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This article (and the 2004 version) are very informative. There's no disputes over who belongs & who doesn't; neat. GoodDay ( talk) 21:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Please provide sources when you add ballot status listings to the article. I realize it can be problematic, given the article's layout, to add reference tags in the main text. However, you can cite the source in the edit summary (as some editors already do). This is of particular concern because, as I write this, Ralph Nader is listed in the article as being on 29 states. Yet, Ballot Access News, which is supposedly the primary source for this information, only lists him as being on 16 states. What are the sources for the other 13 states?-- JayJasper ( talk) 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Can candidates who don't have a numeric possibility of winning (as listed in the ballot access table) make up for their deficiency by running as independents in other states, and thereby still theoretically win? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.214.138 ( talk) 09:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Bob Barr is listed as being on the ballot in 48 states (inc. DC) counting write-ins, but there are 4 blank spaces, meaning the chart only covers 47 of the 48. Is there a state missing that he is on the ballot of or is 47 the correct number? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.84.210 ( talk) 12:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe there is an error in the list for Pennsylvania. There is no Libertarian party candidate in that state. Since the deadline for candidates passed on August 1st the Pennsylvania board of elections has released a list of all candidates for office but there are only three names on the list for President: Obama, McCain, and Nader. Here is a link: http://www.dos.state.pa.us/bcel/lib/bcel/elections/petition_filers.pdf Poplinre ( talk) 23:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
The article says that the Democratic and Republican parties are on the ballot in all 50 states and D.C., but this says they're not on the ballot in Texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.214.138 ( talk) 21:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Do we really want to list all the party labels candidates are running under in different states? In addition to those already in the table, Nader running under the Populist label in New York and the Natural Law Party in Michigan, while Brian Moore is on the ballot in Mississippi through the Natural Law Party and in Vermont through the Liberty Union Party. And those are just off the top of my head. Listing all of that could get unwieldy -- is it really necessary? - David Schaich Talk/ Cont 02:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Some of the ballot line numbers in this category seem to be inaccurate. For example, I could find no evidence of the Boston Tea Party being listed on the ballot in Texas (as opposed to having filed for write-in status). The figures for the Prohibition, Reform, Socialist and Socialist Workers parties also do not match Ballot Access New's data: http://www.ballot-access.org/ballot-chart.html I think adding the write-in status was a good idea though. Cmrdm ( talk) 23:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I would be inclined to move Lyttle and the Pacifist Party to the final list, and reserve the second chart for candidates that are on the ballot in multiple states (at least). Thoughts? - David Schaich Talk/ Cont 02:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Ugh Amongst the four third-party candidates who can win (Baldwin, Barr, McKinney, and Nader), I initially tried to have some logical scheme for arranging their names, but it quickly fell apart. Alphabetical order? Alphabetical order by party? In order of descending ballot access? (Including or excluding write-in access?)In order of descending potential electoral votes? (Including or excluding write-in access?) Eventually, I gave up and just made it how it is. For the other third-party candidates, I arranged them in alphabetical order by last name (with Calero, not Harris for the SWP.) If someone wants to change it, I suppose I won't object, but any collation scheme is entirely arbitrary and it's not clear to me which one is preferable. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 01:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Can I just say whoever changed this the improvement is amazing! 98.27.144.126 ( talk) 21:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I see that the SP's write-in status the minor parties chart has been updated to match the sidebar at http://www.votesocialist2008.org. I exchanged some emails with the SP ballot access coordinator about that sidebar's recent expansion. It seems that several of the states listed there have no filing (or other qualification) process for "official write-in status". Alabama, Delaware, New Hampshire and Rhode Island are legally required to count all presidential write-in votes ("although usually don't"), while Oregon and Wyoming have the candidates file after the election if they win (Oregon) or meet some unspecified threshold (Wyoming). Pennsylvania doesn't have any filing process either, though there it looks like the decision to count write-in votes is made county-by-county, apparently depending on how often and aggressively the campaigns themselves contact the county administrations.
So that kind of raises a question of what we mean by (write-in) in the charts, since all campaigns seem to be qualified by default in those seven states. We can either list them all that way, or only list the ones that actually seem to be running write-in campaigns in those states. The fact that the Socialists' campaign site lists those states suggests they are running write-in campaigns of a sort in all of them, though I don't know if they have anyone actually "on the ground" in Wyoming. - David Schaich Talk/ Cont 01:26, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is Paul not on the write in list he was a certified write in in California and I believe some other states as well? BenW ( talk) 15:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
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This article (and the 2004 version) are very informative. There's no disputes over who belongs & who doesn't; neat. GoodDay ( talk) 21:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Please provide sources when you add ballot status listings to the article. I realize it can be problematic, given the article's layout, to add reference tags in the main text. However, you can cite the source in the edit summary (as some editors already do). This is of particular concern because, as I write this, Ralph Nader is listed in the article as being on 29 states. Yet, Ballot Access News, which is supposedly the primary source for this information, only lists him as being on 16 states. What are the sources for the other 13 states?-- JayJasper ( talk) 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Can candidates who don't have a numeric possibility of winning (as listed in the ballot access table) make up for their deficiency by running as independents in other states, and thereby still theoretically win? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.214.138 ( talk) 09:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Bob Barr is listed as being on the ballot in 48 states (inc. DC) counting write-ins, but there are 4 blank spaces, meaning the chart only covers 47 of the 48. Is there a state missing that he is on the ballot of or is 47 the correct number? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.84.210 ( talk) 12:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe there is an error in the list for Pennsylvania. There is no Libertarian party candidate in that state. Since the deadline for candidates passed on August 1st the Pennsylvania board of elections has released a list of all candidates for office but there are only three names on the list for President: Obama, McCain, and Nader. Here is a link: http://www.dos.state.pa.us/bcel/lib/bcel/elections/petition_filers.pdf Poplinre ( talk) 23:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
The article says that the Democratic and Republican parties are on the ballot in all 50 states and D.C., but this says they're not on the ballot in Texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.214.138 ( talk) 21:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Do we really want to list all the party labels candidates are running under in different states? In addition to those already in the table, Nader running under the Populist label in New York and the Natural Law Party in Michigan, while Brian Moore is on the ballot in Mississippi through the Natural Law Party and in Vermont through the Liberty Union Party. And those are just off the top of my head. Listing all of that could get unwieldy -- is it really necessary? - David Schaich Talk/ Cont 02:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Some of the ballot line numbers in this category seem to be inaccurate. For example, I could find no evidence of the Boston Tea Party being listed on the ballot in Texas (as opposed to having filed for write-in status). The figures for the Prohibition, Reform, Socialist and Socialist Workers parties also do not match Ballot Access New's data: http://www.ballot-access.org/ballot-chart.html I think adding the write-in status was a good idea though. Cmrdm ( talk) 23:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I would be inclined to move Lyttle and the Pacifist Party to the final list, and reserve the second chart for candidates that are on the ballot in multiple states (at least). Thoughts? - David Schaich Talk/ Cont 02:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Ugh Amongst the four third-party candidates who can win (Baldwin, Barr, McKinney, and Nader), I initially tried to have some logical scheme for arranging their names, but it quickly fell apart. Alphabetical order? Alphabetical order by party? In order of descending ballot access? (Including or excluding write-in access?)In order of descending potential electoral votes? (Including or excluding write-in access?) Eventually, I gave up and just made it how it is. For the other third-party candidates, I arranged them in alphabetical order by last name (with Calero, not Harris for the SWP.) If someone wants to change it, I suppose I won't object, but any collation scheme is entirely arbitrary and it's not clear to me which one is preferable. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 01:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Can I just say whoever changed this the improvement is amazing! 98.27.144.126 ( talk) 21:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I see that the SP's write-in status the minor parties chart has been updated to match the sidebar at http://www.votesocialist2008.org. I exchanged some emails with the SP ballot access coordinator about that sidebar's recent expansion. It seems that several of the states listed there have no filing (or other qualification) process for "official write-in status". Alabama, Delaware, New Hampshire and Rhode Island are legally required to count all presidential write-in votes ("although usually don't"), while Oregon and Wyoming have the candidates file after the election if they win (Oregon) or meet some unspecified threshold (Wyoming). Pennsylvania doesn't have any filing process either, though there it looks like the decision to count write-in votes is made county-by-county, apparently depending on how often and aggressively the campaigns themselves contact the county administrations.
So that kind of raises a question of what we mean by (write-in) in the charts, since all campaigns seem to be qualified by default in those seven states. We can either list them all that way, or only list the ones that actually seem to be running write-in campaigns in those states. The fact that the Socialists' campaign site lists those states suggests they are running write-in campaigns of a sort in all of them, though I don't know if they have anyone actually "on the ground" in Wyoming. - David Schaich Talk/ Cont 01:26, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is Paul not on the write in list he was a certified write in in California and I believe some other states as well? BenW ( talk) 15:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
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