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The list of black fashion models includes former top model/cover girl Gillis McGill, who is in fact caucasian. I believe the error arises from the fact that when McGill established her own model agency she was among the first to employ African-American models on her books. ( Peterslove ( talk) 22:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC))
I included Liya in the list because of her proven international success and the fact that she is Ethiopian but it got reversed by another editor along with four other models. I tried asking about the deletion but have not gotten a reply. Is there a reason she should not be on this list? 208.54.86.199 ( talk) 18:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Iman is also missing from the list. Both she and above-mentioned Liya Kebede are black models. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I consider them as black. 85.217.36.223 ( talk) 21:52, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/jun/29/iman-i-am-the-face-of-a-refugee
. Also Iman said that she is black “Probably, I’m more black than any black person in America. I mean I don’t have any white in me. I’m pure Somali,” Iman explained. “So to me, I took offense to that. I don’t look like a white woman. I look Somali.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iman-racism-fashion-industry_us_55f02b31e4b002d5c0775000
Here is a third reliable source that says Iman is black.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2674003/I-like-working-Whats-option-sitting-home-eating-bonbons-Iman-black-supermodel-wife-David-Bowie-Somalian-roots.html
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06:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC)Your video was cut before she completed the explanation of being black. Here is the full video where she says that she is black [4]. In this video she says she is black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guled2016 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
In this this video Iman is talking about herself and her being black [8]. She is saying that she is black. We can not deny her blackness because she says that she is black in this video. Guled2016 ( talk) 07:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed, somalis are not Arabs but they are of Hamitic ancestral origin based on the sources you showed me. Thanks Guled2016 ( talk) 23:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Read the information about them. You don't have to yet have your own Wikipedia article to be on a list you obviously belong on. Dream Focus 10:34, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
There was no valid reason for the deletions of certain people, most of which had their own Wikipedia articles already with ample information about them. I have restored these. [11] Dream Focus 10:39, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
The title of the article of course uses the word "black" to mean a race, not the actual color black. Black people says "The term black people is an everyday English-language phrase, often used in North America to refer to Americans and Canadians of Sub-Saharan African descent." I think that sums it clearly enough. Dream Focus 18:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the models from the Horn region since they come from societies where the peoples in general do not regard themselves as belonging to the same "race" as the folks included in this list [12] (though they likely will acknowledge having dark skin, which is a separate matter). More importantly, they are indeed of different ancestral/genetic background (e.g. [13], [14]). That includes Iman, who has explicitly indicated that she has "never considered herself a black woman" in the way that is presumably implied here [15]. Their inclusion was thus inappropriate. Middayexpress ( talk) 17:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
The vid-link above is dead. Here is the live url [16], and a clearer indication of the generic dark skin tone rather than ancestry [17]. Soupforone ( talk) 15:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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The list of black fashion models includes former top model/cover girl Gillis McGill, who is in fact caucasian. I believe the error arises from the fact that when McGill established her own model agency she was among the first to employ African-American models on her books. ( Peterslove ( talk) 22:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC))
I included Liya in the list because of her proven international success and the fact that she is Ethiopian but it got reversed by another editor along with four other models. I tried asking about the deletion but have not gotten a reply. Is there a reason she should not be on this list? 208.54.86.199 ( talk) 18:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Iman is also missing from the list. Both she and above-mentioned Liya Kebede are black models. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I consider them as black. 85.217.36.223 ( talk) 21:52, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/jun/29/iman-i-am-the-face-of-a-refugee
. Also Iman said that she is black “Probably, I’m more black than any black person in America. I mean I don’t have any white in me. I’m pure Somali,” Iman explained. “So to me, I took offense to that. I don’t look like a white woman. I look Somali.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iman-racism-fashion-industry_us_55f02b31e4b002d5c0775000
Here is a third reliable source that says Iman is black.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2674003/I-like-working-Whats-option-sitting-home-eating-bonbons-Iman-black-supermodel-wife-David-Bowie-Somalian-roots.html
Guled2016 (
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06:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC)Your video was cut before she completed the explanation of being black. Here is the full video where she says that she is black [4]. In this video she says she is black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guled2016 ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
In this this video Iman is talking about herself and her being black [8]. She is saying that she is black. We can not deny her blackness because she says that she is black in this video. Guled2016 ( talk) 07:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed, somalis are not Arabs but they are of Hamitic ancestral origin based on the sources you showed me. Thanks Guled2016 ( talk) 23:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Read the information about them. You don't have to yet have your own Wikipedia article to be on a list you obviously belong on. Dream Focus 10:34, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
There was no valid reason for the deletions of certain people, most of which had their own Wikipedia articles already with ample information about them. I have restored these. [11] Dream Focus 10:39, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
The title of the article of course uses the word "black" to mean a race, not the actual color black. Black people says "The term black people is an everyday English-language phrase, often used in North America to refer to Americans and Canadians of Sub-Saharan African descent." I think that sums it clearly enough. Dream Focus 18:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the models from the Horn region since they come from societies where the peoples in general do not regard themselves as belonging to the same "race" as the folks included in this list [12] (though they likely will acknowledge having dark skin, which is a separate matter). More importantly, they are indeed of different ancestral/genetic background (e.g. [13], [14]). That includes Iman, who has explicitly indicated that she has "never considered herself a black woman" in the way that is presumably implied here [15]. Their inclusion was thus inappropriate. Middayexpress ( talk) 17:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
The vid-link above is dead. Here is the live url [16], and a clearer indication of the generic dark skin tone rather than ancestry [17]. Soupforone ( talk) 15:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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