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While I was searching information for this article, I found some manga with 20 million or more copies sold, and some divergent information about the sales of some series. However, I didn't put them here because the source where I found the information can't be considered reliable (depending on the series, one of those: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], 6). So I would like to share it with you in the case someone wants to do a deeper research or know a reliable source that have the same information. The possible entries (or changes that may be done) are:
--- Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 23:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
A smart user was able to prove that Reborn! data is right. I've already said that other data are probably right but we might to find sources to prove it. The IP taught us a good way. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 06:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Why not add dragon ball super chapters is ongoing manga is dragon ball franchise Nor365 ( talk) 04:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
The prince of tennis is ongoing write de same mangaka Nor365 ( talk) 06:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Recently I've found a lot of manga with more than 20 million copies, I added the ones with a good source, but I don't have a reliable source for three of them, if you find one, I would appreaciate it. The manga are: The Story of the Russo-Japanese War (20 million) and Serious! (37 million) and Shonan Bakusozoku (20 million) Cracker-Kun ( talk) 12:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Would it be possible to include entries for numbers sold in Japan vs overseas sales? It would be interesting to see what's appreciated by different countries. 2601:346:C201:60C0:150B:639C:C734:3F6C ( talk) 19:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
According to the Japanese wiki,the manga silent service has sold 25 millions of copies: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B2%88%E9%BB%99%E3%81%AE%E8%89%A6%E9%9A%8A
also this list mention master keaton with 20 millions of copies sold: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lNqcny19R88mhxOZ-c3Ze22wbpeGdQZYoPNVYZV2YiM/edit#gid=0
Should they be added?
@ Xfansd: Why by highest estimate? In highest selling consoles, for example, we go by lowest. Smeagol 17 ( talk) 16:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Surprised not to see the Pokemon Adventures Manga no where on the list. Considering the Pokemon franchise is the highest grossing media franchise and it's sales via manga is $1.46 billion, you'd think it would appear promptly on this list. Though that includes all manga sales, the Pokemon adventures manga is it's most notable series and longest running, still ongoing at 53 volumes since 1997. 98.113.165.58 ( talk) 21:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Main characters are the same, universe is the same... Just differently named. Shouldn't we combine them? Setenzatsu.2 ( talk) 06:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@ KindStrangerr: One Piece reached 390 million copies in circulation in Japan in December 2019 (see here and here), before the release of volumes 95 and 96. In April of 2020, it was announced that the series reached 80 million copies in print overseas (see here), without updating the 390 million figure. At the end of May 2020, Oricon announced that One Piece sold 4,885,538 copies in the first half of 2020 (see here and here), bringing the total to 474,885,538, rounded to 475 million copies.
I posted this here to avoid more reverted edits. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Mazewaxie: You do not seem to understand how circulation numbers work. I'm going to try to explain it to you once again and hopefully this time you'll get it.
Let's start from the december number. This is from the end of december, right before the release of volume 95; why is that? Because the number was revealed on the Obi of volume 95, the image that I showed you. This happened after all the copies for volume 95 were already printed, sent to the stores and added to the circulation; therefore any and all sales derived from this volume are already included in this number. Don't believe me? See:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2019-11-07/one-piece-manga-has-460-million-copies-in-print-worldwide/.153030
In particular, "Eiichiro Oda's One Piece manga will have more than 460 million copies in print worldwide when the 95th volume ships on December 28". Notice how it specifies it will include volume 95? That's because circulation includes the upcoming volume as shueisha obviously knows how much they have printed for it, and circulation does not refer to copies SOLD but to copies PRINTED(with the addition of digital sales in some cases), which are obviously going to include sold copies because you can't sell copies that weren't printed beforehand.
As for how the 390 million number didn't change, it could very well just be a matter of rounding (as in 388 mln at the time of volume 95, 391mln at the time of volume 96), it's unimportant as shueisha specifies their numbers include these volumes AS I HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES. You can't look at everyone reporting "this figure includes volume 96" from shueisha themselves and just reply with "it doesn't because I say so".
If you have added oricon numbers to circulation numbers for one piece for years then I'm sorry but you have made a mistake for years as that doesn't make a mistake and is a nonsensical thing to do as, again, circulation includes first print of the upcoming volume, therefore sales numbers are already included in this circulation number as they cannot possibly be any higher than the amount of copies that got printed.
Lastly, even if it did make sense (and it doesn't), you didn't even count the volumes properly, as the combined sales of volumes 95 and 96 are only around 3.5mln and the rest is backlog sales, as you can very clearly see from oricon's half year by volume sales. So even that part is completely incorrect.
Again, please stop doing this and wait for shueisha to update their number around the end of august/beginning of september, as what you are doing does not make any sense.
Also, the yujoong undo or the ones from the other user aren't even mine lol. (KindStrangerr)
"because One Piece figures have been updated for years with circulation numbers + Oricon sales figures (for the volumes that weren't included in the circulation numbers, obviously)." How's doing something wrong for a whole year a justification to keep doing it completely wrong with actual 0 logic behind these dumb calculations, mixing copies that are already accounted for and misinformating people. It's just incredibly irrational. Rafgl12 ( talk) 16:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Mazewaxie: I'm right about the whole thing and I'm pretty perplexed that you don't understand what I'm saying. It's really not that hard, especially if you've looked at sales for a long time you'd know I'm correct here.
As for the investigation, fine, I know I don't have anything to fear since I have only used my account so the investigation will only prove me right.
I find it shocking how you are completely dismissing every single source, piece of information and data we're trying to provide you to understand that that process of adding sales to circulation numbers is completely wrong, gives incorrect and not reliable data, and hence misinforms people about actual data of the series.
As you have been explained already around 10 times, sales numbers are a sub-entity of circulation numbers. This means that circulation numbers are the total amount of copies printed physically and sold digitally, and are numbers that Shueisha, the publisher of the series, updates periodically when new volumes come out. Every single print number includes copies from the volumes in which they're announced, because print numbers are decided clearly before volumes are printed. For series such as big as One Piece is, it's pretty usual for these numbers to be rounded-down until new goals are met, so it's clearly impossible for us to actually determine the amount of copies in circulation the series has all the time. Even if this is true, and it means 470 million copies may be a rounded-down number, that alone doesn't justify at all adding copies sold when those same copies are already included in the previous number. What you're doing here is a random math calculation to increase the number, when it's actually nowhere close to reality. You're, literally, making up numbers out of a non-sensical hypothesis, and not even considering which of those copies sold belong to which volume, making the number even more messed up. That's called misinformation, and there's tons of people who're actually believing this as a source, when it's just a randomly made-up number with no actual official source that supports it at all. Instead of waiting for actual sources to confirm these numbers and data, you're just doing whatever you feel like doing with only 1 of the series in this whole list, instead of having the same treatment with the rest. But of course, that would mean making up numbers for every single series in the list, and not matching a single official source. Sounds fun.
I made this account because it was overly annoying seeing how someone was overusing his power to update and post numbers as if they were official or confirmed in a public source, and not even trying to understand for a single second what another person was trying to explain when differentiating between circulation numbers and sales. You haven't even answered to any single point any of us has made, and keep insisting in keeping up a misinformed number just for the sake of it. Good luck with the investigation. Rafgl12 ( talk) 16:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I found out that Mangazenkan has a page in which it lists the circulation figures of every manga with at least 10 million copies in print. I was thinking that we could use that website as a single source for the entire page, so that every single figure has the same reliability, similarly as how Box Office Mojo is the central source for the page List of highest-grossing films. I hope I was clear with my explanation. I'm going to tag some users active in this page so that you can express your opinion. @ KindStrangerr: @ Rafgl12: @ Xfansd: @ KeinezG: @ Maestro2016: @ Xexerss: @ Exukvera: @ Izaya DLL: @ Panda619: -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 17:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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To change dragon ball and update it JawTitan ( talk) 18:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Panda619: We're not predicting the future. 100 million copies is a number officially announced, with promotions and even campaigns from Shueisha themselves being held right now. We're talking about printed copies, not sold, hence we're not predicting any future because in order for those copies to be sold they NEED to be INHERENTLY printed. Kimetsu no Yaiba series has those 100 million copies printed, and don't need to wait for any exact date for those copies to exist. Also, may I point out the fact that I find it amusing how every series edits the exact same way, with the number being released days before the volume is officially on sale exactly because it's a circulation number, not a sales number, yet the only series that gets reverted is KnY - just yesterday I have updated neverland's number using the exact same source yet it didn't get reverted, and I did the same thing for Kingdom, MHA, and several others, as did other contributors.
This number is official. It comes from Shueisha themselves, and Shueisha doesn't say "it will have X copies on Y day", it just says it has those copies on circulation - that's just something ANN added because I'm assuming they're under the same misconception as you are. You can just scroll through the natalie article that has been used as source and notice yourself that it says "Kimetsu no yaiba has 100 million copies in circulation", not "will have". Since that "will" part is what irks you from my understanding, I will just use the original natalie comics article, which has no mention of a "future" number, and remove the ANN source.
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Slam dunk total sales are not accurate the series sold more than 160 millions... here is link from January 2017 https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2017/01/28/books/book-reviews/slam-dunk-japans-greatest-sports-manga/ (this article is actually listed as a source for slam dunk sales in the french version of the Wikipedia article)
as the article stated slam dunk sold 157 millions up to that point (January 2017) in 2018 slam dunk released new edition witch sold more than 5,200,000 copies
so thats at least 162,300,000 copies sold Mohssine ait ( talk) 19:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
If Vagabond and HxH have the "on hiatus" tag and are given end dates, then the same needs to be done for Glass Mask and Bastard!! (whose current hiatuses are even longer). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CE:200:CF30:1C26:AF63:5D57:F1AE ( talk) 22:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
I saw that not all famous Tezuka's mangas are on the list. I'm pretty sure that Kimba the White Lion and specially Phoenix (his main manga) sold over 20 million copies, but I couldn't find any source that gave the number of sales of those two. Can anyone find a reliable source for the sales of those manga? Cracker-Kun ( talk) 15:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
The page is protected and I can't edit it. Dragon Ball Super has sold 260 million copies according to the Toei Animation news of May 9, 2021 (Source: https://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/en/press/press-6953497287618550869.html). Can someone change that information and put these numbers in? -- Dark PikaDex ( talk) 19:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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The berserk author has passed away today, and in turn the manga has ended. So the serialization of the manga should be labeled as 1989-2021. JoemamaStarfish ( talk) 19:07, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I've been looking up the 157 figure on japanese sources and found nothing.
the usual circulation annoucements happen on the magazine themselves or/and reported by numerous websites such as "mantan-web.jp" or Natalie or other such reputable JP sources.
The latest news (Jan 7th 2021) covered slam dunk as 120M . i've looked around for the 157M number all around and could not find it. even on press releases it was not said.
Also Doraemon have sold over 300M in total according to the latest 2020 report. although this was published on a Japanese magazine and i cannot find a written source (Aside from Japanese manga circulation sites)
Dragon Ball Sales also exceed 300. by just simply counting the overseas it is much more then officially announced. For example here are the current numbers and sources
Asia:
Japan: 160M
South Korea 20 million copies, Source
China 10 million copies, Source
Taiwan 10M, Source
Hong Kong 8.4M, Source
Total of Asia sales:208.4M
Europe/South america:
France 35 million copies, Source Source2
Brazil 34 million, Source
Spain 20 million , Source Source2
Italy 16 million, Source
Germany 8 million, Source
Total EU/SA: 113M
Total combined:321.4M at the very least. this is not accounting for USA/SEA countries. although the US Copies are most likely counted since Viz is owned by shueisha.
At the time of the announcement of Dragon Ball Kai at the Tokyo International Anime Fair 2009 it has been announced it reached 350M there already. Source Source2 and the source is shueisha themselves. Some japanese people emailed toei and confirmed that Shueisha number is correct (Which was the source at the Kai announcement)
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I think it would be interesting to add such table at the top or the bottom.
we can work out with (Circulation/volumes) and limit it to 3M and above (as well as finished?) in order for it to not get too long.
For example
Manga | Sales Per Volume | Volumes |
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Devilman | 10M | 5 |
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba | 6.52M | 23 |
DragonBall | 6.19M | 42 |
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Sources will be the same sources as the ones on the general page. IE if dragon ball has been cited as 260M circulation then it will use 260M in the equation (260/42=6.19) to maintain consistency.
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Xexerss: you bring a good point,We don't really know how much an individual volume has sold.But circulation also doesn't tell us how much a manga has sold or sometimes Shueisha counts Spin-offs for a single series sometimes they don't (Like DB recent number). Or their worldwide counting method (some individual countries don't get counted like with MHA recently)
Then i think we should name it Average per volume?
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I do agree in that we cannot verify sales per volume,which is why i suggested the average per volume. I think its a good idea because it shows a different interpretation of the data itself for example Devilman is the best selling per average yet its nowhere near top 30. I think making a table and doing a simple note to explain it is not sales per volume would be enough and we get the benefit of both. Various editions are still of the same series,so this wouldn't really do anything to the average aside from increasing it. The only one which would do is if circulation counts spin-offs or stuff like that. which is usually not really stated by shueisha (Only in Saikyo jump recently). Shueisha circulation in general is inconsistent. For example MHA worldwide number is 13M. USA is 9M and France is at 4M IIRC. yet they don't count 2.6M+ copies sold in Thailand or near 1M in germany or 500K in korea and these aren't even recent numbers. Aside from that in general i think Average per volume would be benefical and add a different POV and interpretation to the data that otherwise people wouldn't think about.Lets see if other editors can weigh in their POV.
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I've made two examples,unsure of which one works better.The one within the table. or a separate table placed above or near the end of the page.
Manga series | Author(s) | Publisher | Demographic | No. of collected volumes |
Serialized | Approximate sales | Average per Volume |
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One Piece | Eiichiro Oda | Shueisha | Shōnen | 100 | 1997–present | 490 million† [1] [b] | 4.9M |
Golgo 13 | Takao Saito | Shogakukan | Seinen | 201 | 1968–present | 300 million† [2] | 1.49M |
Dragon Ball | Akira Toriyama | Shueisha | Shōnen | 42 | 1984–1995 | 260 million [3] [c] [d] | 6.19M |
Naruto | Masashi Kishimoto | Shueisha | Shōnen | 72 | 1999–2014 | 250 million† [10] [e] | 3.47M |
Detective Conan | Gosho Aoyama | Shogakukan | Shōnen | 99 | 1994–present | 230 million† [11] [g] | 2.32M |
Black Jack | Osamu Tezuka | Akita Shoten | Shōnen | 25 | 1973–1983 | 176 million [12] | 7.04M |
Doraemon | Fujiko F. Fujio | Shogakukan | Children | 45 | 1969–1996 | 170 million† [13] | 3.78M |
Slam Dunk | Takehiko Inoue | Shueisha | Shōnen | 31 | 1990–1996 | 157 million† [14] [h] | 5.06M |
KochiKame: Tokyo Beat Cops | Osamu Akimoto | Shueisha | Shōnen | 200 | 1976–2016 | 156.5 million† [15] [i] | 0.78M |
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba | Koyoharu Gotouge | Shueisha | Shōnen | 23 | 2016–2020 | 150 million†‡ [16] | 6.50M |
Crayon Shin-chan | Yoshito Usui | Futabasha | Seinen | 58 | 1990–present | 148 million† [j] [17] | 2.55M |
Oishinbo | Tetsu Kariya, Akira Hanasaki | Shogakukan | Seinen | 111 | 1983–2014 (on hiatus) | 135 million [18] | 1.21M |
Bleach | Tite Kubo | Shueisha | Shōnen | 74 | 2001–2016 | 120 million† [19] [k] | 1.62M |
Astro Boy | Osamu Tezuka | Kobunsha | Shōnen | 23 | 1952–1968 | 100 million [20] | 4.34M |
Attack on Titan | Hajime Isayama | Kodansha | Shōnen | 34 | 2009–2021 | 100 million†‡ [21] | 2.94M |
Fist of the North Star | Buronson, Tetsuo Hara | Shueisha | Shōnen | 27 | 1983–1988 | 100 million [22] [l] | 3.7M |
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure | Hirohiko Araki | Shueisha | Shōnen/Seinen | 131 | 1987–present | 100 million† [23] [m] | 0.73M |
The Kindaichi Case Files | Yōzaburō Kanari, Seimaru Amagi, Fumiya Satō | Kodansha | Shōnen/Seinen | 87 | 1992–present | 100 million† [24] | 1.149M |
Touch | Mitsuru Adachi | Shogakukan | Shōnen | 26 | 1981–1986 | 100 million [25] | 3.84M |
Manga | Volumes | Sales Per Volume |
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Devilman | 5 | 10M |
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba | 23 | 6.52M |
DragonBall | 42 | 6.19M |
Slam dunk | 31 | 5M |
One Piece | 100 | 4.9M |
Touch | 26 | 3.84M |
Fist of north star | 23 | 3.7M |
Naruto | 72 | 3.47M |
Keep in mind numbers aren't 100% since this is just an example i made.
If we do the first one then it would be somewhat misleading since there would be manga like devilman selling 10M but is on the second table. If we do it as a separate table then we would have to decide if we're doing for every single manga on the page or have a cutoff of 2M or so. which will decide if we place it above the tables or at the end of the page. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 04:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
References
Eiichiro Oda's One Piece manga has surpassed 490 million copies in circulation worldwide [...] That includes over 400 million in Japan and 90 million in at least 57 countries and regions overseas.
Black Jack [...] 176 million
All sources put JP circulation at 40-53M. this means atleast 122M+ comes from overseas. I think theres an error here because it has 25 volumes and it sold more then the actual worldwide hits (Dragonball,Naruto,One piece) and these have 2x/4x the volumes. And i don't think blackjack has anywhere near that worldwide awareness/popularity.
There must be an error here somewhere. I've been looking up official Japanese press numbers but i don't think there is any.
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Cosmo Sentinel: Can you look at this? please stop re-editing. A newer source could still be wrong. especially when its based on a source that changed its numbers.
WillsEdtior777 (
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18:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Nop, the figure is supported by other japanese well-sourced webs. ( https://s.animeanime.jp/article/2015/09/09/24840.html) This is the source used by the japanese wiki. Cracker-Kun ( talk) 00:12, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
There's also sources that support that number 45.64 as on here https://ebookjapan.yahoo.co.jp/content/author/legend/tezukaosamu.html The source you mentioned even the numbers per country it on another post https://animeanime.jp/article/2015/09/09/24840.html it has over 130M copies worldwide, it is simply unrealistic and impossible for a manga like this. im 100% sure its a mistake. Akita shoten didn't publish a circulation number recently but i think Annual publishing will have certain information of this. i'll try to look it up WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 16:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
If someone finds a reliable figure from Akita Shoten, Natalie, Prtimes, etc, about the total Black Jack sales, it will be fine to change it, but for the moment it should stay like this. Cracker-Kun ( talk) 16:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Yeah the problem is all of the reliable ones didn't report on it,Akita never published a circulation number either. there might be a number in the Annual publishing for japan or something of the sort. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 10:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Well it has been demostrated that the 176m figure is faulty, the Yamagata University is a pretty good source in this case, so I change it. Cracker-Kun ( talk) 13:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Should there be a distinction between sales in Japanese vs sales in English and other languages? For example, One Piece may be the most popular total but it would be interesting to see how it fares among foreign readers vs a domestic audience. 2601:346:C201:60C0:E828:34D0:CBC:4D2 ( talk) 22:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
No, worldwide circulation vs Japan domestic circulation are unreliable and don't get announced often. So a lot of manga will be left with no data of worldwide sales.
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23:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
when I read Naruto source, Shueisha edıtor says: "it's an extremely rare for Masashi Kishimoto to be doing a serialization. It isn’t common for mangaka like him, who have already sold 250 million copies worldwide, to still be active in the scene" on Additional Topics part of the interview But the guy called @ Cosmo Sentinel: is asking me who told me this?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruderhymer ( talk • contribs) 11:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't know much about this edit war,but i think it should be done alphabetically. Naruto circulation is likely higher since it wasn't updated from a while ago and conan is not ending soon. so its likely one of them will be higher then the other sooner or later. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 17:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Shuesha said during teg announcement of dragon ball kai that dragon ball had around 359 million copies, so please change the best selling manga list
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While I was searching information for this article, I found some manga with 20 million or more copies sold, and some divergent information about the sales of some series. However, I didn't put them here because the source where I found the information can't be considered reliable (depending on the series, one of those: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], 6). So I would like to share it with you in the case someone wants to do a deeper research or know a reliable source that have the same information. The possible entries (or changes that may be done) are:
--- Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 23:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
A smart user was able to prove that Reborn! data is right. I've already said that other data are probably right but we might to find sources to prove it. The IP taught us a good way. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 06:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Why not add dragon ball super chapters is ongoing manga is dragon ball franchise Nor365 ( talk) 04:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
The prince of tennis is ongoing write de same mangaka Nor365 ( talk) 06:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Recently I've found a lot of manga with more than 20 million copies, I added the ones with a good source, but I don't have a reliable source for three of them, if you find one, I would appreaciate it. The manga are: The Story of the Russo-Japanese War (20 million) and Serious! (37 million) and Shonan Bakusozoku (20 million) Cracker-Kun ( talk) 12:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Would it be possible to include entries for numbers sold in Japan vs overseas sales? It would be interesting to see what's appreciated by different countries. 2601:346:C201:60C0:150B:639C:C734:3F6C ( talk) 19:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
According to the Japanese wiki,the manga silent service has sold 25 millions of copies: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B2%88%E9%BB%99%E3%81%AE%E8%89%A6%E9%9A%8A
also this list mention master keaton with 20 millions of copies sold: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lNqcny19R88mhxOZ-c3Ze22wbpeGdQZYoPNVYZV2YiM/edit#gid=0
Should they be added?
@ Xfansd: Why by highest estimate? In highest selling consoles, for example, we go by lowest. Smeagol 17 ( talk) 16:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Surprised not to see the Pokemon Adventures Manga no where on the list. Considering the Pokemon franchise is the highest grossing media franchise and it's sales via manga is $1.46 billion, you'd think it would appear promptly on this list. Though that includes all manga sales, the Pokemon adventures manga is it's most notable series and longest running, still ongoing at 53 volumes since 1997. 98.113.165.58 ( talk) 21:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Main characters are the same, universe is the same... Just differently named. Shouldn't we combine them? Setenzatsu.2 ( talk) 06:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@ KindStrangerr: One Piece reached 390 million copies in circulation in Japan in December 2019 (see here and here), before the release of volumes 95 and 96. In April of 2020, it was announced that the series reached 80 million copies in print overseas (see here), without updating the 390 million figure. At the end of May 2020, Oricon announced that One Piece sold 4,885,538 copies in the first half of 2020 (see here and here), bringing the total to 474,885,538, rounded to 475 million copies.
I posted this here to avoid more reverted edits. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Mazewaxie: You do not seem to understand how circulation numbers work. I'm going to try to explain it to you once again and hopefully this time you'll get it.
Let's start from the december number. This is from the end of december, right before the release of volume 95; why is that? Because the number was revealed on the Obi of volume 95, the image that I showed you. This happened after all the copies for volume 95 were already printed, sent to the stores and added to the circulation; therefore any and all sales derived from this volume are already included in this number. Don't believe me? See:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2019-11-07/one-piece-manga-has-460-million-copies-in-print-worldwide/.153030
In particular, "Eiichiro Oda's One Piece manga will have more than 460 million copies in print worldwide when the 95th volume ships on December 28". Notice how it specifies it will include volume 95? That's because circulation includes the upcoming volume as shueisha obviously knows how much they have printed for it, and circulation does not refer to copies SOLD but to copies PRINTED(with the addition of digital sales in some cases), which are obviously going to include sold copies because you can't sell copies that weren't printed beforehand.
As for how the 390 million number didn't change, it could very well just be a matter of rounding (as in 388 mln at the time of volume 95, 391mln at the time of volume 96), it's unimportant as shueisha specifies their numbers include these volumes AS I HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES. You can't look at everyone reporting "this figure includes volume 96" from shueisha themselves and just reply with "it doesn't because I say so".
If you have added oricon numbers to circulation numbers for one piece for years then I'm sorry but you have made a mistake for years as that doesn't make a mistake and is a nonsensical thing to do as, again, circulation includes first print of the upcoming volume, therefore sales numbers are already included in this circulation number as they cannot possibly be any higher than the amount of copies that got printed.
Lastly, even if it did make sense (and it doesn't), you didn't even count the volumes properly, as the combined sales of volumes 95 and 96 are only around 3.5mln and the rest is backlog sales, as you can very clearly see from oricon's half year by volume sales. So even that part is completely incorrect.
Again, please stop doing this and wait for shueisha to update their number around the end of august/beginning of september, as what you are doing does not make any sense.
Also, the yujoong undo or the ones from the other user aren't even mine lol. (KindStrangerr)
"because One Piece figures have been updated for years with circulation numbers + Oricon sales figures (for the volumes that weren't included in the circulation numbers, obviously)." How's doing something wrong for a whole year a justification to keep doing it completely wrong with actual 0 logic behind these dumb calculations, mixing copies that are already accounted for and misinformating people. It's just incredibly irrational. Rafgl12 ( talk) 16:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Mazewaxie: I'm right about the whole thing and I'm pretty perplexed that you don't understand what I'm saying. It's really not that hard, especially if you've looked at sales for a long time you'd know I'm correct here.
As for the investigation, fine, I know I don't have anything to fear since I have only used my account so the investigation will only prove me right.
I find it shocking how you are completely dismissing every single source, piece of information and data we're trying to provide you to understand that that process of adding sales to circulation numbers is completely wrong, gives incorrect and not reliable data, and hence misinforms people about actual data of the series.
As you have been explained already around 10 times, sales numbers are a sub-entity of circulation numbers. This means that circulation numbers are the total amount of copies printed physically and sold digitally, and are numbers that Shueisha, the publisher of the series, updates periodically when new volumes come out. Every single print number includes copies from the volumes in which they're announced, because print numbers are decided clearly before volumes are printed. For series such as big as One Piece is, it's pretty usual for these numbers to be rounded-down until new goals are met, so it's clearly impossible for us to actually determine the amount of copies in circulation the series has all the time. Even if this is true, and it means 470 million copies may be a rounded-down number, that alone doesn't justify at all adding copies sold when those same copies are already included in the previous number. What you're doing here is a random math calculation to increase the number, when it's actually nowhere close to reality. You're, literally, making up numbers out of a non-sensical hypothesis, and not even considering which of those copies sold belong to which volume, making the number even more messed up. That's called misinformation, and there's tons of people who're actually believing this as a source, when it's just a randomly made-up number with no actual official source that supports it at all. Instead of waiting for actual sources to confirm these numbers and data, you're just doing whatever you feel like doing with only 1 of the series in this whole list, instead of having the same treatment with the rest. But of course, that would mean making up numbers for every single series in the list, and not matching a single official source. Sounds fun.
I made this account because it was overly annoying seeing how someone was overusing his power to update and post numbers as if they were official or confirmed in a public source, and not even trying to understand for a single second what another person was trying to explain when differentiating between circulation numbers and sales. You haven't even answered to any single point any of us has made, and keep insisting in keeping up a misinformed number just for the sake of it. Good luck with the investigation. Rafgl12 ( talk) 16:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I found out that Mangazenkan has a page in which it lists the circulation figures of every manga with at least 10 million copies in print. I was thinking that we could use that website as a single source for the entire page, so that every single figure has the same reliability, similarly as how Box Office Mojo is the central source for the page List of highest-grossing films. I hope I was clear with my explanation. I'm going to tag some users active in this page so that you can express your opinion. @ KindStrangerr: @ Rafgl12: @ Xfansd: @ KeinezG: @ Maestro2016: @ Xexerss: @ Exukvera: @ Izaya DLL: @ Panda619: -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 17:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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To change dragon ball and update it JawTitan ( talk) 18:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Panda619: We're not predicting the future. 100 million copies is a number officially announced, with promotions and even campaigns from Shueisha themselves being held right now. We're talking about printed copies, not sold, hence we're not predicting any future because in order for those copies to be sold they NEED to be INHERENTLY printed. Kimetsu no Yaiba series has those 100 million copies printed, and don't need to wait for any exact date for those copies to exist. Also, may I point out the fact that I find it amusing how every series edits the exact same way, with the number being released days before the volume is officially on sale exactly because it's a circulation number, not a sales number, yet the only series that gets reverted is KnY - just yesterday I have updated neverland's number using the exact same source yet it didn't get reverted, and I did the same thing for Kingdom, MHA, and several others, as did other contributors.
This number is official. It comes from Shueisha themselves, and Shueisha doesn't say "it will have X copies on Y day", it just says it has those copies on circulation - that's just something ANN added because I'm assuming they're under the same misconception as you are. You can just scroll through the natalie article that has been used as source and notice yourself that it says "Kimetsu no yaiba has 100 million copies in circulation", not "will have". Since that "will" part is what irks you from my understanding, I will just use the original natalie comics article, which has no mention of a "future" number, and remove the ANN source.
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Slam dunk total sales are not accurate the series sold more than 160 millions... here is link from January 2017 https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2017/01/28/books/book-reviews/slam-dunk-japans-greatest-sports-manga/ (this article is actually listed as a source for slam dunk sales in the french version of the Wikipedia article)
as the article stated slam dunk sold 157 millions up to that point (January 2017) in 2018 slam dunk released new edition witch sold more than 5,200,000 copies
so thats at least 162,300,000 copies sold Mohssine ait ( talk) 19:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
If Vagabond and HxH have the "on hiatus" tag and are given end dates, then the same needs to be done for Glass Mask and Bastard!! (whose current hiatuses are even longer). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CE:200:CF30:1C26:AF63:5D57:F1AE ( talk) 22:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
I saw that not all famous Tezuka's mangas are on the list. I'm pretty sure that Kimba the White Lion and specially Phoenix (his main manga) sold over 20 million copies, but I couldn't find any source that gave the number of sales of those two. Can anyone find a reliable source for the sales of those manga? Cracker-Kun ( talk) 15:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
The page is protected and I can't edit it. Dragon Ball Super has sold 260 million copies according to the Toei Animation news of May 9, 2021 (Source: https://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/en/press/press-6953497287618550869.html). Can someone change that information and put these numbers in? -- Dark PikaDex ( talk) 19:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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The berserk author has passed away today, and in turn the manga has ended. So the serialization of the manga should be labeled as 1989-2021. JoemamaStarfish ( talk) 19:07, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I've been looking up the 157 figure on japanese sources and found nothing.
the usual circulation annoucements happen on the magazine themselves or/and reported by numerous websites such as "mantan-web.jp" or Natalie or other such reputable JP sources.
The latest news (Jan 7th 2021) covered slam dunk as 120M . i've looked around for the 157M number all around and could not find it. even on press releases it was not said.
Also Doraemon have sold over 300M in total according to the latest 2020 report. although this was published on a Japanese magazine and i cannot find a written source (Aside from Japanese manga circulation sites)
Dragon Ball Sales also exceed 300. by just simply counting the overseas it is much more then officially announced. For example here are the current numbers and sources
Asia:
Japan: 160M
South Korea 20 million copies, Source
China 10 million copies, Source
Taiwan 10M, Source
Hong Kong 8.4M, Source
Total of Asia sales:208.4M
Europe/South america:
France 35 million copies, Source Source2
Brazil 34 million, Source
Spain 20 million , Source Source2
Italy 16 million, Source
Germany 8 million, Source
Total EU/SA: 113M
Total combined:321.4M at the very least. this is not accounting for USA/SEA countries. although the US Copies are most likely counted since Viz is owned by shueisha.
At the time of the announcement of Dragon Ball Kai at the Tokyo International Anime Fair 2009 it has been announced it reached 350M there already. Source Source2 and the source is shueisha themselves. Some japanese people emailed toei and confirmed that Shueisha number is correct (Which was the source at the Kai announcement)
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I think it would be interesting to add such table at the top or the bottom.
we can work out with (Circulation/volumes) and limit it to 3M and above (as well as finished?) in order for it to not get too long.
For example
Manga | Sales Per Volume | Volumes |
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Devilman | 10M | 5 |
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba | 6.52M | 23 |
DragonBall | 6.19M | 42 |
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Sources will be the same sources as the ones on the general page. IE if dragon ball has been cited as 260M circulation then it will use 260M in the equation (260/42=6.19) to maintain consistency.
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Xexerss: you bring a good point,We don't really know how much an individual volume has sold.But circulation also doesn't tell us how much a manga has sold or sometimes Shueisha counts Spin-offs for a single series sometimes they don't (Like DB recent number). Or their worldwide counting method (some individual countries don't get counted like with MHA recently)
Then i think we should name it Average per volume?
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I do agree in that we cannot verify sales per volume,which is why i suggested the average per volume. I think its a good idea because it shows a different interpretation of the data itself for example Devilman is the best selling per average yet its nowhere near top 30. I think making a table and doing a simple note to explain it is not sales per volume would be enough and we get the benefit of both. Various editions are still of the same series,so this wouldn't really do anything to the average aside from increasing it. The only one which would do is if circulation counts spin-offs or stuff like that. which is usually not really stated by shueisha (Only in Saikyo jump recently). Shueisha circulation in general is inconsistent. For example MHA worldwide number is 13M. USA is 9M and France is at 4M IIRC. yet they don't count 2.6M+ copies sold in Thailand or near 1M in germany or 500K in korea and these aren't even recent numbers. Aside from that in general i think Average per volume would be benefical and add a different POV and interpretation to the data that otherwise people wouldn't think about.Lets see if other editors can weigh in their POV.
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I've made two examples,unsure of which one works better.The one within the table. or a separate table placed above or near the end of the page.
Manga series | Author(s) | Publisher | Demographic | No. of collected volumes |
Serialized | Approximate sales | Average per Volume |
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One Piece | Eiichiro Oda | Shueisha | Shōnen | 100 | 1997–present | 490 million† [1] [b] | 4.9M |
Golgo 13 | Takao Saito | Shogakukan | Seinen | 201 | 1968–present | 300 million† [2] | 1.49M |
Dragon Ball | Akira Toriyama | Shueisha | Shōnen | 42 | 1984–1995 | 260 million [3] [c] [d] | 6.19M |
Naruto | Masashi Kishimoto | Shueisha | Shōnen | 72 | 1999–2014 | 250 million† [10] [e] | 3.47M |
Detective Conan | Gosho Aoyama | Shogakukan | Shōnen | 99 | 1994–present | 230 million† [11] [g] | 2.32M |
Black Jack | Osamu Tezuka | Akita Shoten | Shōnen | 25 | 1973–1983 | 176 million [12] | 7.04M |
Doraemon | Fujiko F. Fujio | Shogakukan | Children | 45 | 1969–1996 | 170 million† [13] | 3.78M |
Slam Dunk | Takehiko Inoue | Shueisha | Shōnen | 31 | 1990–1996 | 157 million† [14] [h] | 5.06M |
KochiKame: Tokyo Beat Cops | Osamu Akimoto | Shueisha | Shōnen | 200 | 1976–2016 | 156.5 million† [15] [i] | 0.78M |
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba | Koyoharu Gotouge | Shueisha | Shōnen | 23 | 2016–2020 | 150 million†‡ [16] | 6.50M |
Crayon Shin-chan | Yoshito Usui | Futabasha | Seinen | 58 | 1990–present | 148 million† [j] [17] | 2.55M |
Oishinbo | Tetsu Kariya, Akira Hanasaki | Shogakukan | Seinen | 111 | 1983–2014 (on hiatus) | 135 million [18] | 1.21M |
Bleach | Tite Kubo | Shueisha | Shōnen | 74 | 2001–2016 | 120 million† [19] [k] | 1.62M |
Astro Boy | Osamu Tezuka | Kobunsha | Shōnen | 23 | 1952–1968 | 100 million [20] | 4.34M |
Attack on Titan | Hajime Isayama | Kodansha | Shōnen | 34 | 2009–2021 | 100 million†‡ [21] | 2.94M |
Fist of the North Star | Buronson, Tetsuo Hara | Shueisha | Shōnen | 27 | 1983–1988 | 100 million [22] [l] | 3.7M |
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure | Hirohiko Araki | Shueisha | Shōnen/Seinen | 131 | 1987–present | 100 million† [23] [m] | 0.73M |
The Kindaichi Case Files | Yōzaburō Kanari, Seimaru Amagi, Fumiya Satō | Kodansha | Shōnen/Seinen | 87 | 1992–present | 100 million† [24] | 1.149M |
Touch | Mitsuru Adachi | Shogakukan | Shōnen | 26 | 1981–1986 | 100 million [25] | 3.84M |
Manga | Volumes | Sales Per Volume |
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Devilman | 5 | 10M |
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba | 23 | 6.52M |
DragonBall | 42 | 6.19M |
Slam dunk | 31 | 5M |
One Piece | 100 | 4.9M |
Touch | 26 | 3.84M |
Fist of north star | 23 | 3.7M |
Naruto | 72 | 3.47M |
Keep in mind numbers aren't 100% since this is just an example i made.
If we do the first one then it would be somewhat misleading since there would be manga like devilman selling 10M but is on the second table. If we do it as a separate table then we would have to decide if we're doing for every single manga on the page or have a cutoff of 2M or so. which will decide if we place it above the tables or at the end of the page. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 04:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
References
Eiichiro Oda's One Piece manga has surpassed 490 million copies in circulation worldwide [...] That includes over 400 million in Japan and 90 million in at least 57 countries and regions overseas.
Black Jack [...] 176 million
All sources put JP circulation at 40-53M. this means atleast 122M+ comes from overseas. I think theres an error here because it has 25 volumes and it sold more then the actual worldwide hits (Dragonball,Naruto,One piece) and these have 2x/4x the volumes. And i don't think blackjack has anywhere near that worldwide awareness/popularity.
There must be an error here somewhere. I've been looking up official Japanese press numbers but i don't think there is any.
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Cosmo Sentinel: Can you look at this? please stop re-editing. A newer source could still be wrong. especially when its based on a source that changed its numbers.
WillsEdtior777 (
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18:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Nop, the figure is supported by other japanese well-sourced webs. ( https://s.animeanime.jp/article/2015/09/09/24840.html) This is the source used by the japanese wiki. Cracker-Kun ( talk) 00:12, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
There's also sources that support that number 45.64 as on here https://ebookjapan.yahoo.co.jp/content/author/legend/tezukaosamu.html The source you mentioned even the numbers per country it on another post https://animeanime.jp/article/2015/09/09/24840.html it has over 130M copies worldwide, it is simply unrealistic and impossible for a manga like this. im 100% sure its a mistake. Akita shoten didn't publish a circulation number recently but i think Annual publishing will have certain information of this. i'll try to look it up WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 16:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
If someone finds a reliable figure from Akita Shoten, Natalie, Prtimes, etc, about the total Black Jack sales, it will be fine to change it, but for the moment it should stay like this. Cracker-Kun ( talk) 16:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Yeah the problem is all of the reliable ones didn't report on it,Akita never published a circulation number either. there might be a number in the Annual publishing for japan or something of the sort. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 10:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Well it has been demostrated that the 176m figure is faulty, the Yamagata University is a pretty good source in this case, so I change it. Cracker-Kun ( talk) 13:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Should there be a distinction between sales in Japanese vs sales in English and other languages? For example, One Piece may be the most popular total but it would be interesting to see how it fares among foreign readers vs a domestic audience. 2601:346:C201:60C0:E828:34D0:CBC:4D2 ( talk) 22:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
No, worldwide circulation vs Japan domestic circulation are unreliable and don't get announced often. So a lot of manga will be left with no data of worldwide sales.
WillsEdtior777 (
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23:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
when I read Naruto source, Shueisha edıtor says: "it's an extremely rare for Masashi Kishimoto to be doing a serialization. It isn’t common for mangaka like him, who have already sold 250 million copies worldwide, to still be active in the scene" on Additional Topics part of the interview But the guy called @ Cosmo Sentinel: is asking me who told me this?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruderhymer ( talk • contribs) 11:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't know much about this edit war,but i think it should be done alphabetically. Naruto circulation is likely higher since it wasn't updated from a while ago and conan is not ending soon. so its likely one of them will be higher then the other sooner or later. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 17:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Shuesha said during teg announcement of dragon ball kai that dragon ball had around 359 million copies, so please change the best selling manga list
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