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The article read, "The Buddha's body was cremated and the relics were placed in monuments or stupas against his dying wishes". Now, the rôle of stupas in Indian Buddhism is complicated, so there may well be something I'm not aware of, but I am not aware of evidence that this was "against his dying wishes", so I have removed that phrase as unsourced. Please correct me if I'm wrong.— Nat Krause( Talk!· What have I done?) 01:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
He actually says that no relics should be made of his body in his death sermon. I will source and reinsert. Lotsa Buddhist sects blatantly ignore the instructions in his death sermon, especially the parts about relics being forbidden and the disallowing of secret teachings. Sukiari ( talk) 06:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe this article should be deleted and the information moved to the appropriate pages.-- Editor2020 ( talk) 20:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
And the english should be corrected. Somebody who didn't know what they were doing added a few words here and there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.189.226 ( talk) 03:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the salawāt (e.g. S.A.W.S) in this section to meet the standards practiced in the Muhammad article, where I am sure the discussion has been brought up and resolved to not include PBUH or SAWS, despite recognition of the practice by Muslims. 72.75.10.251 ( talk) 19:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the assessment for WP:Death. This page is not a List, it's an article, and at the moment it's a fairly poor one at that. There is an abysmal lack of references, coverage, and accuracy. For a few examples:
Because this article has many photos and not much text (unsurprisingly), the layout is a bit of a mess. One solution would be to gather the photos together in a captioned gallery. The downside is that the text and relevant photo would be a little more separated, but I think it would improve the page on balance. Any views/objections? DeCausa ( talk) 11:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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it was a long time ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.94.34 ( talk) 00:10, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Noticed that someone has added Joseph Smith as the founder of the Mormons under "Christianity"... I will delete this para and suggest that as most major religions have their various sects we maintain this top-level style. If we included every variant of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism etc then this article would quickly become unwieldy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.212.40 ( talk) 22:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd never heard of "Ghost dance" - I certainly don't think a new age movement qualifies as a "world religion". Should be removed I think. Gymnophoria ( talk) 15:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Editor2020,
I reverted you for 2 reasons. The first is that you are pushing fringe theories WP:FRINGE based on references from unreliable sources WP:RS (despite even those sources clearly stating the theory was exposed as fraud / hoax) without clearly stating that it's a hoax. Secondly, you are citing content on Wikipedia as a reference WP:Circular.
The bit about Jesus Christ becoming a garlic farmer in Japan is a proven hoax which even the reference used agrees with (in between marketing selling points). The grave of Jesus was created in 1935 to enrich a powerful local family and generate tourist revenue by claiming they found documents that Jesus wrote during his stint as an onion farmer (documents proven as fake).
Professor Kawamorita, a mainstream Japanese academic, wrote in "Research on the Hebrew Song Words in Japan", about the birth of this hoax:
Please create a new page if you wish to list fictional burial places of founders of world religions created through clever marketing to improve tourism revenues. Cheers! Meishern ( talk) 09:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Recent edits of the section on Judaism brought to my notice that the language used mentioning a grave for Moses is written in a way that has us state that there is an actual burial place. We should only use such language when there is no dispute as to the historical reality of the character. Doug Weller talk 05:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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I am not finding anything about Sri Aurobindo in the article. I imagine he must have died in Auroville (an enclosure within Pondicherry), but am not sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.189.172 ( talk) 22:00, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Its insulting to assume Hindus, Buddhist, Jains and Sikh's were buried. Applying this Abrahmic convention to all religion, specially to the Indian-origin "dhrama/dharmic" is POV and derogatory. Imagine the horror of followers of islam or christianity if the article title is changed to "cremation grounds of the founders of religions", you could be killed for it, literally. Luckily Hindus and Buddhists do not go around killing people for such mistakes. Just change the article name to a religion-neutral term such as by replacing "burial" with the "final resting place" or some such terms. 202.156.182.84 ( talk) 18:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
The result was keep. J04n( talk page) 11:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
This page is here since 2006. There are lot of problems with the article. There is a lack of references in the article. The article subject is unclear and confusing. First, what is World religion and what should be covered? Subsects and branches are unclear. Should they covered or not? The article lists Christian Science separately! Are Ahmadiyya Muslim? Article lists them separately. While Hinduism only lists Krishna. Is Krishna founder of Hinduism? The founders are all these religions or religious groups are not clear either. Some of them are mythical while some of them are historical and some can not be clearly identified such as in case of Hinduism. The article assumes that all such founders are buried and thus they must have "Burial place". It is not true. Several religious traditions do not bury dead. For example Buddhism. The final resting places are also controversial in many cases and historians do not agree about them. The subject itself is not narrow enough and clear. The information in the article is very poor with little hope of improvement. The article has been here since 2006 with not much improvement either. There are lot of issues and questions posted on its talkpage over the years. Nizil ( talk) 12:03, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
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The article read, "The Buddha's body was cremated and the relics were placed in monuments or stupas against his dying wishes". Now, the rôle of stupas in Indian Buddhism is complicated, so there may well be something I'm not aware of, but I am not aware of evidence that this was "against his dying wishes", so I have removed that phrase as unsourced. Please correct me if I'm wrong.— Nat Krause( Talk!· What have I done?) 01:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
He actually says that no relics should be made of his body in his death sermon. I will source and reinsert. Lotsa Buddhist sects blatantly ignore the instructions in his death sermon, especially the parts about relics being forbidden and the disallowing of secret teachings. Sukiari ( talk) 06:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe this article should be deleted and the information moved to the appropriate pages.-- Editor2020 ( talk) 20:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
And the english should be corrected. Somebody who didn't know what they were doing added a few words here and there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.189.226 ( talk) 03:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the salawāt (e.g. S.A.W.S) in this section to meet the standards practiced in the Muhammad article, where I am sure the discussion has been brought up and resolved to not include PBUH or SAWS, despite recognition of the practice by Muslims. 72.75.10.251 ( talk) 19:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the assessment for WP:Death. This page is not a List, it's an article, and at the moment it's a fairly poor one at that. There is an abysmal lack of references, coverage, and accuracy. For a few examples:
Because this article has many photos and not much text (unsurprisingly), the layout is a bit of a mess. One solution would be to gather the photos together in a captioned gallery. The downside is that the text and relevant photo would be a little more separated, but I think it would improve the page on balance. Any views/objections? DeCausa ( talk) 11:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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it was a long time ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.94.34 ( talk) 00:10, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Noticed that someone has added Joseph Smith as the founder of the Mormons under "Christianity"... I will delete this para and suggest that as most major religions have their various sects we maintain this top-level style. If we included every variant of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism etc then this article would quickly become unwieldy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.212.40 ( talk) 22:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd never heard of "Ghost dance" - I certainly don't think a new age movement qualifies as a "world religion". Should be removed I think. Gymnophoria ( talk) 15:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Editor2020,
I reverted you for 2 reasons. The first is that you are pushing fringe theories WP:FRINGE based on references from unreliable sources WP:RS (despite even those sources clearly stating the theory was exposed as fraud / hoax) without clearly stating that it's a hoax. Secondly, you are citing content on Wikipedia as a reference WP:Circular.
The bit about Jesus Christ becoming a garlic farmer in Japan is a proven hoax which even the reference used agrees with (in between marketing selling points). The grave of Jesus was created in 1935 to enrich a powerful local family and generate tourist revenue by claiming they found documents that Jesus wrote during his stint as an onion farmer (documents proven as fake).
Professor Kawamorita, a mainstream Japanese academic, wrote in "Research on the Hebrew Song Words in Japan", about the birth of this hoax:
Please create a new page if you wish to list fictional burial places of founders of world religions created through clever marketing to improve tourism revenues. Cheers! Meishern ( talk) 09:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Recent edits of the section on Judaism brought to my notice that the language used mentioning a grave for Moses is written in a way that has us state that there is an actual burial place. We should only use such language when there is no dispute as to the historical reality of the character. Doug Weller talk 05:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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I am not finding anything about Sri Aurobindo in the article. I imagine he must have died in Auroville (an enclosure within Pondicherry), but am not sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.189.172 ( talk) 22:00, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Its insulting to assume Hindus, Buddhist, Jains and Sikh's were buried. Applying this Abrahmic convention to all religion, specially to the Indian-origin "dhrama/dharmic" is POV and derogatory. Imagine the horror of followers of islam or christianity if the article title is changed to "cremation grounds of the founders of religions", you could be killed for it, literally. Luckily Hindus and Buddhists do not go around killing people for such mistakes. Just change the article name to a religion-neutral term such as by replacing "burial" with the "final resting place" or some such terms. 202.156.182.84 ( talk) 18:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
The result was keep. J04n( talk page) 11:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
This page is here since 2006. There are lot of problems with the article. There is a lack of references in the article. The article subject is unclear and confusing. First, what is World religion and what should be covered? Subsects and branches are unclear. Should they covered or not? The article lists Christian Science separately! Are Ahmadiyya Muslim? Article lists them separately. While Hinduism only lists Krishna. Is Krishna founder of Hinduism? The founders are all these religions or religious groups are not clear either. Some of them are mythical while some of them are historical and some can not be clearly identified such as in case of Hinduism. The article assumes that all such founders are buried and thus they must have "Burial place". It is not true. Several religious traditions do not bury dead. For example Buddhism. The final resting places are also controversial in many cases and historians do not agree about them. The subject itself is not narrow enough and clear. The information in the article is very poor with little hope of improvement. The article has been here since 2006 with not much improvement either. There are lot of issues and questions posted on its talkpage over the years. Nizil ( talk) 12:03, 21 March 2018 (UTC)