't lived there for 4 years, and things change. Maw 22:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Inserted by Rauterkus 18:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC) Touch up is welcomed.
"Kids can play in most streets"?
I lived in Santa Barbara, CA for 7 years and I can report that Isla Vista (the college town area next to UCSB) does not have a single car-free street. In fact the overwhelming impression you get walking down the street is that the driveways are literally bursting with cars, every inch of curb space is taken and most streets have no sidewalks. However given the laidback nature of Isla Vista it is perfectly acceptable to walk at a leisurely pace in the middle of the street.
Madison, WI has a nice street called State St which is car-free for six blocks - only buses and bicyclists allowed.
Some photographs perhaps please?
Please add Istiklal Avenue in Istanbul to the list . Thank you .
Can someone who understands how ro do it please clean up the faulty formatting which has ledt one place orphaned at the end of the Asia section? Thanks. Rodparkes 09:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Small area in the city center, ........ probably 6 to 10 streets .......... Unknown, probably a few thousand Probably some delivery trucks permitted during limited hours....... etc.
Most of this article is pretty inaccurate, I'm sure that doesn't meet the guidelines. If you don't know ... N/A... or leave blank? But no guessing. This is an encyclopaedia after all :)
Good idea though.
81.105.23.0 ( talk) 18:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I've been to Polperro in Cornwall, and we had to park our car in a car park just outside the main village, and could only access it by horse and cart or electric tram. As far as I can see, this would count as a "car-free" place (and the wikipedia page for Polperro seems to back me up), although I would like someone else's opinion on this. 82.19.71.120 ( talk) 17:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I can find no evidence that Ouagadougou is any more car-free than any other cities in the region, furthermore referring to the city's inhabitants as 'villagers' and assuming they are too poor to afford cars sounds unnecessarily patronizing for a Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.147.176 ( talk) 13:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
How so? It's the capital city of the country. There are many cars. And there were, hence a ban happened. Not everyone has a car, but there are still thousands of thousands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamil Hasenfeller ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
This category under Europe needs some work doing, when someone has some time.
Ideally each country within this category would be listed separately, in alphabetical order under "Europe"; it would be a step forward if the countries therein were even in within the Baltic or Balkans territories. Neither the Czeck Republic nor Romania qualify. Also, Serbia is already listed separately, so it's a bit of a tussle to decide whether to take out Belgrade and put it under Serbia or whether to put the whole of Serbia into the "Baltic and Balkans" category, which would seem to be a retrograde step but might be expected by readers to appear there.
Rainlightly ( talk) 18:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Since the chart includes the park island in Wisconsin (accessible by ferry but no vehicles allowed), I can think of several similar islands that would qualify, including Matagorda Island in Texas and Horn Island in Mississippi. I would add them myself if I had the patience to figure out these tables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.69.204.131 ( talk) 22:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi! Koh Tral (Phu Quoc) is a Vietnamese Island - i know about the history and the related dispute - still it lies inside Vietnamese territory, has been for quite some time and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Anyhow, the great majority of Cambodia's Islands doesn't have any roads and is car-free. Exceptions: Koh Sdach (1 road), Koh Puah (Snake island) and Koh Ta Kiev. The Islands of Koh Kong's mangrove marshes do have dirt tracks frequented by all sorts of vehicles.
All the best!!! Wikirictor ( talk) 10:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I see travel guides suggesting taxi and car travel around Phu Quoc. Is it still car-free? -- 103.47.246.111 ( talk) 13:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
The following islands are mentioned as car-free:
http://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/archive/index.jsp?pgmid=22384 http://www.touropia.com/laid-back-islands-without-cars/ Some are probably not yet mentioned. What hasn't been described neither are Car-free countries. I'm assuming these also exist as some small island states (ie in the Pacific) probably don't have cars neither, and are countries on their own (I'm thinking of Niue, ...) KVDP ( talk) 13:20, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
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Most of places listed have only a few pedestrian streets in the entire city. In most of these places you can not even avoid seeing cars while being in the "carfree" area. What is the limit to consider a place car-free? Unless this is well defined, this list does not make sense and does not belong in Wikipedia. Also this article is almost completely unreferenced. -- Ita140188 ( talk) 12:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Having visited Essaouira I was able to add it with substantial information, however there are many similar walled medinas in other cities which have not been added and which I do not know enough about myself to add. Some of these were even on the original list, with little info. (See 'Africa' in carfree.com). It would be useful to add more of these. I will attempt to do so with info from other wikipedia pages, but I won't be able to do them all. - Gave2haze ( talk) 12:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
This list as it is now is a mess. Most of the places listed are not car-free. Moreover, the list is almost completely unreferenced. "nearly car free" and "A limited number of vehicles intrude" are not useful definition for inclusions. In the next days I will proceed to remove all entries that are not green (car free) or are unreferenced. The list was copied from [2], so it would be still accessible in this form for those who are interested. -- Ita140188 ( talk) 21:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Old Jerusalem is not in Israel, so it can not be categorized as "Israel" in the country list. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 05:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Why does Scotland have its own section? It is a constituent part of the United Kingdom.
This proposal is copypasted from the recent AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of car-free places. Pinging participants @ Archives908: @ Ita140188: @ Garuda3: @ MrsSnoozyTurtle: @ ResonantDistortion:; if you'd like to comment on this proposal to solve the various issues we agreed need to be addressed, that would be most appreciated.
As nom I'm glad everyone acknowledged various issues I have pointed out with this list, but in turn, I also acknowledged that so far everyone thought these are fixable in some way. Perhaps WP:SPLITTING is a good alternative? Most of my objections seem to ultimately stem from the fact that too many different things are lumped together under the headings of "car-free" and "places" in ways that are inappropriate and in violation of various policies and guidelines, so unweaving them might just be the solution. I was thinking about the following:
Venice is a car-free city/zone, or
Venice is a (populated) car-free island, but rather
Venice has a pedestrian zone covering 517 ha out of 646.8 ha ( c. 80%) of its historic city centre. It may seem pedantic, but it is more accurate. This way we can avoid misleading and untrue generalisations that lead to confusion and misinformation (which scholars warn us about in literature, and which causes issues many of you agreed needed to be addressed). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 21:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
@ MrsSnoozyTurtle: Thanks for your bold cleaning up of the car-free islands and pedestrian zones lists. Merging the Location, Type and Comments columns on the islands list is actually quite spot on. (The columns remain sortable as long as the island name is mentioned first, and there is no point in making the Comments column sortable, so might as well put the comments right after the name). I'm not sure I'm happy with your changes of the description of Venice (I put some of it back), but I guess we should prioritise finding RS for it to make it easier to summarise the situation most accurately. The removal of the Type column was definitely warranted, since the split made it unnecessary. Could you agree with me on formatting the items on the lists with a new row for each field rather than putting all rows in the same field? I find it much easier to edit, because it allows you to count which field belongs to which column much more easily when you want to make changes. Old format:
|- | Netherlands || [[Arnhem]] || [details here] |-
New format:
|- | Netherlands | [[Arnhem]] | [details here] |-
I had been partially ad hoc converting the old format to the new, but you have been - perhaps unwittingly, for consistency's sake? - been reverting my (admittedly somewhat haphazard) efforts. Would you be alright with fully switching to the new format? I'd appreciate it. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 13:19, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
entirely car-free, our standards require calling a spade a spade. Cheers, and a good Boxing Day. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 12:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Nederlandse Leeuw: This large split and rewriting of the article was done within 3 days without any serious discussion and without consensus, contrary to how these processes are generally carried out here. I am personally against this split, and also I am against the way the new table is formatted here. I suggest to revert to the status quo prior to this whole mess and open a proper discussion regarding this. -- Ita140188 ( talk) 11:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
@
MrsSnoozyTurtle: One matter I was wondering about, which I hope you might be able to answer: the
Low Traffic Neighbourhood article is currently very much focused on the UK, as
Ita140188 noted by adding the
Template:Globalize tag. But how much of a thing are these, really, elsewhere in the world? I do see some minor sources about the LTNs in the US (spelt as "neighborhood" there, obviously), but outside of Britain (and Ireland) I'm not seeing much. It might be considered OR if we equate the UK LTNs with the Dutch autoluw zones and the (American?) "limited-access zones". Rather than repeating the same mistake of lumping disparate phenomena together under vague misleading headings such as "car-free places", perhaps the LTN article shouldn't be globalised, but stay regionalised? Low Traffic Neighbourhoods in the United Kingdom (and Ireland)
? It's not unreasonable to limit this by country. After all, we've already got
Pedestrian malls in the United States as a separate article, and I see no benefit in merging that one into
List of pedestrian zones; the US concept seems sufficiently different to keep things separate.
WP:TOOLONG is another reason to keep 'em separated. On the other hand, just because these things have slightly different names or spellings doesn't mean they're necessarily unique and incompatible. What do you think? Cheers, and incidentally, happy holidays!
Nederlandse Leeuw (
talk)
02:01, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Catalina island off the coast of California 72.211.224.47 ( talk) 17:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I think there should be some kind of inclusion criteria. To simply say that it's any island where people live and cars aren't allowed is very broad. There are almost certainly dozens or hundreds of such islands in the United States alone, so I think that we ought to be a bit more specific. Perhaps it would be necessary to say that islands need to have more than one residence (i.e. Just Room Enough Island would not count). On Loggerhead Key, there used to be a lighthouse there, which had residences for some lighthouse keepers; but since the only rights-of-way on the entire island are footpaths going a total distance of a few hundred feet, it seems extremely unlikely that there were ever cars on the island. But including every little island that has/had a lighthouse on it would be somewhat absurd. Thoughts? jp× g 21:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Does Venice qualify? This article is linked from the Venice article, but Venice is not listed. 151.71.111.60 ( talk) 22:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)