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Inaccurate number of albums sold.
Since 2005, the quantity of Bad albums sold by Michael Jackson has been inflated by several users without any proper reference, probably in an effort to promote the artist. As we can see in the article History the figure has been constantly modified ( [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24]... etc, etc). If we analyze these sources (for example: [25]), it is more than evident that they were written by individuals that are not experts on the topic and probably are just music fans. Wikipedia is built with secondary sources and is our job as editors to prevent biases in the articles.
Therefore, I suggest using a more stable figure of albums sold, which are the 30-35 million copies, and that is supported by several reliable sources [in multiple languages] (english: MTV ASIA 30 million (2012), BBC News 30 million (2012), Los Angeles Times 30 million (2012)... etc. Additionally, I suggest adding a note indicating that according to ImpreMedia, the 40-45 million albums sold is an inflated figure. As we know, this is a usual practice in the music industry to promote artists ( Billboard and Spin). Thanks and best regards, Chrishonduras ( talk) 04:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
can someone please fix Michael Jackson Dangerous sales,,,,,,,,,,,,,they say 30,32,28 million ,,,,,,,,,leave it as ONE reliable source which the article referenced on the list as 32 millino,,,,,,thank you-- 65.8.190.28 ( talk) 21:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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I can not believe I've editors so ignorant. Thriller sold over 104 million albums around the world according to Guinness World Records, Bad sold over 45 million units according to Sony, and MJ sold over 1 billion records worldwide. If they do it well edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.54.144.38 ( talk) 11:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
To other editor, perhaps especially to Mauri, i need your opinion. What do you think about Eagles's Hotel California 32m-claim from this source ( http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110929/A_ENTERTAIN/109290308) is this reliable ?
Need Advice?. thanks Politsi ( talk) 07:25, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Dookie by Green Day sold over 26.000.000 copies worldwide — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.91.71.39 ( talk) 16:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
what do you think about this source, 20m-claim ( http://bothners.co.za/products/green-days-tre-cools-signature-series-zildjian-practice-pads/). thanks Politsi ( talk) 05:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Why?
There is no consensus for these opinions.
Why should Wikipedia conform to these artificial 'rules'? 88.104.28.176 ( talk) 02:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
http://avaxhome.bz/music/MJacksonHIStory.html,,,,,,, I need an editors opinion if this is good enough source for Michael Jackson album,,,History,,,,thank you,,,,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 19:03, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
http://www.modernghana.com/news/224213/1/sudden-departure-of-michael-jackson.html.... what about this source for m. Jackson - History...your opinion please,,,.thanks,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 10:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/1997/06/19/ent_210096.shtml,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this one is a news article, does not cite Wikipedia and says Michael Jackson sold more than 20 million, can any editor give me his opinion about this one,,,,,,thank you,,,,,,,,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 17:55, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
This billboard article proves that HIStory was certified twice in the USA. [26] "See this talk [27]" Even if only the USA counts certifications twice, that would still leave that album with 9.1 certified sales, not enough for the 20 million claim. -- Watquaza ( talk) 02:37, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
USA - 7 million (as of 1999), EU - 6 million (dated, but all that exists for now). Other available certifications: Japan - 750K, Australia - 560K, Canada - 400K, New Zealand - 150K, Argentina - 40K, Brazil - 40K, Mexico - 30K.
+ 4 million in re-release between 2001-2010: Approx. 250K certified in UK as of 2009 (Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/mar/16/features.musicmonthly20#article_continue) and approx 990K sold in USA as of 2009 (Source: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/photos/stylus/97334-michaeljackson_pp_03l.jpg coupled with: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1616273/michael-jackson-dominates-charts-third-week.jhtml). [Note these only include sales up to the third week following Jackson's death but are all that are available online as of now].
In "The Wall's" article yes, but not here. Please check the "Total Certified copies" of The Wall in this article. Actual sales are listed as 11.5 million in the US not as 23 million, and it should be the same with HIStory. We're not counting each CD as a unit or a record in this page. -- Watquaza ( talk) 20:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
argentina 60,000 australia 560,000 austria 100,000 brazil 100,000 canada 500,000 denmark 250,000 europe 6,000,000 finland 61,352 france 1,000,000 germany 1,500,000 japan 400,000 mexico 100,000 netherlands 300,000 new zealand 135,000 norway 50,000poland 100,000 sweden 100,000 switzerland 150,000 uk 1,200,000 us 7,000,000 Total: 14,855,000,,,,,,,,this is from the Wikipedia page on Mj History past, present, future,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 14:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
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http://fanofmusic.free.fr/index.php?m=Charts&s=BestSellers&p=BestSellers&Act=121 .... think this is good for citing,,that History past present and future has sold 20 million albums,,,,-- 65.8.188.55 ( talk) 17:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC) http://avaxhome.bz/music/MJacksonHIStory.html this is another source that can be used,,,,,-- 65.8.188.32 ( talk) 23:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
hi maybe this will help , I was looking at the archive 10 and found the below description which apparently solved the problem for History album ( I cut and paste it ) so that it can be useful in solving this same problem again I would have solved this but I (don't) cant edit semi protected page,,thank you,,,,,,,,,,-- 65.8.189.36 ( talk) 11:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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normally don't edit this list, but I came across this reverted edit by Watquaza. HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I was released in 1995 and needs the 20 million claim to be supported by 57.5% certified sales (or 11.5 million in certified units). The album, in fact, has 12.6 million in certified units available. 7x Platinum (or 7 million units) in USA 3x Platinum (or 1.5 million units) in Germany 4x Platinum (or 1.2 million units) in the UK Diamond (or 1 million) in France 5x Platinum (or 500,000 units) in Canada 8x Platinum (or 560,000 units) in Australia 3x Platinum (or 300,000 units) in Spain 3x Platinum (or 150,000 units) in Switzerland 2x Platinum (or 100,000 units) in Austria Platinum (or 100,000 units) in Sweden Platinum (or 100,000 units) in Poland 9x Platinum (or 135,000 units) in New Zealand The total from the markets above comes down to 12.6. Actually, it's also gone 3x Platinum (300,000 units) in the Netherlands, and Gold in Mexico (100,000 units), neither one's database functions at the moment.--Harout72 (talk) 00:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC) |
What about Pink Floyd's The Wall, Garth Brooks Double Live, The Beatles's White album, Billy Joel's Greatest Hits??? All those releases were before September 1996 and still counted twice. -- Watquaza ( talk) 04:27, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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12:34, 12 April 2013 (UTC)In my opinion, the practice of dividing the number of the U.S. Platinum-awards for Double-CDs by two, should be abandoned at this list. It shouldn't matter how the RIAA certifies the Double-CDs that have a run time of 100 minutes or more. When a Double-CD album gets certified 22x Platinum in U.S. (for example), then it should be listed as 22 million certified units, regardless of whether the CD-case contains more than one CD inside, and each has been counted towards certification. That's not our concern.
1) The certified sales column requires information about certified units, it doesn't ask how many CD cases have been sold, it asks how many Platinum-awards it's received and what those Platinum-awards represent in terms of units when converted. 2) When news agencies contact artists' record companies to get information about a particular album's sales, the record company might simply tell the new service that the album has been certified 22x Platinum by RIAA, for 22 million CDs. The record companies, most probably won't get into such detailed explanation, that Double-CD albums with a run time of 100 minutes or more are certified differently for such and such reasons. They always try to inflate the number of sold units, so why go through all that trouble.
Dividing Double-Cds the way it's being done here at this list, is causing unnecessary restrictions. I'm personally not practicing this system at the List of best-selling music artists.-- Harout72 ( talk) 05:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the above editors position, ,,,,,--
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Dear Editor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.74.89.226 ( talk) 09:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Dear Editor
On elton johns web page it says GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD HAS SOLD 31 million copies from a reliable source yet it never been on the best sellers page-why .ELTON JOHNS GREATEST HITS HAS SOLD 17M in the states ,rule of thumb means its usually sold close to that outside the states and for quite sometime wiki posted it had sold over 32million but again neither album made the best sellers list.Acase could be made for the LION KING at over 11 million in the states it would be over 20 million worldwide considering the success LK around the world 121.74.89.226 ( talk) 10:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Tony
Artist | Album | Released | Genre |
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Bee Gees / Various artists | Saturday Night Fever | 1977 | Disco | 40 million [7] [8] |
Artist | Album | Released | Genre |
Total certified units ( from available markets) |
Claimed sales |
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Pink Floyd | The Wall | 1979 | Progressive rock | 30 million (60 million units?)
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Various artists | Grease | 1978 | Pop rock, rock and roll | 28 million [16] |
Although there's no confirmed source to state 30m sales, ABBA Gold has certified sales of 23.5m http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABBA_Gold:_Greatest_Hits. See also http://abbasales.hpage.com. ( Coachtripfan ( talk) 19:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC))
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hello i am here to say that Madonna Ray of light album has been removed from this page. it has sold 20 million copies and therefore should be in it. the BBC and VH1! including other magazines and companies have listed its sales at 20 million. only a few have listed it as 16. on her discography its also listed as 20. i request it be added please. also i have noticed a number of people have complained about this figure and asked why the album is NOT on the page. Michaelowen252598 ( talk) 21:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hello i am here to say that Madonna Ray of light album has been removed from this page. it has sold 20 million copies and therefore should be in it. the BBC and VH1! including other magazines and companies have listed its sales at 20 million. only a few have listed it as 16. on her discography its also listed as 20. i request it be added please. also i have noticed a number of people have complained about this figure and asked why the album is NOT on the page Michaelowen252598 ( talk) 21:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Ray of Light SOLD 20 MILLION http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/150058.stm (BBC) and http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2012-03-30/madonna-top-controversies/ (VH1) MoreMoneyGomes ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
LOOK http://www.abpd.org.br/certificados_interna.asp and http://www.abpd.org.br/niveis_de_certificacao.asp The Bodyguard was certificed by 100M — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoreMoneyGomes ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Please change directly on the [117] Listing of most commercial album because the album at this location has sold 24 million so far and not 20 as stated. This can be confirmed by the official site which has been built from Wikipedia for the discography of Britney Spears [17] 212.205.0.10 ( talk) 09:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Dear Editor I write once again to ask why when on wiki pages on elton johns goodbye yellow brick road and greatest hits both with worldwide sales in excess of 31 million neither album appears on best selling albums list WHY! 121.75.90.113 ( talk) 09:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Both of this albums previously listed in the 30m-list, but why now down to 26m? Please advice, any editor please?.. thanks Politsi ( talk) 11:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for answering my question buddy. Actually, I really like this list in the past and really care about the contain in this list. That's why, if you look at the most of the albums claim source. The source mostly new and more reliable, it's because of me.
But now, this list is so confusing and un-tidy, un-like the list of List of best-selling music artists where User:Harout72 handle that list with highy care and perfect. I help him to re-new all the source inside, make it more complete.
Mauri, i really appreciated your work in here. But to be honest and i'm sorry to say. For me, this list now look un-reliable. Politsi ( talk) 01:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, I think the 20 million number given to HIStory was something someone pulled out of their butt. I've no doubt HIStory sold a lot especially in Europe but I don't know the exact sales estimates. But I somehow doubt it sold that much or even shipped that much, since some numbers come from album shipments. BrothaTimothy ( talk · contribs) 16:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I always hate a claim source from The Daily Telegraph (U.K) many times i have found a stupid claim from their stupid editor.
like 220m-sales of Adele's 21 ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9450131/Singer-Adele-babysits-for-a-strangers-child-at-high-street-cafe.html) to 120m-sales career of Beyonce ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9896887/Beyonce-agreed-to-sing-at-local-UK-carnival-but-only-for-50000-fee.html)
In the List of Best Selling Music Artist, i've been doing by my best to kick out all source from The Telegraph, and I will do it the same thing in this list. Politsi ( talk) 01:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Dear Mauri, i just wanted to pointed out that not only The Telegraph (U.K) is a stupid news source, but also Forbes same stupid as well . this is the fact, please read it ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/willburns/2012/02/02/the-sgt-pepper-brand-liberated-the-beatles-does-your-brand-liberate-you/) / (has sold over 32 million copies, according to Wikipedia).
So that, i suggest to put Bad only with 30m-claim from L.A Times ( http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/18/entertainment/la-et-ms-michael-jacksons-bad-25-is-it-worth-your-money-20120918) it will be better.
what do you think? Politsi ( talk) 11:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
There is no way that 'Back In Black' by AC/DC sold over 20 Million copies, outside the USA. I study Singles & Albums Charts from all over the World, & the AC/DC Album simply did not do well enough, to have such sales. For example, it was No.1 for 2 Weeks in the UK, (1980), but it was only the 38th UK Best Seller of that Year, & it did not stay in the Charts for very long. Indeed, it was not No.1 in most Countries, & nor did it stay in those Charts for very long. It simply cannot have sold 20 Million+ outside the USA.
Nor can 'Greatest Hits 1971 - 1975', by The Eagles, have sold 13 Million outside the USA. It did not even reach the Top 10 in most Countries. It was a UK No.2 Album, (1976), & it was the 9th UK Best Seller of that Year, but it was not very high in most Countries Year End Best Sellers of 1976. It can't have sold more than about 2 or 3 Million outside the USA.
Also, despite claims that it sold 20 Million, there is no way that Blondie's 'Parallel Lines' sold that many around the World. The UK was one of the few Countries where it reached No.1. It reached No.6 in the USA. It was not huge in the vast bulk of Countries. Its 20 Million Sales are a big exaggeration. As to Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' having claims of 110 Million+ given for it - that claim is about 40 to 45 Million too high. The claim has been looked at over & over, & I know of no-one who can tabulate more than 70 Million Sales for it. Others say 65 Million. Sony Music just plucked 40 Million extra Sales out of thin air, and they are now quoted, by the Media, as if they are set in stone - rather than a load of made up nonsense..... 86.13.2.211 ( talk) 08:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Mauri, If you still confuse to put AC/DC's Back in Black in the list because their low certification sales worldwide. Why you not put that album with only 40 million-claim. You can use this source ( http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/acdc-still-shakin-all-night-long/story-e6frea6u-1111117882117) or this ( http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/music-news/acdc-shun-digital-sales-to-go-995368). I understand you still mad on me, because I mock this list but please bear in mind I still care with the contain inside. Politsi ( talk) 01:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Mauri, to be honest. Most of the source that you put recently in this list, is not reliable enough. I think a claim figure stated from Tabloid Newspaper is still the most reliable one but is all your decision.
By the way, what do you think about this source for Adele's 21. ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-louie-xiv/adele-21-album_b_2911113.html) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politsi ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that the most recent news sources put sales of Nirvana's Nevermind at 30 million. Heres one example from Billboard. [29] I think the claimed sales should be adjusted accordingly. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 14:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
can someone with edit ability please change this,,,,,,-- 65.8.189.214 ( talk) 23:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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For The Album Bat Out Of Hell to be changed to sold to 43 million copies and not 30 million copies JoshwaaFilms ( talk) 08:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Should add two albums by Celine Dion to the list. All the Way... A Decade of Song (1999) has sold 21.5 mln. copies, source: http://books.google.com.ua/books?id=wA8EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&lr=&hl=pl&rview=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false and The Colour of My Love has sold 20 mln. copies, source: http://www.chartsinfrance.net/Celine-Dion/news-70887.html. Also, her Falling Into You has sold 32 mln. copies and not 30, there are a lot of sources, here's one of them: http://www.everyhit.co.uk/recordalb.html. And her Let's Talk About Love has sold 31 mln. copies and not 30 as mentioned in the list, use the previous link. Thank you. Alone Highway ( talk) 09:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
sorry buddy, but your two sources for all the way and the colour of my love is un-reliable. beside their certification sales is not enough to support the 20m-claim.
and I'm the one who put Falling Into You and Lets talk about love to 30m-seller. Its because more reliable to that figure sales. Politsi ( talk) 16:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The album has sold 40 million worldwide, as stated in the Guinness book of records.
The 30 million it was changed to was from an unreliable source and now it has been changed to 28 million??? It's their Backstreet's Back (Backstreet Boys in the US) that sold 28-32 million. Millennium has sold 40 million. Infact, the 40 million figure was reached in between 2005 and 2007, the album may be closer to 50 million now, as it still continues to sell on iTunes.
It needs to changed back to 40 million!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 19:17, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Also, the source you have for 28 million is from the year 2000, one year after its release and more importantly, 13 YEARS AGO!!!
Here are some reliable sources with the 40 million from years after the 28 million source: http://www.mtv.com/artists/backstreet-boys/biography/ http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/Backstreet-Boys-tickets/artist/781254 http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/whats-the-biggest-selling-album-of-all-time/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 20:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
The Guinness book of records in 2008 stated 40 million. Therefore its 40 million. I don't get how you can not put this as 40 million, when there are albums above this that have their certified sales less that half the figure on here?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 09:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
It sold 40 million. I'd rather believe MTV, ABC, 4Music, Jive, BBC etc than Wikipedia anyway. The whole list is completely unreliable. And like I say Millennium at 28 million is completely wrong, it's 40 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.70.219.51 ( talk) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Mauri, i hope you answer my question. why you let The Dark Side of the Moon still stand with 45m-claim?. I've been put that album with 40m-claim because that figure is more reliable. need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 16:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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Inaccurate number of albums sold.
Since 2005, the quantity of Bad albums sold by Michael Jackson has been inflated by several users without any proper reference, probably in an effort to promote the artist. As we can see in the article History the figure has been constantly modified ( [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24]... etc, etc). If we analyze these sources (for example: [25]), it is more than evident that they were written by individuals that are not experts on the topic and probably are just music fans. Wikipedia is built with secondary sources and is our job as editors to prevent biases in the articles.
Therefore, I suggest using a more stable figure of albums sold, which are the 30-35 million copies, and that is supported by several reliable sources [in multiple languages] (english: MTV ASIA 30 million (2012), BBC News 30 million (2012), Los Angeles Times 30 million (2012)... etc. Additionally, I suggest adding a note indicating that according to ImpreMedia, the 40-45 million albums sold is an inflated figure. As we know, this is a usual practice in the music industry to promote artists ( Billboard and Spin). Thanks and best regards, Chrishonduras ( talk) 04:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
can someone please fix Michael Jackson Dangerous sales,,,,,,,,,,,,,they say 30,32,28 million ,,,,,,,,,leave it as ONE reliable source which the article referenced on the list as 32 millino,,,,,,thank you-- 65.8.190.28 ( talk) 21:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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I can not believe I've editors so ignorant. Thriller sold over 104 million albums around the world according to Guinness World Records, Bad sold over 45 million units according to Sony, and MJ sold over 1 billion records worldwide. If they do it well edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.54.144.38 ( talk) 11:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
To other editor, perhaps especially to Mauri, i need your opinion. What do you think about Eagles's Hotel California 32m-claim from this source ( http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110929/A_ENTERTAIN/109290308) is this reliable ?
Need Advice?. thanks Politsi ( talk) 07:25, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Dookie by Green Day sold over 26.000.000 copies worldwide — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.91.71.39 ( talk) 16:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
what do you think about this source, 20m-claim ( http://bothners.co.za/products/green-days-tre-cools-signature-series-zildjian-practice-pads/). thanks Politsi ( talk) 05:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Why?
There is no consensus for these opinions.
Why should Wikipedia conform to these artificial 'rules'? 88.104.28.176 ( talk) 02:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
http://avaxhome.bz/music/MJacksonHIStory.html,,,,,,, I need an editors opinion if this is good enough source for Michael Jackson album,,,History,,,,thank you,,,,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 19:03, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
http://www.modernghana.com/news/224213/1/sudden-departure-of-michael-jackson.html.... what about this source for m. Jackson - History...your opinion please,,,.thanks,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 10:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/1997/06/19/ent_210096.shtml,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this one is a news article, does not cite Wikipedia and says Michael Jackson sold more than 20 million, can any editor give me his opinion about this one,,,,,,thank you,,,,,,,,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 17:55, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
This billboard article proves that HIStory was certified twice in the USA. [26] "See this talk [27]" Even if only the USA counts certifications twice, that would still leave that album with 9.1 certified sales, not enough for the 20 million claim. -- Watquaza ( talk) 02:37, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
USA - 7 million (as of 1999), EU - 6 million (dated, but all that exists for now). Other available certifications: Japan - 750K, Australia - 560K, Canada - 400K, New Zealand - 150K, Argentina - 40K, Brazil - 40K, Mexico - 30K.
+ 4 million in re-release between 2001-2010: Approx. 250K certified in UK as of 2009 (Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/mar/16/features.musicmonthly20#article_continue) and approx 990K sold in USA as of 2009 (Source: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/photos/stylus/97334-michaeljackson_pp_03l.jpg coupled with: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1616273/michael-jackson-dominates-charts-third-week.jhtml). [Note these only include sales up to the third week following Jackson's death but are all that are available online as of now].
In "The Wall's" article yes, but not here. Please check the "Total Certified copies" of The Wall in this article. Actual sales are listed as 11.5 million in the US not as 23 million, and it should be the same with HIStory. We're not counting each CD as a unit or a record in this page. -- Watquaza ( talk) 20:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
argentina 60,000 australia 560,000 austria 100,000 brazil 100,000 canada 500,000 denmark 250,000 europe 6,000,000 finland 61,352 france 1,000,000 germany 1,500,000 japan 400,000 mexico 100,000 netherlands 300,000 new zealand 135,000 norway 50,000poland 100,000 sweden 100,000 switzerland 150,000 uk 1,200,000 us 7,000,000 Total: 14,855,000,,,,,,,,this is from the Wikipedia page on Mj History past, present, future,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 14:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
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http://fanofmusic.free.fr/index.php?m=Charts&s=BestSellers&p=BestSellers&Act=121 .... think this is good for citing,,that History past present and future has sold 20 million albums,,,,-- 65.8.188.55 ( talk) 17:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC) http://avaxhome.bz/music/MJacksonHIStory.html this is another source that can be used,,,,,-- 65.8.188.32 ( talk) 23:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
hi maybe this will help , I was looking at the archive 10 and found the below description which apparently solved the problem for History album ( I cut and paste it ) so that it can be useful in solving this same problem again I would have solved this but I (don't) cant edit semi protected page,,thank you,,,,,,,,,,-- 65.8.189.36 ( talk) 11:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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normally don't edit this list, but I came across this reverted edit by Watquaza. HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I was released in 1995 and needs the 20 million claim to be supported by 57.5% certified sales (or 11.5 million in certified units). The album, in fact, has 12.6 million in certified units available. 7x Platinum (or 7 million units) in USA 3x Platinum (or 1.5 million units) in Germany 4x Platinum (or 1.2 million units) in the UK Diamond (or 1 million) in France 5x Platinum (or 500,000 units) in Canada 8x Platinum (or 560,000 units) in Australia 3x Platinum (or 300,000 units) in Spain 3x Platinum (or 150,000 units) in Switzerland 2x Platinum (or 100,000 units) in Austria Platinum (or 100,000 units) in Sweden Platinum (or 100,000 units) in Poland 9x Platinum (or 135,000 units) in New Zealand The total from the markets above comes down to 12.6. Actually, it's also gone 3x Platinum (300,000 units) in the Netherlands, and Gold in Mexico (100,000 units), neither one's database functions at the moment.--Harout72 (talk) 00:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC) |
What about Pink Floyd's The Wall, Garth Brooks Double Live, The Beatles's White album, Billy Joel's Greatest Hits??? All those releases were before September 1996 and still counted twice. -- Watquaza ( talk) 04:27, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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12:34, 12 April 2013 (UTC)In my opinion, the practice of dividing the number of the U.S. Platinum-awards for Double-CDs by two, should be abandoned at this list. It shouldn't matter how the RIAA certifies the Double-CDs that have a run time of 100 minutes or more. When a Double-CD album gets certified 22x Platinum in U.S. (for example), then it should be listed as 22 million certified units, regardless of whether the CD-case contains more than one CD inside, and each has been counted towards certification. That's not our concern.
1) The certified sales column requires information about certified units, it doesn't ask how many CD cases have been sold, it asks how many Platinum-awards it's received and what those Platinum-awards represent in terms of units when converted. 2) When news agencies contact artists' record companies to get information about a particular album's sales, the record company might simply tell the new service that the album has been certified 22x Platinum by RIAA, for 22 million CDs. The record companies, most probably won't get into such detailed explanation, that Double-CD albums with a run time of 100 minutes or more are certified differently for such and such reasons. They always try to inflate the number of sold units, so why go through all that trouble.
Dividing Double-Cds the way it's being done here at this list, is causing unnecessary restrictions. I'm personally not practicing this system at the List of best-selling music artists.-- Harout72 ( talk) 05:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the above editors position, ,,,,,--
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Dear Editor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.74.89.226 ( talk) 09:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Dear Editor
On elton johns web page it says GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD HAS SOLD 31 million copies from a reliable source yet it never been on the best sellers page-why .ELTON JOHNS GREATEST HITS HAS SOLD 17M in the states ,rule of thumb means its usually sold close to that outside the states and for quite sometime wiki posted it had sold over 32million but again neither album made the best sellers list.Acase could be made for the LION KING at over 11 million in the states it would be over 20 million worldwide considering the success LK around the world 121.74.89.226 ( talk) 10:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Tony
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Bee Gees / Various artists | Saturday Night Fever | 1977 | Disco | 40 million [7] [8] |
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Pink Floyd | The Wall | 1979 | Progressive rock | 30 million (60 million units?)
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Various artists | Grease | 1978 | Pop rock, rock and roll | 28 million [16] |
Although there's no confirmed source to state 30m sales, ABBA Gold has certified sales of 23.5m http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABBA_Gold:_Greatest_Hits. See also http://abbasales.hpage.com. ( Coachtripfan ( talk) 19:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC))
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hello i am here to say that Madonna Ray of light album has been removed from this page. it has sold 20 million copies and therefore should be in it. the BBC and VH1! including other magazines and companies have listed its sales at 20 million. only a few have listed it as 16. on her discography its also listed as 20. i request it be added please. also i have noticed a number of people have complained about this figure and asked why the album is NOT on the page. Michaelowen252598 ( talk) 21:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hello i am here to say that Madonna Ray of light album has been removed from this page. it has sold 20 million copies and therefore should be in it. the BBC and VH1! including other magazines and companies have listed its sales at 20 million. only a few have listed it as 16. on her discography its also listed as 20. i request it be added please. also i have noticed a number of people have complained about this figure and asked why the album is NOT on the page Michaelowen252598 ( talk) 21:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Ray of Light SOLD 20 MILLION http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/150058.stm (BBC) and http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2012-03-30/madonna-top-controversies/ (VH1) MoreMoneyGomes ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
LOOK http://www.abpd.org.br/certificados_interna.asp and http://www.abpd.org.br/niveis_de_certificacao.asp The Bodyguard was certificed by 100M — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoreMoneyGomes ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Please change directly on the [117] Listing of most commercial album because the album at this location has sold 24 million so far and not 20 as stated. This can be confirmed by the official site which has been built from Wikipedia for the discography of Britney Spears [17] 212.205.0.10 ( talk) 09:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Dear Editor I write once again to ask why when on wiki pages on elton johns goodbye yellow brick road and greatest hits both with worldwide sales in excess of 31 million neither album appears on best selling albums list WHY! 121.75.90.113 ( talk) 09:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Both of this albums previously listed in the 30m-list, but why now down to 26m? Please advice, any editor please?.. thanks Politsi ( talk) 11:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for answering my question buddy. Actually, I really like this list in the past and really care about the contain in this list. That's why, if you look at the most of the albums claim source. The source mostly new and more reliable, it's because of me.
But now, this list is so confusing and un-tidy, un-like the list of List of best-selling music artists where User:Harout72 handle that list with highy care and perfect. I help him to re-new all the source inside, make it more complete.
Mauri, i really appreciated your work in here. But to be honest and i'm sorry to say. For me, this list now look un-reliable. Politsi ( talk) 01:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, I think the 20 million number given to HIStory was something someone pulled out of their butt. I've no doubt HIStory sold a lot especially in Europe but I don't know the exact sales estimates. But I somehow doubt it sold that much or even shipped that much, since some numbers come from album shipments. BrothaTimothy ( talk · contribs) 16:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I always hate a claim source from The Daily Telegraph (U.K) many times i have found a stupid claim from their stupid editor.
like 220m-sales of Adele's 21 ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9450131/Singer-Adele-babysits-for-a-strangers-child-at-high-street-cafe.html) to 120m-sales career of Beyonce ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9896887/Beyonce-agreed-to-sing-at-local-UK-carnival-but-only-for-50000-fee.html)
In the List of Best Selling Music Artist, i've been doing by my best to kick out all source from The Telegraph, and I will do it the same thing in this list. Politsi ( talk) 01:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Dear Mauri, i just wanted to pointed out that not only The Telegraph (U.K) is a stupid news source, but also Forbes same stupid as well . this is the fact, please read it ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/willburns/2012/02/02/the-sgt-pepper-brand-liberated-the-beatles-does-your-brand-liberate-you/) / (has sold over 32 million copies, according to Wikipedia).
So that, i suggest to put Bad only with 30m-claim from L.A Times ( http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/18/entertainment/la-et-ms-michael-jacksons-bad-25-is-it-worth-your-money-20120918) it will be better.
what do you think? Politsi ( talk) 11:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
There is no way that 'Back In Black' by AC/DC sold over 20 Million copies, outside the USA. I study Singles & Albums Charts from all over the World, & the AC/DC Album simply did not do well enough, to have such sales. For example, it was No.1 for 2 Weeks in the UK, (1980), but it was only the 38th UK Best Seller of that Year, & it did not stay in the Charts for very long. Indeed, it was not No.1 in most Countries, & nor did it stay in those Charts for very long. It simply cannot have sold 20 Million+ outside the USA.
Nor can 'Greatest Hits 1971 - 1975', by The Eagles, have sold 13 Million outside the USA. It did not even reach the Top 10 in most Countries. It was a UK No.2 Album, (1976), & it was the 9th UK Best Seller of that Year, but it was not very high in most Countries Year End Best Sellers of 1976. It can't have sold more than about 2 or 3 Million outside the USA.
Also, despite claims that it sold 20 Million, there is no way that Blondie's 'Parallel Lines' sold that many around the World. The UK was one of the few Countries where it reached No.1. It reached No.6 in the USA. It was not huge in the vast bulk of Countries. Its 20 Million Sales are a big exaggeration. As to Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' having claims of 110 Million+ given for it - that claim is about 40 to 45 Million too high. The claim has been looked at over & over, & I know of no-one who can tabulate more than 70 Million Sales for it. Others say 65 Million. Sony Music just plucked 40 Million extra Sales out of thin air, and they are now quoted, by the Media, as if they are set in stone - rather than a load of made up nonsense..... 86.13.2.211 ( talk) 08:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Mauri, If you still confuse to put AC/DC's Back in Black in the list because their low certification sales worldwide. Why you not put that album with only 40 million-claim. You can use this source ( http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/acdc-still-shakin-all-night-long/story-e6frea6u-1111117882117) or this ( http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/music-news/acdc-shun-digital-sales-to-go-995368). I understand you still mad on me, because I mock this list but please bear in mind I still care with the contain inside. Politsi ( talk) 01:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Mauri, to be honest. Most of the source that you put recently in this list, is not reliable enough. I think a claim figure stated from Tabloid Newspaper is still the most reliable one but is all your decision.
By the way, what do you think about this source for Adele's 21. ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-louie-xiv/adele-21-album_b_2911113.html) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politsi ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that the most recent news sources put sales of Nirvana's Nevermind at 30 million. Heres one example from Billboard. [29] I think the claimed sales should be adjusted accordingly. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 14:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
can someone with edit ability please change this,,,,,,-- 65.8.189.214 ( talk) 23:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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For The Album Bat Out Of Hell to be changed to sold to 43 million copies and not 30 million copies JoshwaaFilms ( talk) 08:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Should add two albums by Celine Dion to the list. All the Way... A Decade of Song (1999) has sold 21.5 mln. copies, source: http://books.google.com.ua/books?id=wA8EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&lr=&hl=pl&rview=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false and The Colour of My Love has sold 20 mln. copies, source: http://www.chartsinfrance.net/Celine-Dion/news-70887.html. Also, her Falling Into You has sold 32 mln. copies and not 30, there are a lot of sources, here's one of them: http://www.everyhit.co.uk/recordalb.html. And her Let's Talk About Love has sold 31 mln. copies and not 30 as mentioned in the list, use the previous link. Thank you. Alone Highway ( talk) 09:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
sorry buddy, but your two sources for all the way and the colour of my love is un-reliable. beside their certification sales is not enough to support the 20m-claim.
and I'm the one who put Falling Into You and Lets talk about love to 30m-seller. Its because more reliable to that figure sales. Politsi ( talk) 16:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The album has sold 40 million worldwide, as stated in the Guinness book of records.
The 30 million it was changed to was from an unreliable source and now it has been changed to 28 million??? It's their Backstreet's Back (Backstreet Boys in the US) that sold 28-32 million. Millennium has sold 40 million. Infact, the 40 million figure was reached in between 2005 and 2007, the album may be closer to 50 million now, as it still continues to sell on iTunes.
It needs to changed back to 40 million!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 19:17, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Also, the source you have for 28 million is from the year 2000, one year after its release and more importantly, 13 YEARS AGO!!!
Here are some reliable sources with the 40 million from years after the 28 million source: http://www.mtv.com/artists/backstreet-boys/biography/ http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/Backstreet-Boys-tickets/artist/781254 http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/whats-the-biggest-selling-album-of-all-time/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 20:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
The Guinness book of records in 2008 stated 40 million. Therefore its 40 million. I don't get how you can not put this as 40 million, when there are albums above this that have their certified sales less that half the figure on here?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.233.204 ( talk) 09:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
It sold 40 million. I'd rather believe MTV, ABC, 4Music, Jive, BBC etc than Wikipedia anyway. The whole list is completely unreliable. And like I say Millennium at 28 million is completely wrong, it's 40 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.70.219.51 ( talk) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Mauri, i hope you answer my question. why you let The Dark Side of the Moon still stand with 45m-claim?. I've been put that album with 40m-claim because that figure is more reliable. need your advice. thanks Politsi ( talk) 16:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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