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This list seems to missing the Queen Elizabeth class battleships of 1915: Queen Elizabeth. Valiant, Warspite, Malaya & Barham Ryebonfire ( talk) 17:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
If I changed the format to a sortable list with additional details would (a) anyone object or (b) be able to help? I would envisage the default order being alphabetical by name (as now) with sortable categories covering class (alphabetical), navy, commissioning date, deep displacement, length, beam and top speed (all as final configuration). Two unsortable categories could cover primary armament and comments. Wiki-Ed ( talk) 13:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Since an unfinished battleship hull is not a war ship, I've removed these from the list. Same logic applies to the hulls transformed in aircraft carriers. I've also removed all the coastal defence ships, since they share more in common with monitors than with battleships. I'll make a separate list for those categories soon. Ships bought or seized before entering service have been marked as belonging to the country they were commissioned in. -- Tervan ( talk) 23:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
Why is HMS Warrior missing from this list? I suppose the first iron-hulled warship deserves a place here.
Best regards,
-- Marek Koprowski ( talk) 20:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
the list seems to me to be slightly inconsistent. I would suggest to define battleships consistently e.g. as follows:
Type A(rmoured Cruiser) - Ship not classified as battleship or battlecruiser with 4 or more main breech loading guns of 24cm or more in turrets with roof - No sails as propulsion
Example: German Deutschland class of 1930ies which carried 8 x 28 cm but were rather cruisers
Type B(attleship) battleship - Ship with the usual battleship armour of its period and 4-6 main breech loading guns of 24cm or more in turrets with roof - No sails as propulsion
Example: the usual 4 x 12 inch battleship
Type C(oastal battleship) - Ship with at least 3 main breach loading guns of 24 cm or more in turrets with roof - No sails as propulsion
E.g. German Odin class
Type D(readnough) battleship - Deadnough battleship with 8 or more main breech loading guns in turrets with roof - no sails as Propulsion.
Example: HMS Dreadnough
Type F(ast battleship or battlecruiser) - Type B but with a top speed of 24 knts or more.
Example: HMS Queen Elisabeth
Type I(ronclad) - Any ship with more than 3 main guns of 24 cm or more if these are in barbettes or turrets even if they are muzzle loading or if the ship still carries sail as main or auxiliary propulsion.
Type M(onitor) - Any ship withn at least 2 main guns of 24 cm or more in turrets
On the other side to be deleted any ships with main guns below 24 cm. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.75.2.216 (
talk) 14:32, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello Wiki-Ed. I see that you have reverted my edition without taking into account that precisely my edition had been maintained for six months without interruption, without anyone opposing the edition until a very short time and without also considering the edition of two other users, [1] [2] who did not question the edition. Taking that into account, the elapsed time (I repeat, six months) and the editions of two other users without objection, it seems to me that there was already a tacit consensus on my edition. I think the one who really should ask for a consensus is the user who recently questioned the edit and not me. -- Muwatallis II ( talk) 23:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
I see that you just created List of battleships for countries. Besides the title being bad grammar, you really need to discuss such an article fork beforehand, as doing this can be seen as a content fork, which is not permitted. I've redirected it for the. time being, but if it's restored without a consensus here that such an article is needed, I'll probably nominate it for deletion. BilCat ( talk) 23:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Seems like a fair few coastal defence ships are missing. Given the above conversations, should they be added or not? Norway: Tordenskjold class, Eidsvold class, Bjørgvin class. Sweden: Svea class, Oden class, Dristigheten, Äran-class coastal defence ship, Oscar II, Sverige-class coastal defence ship. Didn't check all of these, they're just from Coastal defence ship. The lack of Sweden in this article is definitely a glaring omission. // Lollipoplollipoplollipop:: talk 18:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Should there be added to the description, that this USS Texas was the first Pre-Dreadnought Battleship of the United States Navy. (The 1868??? Ship that starts with a D (which I have forgotten its name) is a Ship I would call an Ironclad Ram. She was sold to France which found some very good use for her for at least 20 years) MagnummSerpentinee ( talk) 14:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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This list seems to missing the Queen Elizabeth class battleships of 1915: Queen Elizabeth. Valiant, Warspite, Malaya & Barham Ryebonfire ( talk) 17:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
If I changed the format to a sortable list with additional details would (a) anyone object or (b) be able to help? I would envisage the default order being alphabetical by name (as now) with sortable categories covering class (alphabetical), navy, commissioning date, deep displacement, length, beam and top speed (all as final configuration). Two unsortable categories could cover primary armament and comments. Wiki-Ed ( talk) 13:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Since an unfinished battleship hull is not a war ship, I've removed these from the list. Same logic applies to the hulls transformed in aircraft carriers. I've also removed all the coastal defence ships, since they share more in common with monitors than with battleships. I'll make a separate list for those categories soon. Ships bought or seized before entering service have been marked as belonging to the country they were commissioned in. -- Tervan ( talk) 23:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
Why is HMS Warrior missing from this list? I suppose the first iron-hulled warship deserves a place here.
Best regards,
-- Marek Koprowski ( talk) 20:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
the list seems to me to be slightly inconsistent. I would suggest to define battleships consistently e.g. as follows:
Type A(rmoured Cruiser) - Ship not classified as battleship or battlecruiser with 4 or more main breech loading guns of 24cm or more in turrets with roof - No sails as propulsion
Example: German Deutschland class of 1930ies which carried 8 x 28 cm but were rather cruisers
Type B(attleship) battleship - Ship with the usual battleship armour of its period and 4-6 main breech loading guns of 24cm or more in turrets with roof - No sails as propulsion
Example: the usual 4 x 12 inch battleship
Type C(oastal battleship) - Ship with at least 3 main breach loading guns of 24 cm or more in turrets with roof - No sails as propulsion
E.g. German Odin class
Type D(readnough) battleship - Deadnough battleship with 8 or more main breech loading guns in turrets with roof - no sails as Propulsion.
Example: HMS Dreadnough
Type F(ast battleship or battlecruiser) - Type B but with a top speed of 24 knts or more.
Example: HMS Queen Elisabeth
Type I(ronclad) - Any ship with more than 3 main guns of 24 cm or more if these are in barbettes or turrets even if they are muzzle loading or if the ship still carries sail as main or auxiliary propulsion.
Type M(onitor) - Any ship withn at least 2 main guns of 24 cm or more in turrets
On the other side to be deleted any ships with main guns below 24 cm. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.75.2.216 (
talk) 14:32, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello Wiki-Ed. I see that you have reverted my edition without taking into account that precisely my edition had been maintained for six months without interruption, without anyone opposing the edition until a very short time and without also considering the edition of two other users, [1] [2] who did not question the edition. Taking that into account, the elapsed time (I repeat, six months) and the editions of two other users without objection, it seems to me that there was already a tacit consensus on my edition. I think the one who really should ask for a consensus is the user who recently questioned the edit and not me. -- Muwatallis II ( talk) 23:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
I see that you just created List of battleships for countries. Besides the title being bad grammar, you really need to discuss such an article fork beforehand, as doing this can be seen as a content fork, which is not permitted. I've redirected it for the. time being, but if it's restored without a consensus here that such an article is needed, I'll probably nominate it for deletion. BilCat ( talk) 23:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Seems like a fair few coastal defence ships are missing. Given the above conversations, should they be added or not? Norway: Tordenskjold class, Eidsvold class, Bjørgvin class. Sweden: Svea class, Oden class, Dristigheten, Äran-class coastal defence ship, Oscar II, Sverige-class coastal defence ship. Didn't check all of these, they're just from Coastal defence ship. The lack of Sweden in this article is definitely a glaring omission. // Lollipoplollipoplollipop:: talk 18:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Should there be added to the description, that this USS Texas was the first Pre-Dreadnought Battleship of the United States Navy. (The 1868??? Ship that starts with a D (which I have forgotten its name) is a Ship I would call an Ironclad Ram. She was sold to France which found some very good use for her for at least 20 years) MagnummSerpentinee ( talk) 14:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)