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There also seems to be a Platinum-award (200,000 units) for Ballad Collection by Madonna, posted in January 1996. But I cannot verify the certification you've posted for the single "La Isla Bonita" in December 1995 . The following "ラ・イス弓・ボニータノマドシナ(WJ)" translates into something else by Google. Is that the one? I have yet to get to the rest you've posted as I've gone through only the years 1994, 1995, 1996. I will most likely add all of the certifications when I'm though with all of the years. I should be done sometime in the next week. -- Harout72 ( talk) 16:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
You have 5x Platinum for "I Will Always Love You" certified in June 1993? The database for The Record starts from 1994. Where can I find it?-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
The Color of My Love appears as Love Stories (Special Edition) in March 1996. I take it that in Japan it was released under a different title?-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Should we not assume that the Gold posted in February 1995 for The Best of Eagles is the same album as the Platinum posted in July 1997 for The Very Best of the Eagles released in July 11, 1994?-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm also seeing 2x Platinum for a compilation album "Best of Billy Joel" posted in May 1995.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Regarding Nine Lives, are you sure they haven't mistakenly posted the same certification twice once in May 1997, and again in June 1997? Because they both happen to have the same release date and they both have been released on the same record company.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Any of Julio Iglesias' efforts have NOT received RIAJ certification. The artist had some strong sellers in Japan, in fact, including Momentos which have sold over 800,000 copies (and became one of the country's best-selling albums during the 1980s). But those albums were from pre-RIAJ era, and never been certified at any levels, as of 2013.
Hi Harout. How are you?. I need your advice, so far they have about 50m in certification sales, what do you think about statement that they have sold 89 million records? (31 million albums and 58 million singles worldwide).
( http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9718353.will_i_am_flies_in_on_a____hip_hop_copter___/) / ( http://www.nbc.com/news/2012/06/20/seven-time-grammy-award-winning-songwriter-and-multi-platinum-artist-william-to-perform-on-americas/)
Is this reliable and is it right to updated their claim figures? thanks. Politsi ( talk) 07:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
An article says that Jlo had sold over 80 million records. Can you please check her certified units to see if are enogh to put her on the list. http://entertainment.inquirer.net/62824/bonus-busters-jennifer-lopez-elton-john-sting-usher-in-pricey-christmastime -- 24.139.76.197 ( talk) 19:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
ok thanks! :) -- Rudeby88 ( talk) 00:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout. Need your advice, is this source reliable? ( http://inserbia.info/news/2013/05/green-day-concert-on-kalemegdan-fortress-belgrade-tonight/) because it is stated 75m-records of Green Day.
Our source currently still stated 75m-albums, so if that source reliable I will change it. thanks Politsi ( talk) 07:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, so far I still trying to find another claim which stated records. And as we know that Green Day, Motley Crue, Shania Twain, and Meatloaf still stated albums. And if i found the better one, I will change it but if i feel looks not reliable enough. I will asking you first. thanks by the way. Politsi ( talk) 01:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello. As I noticed, very right columns of tables in the wiki-article List of best-selling music artists include data taken out from articles, books and other elaborations. I think It would be honest to add in that column the item "300 million" for Sir Elton John, as such a value also appears from time to time. The links are given below: http://eltonjohnlasvegas.com/discography.php http://www.excite.com/events/concert-tickets/Elton-John/ http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/8-bestselling-recording-artists-time/#!/elton-john_491/ Thank You very much, Maciek 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 08:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, I have just found some more sources, saying about 300 million
Elton John's records sold worldwide:
http://www.blurtit.com/q265336.html
http://whatculture.com/film/elton-john-biopic-from-writer-of-billy-elliott.php
http://essarcentre.com/elton-john-concert-sault-ste-marie/
http://www.therichest.org/entertainment/the-top-10-best-selling-artists-of-all-time/
http://amazingnews4you.com/the-top-5best-selling-artists-of-all-time/ :)
Cheers, Maciek 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 09:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I read those sentences. They only prove that it is absolutely subjective and wishful thinking list. While the claimed sales of other artists are increased in relation to total certified units by 185% (Madonna), through 220% (Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin), to 243% (Michael Jackson), in Elton's case it is 158%. It seems like all those numbers are taken from the ceiling and now you demand a particular source of information, ridiculous. But ok, it seems to be your own list and it looks like you do whatever you want with it, keep on. 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 10:19, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Harout, need your advice. Who is Hibari Misora? because Japan Today ( http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/1001-song-hibari-misora-box-set-to-go-on-sale-from-aug) said that she has sold 80m-records. Is this reliable?
and for Hamasaki. I still can not find it, her claim still stuck on 50m-records. thanks Politsi ( talk) 08:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i think Ayumi Hamasaki will be in same case like Eric Clapton, where their certification sales is good enough but the media seems not interest to write about them. And i just find this for Hamasaki, 75m-CD ( http://www.mintry.eu/jp/archives/152) but i think that source absolutely not reliable. what do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 03:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
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Another factor that causes claimed product sales to vary from certified sales (particularly for older recording acts and artists) include piracy, which reached its peak in the late 1970's, before music copyright and anti-counterfeit piracy laws changed from civil to criminal violations. Once counterfeiting and piracy were classified as 'crimes', not civil infringments, police agencies could seize and confiscate entire inventories of pirated products as evidence in counterfeiting cases. In cases where multiple entities were found to be in collusion, RICO Statutes could also be applied. Pursuant to the 1979 Law changes. penalties for willful copyright infringement increased from $1,000 to $150,000 per instance. [1] [2].
No one knows the extent to which counterfeiting and piracy affected certified sales. Estimates vary, but for some artists the impact is believed to be significant. Black Sabbath Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, and several other heavy metal or hard rock bands claim that millions of pirated and counterfeit copies of their albums have been sold worldwide, and that has significantly reduced their certified sales. [3]
Beginning in 1979, record companies began using UPC bar codes and other inventory control tagging to detect pirated returns (records which were given on consignment to major retailers, but didn't sell)
[4]. Even in cases where piracy was not involved, un-accounted for returns might have significantly inflated sales. The
RIAA notes that prior to the implementation of Neilsen-Soundscan in 1991, certifying sales often meant taking record company and artist statements of 'items shipped' with no accounting for any returns.
[5]
204.65.0.21 ( talk) 15:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Illegally made copies isn't one of the factors for the gap between claimed sales and certified sales as those are never counted towards the total sold units by record companies, thus never submitted to those that publish record sales. The main reason for the gap between claimed sales and certified sales is the fact that record companies inflate claimed sales for promotional purposes. Second main factor for the gap is the fact that lot of the music markets didn't have certification-systems until 1970s (for key markets), 1980s and 1990s (for others), therefore, lot of older releases have gone uncertified in most markets. But the second reason plays a minor role only in creating the gap between claimed sales and certified sales, because most of the global music sales is generated by key music markets such as U.S., U.K., Germany, France, Canada, have had certification schemes since the 1970s (U.S. from 1958).-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
backstreet boys have sold over 130 million albums worldwide [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.54.86.89 ( talk) 00:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
As the Japanese certifications updated the total certified units for Mariah by [almost] double and the total certified units are updated to 125 million certified ones, I do suggest that the total claimed sales should be pushed further to 220 - 225 million. Fidel 10:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello I just want to prove the fact that Queen has sold 300 million copies of albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabbathbloodness ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Paul McCartney's certified-sales seems to be under-estimated. It misses a string of the albums and singles released during the artist's commercial heyday.
After the dissolution of The Beatles, McCartney had garnered international success with another band Wings. Although some releases left McCartney's name out of the credits, Wings has commonly been regarded as part of his solo career, including one of this article's core sources Billboard magazine. [2]
Aside from the Wings, Paul McCartney has never had massive record sales in last 30 years. The artist has no U.S. Multi-Platinum sellers, except for compilations, live albums, or his previous classics. Probably, the claimed sales of 100 million copies, are largely composed of his earlier career with the band. I think those releases have to be taken into account, just like Bob Marley who produced most materials with his backing band The Wailers. -- Fugreena ( talk)8:22, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm actually glad you're discussing this with me. Again, since I'm not familiar with his releases, I have only included those certifications which certification-databases bring up when his name is entered in the search box. That said, "Uncle Albert" doesn't come up in RIAA's database when typed Paul Mc Cartney, neither the other two single. I will include those now. Let me know if there is more.-- Harout72 ( talk) 20:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
The article is still missing some of certified sales in Japan. -- Fugreena ( talk) 16:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you have two 2x Platinum awards for All for You. I see All for You certified 2x Platinum in June 2001, and then it reaches 3x Platinum in August 2001. So that is total of 600,000 units.-- Harout72 ( talk) 02:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I can't see any certifications for Rod Steward's "If We Fall in Love Tonight" in March 1996.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Also, for the single "Lady Luck" posted in December 1995, is "レティ・ラ。ソク/口、ッド・スチュワ ト" it?-- Harout72 ( talk) 18:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
"Sympathy for the Devil" ― Gold ― Apr '95
The Gold certification for the single "Sympathy for the Devil", is it the last certification (悪魔を憐れむ歌/カ。ンズ・ア〉ド・ローゼズ (MV)) posted in June 1995? I get a clumsy translation by Google as I do for all other missing certifications of all artists, which is the reason why I didn't include them in the total.-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I can't find the Gold certification for "Emancipation" posted in June 1997. Can you please write as it appears in Japanese, I'm maybe not able to see it because of Google's translation.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
The single All for Love is not included in the total because we include certifications of solo and duo collaborations.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Can you please double check and see if the Gold certification for the album Van Halen is posted in April 1995? I can't see it.-- Harout72 ( talk) 01:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
For the album Watermark, I see 2x Platinum posted in June 1998. I don't see any certifications for Watermark in June 1997. The 3x Platinum in June 1997 belongs to the album The Memory of Trees.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:12, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I think that Elton John's claimed worldwide sales should be improved. This reliable source estimates it on the level of 350 million: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/5197203/Sir-Elton-John-adds-an-extra-date-to-his-tour.html Some sources say even about 450 million and more, but they may seem controversial. However I assume that the number 300 million is adequate for Sir Elton, since the artists who have total available certified sold units at the same level (160 million), i.e. Madonna and Michael Jackson posess claimed numbers 300 and even 400 million. Moreover, some artist who have total available certified sold units at much lover level, posess claimed numbers as high as Elton John or even higher (e.g. Led Zeppelin). I think that something is quite wrong here. Regards, Maciek 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 13:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Backstreet Boys have sold over 130 million albums, close to 200 million records when including singles etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 20:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
The Andrews Sisters are claimed in their Wikipedia article to have sold 75-100 million. No figure is given for Roger Whittaker, but based on the number of gold and platinum records he has been awarded, I think he probably is also in the 75 million mark. Bing Crosby, maybe the most successful recording artist of the 20th century, is credited with 23 gold and platinum records. Roger Whittaker is reliably credited with over 250 silver, gold and platinum albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.54.77 ( talk) 09:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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The information given on claimed sales of Britney Spears filed in case [153] have changed and now stands at 130 million worldwide according to sources that are cited by Wikipedia and All resulting Adding this number and not 100 million as stated in page. This figure comes from physical and digital sales of albums, singles and videos. For confirmation look carefully the following page and add the numbers match. [1] 79.131.149.18 ( talk) 19:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article on Johnny Mathis, he has sold over 350 million records. Which article is correct, this one or the one about Johnny Mathis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crose371 ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Olivia Newton-John is from United Kingdom, not Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.158.255.141 ( talk) 18:14, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The italian certifications are now known. Why cant they be added to the total? . 122.165.3.250 ( talk) 10:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout, i want to add another source for those artist with claim sales of 120m-more. So far only the artist with sales above 200m have two or three sources. What if i add another reliable source for artists with 120m-claim? just to make this list more reliable and prestigious.
Need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 07:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I found another available information about Japanese older certification. On the 4th page of the newsletter The Record published in November 1996, RIAJ featured all the Multi-Platinum international products at the time. [11] It will enable to cite some of the earliest certifications.
Following records would be added to the list.
-- Fugreena ( talk) 02:30, 21 August 2013
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Beyoncé has sold over 118 million records worldwide. Sources: 1. CBS 2. Wikipedia itself. Yet she's still in the 75+ million section. Please fix this. BeKay77 ( talk) 17:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Harout, why her picture has been remove from the section?, there only 6 pictures at the 75m-section. Politsi ( talk) 10:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
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Duran Duran sold one million records and should be added to this list. Ronise99 ( talk) 20:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused, Lady Gaga used to appear on this list, didn't she? 219.89.245.152 ( talk) 13:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout. As I remember, we listed this group previously with their current sales in 73m-records claims, and from where i see, most of the recent news source also stated the same claim. Their certification sales also really good about 40m, perhaps.
I need your advice. I have found this source ( http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2003-02-04-alabama_x.htm) but this is quite old from 2003. It was said that Alabama has sold 75 million albums.
What do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 06:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
No Harout, This is the only sources that i have found so far that claimed 75m-albums for that band and i'm lucky to have found that source, believe me i found it at page 19 on google page. Like I said, several news source still stated their sales figures between 65m to 73m records.
But, this source came out in 2003, but i feel this is highly reliable because that figure came out before this list has been builded on wikipedia, i think. so it means the writer on that source absolutely not quote the figures from this list.
I will re-new their figures in wiki biography, and let's see. I believe the recent news source will use this figures because they also will see this list.
And by the way, since their certification is better than Enya, Green Day, and Nirvana. I think their picture should be put at 75m-section.
what do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, don't you think is time to her moving to 150m-section?. Her certification has been reach 105m, meaning that 100m-records claim is not reliable again.
we could use this source ( http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22974441/rihanna-5-things-you-need-know) need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 04:45, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thanks harout, but just for remind you if i'm not mistaken. Her name still in 100-119m section, is it supposed to be at 150m-section now? Politsi ( talk) 05:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
I was impressed how this girl could sell more than big legends in such a short time, but it looks like the information is wrong. I checked the source 156( http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/dont-mess-with-taylor-swift/story-fn9n8gph-1226629813164 ) and it says = "n the past five years she has sold 26 million albums more than any other musician. Illegal downloading doesn't seem to have touched her. She has sold 75 million song downloads and holds the Guinness world record for the fastest selling digital album, for Speak Now."
So in the list they are suming up each downloaded song plus the real album sales. 75+26 = 101.. but song downloads shouldn't be counted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.70.209.109 ( talk) 13:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
At some point Madonna's certifies sales were 169 million units。 How, when and why did it changed to 164.3? Is the main editor of this page,Harout, aware of this change? -- 60.247.76.15 ( talk) 05:25, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i've seen that her name has been put at the 80m-list, does she deserve already to this list? and if yes, regarding with her certification sales. I think her picture should be put at the section.
need your advice. thanks. Politsi ( talk) 09:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout, I've been searching so hard for the total claimed sales for MC, and here's a detailed certified sales for MC as its not listed in the certification sections:
Total certified albums = 375,000
SOURCE: BOOK BY Dean Scaplo "The Complete New Zealand Music Charts" 1966 - 2006 [2] Fidel 00:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I have been adding up her sales certifications for the last 4 months but keep hitting stumps and losing count. From a quick overview do you think that the source stating 80 million is roughly accurate or inflated? Some of the statistics that I gathered can be found on the talk page of her biographical article. Please see the sub-section "Statistics breakdown June 2013". Thanks. Bonnietylersave ( talk) 12:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
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This information has been changed and need to update the page with the changes: Britney Spears has sold a total of over 134 millions by including sales of all physical and digital albums and singles until 2013 100 millions of these are based on album sales only for confirmation see the following elements:
...Baby One More Time (album) sold 30 millions copies worldwide ...Baby One More Time (Physical single) sold 10 millions copies worldwide Oops!...I Did It Again! (album) sold 24 millions copies worldwide Oops!...I Did It Again (Physical single) sold 6 millions copies worldwide Britney (album) sold 15 millions copies worldwide In the Zone (album) sold 10 millions copies worldwide Toxic (Digital and Physical single) sold 6,5 millions copies worldwide Greatest Hits: My Prerogative (compilation album) sold 5,6 millions copies worldwide Blackout (album) sold 3,1 millions copies worldwide Circus (album) sold over 4 millions copies worldwide Womanizer (Digital single) sold 6 millions copies worldwide Circus (Digital single) sold 5,5 millions copies worldwide The Singles Collection (Compilation album) sold 1 million copies worldwide Femme Fatale (album) sold in the US 769,000 copies Till the World Ends (Digital single) sold over 3 millions copies worldwide Scream and Shout (Digital single) sold over 4 millions copies worldwide Αdding up all the items together total sales amounted to: 134.469.000 (Physical & Digital total sales Worldwide) [3] 79.131.149.18 ( talk) 12:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, need your advice. I never heard his name since i was born but this source ( http://heraldnews.suntimes.com/entertainment/17906470-421/bobby-vinton-performs-valentine-show-at-paramount.html) said him have sold 75 million albums. is this reliable and who is he?
and by the way, what's wrong with Lady Gaga image, is her image are too expensive to be put in this list?
thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, please. I need your considered it, because i feel this band certification is so excellent. nearly 90m and with only 100m-claim.
this isn't fair for them, they deserve to get better.
I think we must put them in the 120m-section with this source ( http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/default.aspx?pageid=438&n=0628084913163-2010-06-28) it looks quite reliable for 120m-records claim of them.
need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 10:14, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, i have to admitted. I'm a little bit disappointed but it's ok Politsi ( talk) 01:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout! I've been working on an improvement over this article in the es.wiki and though there's a lot of work to be done, I need to ask you a question.... why are Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift on the list?.
In the source that claims their worlwide sales, it doesn't especify the number 80, 101 and 150 millon, they rather put the singles and album sales seperatly. I mean if we do the math it would give obviously us that numbers but shouldn't they be on the list only when the source claims the whole number of millon records sold?.-- Fallengrademan ( talk) 21:25, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, what do you think about him? is this source about him is reliable? ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/lucky-man-legendary-hitmaker-nile-rodgers-on-disco-drugs-and-daft-punk-8732695.html) 100m-records.
thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i know that i'm the one who provided this claim sales band (80m-albums) from the Gadsden Times. But, i read the source from this ( http://www.turlockjournal.com/section/36/article/21018/) which said that band claim sales lower than previously, 75m-albums.
so, what do you think? do we need to kick out this band from 80m-section and put them at 75m-section? thanks Politsi ( talk) 06:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout. Can the album sales be added to the list without Certifications? Cause Mariah Carey sold in South Korea an approximation of 4 million units in addition to 1 million in Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore? does that works? Fidel 17:03, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
and According to the Latino/Spanish Songs I guess those Videos from YouTube speaks for themselves:
And here are some three Rock ballads:
fidelovkurt 06:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, what do you think about this old man. this source ( http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-08/news/sns-rt-music-davidbowiel5e9c826o-20130108_1_david-bowie-ziggy-stardust-tony-visconti) said him have sold 130m-albums.
is this reliable? thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, actually how many certification sales of her so far. It seems she's also hope to be included in this list.
this source ( http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/lopez-was-homeless-before-her-big-break-29412172.html) claim her have sold 75m-records.
what do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 11:14, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i hope you're not sick of it but i feel that we must raise this band claim sales to 100m-records by using this source ( http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/doors-keyboardist-ray-manzarek-dies-20130521-2jxie.html)
I think they deserve it. They are really earlier artist (1967) but still have an excellent certification sales (45m).
Harout, please. i need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 11:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, how far her certification has been gone so far? is reliable for 11m-albums and 75m-singles claim?
I think she's deserve to in. this source looks quite reliable ( http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/case-you-missed-it/story/her-secret-love-smurfs-20130812)
need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
BTW
GAGA has Total available certified units: 58.7 million and she is in
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Groomingly ( talk) 04:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, what do you think about her? 135m-records ( http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123716/dame-shirley-bassey-to-appear-at-the-academy-awards)
thanks Politsi ( talk) 04:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
. Katy Perry has sold 49,897,000 digital singles and 4,333,000 albums in the United States.[4] As of June 2012, Perry had sold over 10 million albums and 50 million singles worldwide.[3]
source : your page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Perry_discography
that makes her sold compound 60 millions = she has to be in this list in the 75-79 millions sales
77.44.232.141 ( talk) 12:53, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
I see Beyonce's certified sales are enough for a 85 million claim. So is it possible to update that — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartRoggen ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout! I was cheking the list and it seems that Garth Brooks has exceeded the 130 million record sold with 138 million certificated... so I was wondering if you would update his estimated sales (even knowing that it would be an inflated figure) if I find a source that claims 150 million albums or 150/200 million records sold?.-- Fallengrademan ( talk) 01:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
It will be impossible, because i've been done that many times and just for information, previously Garth Brooks even only have claim at 128m-albums, but i've found the better claim for him. One thing that i could say about the country singer is they seems doesn't interest to inflated their sales figures, mostly they are honest and always stand with the official certification rather than just estimation.
and by the way, Harout. i hope you're not get bored with my question. I just try to add another artist in this list, and it makes me happy if i get it. thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
No foreigners? You really think only English spoken artists sold more than 75 million albuns? MachoCarioca ( talk) 13:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout, first of all. i'm sorry for not asking permission from you when i decided to raise the claim sales of Elton John and Metallica, because sometimes i could not wait for your response and i decided to do it by myself and waiting if there's any complaint from you.
After John and Metallica. I've decided to raise RHCP claim sales to 90m-records by using this source ( http://tribune.com.pk/story/602514/music-review-outside-the-red-hot-chili-peppers/) because their certification has been out of 50m. And i think they deserve to get better.
If you doesnt agree, please inform me.
thanks. Politsi ( talk) 01:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes i understand, but this is from myside. i mean, their certification sales has been spread all over the world and far better than any other artist in th 80m-list, with that fact I think it's real to raise their sales figures and only 10m is not un-realistic. But, i believe you know better than me.
And i just curious, why my edit make the other name been deleted, because i feel nothing wrong with my edit. i've been carefully put down the name. this is weird for me. I think i should leave it for you if i've found something better for the list. Politsi ( talk) 04:13, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, the link for their sales figures from the Starphoenix has been dead. I change with another one but i'm not sure this is reliable ( http://www.wweek.com/portland//event-159534-mickey_avalon.html)
need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 10:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, is 80m-albums ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9723774.stm) is reliable for their sales figures? thanks Politsi ( talk) 10:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, the link for their claim figures has been dead ( http://www.thestarphoenix.com/entertainment/Review+Legendary+rock+band+still+after+three+decades/7607555/story.html) and i want to change it with this source ( http://www.wweek.com/portland//event-159534-mickey_avalon.html)
and for your records, all source beside that always said 80m-albums, not records. I think we just let them with their new 90m-records claim if we could not found another source which said 80m-records for them.
please, need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 00:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Currently, Shakira's sales stand at over 120 million records (60 million albums, 70 million singles), meaning that she should be on the list of highest selling artists of all time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.221.66 ( talk) 19:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Lady Gaga not has sold over 80 million records, by contrast, sold 20 million, according to his own discography, which it is featured in wikipedia.
Or this source: Here. Since this source is more reliable than that presented in the article, and the value in the article was "enhanced" by some fan. GabrielDirrty ( talk) 22:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Why is ABBA listed as only between 100m - 200m sales? 360 million worldwide is the most commonly cited amount I have seen; and it have been used by respected sources (Billboard). I don't know how respected The Guinness Book of World Records is, but I have the 1987 edition which lists ABBA as having sold 215 million albums as of May 1985. I think it is reasonable to keep to lower end of the estimate at 100 million, but I don't see why the upper end is being limited at 200 million. Name a source that you would consider valid and I can get you evidence of at least 300 million as an estimate for worldwide sales.
ABBA's certified sales are also understated. One of the more extreme understatements is their home country of Sweden where they are listed as having 730k in certified sales. This is the correct amount you will arrive at if you only use the searchable database for Sweden's certified albums, however that database does not include any of the years when ABBA was active. ABBA received numerous gold and platinum records for all 8 of their studio albums, along with several singles. The total of these earlier certification is in excess of 3 million records. There are similar situations for many other European countries in regards to certifications of ABBA's studio albums and singles. Very few countries have searchable databases that extend far enough back to capture these gold, platinum, and diamond records. Yet, they do exist; there are photos of ABBA receiving them, Billboard articles listing them, and the physical records themselves. Why aren't these being included.
The issue of confirming certified album effects all artists that sold the bulk of their albums prior to the 1990s. Some are able to compensate with impressive lists of certified albums in the US (as well as the UK and Germany which tend to have good records of prior certifications); ABBA is not one of these. Why are legitimate record certification being ignored simply because they cannot be found in a searchable database? What makes a line of computer code a better source than a physical award being handed to an artist? In effect you are denying reasonable proof of sales to be included, simply because a country did not have an organization as highly financed and obsessed as the RIAA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevereno81126 ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, are you still there? I need your advice please.
what do you think if we put his name with 200m-records claim by using this two sources ( http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118575 and http://articles.courant.com/2005-01-13/entertainment/0501130276_1_wwwfoxwoodscom-foxwoods-resort-casino-julio-iglesias)
and with 51m-certification. i think it's reliable to get 200m-records claim. please, need your advice and do not ignoring. thanks Politsi ( talk) 09:57, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
yep... i just testing if you still there. hehehe Politsi ( talk) 01:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Why isn't David Bowie on the list? He has sold well over 100 million albums. [12] — Preceding unsigned comment added by David B. Blue ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Why does not appear david bowie in the list if he has sold over 100 million copies throughout his career?, Exactly 140 million, Want proofs? Here's the proofs:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-08/david-bowie-performs-on-stage/4457258 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie http://www.amazon.co.uk/Treasures-David-Bowie-Mike-Evans/dp/1780973098 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20944291
and There are more websites which claim he has sold that amount of records, it is incredible that a music legend like bowie is not on the list, just he has sold less albums than Rihanna or Miley Cyrus, that's silly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.103.54 ( talk) 16:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I was reading the article on Eminem and in he first paragraph it claims he has sold 100 million albums and 120 million singles for a total of 220 million records sold. This makes more sense than the currently listed 100 million records listed on this page (seeing as that is the number of albums, not records sold). Would it be possible for someone to update this page listing Eminem as having sold 220 million records? Even if it's not 220 million I'm sure it's a lot more than 100 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feltzem ( talk • contribs) 07:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if she has to be on the list, if selling 81 singles makes her available to enter on the list. Even, Lady Gaga and Beyoncé have sold less than her, they are on the list. UK X Factor said Katy Perry has sold over 81 million singles and 11 million albums worldwide. So, I think is logic to put her on the list. If I'm wrong, please say me why. Thank you. Here is the link where I saw it: [4] -- 84.123.67.198 ( talk) 19:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
hi harout, if you think my question is not important to get answer, just said "i'm not interest and you wasting my time"
what do you think about this source ( http://syvnews.com/entertainment/music/cassidy-brings-the-world-s-greatest-teen-idols-to-chumash/article_979cb568-2963-11e3-b61f-0019bb2963f4.html) which mention this band sold 80m-records
thanks Politsi ( talk) 09:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Just for completeness, UK X-Factor claims Gaga's sales are at 114 million records (90 million singles and 24 million albums). Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGd00HPEhs. Her certs have her just under 60 million so I'm not sure how recently they've been updated or how inflated those numbers are. Mc8755 ( talk) 22:48, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Is Billboard a reliable source? http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5785652/lady-gaga-artpop-release-events-to-be-live-streamed-exclusive " Gaga has amassed five Grammy Awards (from 15 nominations), 24 million albums and 125 million singles worldwide." Are these inflated sales? because I obviously think they are but just wanted to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.140.76 ( talk) 21:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the fact that a lot of the figures on this page are inconsistent with those on here: /info/en/?search=Biggest_selling_British_acts_of_all_time
Surely one page needs to be altered for accuracy, but I'm unsure which. Can anyone make some suggestions please? EdwardRussell ( talk) 21:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Where is he on the list????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.180.163 ( talk) 20:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I see that a lot of the musicians added to the list have a combined sales/certifications of both Albums + Singles. After I did some research, I saw that Kylie Minogue has sold over 68 million studio albums worldwide. However, I was concerned over the selection of singles because, in the United Kingdom, she has sold solely of 10.1 million singles there. I do not know if selective countries would count for being there, but with calculations, it tallies up to 78.1 million records overall. With this, I was wondering, should she be on the list with over 78 million sales worldwide, or not? Please answer so it can be more coherent. Thank you.
Links: 68 million album's worldwide - [13] Publisher: BBC
10.1 million singles (In the United Kingdom) - [14] Publisher: The Official Chart Company
121.75.70.144 ( talk) 22:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Rihanna should be moved to 180 million AT LEAST because several credible sources claim she's sold 50 million albums and 180 million singles worldwide http://www.vibe.com/article/rihanna-perform-receive-icon-2013-american-music-awards http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/11/15/rihanna-to-perform-receive-the-first-ever-icon-award-on-the-2013-american-music-awards/215932/
http://www.thewrap.com/rihanna-american-music-awards-icon-award-abc
they may not be the most reliable sources but they can't all be lying. especially the LA times, it's a credible news source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.117.6 ( talk) 05:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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Rihanna and taylor swift did not sell more records than eminem, you need to change that 65.48.137.144 ( talk) 14:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
It was well known since 1983, when Abba disbanded, that they had sold between 300 and 400 million records, second only to the beatles, whose numbers are questionable. — Preceding
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The list includes artists with the most record sales(albums + singles). Avril Lavigne has sold around 35 million albums worldwide and over 50 million singles, for a total of 85 million million records! Add her on the list please! [5]
I see that my edit has been reverted, with the justification that the numbers should not be changed unless "the certified sales are really close to the current claimed figures." Subjective as it is, I understand the reasoning behind not wanting to use inflated numbers. However, there are large numbers of reputable sources that cite between 120 and 122 million for Chicago. Verbatim, the article header says "inflated claimed figures that will meet the required certified sales amount but are unrealistically high from available certified sales, will not be used." I don't see what's unrealistically high for 120 million out of certified sales of 47.8 million (39.2%). Not only does this greatly surpass the certification bar of 20%, but it's significantly higher than several other artists that are further up on the list. What exactly makes this updated claim unnecessarily inflated? Vmanjr ( talk) 18:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Well the 70 million mark is an approximate figure, if we're talking about 100 claimed sales. To explain what I mean, let's take an album or two by Chicago in the U.S. music market for example. RIAA has certified Chicago XIII Gold for 500,000 units, this very album may have sold between 500,000 and 1 million units in the U.S., but because it still hasn't reached shipment of 1 million units, it has only a Gold certification for 500,000 verifiable units. In other words, while the certified sales are an excellent way of determining where the actual sales of an album approximately may be, it may often times not show a few hundred thousands of units. Often times, however, the actual sales of an album (again in the U.S.) may be only 450,000 units, while the album might already have a Gold-certification for 500,000 units of shipment. The same works for Platinum albums. In the U.S. Chicago's album Chicago III has a Platinum certification for a shipment of 1 million units. While the actual sales for that album may be either between 500,000 and 1 million units, or between 1 million and 2 million units, the Platinum certification shows us that there is a million units of the album shipped or in circulation. So the certifications are always a good way of determining where the approximate actual sales lie for a particular album, single (physical, not digital). This example in difference between shipped units and actual units is smaller for all other music markets as the certification-levels are much lower everywhere else.-- Harout72 ( talk) 20:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Is it not a bit strange to compare album sales + singles downloads of some artists with just album sales of others? Like Taylor Swift over Eminem, when the listed sources say 26 million albums vs over 100 million albums. surely they should all be compared on equal grounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcraak ( talk • contribs) 17:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
I was reading this article when I noticed that Bon Jovi was listed as having sold 100 million albums when in reality they have sold 120 million albums.
Sources
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/jon-bon-jovi-net-worth/
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bon+jovi/biography.html
http://top40.about.com/od/b/tp/bonjovi.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlaveToNoLaw47 ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
She is the highest-selling Colombian artist of all time, having sold a total of 125 million records worldwide, over 70 million albums and 55 million singles. [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] Her U.S. album sales stand at 9.9 million. [12]
SayaamRulz ( talk) 12:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Why is his claimed sales LOWER than his certified sales? That's like saying I'm shorter with high heels than without. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.174.111 ( talk) 22:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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Eminem sold over 220 records worldwide, you need to change that please 216.110.127.37 ( talk) 20:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I was surprised that David Bowie is not on this list. I checked and according to his Wikipedia article, he has 140 million albumn sales. Singles sales are not reported and no reliable sources are quoted. Is it possible to get some varifiable sources for his sales? I couldn't find much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.171.196.75 ( talk) 17:53, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
The information about Julio Iglesias is just an interview in 1998. If you read other sources you can see that he has sold over 300 million albums and he has a Guinness Record. I think he has to be moved to another category with the correct number.
You can read that here: http://www.worldrecordacademy.com/arts/best_selling_Latin_Artist_Julio_Iglesias_breaks_Guinness_world_record_213325.html http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1770209/0/julio-iglesias/record-guinness/mas-discos-vendidos/ http://www.hola.com/musica/2011121756083/julio-iglesias-rafa-nadal/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.27.106.70 ( talk) 23:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Pink has become one of the most successful artists of her generation, having sold over 110 million records worldwide as of 2013. [13] [14]
DollarSignAyaam ( talk) 14:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
What about Tino Rossi, more than 500 millions records (french wiki) or 300 millions records (english wiki)? 20ce ( talk) 12:34, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Rihanna certified sales in Australia are now in 5,195,000 not in 4.8 million. USA certified sales are now in 77 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 00 lion 00 ( talk • contribs) 22:40, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Rihanna's Stay was certified Platinum in the US and in the document the song is with only 500,000, and its 1,000,000. The Monster was certified silver in the uk (200,000), gold in Denmark (15,000 - http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=51). Also Love the way you lie was certified Platinum in Denmark, I didn't saw the song in the list ( http://webcitation.org/5vvvrXpbc). -- 00 lion 00 ( talk) 20:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
ok. Thanks, have a nice day. -- 00 lion 00 ( talk) 00:49, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
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i have A source for US sales that doesn't include sales fro Roar and Prism
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that makes her US certificated sales around 57 mils .. right ! and the other countries you inserted would easily makes a 58 or 59 mils so Katy Perry must be on the 80 millions claim I think thanks for your care and acceptance
77.44.232.141 ( talk) 12:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Phew can I say something here before you undo my eidt. This time I actually spent 1hour plus counting the certifications she had by just that few markets. Its really tiring and I wish they would like sum it all up for us so it will be easy to count. The thing is I didnt count many countries in as its to much of her hassle. In US alone she is has been certified selling 32.5 million records. This is certified sales not actual ones I kissed a girl-4X Platinum Hot N Cold -4X PLatinum Waking Up In Vegas-2X PLatinum California Gurls-4X Platinum Teenage Dream-3X Platinum Firework-5X Platinum E.T-5X Platinum Part of Me-2X Platinum Peacock-1X Gold
One of The Boys-1X Platinum Teenage Dream- 2X PLatinum Sum it up its 32.5 million certified in US Alone.
-- Kyung Min ( talk) 12:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Here's a source claiming that Katy has sold 11 million albums and 81 million singles
http://www.capitalfm.com/artists/katy-perry/news/jingle-bell-ball-2013-line-up/
Is it good enough?
Tombo671 ( talk) 11:24, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi harout, how are you?
please advice, how many his albums only certification and as i remember he has a good certification units. But there's no reliable source claim his records sales.
i know this source is from magazine/Vanity Fair ( http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/11/jay-z-beyonce-blue-ivy-cover-story) and not acceptable for the list
But if he has some enough certification sales for 75m-albums claim, i think we must included him on the list using that source because i'm pretty sure that another reliable source from newspaper will follow the claim
Need your advice, thanks Politsi ( talk) 08:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The chart don't have certifications but I think it's a reliable source of artist sales in South Korea. ( http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&chart_Time=year) -- 00 lion 00 ( talk) 16:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Harout, did i mention her already?
i've found that she was claim 75m-albums and singles from this source ( http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/1505577/taylor-dayne-feels-love-from-australia/)
What do you think? and how many certification sales she has? thanks Politsi ( talk) 06:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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http://www.capitalfm.com/artists/eminem/news/2013-best-moments/ http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/drug-addiction-zane-lowe-and-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-deconstructing-eminem http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/eminem-hip-hop-we-shouldnt-accept-misogyny-in-2013
For eminem you should change 100 million to 220 million records
there's multiple sources proving the claim 69.73.241.234 ( talk) 22:37, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Im new here in Wikipedia and I did not know how to ask for this so I created a new talk.
Ive seen that you´ve set ABBA sells for 250 millions where in Spanish same topic is set for more than 370 millions. I have some references, speacially from Rock and Roll Hall of fame, saying that Abba has sold more than 380 millions copies and been the second best-selling music group of all the time.
Billboard mentions ABBA has sold more than 400 millions worldwide.
Take a look.
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- http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/508315/unreleased-abba-song-finally-hitting-stores - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522435/Abbas-mega-wealthy-singers-ask-fans-200-fund-forthcoming-official-photo-book.html - http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/money-abba-resort-crowd-sourcing-raise-funds-529726 - http://rockhall.com/inductees/abba/bio/ - http://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/jan/02/abba-reunion-agnetha - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11154998 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/d87e52c5-bb8d-4da8-b941-9f4928627dc8 - http://www.today.com/id/23673187#.UrfbVPTuKCh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luisrogo01 ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure if you added the new certifications from her new LP Prism and single Roar you'll put her in this list I won't post any pages you are the experts
thx
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When I checked the sources of Beyonce's certified sales, most of them say "retrieved in 2011". Could you update that? Since RIAA named Beyonce as the most certified artist of 2000s decade, I think she will have the claimed 118 000 000 records sold supported by certified sales. Thank you in advance. BeKay77 ( talk) 09:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
With the success of beyonce's new record, billboards have said she has sold 1.3 million copies in the US alone! Worldwide sales are thought to be at 1.8/2 million, can this be accounted for in her sales? I.e. Changing from 75 to 77 million? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.11.73.47 ( talk) 08:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Eminem needs to be moved from 100 million to 220 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterling2828 ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Eminem is the best-selling artist of the 2000s (decade) on the US Nielsen SoundScan,[228] and the estimated sale of over 220 million records worldwide,[6][7] 6.^ Jump up to: a b "Top 10 Hip-hop Best Sellers of All Times". 7.^ Jump up to: a b "Saturday Night Football Goes "Berzerk" with Eminem". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterling2828 ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
James Taylor has sold over a 100 million albums. — Preceding
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http://www.ironmaiden.com/the-band.html
"33 years on, and with over 80 million album sales, "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Maiden
"Considered one of the most successful heavy metal bands in history, Iron Maiden have sold over 85 million records worldwide"
Someone needs to put iron maiden on this list. As sales are probably even higher than this. Up the Irons! — Preceding
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You are correct regarding Iron Maiden, but the authors are trying to keep some form of consistency in sales, so are using certified. But all should keep in mind that "certified" pulls numbers from certified platinum and gold, etc, so those falling short of that in the USA will be short changed in count. Therefore bands with greater appeal outside the USA will appear shortchanged, as is the case with Iron Maiden as the the American music audience never gained the level of sophistication to appreciate them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjjerde ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
To back the point made by a previous editor, Eminem's Wikipedia article claims in it's 'Legacy' section that Eminem's total record sales are over 200 million worldwide. This is backed by not only one but two sources, one of which (ESPN) is most definitely reputable. Both of these sources are certainly as reputable as the sources that support certain other artists in the list. The sources are as follows: ESPN- September 2013 $mart Earning Methods- October 2013 Furthermore, Eminem began charting in 1999 which means the claimed figure of 200 million is supported by the 40% lower boundary of certified sales the criteria of the list demand.
Please feel free to tell me if for some reason this is not enough evidence for Eminem to be moved quite a way up the list. This message is left in good faith for attention of the regular editors of this page, I am well aware I could make this change myself, but I feel it is better to discuss it first. There may be factors I haven't considered. Please let me know. -- Jonie148 ( talk) 22:14, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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There also seems to be a Platinum-award (200,000 units) for Ballad Collection by Madonna, posted in January 1996. But I cannot verify the certification you've posted for the single "La Isla Bonita" in December 1995 . The following "ラ・イス弓・ボニータノマドシナ(WJ)" translates into something else by Google. Is that the one? I have yet to get to the rest you've posted as I've gone through only the years 1994, 1995, 1996. I will most likely add all of the certifications when I'm though with all of the years. I should be done sometime in the next week. -- Harout72 ( talk) 16:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
You have 5x Platinum for "I Will Always Love You" certified in June 1993? The database for The Record starts from 1994. Where can I find it?-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
The Color of My Love appears as Love Stories (Special Edition) in March 1996. I take it that in Japan it was released under a different title?-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Should we not assume that the Gold posted in February 1995 for The Best of Eagles is the same album as the Platinum posted in July 1997 for The Very Best of the Eagles released in July 11, 1994?-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm also seeing 2x Platinum for a compilation album "Best of Billy Joel" posted in May 1995.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Regarding Nine Lives, are you sure they haven't mistakenly posted the same certification twice once in May 1997, and again in June 1997? Because they both happen to have the same release date and they both have been released on the same record company.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Any of Julio Iglesias' efforts have NOT received RIAJ certification. The artist had some strong sellers in Japan, in fact, including Momentos which have sold over 800,000 copies (and became one of the country's best-selling albums during the 1980s). But those albums were from pre-RIAJ era, and never been certified at any levels, as of 2013.
Hi Harout. How are you?. I need your advice, so far they have about 50m in certification sales, what do you think about statement that they have sold 89 million records? (31 million albums and 58 million singles worldwide).
( http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9718353.will_i_am_flies_in_on_a____hip_hop_copter___/) / ( http://www.nbc.com/news/2012/06/20/seven-time-grammy-award-winning-songwriter-and-multi-platinum-artist-william-to-perform-on-americas/)
Is this reliable and is it right to updated their claim figures? thanks. Politsi ( talk) 07:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
An article says that Jlo had sold over 80 million records. Can you please check her certified units to see if are enogh to put her on the list. http://entertainment.inquirer.net/62824/bonus-busters-jennifer-lopez-elton-john-sting-usher-in-pricey-christmastime -- 24.139.76.197 ( talk) 19:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
ok thanks! :) -- Rudeby88 ( talk) 00:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout. Need your advice, is this source reliable? ( http://inserbia.info/news/2013/05/green-day-concert-on-kalemegdan-fortress-belgrade-tonight/) because it is stated 75m-records of Green Day.
Our source currently still stated 75m-albums, so if that source reliable I will change it. thanks Politsi ( talk) 07:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, so far I still trying to find another claim which stated records. And as we know that Green Day, Motley Crue, Shania Twain, and Meatloaf still stated albums. And if i found the better one, I will change it but if i feel looks not reliable enough. I will asking you first. thanks by the way. Politsi ( talk) 01:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello. As I noticed, very right columns of tables in the wiki-article List of best-selling music artists include data taken out from articles, books and other elaborations. I think It would be honest to add in that column the item "300 million" for Sir Elton John, as such a value also appears from time to time. The links are given below: http://eltonjohnlasvegas.com/discography.php http://www.excite.com/events/concert-tickets/Elton-John/ http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/8-bestselling-recording-artists-time/#!/elton-john_491/ Thank You very much, Maciek 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 08:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, I have just found some more sources, saying about 300 million
Elton John's records sold worldwide:
http://www.blurtit.com/q265336.html
http://whatculture.com/film/elton-john-biopic-from-writer-of-billy-elliott.php
http://essarcentre.com/elton-john-concert-sault-ste-marie/
http://www.therichest.org/entertainment/the-top-10-best-selling-artists-of-all-time/
http://amazingnews4you.com/the-top-5best-selling-artists-of-all-time/ :)
Cheers, Maciek 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 09:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I read those sentences. They only prove that it is absolutely subjective and wishful thinking list. While the claimed sales of other artists are increased in relation to total certified units by 185% (Madonna), through 220% (Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin), to 243% (Michael Jackson), in Elton's case it is 158%. It seems like all those numbers are taken from the ceiling and now you demand a particular source of information, ridiculous. But ok, it seems to be your own list and it looks like you do whatever you want with it, keep on. 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 10:19, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Harout, need your advice. Who is Hibari Misora? because Japan Today ( http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/1001-song-hibari-misora-box-set-to-go-on-sale-from-aug) said that she has sold 80m-records. Is this reliable?
and for Hamasaki. I still can not find it, her claim still stuck on 50m-records. thanks Politsi ( talk) 08:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i think Ayumi Hamasaki will be in same case like Eric Clapton, where their certification sales is good enough but the media seems not interest to write about them. And i just find this for Hamasaki, 75m-CD ( http://www.mintry.eu/jp/archives/152) but i think that source absolutely not reliable. what do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 03:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
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Another factor that causes claimed product sales to vary from certified sales (particularly for older recording acts and artists) include piracy, which reached its peak in the late 1970's, before music copyright and anti-counterfeit piracy laws changed from civil to criminal violations. Once counterfeiting and piracy were classified as 'crimes', not civil infringments, police agencies could seize and confiscate entire inventories of pirated products as evidence in counterfeiting cases. In cases where multiple entities were found to be in collusion, RICO Statutes could also be applied. Pursuant to the 1979 Law changes. penalties for willful copyright infringement increased from $1,000 to $150,000 per instance. [1] [2].
No one knows the extent to which counterfeiting and piracy affected certified sales. Estimates vary, but for some artists the impact is believed to be significant. Black Sabbath Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, and several other heavy metal or hard rock bands claim that millions of pirated and counterfeit copies of their albums have been sold worldwide, and that has significantly reduced their certified sales. [3]
Beginning in 1979, record companies began using UPC bar codes and other inventory control tagging to detect pirated returns (records which were given on consignment to major retailers, but didn't sell)
[4]. Even in cases where piracy was not involved, un-accounted for returns might have significantly inflated sales. The
RIAA notes that prior to the implementation of Neilsen-Soundscan in 1991, certifying sales often meant taking record company and artist statements of 'items shipped' with no accounting for any returns.
[5]
204.65.0.21 ( talk) 15:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Illegally made copies isn't one of the factors for the gap between claimed sales and certified sales as those are never counted towards the total sold units by record companies, thus never submitted to those that publish record sales. The main reason for the gap between claimed sales and certified sales is the fact that record companies inflate claimed sales for promotional purposes. Second main factor for the gap is the fact that lot of the music markets didn't have certification-systems until 1970s (for key markets), 1980s and 1990s (for others), therefore, lot of older releases have gone uncertified in most markets. But the second reason plays a minor role only in creating the gap between claimed sales and certified sales, because most of the global music sales is generated by key music markets such as U.S., U.K., Germany, France, Canada, have had certification schemes since the 1970s (U.S. from 1958).-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
backstreet boys have sold over 130 million albums worldwide [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.54.86.89 ( talk) 00:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
As the Japanese certifications updated the total certified units for Mariah by [almost] double and the total certified units are updated to 125 million certified ones, I do suggest that the total claimed sales should be pushed further to 220 - 225 million. Fidel 10:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello I just want to prove the fact that Queen has sold 300 million copies of albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabbathbloodness ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Paul McCartney's certified-sales seems to be under-estimated. It misses a string of the albums and singles released during the artist's commercial heyday.
After the dissolution of The Beatles, McCartney had garnered international success with another band Wings. Although some releases left McCartney's name out of the credits, Wings has commonly been regarded as part of his solo career, including one of this article's core sources Billboard magazine. [2]
Aside from the Wings, Paul McCartney has never had massive record sales in last 30 years. The artist has no U.S. Multi-Platinum sellers, except for compilations, live albums, or his previous classics. Probably, the claimed sales of 100 million copies, are largely composed of his earlier career with the band. I think those releases have to be taken into account, just like Bob Marley who produced most materials with his backing band The Wailers. -- Fugreena ( talk)8:22, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm actually glad you're discussing this with me. Again, since I'm not familiar with his releases, I have only included those certifications which certification-databases bring up when his name is entered in the search box. That said, "Uncle Albert" doesn't come up in RIAA's database when typed Paul Mc Cartney, neither the other two single. I will include those now. Let me know if there is more.-- Harout72 ( talk) 20:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
The article is still missing some of certified sales in Japan. -- Fugreena ( talk) 16:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you have two 2x Platinum awards for All for You. I see All for You certified 2x Platinum in June 2001, and then it reaches 3x Platinum in August 2001. So that is total of 600,000 units.-- Harout72 ( talk) 02:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I can't see any certifications for Rod Steward's "If We Fall in Love Tonight" in March 1996.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Also, for the single "Lady Luck" posted in December 1995, is "レティ・ラ。ソク/口、ッド・スチュワ ト" it?-- Harout72 ( talk) 18:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
"Sympathy for the Devil" ― Gold ― Apr '95
The Gold certification for the single "Sympathy for the Devil", is it the last certification (悪魔を憐れむ歌/カ。ンズ・ア〉ド・ローゼズ (MV)) posted in June 1995? I get a clumsy translation by Google as I do for all other missing certifications of all artists, which is the reason why I didn't include them in the total.-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I can't find the Gold certification for "Emancipation" posted in June 1997. Can you please write as it appears in Japanese, I'm maybe not able to see it because of Google's translation.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
The single All for Love is not included in the total because we include certifications of solo and duo collaborations.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Can you please double check and see if the Gold certification for the album Van Halen is posted in April 1995? I can't see it.-- Harout72 ( talk) 01:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
For the album Watermark, I see 2x Platinum posted in June 1998. I don't see any certifications for Watermark in June 1997. The 3x Platinum in June 1997 belongs to the album The Memory of Trees.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:12, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I think that Elton John's claimed worldwide sales should be improved. This reliable source estimates it on the level of 350 million: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/5197203/Sir-Elton-John-adds-an-extra-date-to-his-tour.html Some sources say even about 450 million and more, but they may seem controversial. However I assume that the number 300 million is adequate for Sir Elton, since the artists who have total available certified sold units at the same level (160 million), i.e. Madonna and Michael Jackson posess claimed numbers 300 and even 400 million. Moreover, some artist who have total available certified sold units at much lover level, posess claimed numbers as high as Elton John or even higher (e.g. Led Zeppelin). I think that something is quite wrong here. Regards, Maciek 94.124.18.19 ( talk) 13:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Backstreet Boys have sold over 130 million albums, close to 200 million records when including singles etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 20:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
The Andrews Sisters are claimed in their Wikipedia article to have sold 75-100 million. No figure is given for Roger Whittaker, but based on the number of gold and platinum records he has been awarded, I think he probably is also in the 75 million mark. Bing Crosby, maybe the most successful recording artist of the 20th century, is credited with 23 gold and platinum records. Roger Whittaker is reliably credited with over 250 silver, gold and platinum albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.54.77 ( talk) 09:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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The information given on claimed sales of Britney Spears filed in case [153] have changed and now stands at 130 million worldwide according to sources that are cited by Wikipedia and All resulting Adding this number and not 100 million as stated in page. This figure comes from physical and digital sales of albums, singles and videos. For confirmation look carefully the following page and add the numbers match. [1] 79.131.149.18 ( talk) 19:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article on Johnny Mathis, he has sold over 350 million records. Which article is correct, this one or the one about Johnny Mathis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crose371 ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Olivia Newton-John is from United Kingdom, not Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.158.255.141 ( talk) 18:14, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The italian certifications are now known. Why cant they be added to the total? . 122.165.3.250 ( talk) 10:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout, i want to add another source for those artist with claim sales of 120m-more. So far only the artist with sales above 200m have two or three sources. What if i add another reliable source for artists with 120m-claim? just to make this list more reliable and prestigious.
Need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 07:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I found another available information about Japanese older certification. On the 4th page of the newsletter The Record published in November 1996, RIAJ featured all the Multi-Platinum international products at the time. [11] It will enable to cite some of the earliest certifications.
Following records would be added to the list.
-- Fugreena ( talk) 02:30, 21 August 2013
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Beyoncé has sold over 118 million records worldwide. Sources: 1. CBS 2. Wikipedia itself. Yet she's still in the 75+ million section. Please fix this. BeKay77 ( talk) 17:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Harout, why her picture has been remove from the section?, there only 6 pictures at the 75m-section. Politsi ( talk) 10:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
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Duran Duran sold one million records and should be added to this list. Ronise99 ( talk) 20:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused, Lady Gaga used to appear on this list, didn't she? 219.89.245.152 ( talk) 13:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout. As I remember, we listed this group previously with their current sales in 73m-records claims, and from where i see, most of the recent news source also stated the same claim. Their certification sales also really good about 40m, perhaps.
I need your advice. I have found this source ( http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2003-02-04-alabama_x.htm) but this is quite old from 2003. It was said that Alabama has sold 75 million albums.
What do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 06:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
No Harout, This is the only sources that i have found so far that claimed 75m-albums for that band and i'm lucky to have found that source, believe me i found it at page 19 on google page. Like I said, several news source still stated their sales figures between 65m to 73m records.
But, this source came out in 2003, but i feel this is highly reliable because that figure came out before this list has been builded on wikipedia, i think. so it means the writer on that source absolutely not quote the figures from this list.
I will re-new their figures in wiki biography, and let's see. I believe the recent news source will use this figures because they also will see this list.
And by the way, since their certification is better than Enya, Green Day, and Nirvana. I think their picture should be put at 75m-section.
what do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, don't you think is time to her moving to 150m-section?. Her certification has been reach 105m, meaning that 100m-records claim is not reliable again.
we could use this source ( http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22974441/rihanna-5-things-you-need-know) need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 04:45, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thanks harout, but just for remind you if i'm not mistaken. Her name still in 100-119m section, is it supposed to be at 150m-section now? Politsi ( talk) 05:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
I was impressed how this girl could sell more than big legends in such a short time, but it looks like the information is wrong. I checked the source 156( http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/dont-mess-with-taylor-swift/story-fn9n8gph-1226629813164 ) and it says = "n the past five years she has sold 26 million albums more than any other musician. Illegal downloading doesn't seem to have touched her. She has sold 75 million song downloads and holds the Guinness world record for the fastest selling digital album, for Speak Now."
So in the list they are suming up each downloaded song plus the real album sales. 75+26 = 101.. but song downloads shouldn't be counted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.70.209.109 ( talk) 13:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
At some point Madonna's certifies sales were 169 million units。 How, when and why did it changed to 164.3? Is the main editor of this page,Harout, aware of this change? -- 60.247.76.15 ( talk) 05:25, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i've seen that her name has been put at the 80m-list, does she deserve already to this list? and if yes, regarding with her certification sales. I think her picture should be put at the section.
need your advice. thanks. Politsi ( talk) 09:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout, I've been searching so hard for the total claimed sales for MC, and here's a detailed certified sales for MC as its not listed in the certification sections:
Total certified albums = 375,000
SOURCE: BOOK BY Dean Scaplo "The Complete New Zealand Music Charts" 1966 - 2006 [2] Fidel 00:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I have been adding up her sales certifications for the last 4 months but keep hitting stumps and losing count. From a quick overview do you think that the source stating 80 million is roughly accurate or inflated? Some of the statistics that I gathered can be found on the talk page of her biographical article. Please see the sub-section "Statistics breakdown June 2013". Thanks. Bonnietylersave ( talk) 12:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
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This information has been changed and need to update the page with the changes: Britney Spears has sold a total of over 134 millions by including sales of all physical and digital albums and singles until 2013 100 millions of these are based on album sales only for confirmation see the following elements:
...Baby One More Time (album) sold 30 millions copies worldwide ...Baby One More Time (Physical single) sold 10 millions copies worldwide Oops!...I Did It Again! (album) sold 24 millions copies worldwide Oops!...I Did It Again (Physical single) sold 6 millions copies worldwide Britney (album) sold 15 millions copies worldwide In the Zone (album) sold 10 millions copies worldwide Toxic (Digital and Physical single) sold 6,5 millions copies worldwide Greatest Hits: My Prerogative (compilation album) sold 5,6 millions copies worldwide Blackout (album) sold 3,1 millions copies worldwide Circus (album) sold over 4 millions copies worldwide Womanizer (Digital single) sold 6 millions copies worldwide Circus (Digital single) sold 5,5 millions copies worldwide The Singles Collection (Compilation album) sold 1 million copies worldwide Femme Fatale (album) sold in the US 769,000 copies Till the World Ends (Digital single) sold over 3 millions copies worldwide Scream and Shout (Digital single) sold over 4 millions copies worldwide Αdding up all the items together total sales amounted to: 134.469.000 (Physical & Digital total sales Worldwide) [3] 79.131.149.18 ( talk) 12:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, need your advice. I never heard his name since i was born but this source ( http://heraldnews.suntimes.com/entertainment/17906470-421/bobby-vinton-performs-valentine-show-at-paramount.html) said him have sold 75 million albums. is this reliable and who is he?
and by the way, what's wrong with Lady Gaga image, is her image are too expensive to be put in this list?
thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, please. I need your considered it, because i feel this band certification is so excellent. nearly 90m and with only 100m-claim.
this isn't fair for them, they deserve to get better.
I think we must put them in the 120m-section with this source ( http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/default.aspx?pageid=438&n=0628084913163-2010-06-28) it looks quite reliable for 120m-records claim of them.
need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 10:14, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, i have to admitted. I'm a little bit disappointed but it's ok Politsi ( talk) 01:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout! I've been working on an improvement over this article in the es.wiki and though there's a lot of work to be done, I need to ask you a question.... why are Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift on the list?.
In the source that claims their worlwide sales, it doesn't especify the number 80, 101 and 150 millon, they rather put the singles and album sales seperatly. I mean if we do the math it would give obviously us that numbers but shouldn't they be on the list only when the source claims the whole number of millon records sold?.-- Fallengrademan ( talk) 21:25, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, what do you think about him? is this source about him is reliable? ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/lucky-man-legendary-hitmaker-nile-rodgers-on-disco-drugs-and-daft-punk-8732695.html) 100m-records.
thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i know that i'm the one who provided this claim sales band (80m-albums) from the Gadsden Times. But, i read the source from this ( http://www.turlockjournal.com/section/36/article/21018/) which said that band claim sales lower than previously, 75m-albums.
so, what do you think? do we need to kick out this band from 80m-section and put them at 75m-section? thanks Politsi ( talk) 06:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout. Can the album sales be added to the list without Certifications? Cause Mariah Carey sold in South Korea an approximation of 4 million units in addition to 1 million in Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore? does that works? Fidel 17:03, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
and According to the Latino/Spanish Songs I guess those Videos from YouTube speaks for themselves:
And here are some three Rock ballads:
fidelovkurt 06:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, what do you think about this old man. this source ( http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-08/news/sns-rt-music-davidbowiel5e9c826o-20130108_1_david-bowie-ziggy-stardust-tony-visconti) said him have sold 130m-albums.
is this reliable? thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, actually how many certification sales of her so far. It seems she's also hope to be included in this list.
this source ( http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/lopez-was-homeless-before-her-big-break-29412172.html) claim her have sold 75m-records.
what do you think? thanks Politsi ( talk) 11:14, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, i hope you're not sick of it but i feel that we must raise this band claim sales to 100m-records by using this source ( http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/doors-keyboardist-ray-manzarek-dies-20130521-2jxie.html)
I think they deserve it. They are really earlier artist (1967) but still have an excellent certification sales (45m).
Harout, please. i need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 11:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, how far her certification has been gone so far? is reliable for 11m-albums and 75m-singles claim?
I think she's deserve to in. this source looks quite reliable ( http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/case-you-missed-it/story/her-secret-love-smurfs-20130812)
need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
BTW
GAGA has Total available certified units: 58.7 million and she is in
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Groomingly ( talk) 04:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Harout, what do you think about her? 135m-records ( http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123716/dame-shirley-bassey-to-appear-at-the-academy-awards)
thanks Politsi ( talk) 04:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
. Katy Perry has sold 49,897,000 digital singles and 4,333,000 albums in the United States.[4] As of June 2012, Perry had sold over 10 million albums and 50 million singles worldwide.[3]
source : your page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Perry_discography
that makes her sold compound 60 millions = she has to be in this list in the 75-79 millions sales
77.44.232.141 ( talk) 12:53, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
I see Beyonce's certified sales are enough for a 85 million claim. So is it possible to update that — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartRoggen ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout! I was cheking the list and it seems that Garth Brooks has exceeded the 130 million record sold with 138 million certificated... so I was wondering if you would update his estimated sales (even knowing that it would be an inflated figure) if I find a source that claims 150 million albums or 150/200 million records sold?.-- Fallengrademan ( talk) 01:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
It will be impossible, because i've been done that many times and just for information, previously Garth Brooks even only have claim at 128m-albums, but i've found the better claim for him. One thing that i could say about the country singer is they seems doesn't interest to inflated their sales figures, mostly they are honest and always stand with the official certification rather than just estimation.
and by the way, Harout. i hope you're not get bored with my question. I just try to add another artist in this list, and it makes me happy if i get it. thanks Politsi ( talk) 01:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
No foreigners? You really think only English spoken artists sold more than 75 million albuns? MachoCarioca ( talk) 13:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Harout, first of all. i'm sorry for not asking permission from you when i decided to raise the claim sales of Elton John and Metallica, because sometimes i could not wait for your response and i decided to do it by myself and waiting if there's any complaint from you.
After John and Metallica. I've decided to raise RHCP claim sales to 90m-records by using this source ( http://tribune.com.pk/story/602514/music-review-outside-the-red-hot-chili-peppers/) because their certification has been out of 50m. And i think they deserve to get better.
If you doesnt agree, please inform me.
thanks. Politsi ( talk) 01:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes i understand, but this is from myside. i mean, their certification sales has been spread all over the world and far better than any other artist in th 80m-list, with that fact I think it's real to raise their sales figures and only 10m is not un-realistic. But, i believe you know better than me.
And i just curious, why my edit make the other name been deleted, because i feel nothing wrong with my edit. i've been carefully put down the name. this is weird for me. I think i should leave it for you if i've found something better for the list. Politsi ( talk) 04:13, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, the link for their sales figures from the Starphoenix has been dead. I change with another one but i'm not sure this is reliable ( http://www.wweek.com/portland//event-159534-mickey_avalon.html)
need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 10:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, is 80m-albums ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9723774.stm) is reliable for their sales figures? thanks Politsi ( talk) 10:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, the link for their claim figures has been dead ( http://www.thestarphoenix.com/entertainment/Review+Legendary+rock+band+still+after+three+decades/7607555/story.html) and i want to change it with this source ( http://www.wweek.com/portland//event-159534-mickey_avalon.html)
and for your records, all source beside that always said 80m-albums, not records. I think we just let them with their new 90m-records claim if we could not found another source which said 80m-records for them.
please, need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 00:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Currently, Shakira's sales stand at over 120 million records (60 million albums, 70 million singles), meaning that she should be on the list of highest selling artists of all time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.221.66 ( talk) 19:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Lady Gaga not has sold over 80 million records, by contrast, sold 20 million, according to his own discography, which it is featured in wikipedia.
Or this source: Here. Since this source is more reliable than that presented in the article, and the value in the article was "enhanced" by some fan. GabrielDirrty ( talk) 22:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Why is ABBA listed as only between 100m - 200m sales? 360 million worldwide is the most commonly cited amount I have seen; and it have been used by respected sources (Billboard). I don't know how respected The Guinness Book of World Records is, but I have the 1987 edition which lists ABBA as having sold 215 million albums as of May 1985. I think it is reasonable to keep to lower end of the estimate at 100 million, but I don't see why the upper end is being limited at 200 million. Name a source that you would consider valid and I can get you evidence of at least 300 million as an estimate for worldwide sales.
ABBA's certified sales are also understated. One of the more extreme understatements is their home country of Sweden where they are listed as having 730k in certified sales. This is the correct amount you will arrive at if you only use the searchable database for Sweden's certified albums, however that database does not include any of the years when ABBA was active. ABBA received numerous gold and platinum records for all 8 of their studio albums, along with several singles. The total of these earlier certification is in excess of 3 million records. There are similar situations for many other European countries in regards to certifications of ABBA's studio albums and singles. Very few countries have searchable databases that extend far enough back to capture these gold, platinum, and diamond records. Yet, they do exist; there are photos of ABBA receiving them, Billboard articles listing them, and the physical records themselves. Why aren't these being included.
The issue of confirming certified album effects all artists that sold the bulk of their albums prior to the 1990s. Some are able to compensate with impressive lists of certified albums in the US (as well as the UK and Germany which tend to have good records of prior certifications); ABBA is not one of these. Why are legitimate record certification being ignored simply because they cannot be found in a searchable database? What makes a line of computer code a better source than a physical award being handed to an artist? In effect you are denying reasonable proof of sales to be included, simply because a country did not have an organization as highly financed and obsessed as the RIAA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevereno81126 ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Harout, are you still there? I need your advice please.
what do you think if we put his name with 200m-records claim by using this two sources ( http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118575 and http://articles.courant.com/2005-01-13/entertainment/0501130276_1_wwwfoxwoodscom-foxwoods-resort-casino-julio-iglesias)
and with 51m-certification. i think it's reliable to get 200m-records claim. please, need your advice and do not ignoring. thanks Politsi ( talk) 09:57, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
yep... i just testing if you still there. hehehe Politsi ( talk) 01:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Why isn't David Bowie on the list? He has sold well over 100 million albums. [12] — Preceding unsigned comment added by David B. Blue ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Why does not appear david bowie in the list if he has sold over 100 million copies throughout his career?, Exactly 140 million, Want proofs? Here's the proofs:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-08/david-bowie-performs-on-stage/4457258 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie http://www.amazon.co.uk/Treasures-David-Bowie-Mike-Evans/dp/1780973098 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20944291
and There are more websites which claim he has sold that amount of records, it is incredible that a music legend like bowie is not on the list, just he has sold less albums than Rihanna or Miley Cyrus, that's silly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.103.54 ( talk) 16:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I was reading the article on Eminem and in he first paragraph it claims he has sold 100 million albums and 120 million singles for a total of 220 million records sold. This makes more sense than the currently listed 100 million records listed on this page (seeing as that is the number of albums, not records sold). Would it be possible for someone to update this page listing Eminem as having sold 220 million records? Even if it's not 220 million I'm sure it's a lot more than 100 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feltzem ( talk • contribs) 07:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if she has to be on the list, if selling 81 singles makes her available to enter on the list. Even, Lady Gaga and Beyoncé have sold less than her, they are on the list. UK X Factor said Katy Perry has sold over 81 million singles and 11 million albums worldwide. So, I think is logic to put her on the list. If I'm wrong, please say me why. Thank you. Here is the link where I saw it: [4] -- 84.123.67.198 ( talk) 19:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
hi harout, if you think my question is not important to get answer, just said "i'm not interest and you wasting my time"
what do you think about this source ( http://syvnews.com/entertainment/music/cassidy-brings-the-world-s-greatest-teen-idols-to-chumash/article_979cb568-2963-11e3-b61f-0019bb2963f4.html) which mention this band sold 80m-records
thanks Politsi ( talk) 09:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Just for completeness, UK X-Factor claims Gaga's sales are at 114 million records (90 million singles and 24 million albums). Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGd00HPEhs. Her certs have her just under 60 million so I'm not sure how recently they've been updated or how inflated those numbers are. Mc8755 ( talk) 22:48, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Is Billboard a reliable source? http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5785652/lady-gaga-artpop-release-events-to-be-live-streamed-exclusive " Gaga has amassed five Grammy Awards (from 15 nominations), 24 million albums and 125 million singles worldwide." Are these inflated sales? because I obviously think they are but just wanted to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.140.76 ( talk) 21:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the fact that a lot of the figures on this page are inconsistent with those on here: /info/en/?search=Biggest_selling_British_acts_of_all_time
Surely one page needs to be altered for accuracy, but I'm unsure which. Can anyone make some suggestions please? EdwardRussell ( talk) 21:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Where is he on the list????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.180.163 ( talk) 20:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I see that a lot of the musicians added to the list have a combined sales/certifications of both Albums + Singles. After I did some research, I saw that Kylie Minogue has sold over 68 million studio albums worldwide. However, I was concerned over the selection of singles because, in the United Kingdom, she has sold solely of 10.1 million singles there. I do not know if selective countries would count for being there, but with calculations, it tallies up to 78.1 million records overall. With this, I was wondering, should she be on the list with over 78 million sales worldwide, or not? Please answer so it can be more coherent. Thank you.
Links: 68 million album's worldwide - [13] Publisher: BBC
10.1 million singles (In the United Kingdom) - [14] Publisher: The Official Chart Company
121.75.70.144 ( talk) 22:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Rihanna should be moved to 180 million AT LEAST because several credible sources claim she's sold 50 million albums and 180 million singles worldwide http://www.vibe.com/article/rihanna-perform-receive-icon-2013-american-music-awards http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/11/15/rihanna-to-perform-receive-the-first-ever-icon-award-on-the-2013-american-music-awards/215932/
http://www.thewrap.com/rihanna-american-music-awards-icon-award-abc
they may not be the most reliable sources but they can't all be lying. especially the LA times, it's a credible news source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.117.6 ( talk) 05:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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Rihanna and taylor swift did not sell more records than eminem, you need to change that 65.48.137.144 ( talk) 14:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
It was well known since 1983, when Abba disbanded, that they had sold between 300 and 400 million records, second only to the beatles, whose numbers are questionable. — Preceding
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The list includes artists with the most record sales(albums + singles). Avril Lavigne has sold around 35 million albums worldwide and over 50 million singles, for a total of 85 million million records! Add her on the list please! [5]
I see that my edit has been reverted, with the justification that the numbers should not be changed unless "the certified sales are really close to the current claimed figures." Subjective as it is, I understand the reasoning behind not wanting to use inflated numbers. However, there are large numbers of reputable sources that cite between 120 and 122 million for Chicago. Verbatim, the article header says "inflated claimed figures that will meet the required certified sales amount but are unrealistically high from available certified sales, will not be used." I don't see what's unrealistically high for 120 million out of certified sales of 47.8 million (39.2%). Not only does this greatly surpass the certification bar of 20%, but it's significantly higher than several other artists that are further up on the list. What exactly makes this updated claim unnecessarily inflated? Vmanjr ( talk) 18:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Well the 70 million mark is an approximate figure, if we're talking about 100 claimed sales. To explain what I mean, let's take an album or two by Chicago in the U.S. music market for example. RIAA has certified Chicago XIII Gold for 500,000 units, this very album may have sold between 500,000 and 1 million units in the U.S., but because it still hasn't reached shipment of 1 million units, it has only a Gold certification for 500,000 verifiable units. In other words, while the certified sales are an excellent way of determining where the actual sales of an album approximately may be, it may often times not show a few hundred thousands of units. Often times, however, the actual sales of an album (again in the U.S.) may be only 450,000 units, while the album might already have a Gold-certification for 500,000 units of shipment. The same works for Platinum albums. In the U.S. Chicago's album Chicago III has a Platinum certification for a shipment of 1 million units. While the actual sales for that album may be either between 500,000 and 1 million units, or between 1 million and 2 million units, the Platinum certification shows us that there is a million units of the album shipped or in circulation. So the certifications are always a good way of determining where the approximate actual sales lie for a particular album, single (physical, not digital). This example in difference between shipped units and actual units is smaller for all other music markets as the certification-levels are much lower everywhere else.-- Harout72 ( talk) 20:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Is it not a bit strange to compare album sales + singles downloads of some artists with just album sales of others? Like Taylor Swift over Eminem, when the listed sources say 26 million albums vs over 100 million albums. surely they should all be compared on equal grounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcraak ( talk • contribs) 17:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
I was reading this article when I noticed that Bon Jovi was listed as having sold 100 million albums when in reality they have sold 120 million albums.
Sources
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/jon-bon-jovi-net-worth/
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bon+jovi/biography.html
http://top40.about.com/od/b/tp/bonjovi.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlaveToNoLaw47 ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
She is the highest-selling Colombian artist of all time, having sold a total of 125 million records worldwide, over 70 million albums and 55 million singles. [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] Her U.S. album sales stand at 9.9 million. [12]
SayaamRulz ( talk) 12:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Why is his claimed sales LOWER than his certified sales? That's like saying I'm shorter with high heels than without. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.174.111 ( talk) 22:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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Eminem sold over 220 records worldwide, you need to change that please 216.110.127.37 ( talk) 20:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I was surprised that David Bowie is not on this list. I checked and according to his Wikipedia article, he has 140 million albumn sales. Singles sales are not reported and no reliable sources are quoted. Is it possible to get some varifiable sources for his sales? I couldn't find much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.171.196.75 ( talk) 17:53, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
The information about Julio Iglesias is just an interview in 1998. If you read other sources you can see that he has sold over 300 million albums and he has a Guinness Record. I think he has to be moved to another category with the correct number.
You can read that here: http://www.worldrecordacademy.com/arts/best_selling_Latin_Artist_Julio_Iglesias_breaks_Guinness_world_record_213325.html http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1770209/0/julio-iglesias/record-guinness/mas-discos-vendidos/ http://www.hola.com/musica/2011121756083/julio-iglesias-rafa-nadal/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.27.106.70 ( talk) 23:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Pink has become one of the most successful artists of her generation, having sold over 110 million records worldwide as of 2013. [13] [14]
DollarSignAyaam ( talk) 14:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
What about Tino Rossi, more than 500 millions records (french wiki) or 300 millions records (english wiki)? 20ce ( talk) 12:34, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Rihanna certified sales in Australia are now in 5,195,000 not in 4.8 million. USA certified sales are now in 77 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 00 lion 00 ( talk • contribs) 22:40, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Rihanna's Stay was certified Platinum in the US and in the document the song is with only 500,000, and its 1,000,000. The Monster was certified silver in the uk (200,000), gold in Denmark (15,000 - http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=51). Also Love the way you lie was certified Platinum in Denmark, I didn't saw the song in the list ( http://webcitation.org/5vvvrXpbc). -- 00 lion 00 ( talk) 20:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
ok. Thanks, have a nice day. -- 00 lion 00 ( talk) 00:49, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Katy Perry US Certified Sales =Albums=
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i have A source for US sales that doesn't include sales fro Roar and Prism
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that makes her US certificated sales around 57 mils .. right ! and the other countries you inserted would easily makes a 58 or 59 mils so Katy Perry must be on the 80 millions claim I think thanks for your care and acceptance
77.44.232.141 ( talk) 12:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Phew can I say something here before you undo my eidt. This time I actually spent 1hour plus counting the certifications she had by just that few markets. Its really tiring and I wish they would like sum it all up for us so it will be easy to count. The thing is I didnt count many countries in as its to much of her hassle. In US alone she is has been certified selling 32.5 million records. This is certified sales not actual ones I kissed a girl-4X Platinum Hot N Cold -4X PLatinum Waking Up In Vegas-2X PLatinum California Gurls-4X Platinum Teenage Dream-3X Platinum Firework-5X Platinum E.T-5X Platinum Part of Me-2X Platinum Peacock-1X Gold
One of The Boys-1X Platinum Teenage Dream- 2X PLatinum Sum it up its 32.5 million certified in US Alone.
-- Kyung Min ( talk) 12:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Here's a source claiming that Katy has sold 11 million albums and 81 million singles
http://www.capitalfm.com/artists/katy-perry/news/jingle-bell-ball-2013-line-up/
Is it good enough?
Tombo671 ( talk) 11:24, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi harout, how are you?
please advice, how many his albums only certification and as i remember he has a good certification units. But there's no reliable source claim his records sales.
i know this source is from magazine/Vanity Fair ( http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/11/jay-z-beyonce-blue-ivy-cover-story) and not acceptable for the list
But if he has some enough certification sales for 75m-albums claim, i think we must included him on the list using that source because i'm pretty sure that another reliable source from newspaper will follow the claim
Need your advice, thanks Politsi ( talk) 08:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The chart don't have certifications but I think it's a reliable source of artist sales in South Korea. ( http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&chart_Time=year) -- 00 lion 00 ( talk) 16:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Harout, did i mention her already?
i've found that she was claim 75m-albums and singles from this source ( http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/1505577/taylor-dayne-feels-love-from-australia/)
What do you think? and how many certification sales she has? thanks Politsi ( talk) 06:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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http://www.capitalfm.com/artists/eminem/news/2013-best-moments/ http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/drug-addiction-zane-lowe-and-the-marshall-mathers-lp-2-deconstructing-eminem http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/eminem-hip-hop-we-shouldnt-accept-misogyny-in-2013
For eminem you should change 100 million to 220 million records
there's multiple sources proving the claim 69.73.241.234 ( talk) 22:37, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Im new here in Wikipedia and I did not know how to ask for this so I created a new talk.
Ive seen that you´ve set ABBA sells for 250 millions where in Spanish same topic is set for more than 370 millions. I have some references, speacially from Rock and Roll Hall of fame, saying that Abba has sold more than 380 millions copies and been the second best-selling music group of all the time.
Billboard mentions ABBA has sold more than 400 millions worldwide.
Take a look.
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- http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/508315/unreleased-abba-song-finally-hitting-stores - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522435/Abbas-mega-wealthy-singers-ask-fans-200-fund-forthcoming-official-photo-book.html - http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/money-abba-resort-crowd-sourcing-raise-funds-529726 - http://rockhall.com/inductees/abba/bio/ - http://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/jan/02/abba-reunion-agnetha - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11154998 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/d87e52c5-bb8d-4da8-b941-9f4928627dc8 - http://www.today.com/id/23673187#.UrfbVPTuKCh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luisrogo01 ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure if you added the new certifications from her new LP Prism and single Roar you'll put her in this list I won't post any pages you are the experts
thx
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When I checked the sources of Beyonce's certified sales, most of them say "retrieved in 2011". Could you update that? Since RIAA named Beyonce as the most certified artist of 2000s decade, I think she will have the claimed 118 000 000 records sold supported by certified sales. Thank you in advance. BeKay77 ( talk) 09:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
With the success of beyonce's new record, billboards have said she has sold 1.3 million copies in the US alone! Worldwide sales are thought to be at 1.8/2 million, can this be accounted for in her sales? I.e. Changing from 75 to 77 million? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.11.73.47 ( talk) 08:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Eminem needs to be moved from 100 million to 220 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterling2828 ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Eminem is the best-selling artist of the 2000s (decade) on the US Nielsen SoundScan,[228] and the estimated sale of over 220 million records worldwide,[6][7] 6.^ Jump up to: a b "Top 10 Hip-hop Best Sellers of All Times". 7.^ Jump up to: a b "Saturday Night Football Goes "Berzerk" with Eminem". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterling2828 ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
James Taylor has sold over a 100 million albums. — Preceding
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http://www.ironmaiden.com/the-band.html
"33 years on, and with over 80 million album sales, "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Maiden
"Considered one of the most successful heavy metal bands in history, Iron Maiden have sold over 85 million records worldwide"
Someone needs to put iron maiden on this list. As sales are probably even higher than this. Up the Irons! — Preceding
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You are correct regarding Iron Maiden, but the authors are trying to keep some form of consistency in sales, so are using certified. But all should keep in mind that "certified" pulls numbers from certified platinum and gold, etc, so those falling short of that in the USA will be short changed in count. Therefore bands with greater appeal outside the USA will appear shortchanged, as is the case with Iron Maiden as the the American music audience never gained the level of sophistication to appreciate them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjjerde ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
To back the point made by a previous editor, Eminem's Wikipedia article claims in it's 'Legacy' section that Eminem's total record sales are over 200 million worldwide. This is backed by not only one but two sources, one of which (ESPN) is most definitely reputable. Both of these sources are certainly as reputable as the sources that support certain other artists in the list. The sources are as follows: ESPN- September 2013 $mart Earning Methods- October 2013 Furthermore, Eminem began charting in 1999 which means the claimed figure of 200 million is supported by the 40% lower boundary of certified sales the criteria of the list demand.
Please feel free to tell me if for some reason this is not enough evidence for Eminem to be moved quite a way up the list. This message is left in good faith for attention of the regular editors of this page, I am well aware I could make this change myself, but I feel it is better to discuss it first. There may be factors I haven't considered. Please let me know. -- Jonie148 ( talk) 22:14, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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