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Per previous consensus, I removed non-notable (Soompi, etc) and fan-run awards. I also expanded some of the acronyms (like ASC) to avoid confusion with more famous organizations. Shinyang-i ( talk) 23:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Like on other pages, fan voted awards should not be included, I see that the page has already been cleared of this fan plague on January 19, 2017 by the user Lgggioia but it has been instantly re-added without reliable sources, I cleared it again and now it has been added again without any valid arguments beside "Please go to and pay attention to your idols rather than messing with others, awards are awards, whether they are fan voted or not.". So, if you cannot provide a valid reason for inclusion and if "btsdiary" is the only source which you can find to confirm the award, then the award is obviously not notable enough. Snowflake91 ( talk) 20:32, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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So BTS' branding won an If Design Award [1] [2], which is apparently a fairly important award in the world of design, so I figured that I should add it here. The problem is that, despite it being about BTS' branding, the award seems to be going to the designers who make the logo as well as BigHit, not BTS themselves. Is there a point in adding this? Should this issue be explained in a note at the bottom of the page? Nyantatata ^-^ (Say hi!) 23:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I undid two edits today that prev removed some Akp/Soompi sources from the page. Since no one else seemed like they were gonna do it (since those citations have been there a while) I'm going to replace them myself (working on it right now). I added them back in to help me track the dates/articles. Ik citations can be removed just like that and you have to search from scratch, but it's easier for me to work like this since it helps me save time. Just wanted to explain a bit more why I did what I did before anyone takes issue. - Carlobunnie ( talk) 21:26, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I'm also working on it , kinda slacking 'cos of my job. Good luck ! I'm really thankful, I thought I'm the only one who cares. Shaiyee ( talk) 05:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I don't understand how to change wikipedia stuff so May I asking can you moving iF Design Award and A' Design Award to Other Award? You know because the award is not a main award for musician and it will make the list more organisir. Thank you. Reskyyandi ( talk) 13:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
1. I saw you also put in the Diamond Play Button Award from Youtube. But what I knew, before Diamond Play Button, Youtube also gives Silver and Gold Play Button. Are BTS does not get it?
2. BTS also win the Global Popularity Award (For Global Popularity), not only Genie Mobile Popularity Award (For Korean Popularity), but unfortunately, the award was not given during the show because the trophy was forced to be used/given to BTS choreagrapher for the Best Choreographer award. That's what I found from several BTS fanbase accounts. This is also evidenced by their photographs, where one of their award is written Global Popularity Award.
3. #BTSARMY was nominated as Best Fandom in Brazilian Nick but you didn't put it in. The award show itself will be held today.
4. Why did you not enter the award from Soompi Award in the list? I know it may or may not be included in the fan-voted award, but what I knew, Soompi also includes some assessment criteria for the winner, not 100% based on voting. And also, Soompi is one of the biggest websites about Kpop on the internet. Which kpopers who doesn't know about Soompi? I think you should put it in on the Other Award Category like another website award as VLive Award and Hanteo Award. Reskyyandi ( talk) 01:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I was adding descriptions for the various award shows to the page and noticed that I was unable to find any information on The Halls of Stars Awards. As a result I question whether the awards come from a legitimate awards show or some random online website. If it is not from a legitimate award show, can someone help me move it to the other awards section? Starlight dreams ( talk) 23:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Can I know why ECA award for burn the stage was edited from the wiki page? It has a legit link and the management company even tweeted about this in their official twitter account. It was the most grossed film in 2018 in music film category.. May I know why??? I actually don't get it.... Antonia parker ( talk) 10:08, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Adjust Guinness World Records because Blackpink has broken BTS's records: Most viewed music videos online in 24 hours by a K-pop group and Most viewed YouTube music video in 24 hours. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47851888 https://entertainment.mb.com.ph/2019/04/08/blackpinks-kill-this-love-mv-sets-new-youtube-record/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alessiol01 ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
User is citing that all awards from reliable sources can be mentioned as Wikipedia policy. There is no such policy that I can find. Wikipedia doesn't generally mention things that aren't already notable. In fact, the policy for films strictly mention this as a standard. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#Accolades
The last time this was discussed in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Popular_culture/Archive_3#Awards - there was some consensus that fan site awards like Soompi are generally not mentioned. Unless these awards have some established criteria and aren't just fan popularity awards, I doubt they would rise to the notability to be listed.
- Evaders99 ( talk) 07:18, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
MBC’s “Music Core”; awards are bein held for soo long and have been awarding many artists for years.....but still there no mention of the awards won by BTS on this page..... Any specific reason for this?? Because this award is quite reliable, various sites like Soompi,allkpop, youtube, instagram etc have also being reporting about this!! Ref: https://www.soompi.com/article/1330640wpp/watch-bts-takes-17th-win-for-boy-with-luv-on-mbcs-music-core-performances-by-sandeul-wjsn-lee-hi-and-more
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.225.83.22 ( talk) 09:17, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I have read the whole discussion, where at the end it clearly say, to include the artist win atleast in the PROSE SECTION, where u too agreed with it!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:2EEC:D5D6:D8F7:1800:5EAA:E75B ( talk) 20:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Can a new picture of BTS winning an award be uploaded?? Its almost mid 2019, and the old picture is of 2017, so i guess along with the awards the picture should also be updated right?? CAN SOMEONE UPLOAD A NEW PIC OF BTS IN 2019 .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.225.101.63 ( talk) 18:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
YEH!! I too feel that a new picture should be uploaded of BTS....Sorry!! I don't know how to replace a picture!! Lets wait till someone experienced may do it!! CookyMooky ( talk) 14:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
That is the main problem (LOL), i tried uploading a new updated picture but i wasn't able to do it, as i am still new here and learning all this stuff!! ONLY SOMEONE EXPERIENCED MAY BE ABLE TO THAT, it freaking tough to just replace a picture!! CookyMooky ( talk) 21:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
HELLO everyone!! I feel that "THE FACT MUSIC AWARDS" SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE SECTION IN THE ARTICLE, rather than just mentioning those awards in "other awards" category!! "THE FACT MUSIC AWARDS" was properly broadcast-ed and most of the famous Korean artist were present there, even performed too , with proper award ceremony being held and got full coverage in various sites and TV!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMooky ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
(ugh forgive my poor brain for the PCA part of my orig question, I kept looking for it under "P" and stupidly failed to see it was listed under "E! PCA" so I removed it) So I've been looking at a bunch of GA/FL music articles to get an idea of how to improve the main BTS articles (artist page, awards list, discog list) and I was wondering how feasible it would be to rearrange the page to something similar to this? It's very comprehensive and one easy scroll. Ofc she noticeably has less awards than BTS hence the "feasible" part given how long a BTS list would be, but I'd appreciate any thoughts or input on the matter to help make the page a better read so pinging some of the most active editors I know @ DanielleTH, Snowflake91, Ukiss2ne14lyfe, Lirim.Z, Alexanderlee, and Explicit:. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 18:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
For FL review, 90% of awards in "other awards" section should be removed anyway, they are most likely not notable enough, only those major awards should be listed like at that example of Meghan Trainor.
I've been working on getting some BTS-related lists to FL (it's a slow process, unfortunately), but yes, this page needs a revamp. All of the pointless separations (Korean vs. non, "other"... who determined what's "other" and what's not, anyways?) need to be combined into one, like was said above. I think using Trainor's page as the sample may be difficult due to the stark difference in notable noms; maybe Lady Gaga's or Madonna's versions would work nicer as they have a higher number of entries. It's worth noting that you don't have to base FLs on previous ones, though there's usually a reason why the same formats are used over and over again. Other stuff: the lead could use a revamp, the explanations of the various awards can stay but need sources, and the sources themselves need to follow a consistent format. Other more minor stuff (like adding more images where possible, alt text) can be dealt with after the formatting is fixed. I also think it may be better to make a draft rather than putting a in-process version of this page in your sandbox, Carlobunnie. I'll gladly help in the improvement process!
As an aside, it may be worth it to have a BTS-specific WikiProject like many other artists do. Artists with a much smaller number of pages already have them (such the aforementioned Meghan Trainor and Camila Cabello), and it could help get some much-needed changes done faster/easier. I have very little knowledge on how to set one up, though. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:53, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Not where I wanted to be before I hit save but I don't have any more time so this is as far as I've gotten for today. I removed the entire "Other" section completely, extracted The Fact Awards from it and included it with everything else reordered alphabetically. Hope my math was correct for the top box. Only 2 or 3 other awards might make it back in so I'll add those next chance I get (or someone else can if they feel one should be added). Leaving the lead revamp/replacement photo for last. I think I checked every single citation and all are good, added archived/missing links where necessary, reworked some of the award descriptions so they don't all sound the same. So like 50% of the way to being redone, but still a looong way to FL status. Feedback is appreciated! -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:02, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91 and DanielleTH: You might notice I restored the '10 guinness world records' bit in the lead. I have a couple questions about one of the particular records I wanna run by you guys before I possibly change it again (to less), so I still listed the 10 in the table for the time being. Been working on the page since this morning and only noticed you guys made some edits when I happened to check my watchlist just now so thought I'd give you a heads up in case you see it and wonder wth I'm doing. Added in the separate section at the bottom for the special medals/awards like with the kylie page. The remaining awards between will be assimilated into the table. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 18:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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Then, simply replace source #27, #28, and #30 with only <ref name="gaonarchive"/>. Also, merge "BTS" rows in Genie Music Awards, change rowspan from 5 to 13 and remove "BTS" parameter from Golden Disc Awards "Rookie of the Year" and Genie "The Male Group" (btw, isnt the word "best" missing here and in other Genie awards, or it should be like that?) as it will be merged. Dont worry, if you dont know how to fix those then I will, I just included it there just in case so I wont forget it. Snowflake91 ( talk) 18:48, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
So basically a lot of nominations are unsourced, for FL it would need to be sourced. Snowflake91 ( talk) 10:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@ DanielleTH: @ Carlobunnie: Hello all the authors and editors here!! I read the whole discussion. I too would like to help you all in making edits. Firstly I would like to add that BTS has received 2 new nomination in TEEN CHOICE AWARDS FOR CHOICE FANDOM and CHOICE SUMMER TOUR, i found that this new edit (as its released only 2 days before) wasn't made in the DRAFT. So please make the change as its already included in this "BTS AWARDS AND NOMINATION" ACTIVE PAGE already.I have already made this edit with the reference too.
Also I found that V LIVE AWARDS and SOOMPI AWARDS are not included in draft. I think that they should be included as they are being held for so many years and after 2017 Soompi have been mentioned by various NOTABLE sites like (Billboard, Forbes, ABS CBN News, Fuse TV) etc. Also for Vlive there is a proper ceremony held and broadcasted on the V LIVE APP too and hence are notable. I didn't made any edit on the draft myself as I am still new here I wanted to first check from already experienced authors. CookyMooky ( talk) 15:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: No i totally agree with you!! There should be a PROPER DISCUSSION and CONSENSUS about which awards to be included from "Other awards" category!!
But i personally still feel V LIVE AWARDS and SOOMPI should be written or alteast mentioned in other awards, because even in the main awards category we mostly look upon for these sites only (like Billboard, Forbes etc) and see the coverage of that award on other additional sites, and then finally record it. So i feel the same should happen with the above mentioned awards, specially for V LIVE AWARDS as it was properly broadcasted and was mentioned in various newsletters.
If all the experienced editors still think its not notable then also its okay!! I just wanted to put my point forward!! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky CookyMooky ( talk) 17:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Snowflake91: Yes there are various sources for V LIVE AWARDS other than their official site and broadcast. This is official NAVER site (the most popular search engine in Korea) https://campaign.naver.com/v/2018globaltop10/en/ and this is from SBS official site: https://www.sbs.com.au/popasia/blog/2019/01/04/v-live-announce-2019-global-top-10-and-artist-prizes and https://www.soompi.com/article/1287445wpp/v-live-announces-2019-global-top-10 (as you only have said Soompi can be used as secondary reference) CookyMooky ( talk) 17:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Danielle: But V LIVE Awards have a proper award ceremony, coverage and broadcast!! ALSO This is official NAVER site reference (the most popular search engine in Korea) if the other ones are not applicable. https://campaign.naver.com/v/2018globaltop10/en/
And for Soompi awards I still feel they too should be noted as awards are awards even when they are website award. But if you all still think it shouldn't be include, then also its okay, u all are more experienced!! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Thank you all for considering my point of adding V LIVE awards and SOOMPI awards!! I too will help you all in finding references for previous years!! CookyMooky ( talk) 19:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Snowflake91,
Carlobunnie, and anyone else who would like to comment, please tell me what you think of
this for the bottom section of the page.
DanielleTH
(Say hi!)
20:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Danielle: I personally liked your idea of including a picture to make that look better. And have no problem in including the BTS rankings of various magazine.
But i feel that "World record" should be recorded as it is already done in the main draft of @Carlobunnie i.e. including it in the main section of the list. CookyMooky ( talk) 20:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Danielle: I understand your point but the 2 records no longer held by BTS, was broken by BTS themselves and not someone else in 2019 with their song "boy with luv". Also Guinness world records are proper "plaques" awarded to each record holder (which is kind of award), so even if its included in main section with won column then also its okay according to me because writing them in different column will only lead to increase in usage of space on page and won't look good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMooky ( talk • contribs)
@ Danielle: I totally understand your point, I just said my view I think we should wait for other experienced editors like you to give them opinions too. And then I think you should made that edit, because its better to have different opinions! :) CookyMooky ( talk) 00:58, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ DanielleTH: @ Carlobunnie: I have found sources for 2016 Soompi awards and V live awards, so please let me know whenever you will be adding those two awards in the draft, I will add these citations! And i am still working for 2015 Soompi citation! CookyMooky ( talk) 14:41, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ DanielleTH: Sorry i didn't mean to disturb your editing but I couldn't see the "IN USE" NOTIFICATION as I was making an edit even before you came and I forgot to add "IN USE" template!!
I was updating "MTV MIAW 2019" as the results are out now, so the "pending nominations" need to be changed to "Won" in MTV Millennial Awards Brazil as BTS have won in both the categories in Kpop exlosion and fandom of the year. I have even found proper citation for the above. Please let me know when you are done with your edit so that I can make this one!! :) CookyMooky ( talk) 15:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Just a general note to all: looking at other FLs that follow our format, it looks like they organize the list by award, year, then alphabetically (as in, the awards from GDA 2017 are alphabetized). That may mess up sourcing, and it looks like right now the list is organized by wins first then noms, which should be okay as long as they're organized somehow. I know you're working on sources Carlobunnie and I don't want to mess you up, so I'll leave it alone for now. CookyMooky, thank you for finding the source, just don't forget to add a title! DanielleTH (Say hi!) 15:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
@ DanielleTH: Okay!! Done. CookyMooky ( talk) 15:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: I must have missed that!! Actually the problem is that all the reliable sites are mentioning only the main category awards IN TEEN CHOICE AWARDS i.e. Choice International artist and Choice collaboration. Hence I thought until I get a better source for Choice Fandom and Choice Summer tour I should mention it for temporary purpose!! As I am still researching a better source for the latter. CookyMooky ( talk) 16:58, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: @ DanielleTH: In the main draft "The Hall Of Stars Awards" held in SPAIN 2018 is not recorded, any special reason for that?? I researched on it and found few sources for the same. So should I add those awards in the main list or not?? I wanted to confirm before making any wrong edit as I am not sure. Sources: https://www.koreaboo.com/news/bts-wins-2-awards-spanish-award-ceremony-hall-stars-awards-2018/ and This is from SBS NEWS official site not "SBS POP ASIA" https://news.sbs.co.kr/news/endPage.do?news_id=N1004741873 Please check BOTH THE SITES and let me know! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: I too was a bit doubtful about those awards that's why i first asked!! Okay!! Got it!! CookyMooky ( talk) 18:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Snowflake91,
DanielleTH,
Lirim.Z,
Chiyako92, list has been moved from sandbox to draftspace
here. Heading over to its talk page. --
Carlobunnie (
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19:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Searches for articles about the UnionPay Album of the Year nominations have turned up nothing. The MAMA 2015 wiki article is useless (that had 2016 nominees linked) and Mwave doesn't have an official announcement video for AOTY that I can tell (but I found ones for ArtOTY and SOTY which I don't need). And the multitude of articles about the winning album don't mention the others nominated alongside it in the category so Snowflake91 it looks like for 2015 there'll only be a BMG nom cite and the list of winners cite. If anyone else can find anything then cool. It'll be slow going with the rest of the MAMA section for now because I get easily stressed out when I can't find what I'm looking for and I can already tell this will take me longer than usual to get through. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 20:11, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
For the KBAs, I want to use the 2017 win ref as the ref for the footnote also, but when I tried to do it the table got messed up in the preview. I'm guessing there's a special way to link it but idk how so can someone do it? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 21:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been looking for a reliable replacement Eng source for the 2019 TCA Choice Summer Tour but so far no luck. Reliable ones that mentioned the second wave nominations only wrote about the TV noms with no coverage of the additional music noms, except for Just Jared Jr who posted the full second list of nominees. Can't find anything on wikipedia calling it an unreliable source but the only reason i'm partially hesitant is because parent site JJ is generally famous for its entertainment gossip coverage, even though it's also known for providing breaking entertainment news as well. Idk if the gossip bias would be applied to JJ Jr/tip it into unreliable territory. Thoughts? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 03:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
DanielleTH I noticed you added wikilinks for a bunch of citations in the lead (didn't scroll all your edits) but I recall an editor on another page telling me a while back that repetitive wikilinking was unnecessary for citations and that's why earlier today I removed them from your listicles/world records section and elsewhere on the page. I feel like the earliest citation(s) in the article can have the wikilink but ones after that don't need them added in again. As for 'work/website' I'm still sifting through the page and trying to put the correct parameters so there'll be more that you find because I either just didn't see it or haven't gotten there yet. Also there's some 'cite news' that I thought I changed to 'cite web' but apparently a few slipped past me. I've seen other editors add the language parameter even if the link was in English so I was just following that, sorry. If I'm making a lot of tiny but very obvious mistakes it's because I've been staring at my pc screen for hours on end these past few days so multiple apologies. Fun fact: I was editing all this time and just went to save only to realise you went in because i didn't use the tag and now I want to die. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie and Snowflake91: Is mentioning that BTS are the youngest recipients of the Order of Merit worth noting via a footnote? It's worth mentioning somewhere on the page, but I feel like it belongs in the caption under the photo to the right and/or in the lead. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
So there are a few sites in the refs that display horribly when you try archiving them. Even past archived links display without photos that appear on the live page currently, or they do not allow you to click to the respective tab on the web page to view the nomination/win notice, hence the reason I didnt include archived links for some references. Yin yue tai V Chart Awards is one example ("korean" tab). Ik that obv the next best thing would be to find articles on the noms/wins and use those since most archive perfectly., but I like keeping the orig websites as much as we can. For general knowledge sake, is there any way to work around the archiving issues? I also wondered if it was maybe my browser and all the filter plugins that were affecting how I was seeing the pages but they didnt appear any differently on incognito so I guess that's not it either. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Would we be able to use this [3] as a suitable replacement? I've been hunting for some time for a new one. K-media might have as well but I haven't gone thru Naver yet. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 05:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
I saw the Top 10 Artists nomination at 2015 Melon Music Awards was removed, but judging from this page, it looks like it actually happened. Correct me if I'm wrong. -- Chiya 92 12:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie: @ DanielleTH: U have mentioned "Korean Popular Culture and Arts Awards" as "state honors" in a different table not main table which is okay but you have NOT COUNTED them as awards and LISTED THEM "IN AWARD SUMMARY BOX". I personally feel they should be counted, as proper award ceremony is held and individual awards are given to each members specially "Order of cultural merit". Hence I have added that in the "AWARD COUNTING BOX"
Also Sorry I had my exams and hence wasn't active here, I actually wanted to ask that when you all are going to add Soompi and Vlive awards?? So that I too can help because I found sources for 2017 awards!! Please let me know!! and if there is any other thing any of u need help with then also I am more than ready!! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Snowflake91: Okay!! I will report here as soon as I find something for 2016 V Live. CookyMooky talk) 18:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Yup the MAMA error was on my end, apologies. I've been alphabetizing the individual awards per FL standards and have been doing my best to not mix things up, but with all the rowspans it can be a little tricky. If I change a win to a nom or vice versa without explaining why, it was a mistake. In terms of the Korean Popular Culture and Arts Awards, I don't see them in the main infobox. I could understand an argument for including them since they are technically awards, just a different and usually more important kind. (Versus the other two which are notable accolades that can't really be put anywhere else.) DanielleTH (Say hi!) 22:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
If YouTube cannot be used as a source then simply delete entire soompi awards, because you wont find nominations anywhere else. Snowflake91 ( talk) 20:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie: I researched on the LINK @Snowflake91 gave me FOR V LIVE AWARDS and finally found all these articles stating their awards of 2019 and 2018 All sources are from "The Korea Herald" which according to WP:KO/RS are notable. All 4 awards BTS WON IN 2019 V LIVE AWARDS (best artist, best channel, best V original and video of the year) source and 2 awards BTS WON IN 2018 V LIVE AWARDS (Global top 10) source AND (The Most Hearted Star of Vietnam) source Now I am finding source for the only award (Global top 10 award) BTS won in 2017 V LIVE award show in the same link!! CookyMooky ( talk)
I've just finished another bit of hunting across naver/google, and Wikipedia in general, to finally make up my mind about the SA after all the comments above since I put them back in last night. We orig excluded them due to the fact that even though they've received increased coverage over the past few years that coverage is still very limited and the most editors consider them to be not as notable as other awards. Part of me still thought enough reliable sources existed to warrant keeping them in but:
Clearly they're not as important as has been argued for them in the past if references to them can't be properly sourced or sourced at all. With the BTS page being the only one (or one of the very few since I haven't checked every single artist's page) to currently still include them, I feel it's more due to fans liking seeing a high number of wins/noms in the top box hence all the disturbance any time someone attempts to remove lesser awards from the article rather than understanding that the SA simply don't cut it. We gave it a fair chance here for inclusion but it can't fully meet notability requirements so I firmly believe 100% that the Soompi Awards aren't worth including at all and I would like to take them out once I can edit the page again. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 23:18, 16 July 2019 (UTC) forgot to tag Snowflake91 and DanielleTH -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 00:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been searching sources for Soompi Awards, but I'll leave them here for checking before adding them to the draft:
-- Chiya 92 09:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@ DanielleTH: Need some clarification please, before I sort the wrong way (though I can always correct what Ive already done if need be):
Similar occurrences might come up as i go down the table but clarity on these will help me going forward overall. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 04:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
There's an error with 2018 Asia Artist Awards wins: Popularity Award – Music was won, as stated by the ref provided for the other awards. On the other hand, the template count is correct. -- Chiya 92 14:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Found archived voting links for the Global Popularity Award nomination. Page shows all the nominees during the voting period to the top of the page and then lower down explains how the votes are tallied to determine the winner. My question is: should I use an archived link dated during (Dec 2015) the voting period, or one after it closed on Jan 10, 2016 (earliest archive is dd Mar 4, 2016)?
Either way BTS is not in the winning position but the latter would obv show a more accurate depiction of the nomination/vote tally. Maybe I'm splitting hairs but to me it makes a difference. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 21:03, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I would like to thank the editors creating this page for their work developing/altering tables for the purpose of reformatting a list of individual tables into a singular table. I would not have been able to proceed with my current FL nomination without this page as a guide to speedily reformat my article. I look forward to seeing this list soon become a FL also, as it will surely sail through a nomination. NicklausAU 00:32, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
There would need to be an explanation (something like "key" in the State honors section) why are there 3 different colours of "nominations". I see that the "shortlisted" template is used, so it should also read "shortlisted" then, or use a key to explain that the silver "nominated" is the second place finish (I guess?), while the gold "nomination" is a shortlist (top 5?) or something. Snowflake91 ( talk) 08:32, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
And "Seoul Metropolitan Government" is not really an award, why was this added to the main table now? Its just a plaque or some kind of a one-time recognition for promoting tourism, not an actual awards ceremony. Snowflake91 ( talk) 16:20, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91: I decided to try it out last night while source hunting (your comment from above in the mama section prompted the change) to see how it looked in the table. I think it's better than just 'nominated' due to no coverage being available for these particular noms. I still have to adjust it, as you noticed, and I'll create a key/footnote, but it's a good way to handle these particular ones right? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 17:45, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91: I read the article for the plaque, it's just a non-competitive award selected by the government of Seoul to a handful of K-Pop groups for tourism contributions (groups like SF9 also got it). I had thought it was related to the ambassador thing but they're actually unrelated. It's presented by the MAMA Awards, so I feel like we include it, we can put it there, just with a note. Where it is now feels a little odd since the Seoul Metropolitan Government isn't an award ceremony. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 16:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
CookyMooky, please see above discussions about sourcing. Don't use website, use work instead, please link Wikipedia articles if the publication, and make sure all the parameters are filled. If you're having trouble, you can look at some of the other sources or ask someone else to help! DanielleTH (Say hi!) 15:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Carlobunnie I was reading your edit summary about sourcing, and I'm a bit confused about what you mean. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm having trouble locating a source that mentions Bangtan's being a nominee for the Hallyu Special Award & Popularity Award. For the PA, most articles only covered Junsu's win and the % of votes he got over Exo+SHINee. For the HSA, archives of the voting site that I found ( like this) don't show nominees. Or at least none of the pages loaded on mobile showing nominees for me. I searched '2016 서울가요대상' + '2016 서울가요대상 투표' on Naver but no luck so far. @ Chiyako92: dunno if you can find something? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 19:35, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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. Publisher would be something like CJ E&M posting information to their website or data released by award shows, since they're not a written publication.
DanielleTH
(Say hi!)
21:19, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie and Chiyako92: Alright, long time looking, but I finally found it. Through all this endless hunting I was able to find that we missed their Hallyu Special nom in 2017. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 18:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Given that's V's solo song, wouldn't that award belong on his page? DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Ik some of us already know either most or all of this, or not, but I figured it was a good place to keep reminders/useful links while editing (also these are some of the most common things I have to clean up across various articles on wikipedia). I forget stuff sometimes and I usually have to look through bookmarks to find the relevant wiki page to remind myself of something or ping someone for an answer so hopefully this is helpful in some way. If anyone has other things they think would be good to link here for easy use/access please feel free to do so. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 23:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
In Philippines Kpop Awards, Love Yourself links to the Bieber song, someone correct the link since I dont know if its "Her" or "Answer" or "Tear", and the album name should be in italics. Also, in 2017 MAMA awards, song of the year award wrongly links to the album of the year award. Snowflake91 ( talk) 09:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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Per previous consensus, I removed non-notable (Soompi, etc) and fan-run awards. I also expanded some of the acronyms (like ASC) to avoid confusion with more famous organizations. Shinyang-i ( talk) 23:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Like on other pages, fan voted awards should not be included, I see that the page has already been cleared of this fan plague on January 19, 2017 by the user Lgggioia but it has been instantly re-added without reliable sources, I cleared it again and now it has been added again without any valid arguments beside "Please go to and pay attention to your idols rather than messing with others, awards are awards, whether they are fan voted or not.". So, if you cannot provide a valid reason for inclusion and if "btsdiary" is the only source which you can find to confirm the award, then the award is obviously not notable enough. Snowflake91 ( talk) 20:32, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
References
So BTS' branding won an If Design Award [1] [2], which is apparently a fairly important award in the world of design, so I figured that I should add it here. The problem is that, despite it being about BTS' branding, the award seems to be going to the designers who make the logo as well as BigHit, not BTS themselves. Is there a point in adding this? Should this issue be explained in a note at the bottom of the page? Nyantatata ^-^ (Say hi!) 23:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I undid two edits today that prev removed some Akp/Soompi sources from the page. Since no one else seemed like they were gonna do it (since those citations have been there a while) I'm going to replace them myself (working on it right now). I added them back in to help me track the dates/articles. Ik citations can be removed just like that and you have to search from scratch, but it's easier for me to work like this since it helps me save time. Just wanted to explain a bit more why I did what I did before anyone takes issue. - Carlobunnie ( talk) 21:26, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I'm also working on it , kinda slacking 'cos of my job. Good luck ! I'm really thankful, I thought I'm the only one who cares. Shaiyee ( talk) 05:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I don't understand how to change wikipedia stuff so May I asking can you moving iF Design Award and A' Design Award to Other Award? You know because the award is not a main award for musician and it will make the list more organisir. Thank you. Reskyyandi ( talk) 13:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
1. I saw you also put in the Diamond Play Button Award from Youtube. But what I knew, before Diamond Play Button, Youtube also gives Silver and Gold Play Button. Are BTS does not get it?
2. BTS also win the Global Popularity Award (For Global Popularity), not only Genie Mobile Popularity Award (For Korean Popularity), but unfortunately, the award was not given during the show because the trophy was forced to be used/given to BTS choreagrapher for the Best Choreographer award. That's what I found from several BTS fanbase accounts. This is also evidenced by their photographs, where one of their award is written Global Popularity Award.
3. #BTSARMY was nominated as Best Fandom in Brazilian Nick but you didn't put it in. The award show itself will be held today.
4. Why did you not enter the award from Soompi Award in the list? I know it may or may not be included in the fan-voted award, but what I knew, Soompi also includes some assessment criteria for the winner, not 100% based on voting. And also, Soompi is one of the biggest websites about Kpop on the internet. Which kpopers who doesn't know about Soompi? I think you should put it in on the Other Award Category like another website award as VLive Award and Hanteo Award. Reskyyandi ( talk) 01:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I was adding descriptions for the various award shows to the page and noticed that I was unable to find any information on The Halls of Stars Awards. As a result I question whether the awards come from a legitimate awards show or some random online website. If it is not from a legitimate award show, can someone help me move it to the other awards section? Starlight dreams ( talk) 23:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Can I know why ECA award for burn the stage was edited from the wiki page? It has a legit link and the management company even tweeted about this in their official twitter account. It was the most grossed film in 2018 in music film category.. May I know why??? I actually don't get it.... Antonia parker ( talk) 10:08, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Adjust Guinness World Records because Blackpink has broken BTS's records: Most viewed music videos online in 24 hours by a K-pop group and Most viewed YouTube music video in 24 hours. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47851888 https://entertainment.mb.com.ph/2019/04/08/blackpinks-kill-this-love-mv-sets-new-youtube-record/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alessiol01 ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
User is citing that all awards from reliable sources can be mentioned as Wikipedia policy. There is no such policy that I can find. Wikipedia doesn't generally mention things that aren't already notable. In fact, the policy for films strictly mention this as a standard. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#Accolades
The last time this was discussed in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Popular_culture/Archive_3#Awards - there was some consensus that fan site awards like Soompi are generally not mentioned. Unless these awards have some established criteria and aren't just fan popularity awards, I doubt they would rise to the notability to be listed.
- Evaders99 ( talk) 07:18, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
MBC’s “Music Core”; awards are bein held for soo long and have been awarding many artists for years.....but still there no mention of the awards won by BTS on this page..... Any specific reason for this?? Because this award is quite reliable, various sites like Soompi,allkpop, youtube, instagram etc have also being reporting about this!! Ref: https://www.soompi.com/article/1330640wpp/watch-bts-takes-17th-win-for-boy-with-luv-on-mbcs-music-core-performances-by-sandeul-wjsn-lee-hi-and-more
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.225.83.22 ( talk) 09:17, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I have read the whole discussion, where at the end it clearly say, to include the artist win atleast in the PROSE SECTION, where u too agreed with it!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:2EEC:D5D6:D8F7:1800:5EAA:E75B ( talk) 20:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Can a new picture of BTS winning an award be uploaded?? Its almost mid 2019, and the old picture is of 2017, so i guess along with the awards the picture should also be updated right?? CAN SOMEONE UPLOAD A NEW PIC OF BTS IN 2019 .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.225.101.63 ( talk) 18:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
YEH!! I too feel that a new picture should be uploaded of BTS....Sorry!! I don't know how to replace a picture!! Lets wait till someone experienced may do it!! CookyMooky ( talk) 14:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
That is the main problem (LOL), i tried uploading a new updated picture but i wasn't able to do it, as i am still new here and learning all this stuff!! ONLY SOMEONE EXPERIENCED MAY BE ABLE TO THAT, it freaking tough to just replace a picture!! CookyMooky ( talk) 21:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
HELLO everyone!! I feel that "THE FACT MUSIC AWARDS" SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE SECTION IN THE ARTICLE, rather than just mentioning those awards in "other awards" category!! "THE FACT MUSIC AWARDS" was properly broadcast-ed and most of the famous Korean artist were present there, even performed too , with proper award ceremony being held and got full coverage in various sites and TV!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMooky ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
(ugh forgive my poor brain for the PCA part of my orig question, I kept looking for it under "P" and stupidly failed to see it was listed under "E! PCA" so I removed it) So I've been looking at a bunch of GA/FL music articles to get an idea of how to improve the main BTS articles (artist page, awards list, discog list) and I was wondering how feasible it would be to rearrange the page to something similar to this? It's very comprehensive and one easy scroll. Ofc she noticeably has less awards than BTS hence the "feasible" part given how long a BTS list would be, but I'd appreciate any thoughts or input on the matter to help make the page a better read so pinging some of the most active editors I know @ DanielleTH, Snowflake91, Ukiss2ne14lyfe, Lirim.Z, Alexanderlee, and Explicit:. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 18:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
For FL review, 90% of awards in "other awards" section should be removed anyway, they are most likely not notable enough, only those major awards should be listed like at that example of Meghan Trainor.
I've been working on getting some BTS-related lists to FL (it's a slow process, unfortunately), but yes, this page needs a revamp. All of the pointless separations (Korean vs. non, "other"... who determined what's "other" and what's not, anyways?) need to be combined into one, like was said above. I think using Trainor's page as the sample may be difficult due to the stark difference in notable noms; maybe Lady Gaga's or Madonna's versions would work nicer as they have a higher number of entries. It's worth noting that you don't have to base FLs on previous ones, though there's usually a reason why the same formats are used over and over again. Other stuff: the lead could use a revamp, the explanations of the various awards can stay but need sources, and the sources themselves need to follow a consistent format. Other more minor stuff (like adding more images where possible, alt text) can be dealt with after the formatting is fixed. I also think it may be better to make a draft rather than putting a in-process version of this page in your sandbox, Carlobunnie. I'll gladly help in the improvement process!
As an aside, it may be worth it to have a BTS-specific WikiProject like many other artists do. Artists with a much smaller number of pages already have them (such the aforementioned Meghan Trainor and Camila Cabello), and it could help get some much-needed changes done faster/easier. I have very little knowledge on how to set one up, though. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:53, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Not where I wanted to be before I hit save but I don't have any more time so this is as far as I've gotten for today. I removed the entire "Other" section completely, extracted The Fact Awards from it and included it with everything else reordered alphabetically. Hope my math was correct for the top box. Only 2 or 3 other awards might make it back in so I'll add those next chance I get (or someone else can if they feel one should be added). Leaving the lead revamp/replacement photo for last. I think I checked every single citation and all are good, added archived/missing links where necessary, reworked some of the award descriptions so they don't all sound the same. So like 50% of the way to being redone, but still a looong way to FL status. Feedback is appreciated! -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:02, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91 and DanielleTH: You might notice I restored the '10 guinness world records' bit in the lead. I have a couple questions about one of the particular records I wanna run by you guys before I possibly change it again (to less), so I still listed the 10 in the table for the time being. Been working on the page since this morning and only noticed you guys made some edits when I happened to check my watchlist just now so thought I'd give you a heads up in case you see it and wonder wth I'm doing. Added in the separate section at the bottom for the special medals/awards like with the kylie page. The remaining awards between will be assimilated into the table. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 18:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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Then, simply replace source #27, #28, and #30 with only <ref name="gaonarchive"/>. Also, merge "BTS" rows in Genie Music Awards, change rowspan from 5 to 13 and remove "BTS" parameter from Golden Disc Awards "Rookie of the Year" and Genie "The Male Group" (btw, isnt the word "best" missing here and in other Genie awards, or it should be like that?) as it will be merged. Dont worry, if you dont know how to fix those then I will, I just included it there just in case so I wont forget it. Snowflake91 ( talk) 18:48, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
So basically a lot of nominations are unsourced, for FL it would need to be sourced. Snowflake91 ( talk) 10:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@ DanielleTH: @ Carlobunnie: Hello all the authors and editors here!! I read the whole discussion. I too would like to help you all in making edits. Firstly I would like to add that BTS has received 2 new nomination in TEEN CHOICE AWARDS FOR CHOICE FANDOM and CHOICE SUMMER TOUR, i found that this new edit (as its released only 2 days before) wasn't made in the DRAFT. So please make the change as its already included in this "BTS AWARDS AND NOMINATION" ACTIVE PAGE already.I have already made this edit with the reference too.
Also I found that V LIVE AWARDS and SOOMPI AWARDS are not included in draft. I think that they should be included as they are being held for so many years and after 2017 Soompi have been mentioned by various NOTABLE sites like (Billboard, Forbes, ABS CBN News, Fuse TV) etc. Also for Vlive there is a proper ceremony held and broadcasted on the V LIVE APP too and hence are notable. I didn't made any edit on the draft myself as I am still new here I wanted to first check from already experienced authors. CookyMooky ( talk) 15:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: No i totally agree with you!! There should be a PROPER DISCUSSION and CONSENSUS about which awards to be included from "Other awards" category!!
But i personally still feel V LIVE AWARDS and SOOMPI should be written or alteast mentioned in other awards, because even in the main awards category we mostly look upon for these sites only (like Billboard, Forbes etc) and see the coverage of that award on other additional sites, and then finally record it. So i feel the same should happen with the above mentioned awards, specially for V LIVE AWARDS as it was properly broadcasted and was mentioned in various newsletters.
If all the experienced editors still think its not notable then also its okay!! I just wanted to put my point forward!! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky CookyMooky ( talk) 17:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Snowflake91: Yes there are various sources for V LIVE AWARDS other than their official site and broadcast. This is official NAVER site (the most popular search engine in Korea) https://campaign.naver.com/v/2018globaltop10/en/ and this is from SBS official site: https://www.sbs.com.au/popasia/blog/2019/01/04/v-live-announce-2019-global-top-10-and-artist-prizes and https://www.soompi.com/article/1287445wpp/v-live-announces-2019-global-top-10 (as you only have said Soompi can be used as secondary reference) CookyMooky ( talk) 17:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Danielle: But V LIVE Awards have a proper award ceremony, coverage and broadcast!! ALSO This is official NAVER site reference (the most popular search engine in Korea) if the other ones are not applicable. https://campaign.naver.com/v/2018globaltop10/en/
And for Soompi awards I still feel they too should be noted as awards are awards even when they are website award. But if you all still think it shouldn't be include, then also its okay, u all are more experienced!! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Thank you all for considering my point of adding V LIVE awards and SOOMPI awards!! I too will help you all in finding references for previous years!! CookyMooky ( talk) 19:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Snowflake91,
Carlobunnie, and anyone else who would like to comment, please tell me what you think of
this for the bottom section of the page.
DanielleTH
(Say hi!)
20:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Danielle: I personally liked your idea of including a picture to make that look better. And have no problem in including the BTS rankings of various magazine.
But i feel that "World record" should be recorded as it is already done in the main draft of @Carlobunnie i.e. including it in the main section of the list. CookyMooky ( talk) 20:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Danielle: I understand your point but the 2 records no longer held by BTS, was broken by BTS themselves and not someone else in 2019 with their song "boy with luv". Also Guinness world records are proper "plaques" awarded to each record holder (which is kind of award), so even if its included in main section with won column then also its okay according to me because writing them in different column will only lead to increase in usage of space on page and won't look good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMooky ( talk • contribs)
@ Danielle: I totally understand your point, I just said my view I think we should wait for other experienced editors like you to give them opinions too. And then I think you should made that edit, because its better to have different opinions! :) CookyMooky ( talk) 00:58, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ DanielleTH: @ Carlobunnie: I have found sources for 2016 Soompi awards and V live awards, so please let me know whenever you will be adding those two awards in the draft, I will add these citations! And i am still working for 2015 Soompi citation! CookyMooky ( talk) 14:41, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ DanielleTH: Sorry i didn't mean to disturb your editing but I couldn't see the "IN USE" NOTIFICATION as I was making an edit even before you came and I forgot to add "IN USE" template!!
I was updating "MTV MIAW 2019" as the results are out now, so the "pending nominations" need to be changed to "Won" in MTV Millennial Awards Brazil as BTS have won in both the categories in Kpop exlosion and fandom of the year. I have even found proper citation for the above. Please let me know when you are done with your edit so that I can make this one!! :) CookyMooky ( talk) 15:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Just a general note to all: looking at other FLs that follow our format, it looks like they organize the list by award, year, then alphabetically (as in, the awards from GDA 2017 are alphabetized). That may mess up sourcing, and it looks like right now the list is organized by wins first then noms, which should be okay as long as they're organized somehow. I know you're working on sources Carlobunnie and I don't want to mess you up, so I'll leave it alone for now. CookyMooky, thank you for finding the source, just don't forget to add a title! DanielleTH (Say hi!) 15:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
@ DanielleTH: Okay!! Done. CookyMooky ( talk) 15:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: I must have missed that!! Actually the problem is that all the reliable sites are mentioning only the main category awards IN TEEN CHOICE AWARDS i.e. Choice International artist and Choice collaboration. Hence I thought until I get a better source for Choice Fandom and Choice Summer tour I should mention it for temporary purpose!! As I am still researching a better source for the latter. CookyMooky ( talk) 16:58, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: @ DanielleTH: In the main draft "The Hall Of Stars Awards" held in SPAIN 2018 is not recorded, any special reason for that?? I researched on it and found few sources for the same. So should I add those awards in the main list or not?? I wanted to confirm before making any wrong edit as I am not sure. Sources: https://www.koreaboo.com/news/bts-wins-2-awards-spanish-award-ceremony-hall-stars-awards-2018/ and This is from SBS NEWS official site not "SBS POP ASIA" https://news.sbs.co.kr/news/endPage.do?news_id=N1004741873 Please check BOTH THE SITES and let me know! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Carlobunnie: I too was a bit doubtful about those awards that's why i first asked!! Okay!! Got it!! CookyMooky ( talk) 18:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Snowflake91,
DanielleTH,
Lirim.Z,
Chiyako92, list has been moved from sandbox to draftspace
here. Heading over to its talk page. --
Carlobunnie (
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19:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Searches for articles about the UnionPay Album of the Year nominations have turned up nothing. The MAMA 2015 wiki article is useless (that had 2016 nominees linked) and Mwave doesn't have an official announcement video for AOTY that I can tell (but I found ones for ArtOTY and SOTY which I don't need). And the multitude of articles about the winning album don't mention the others nominated alongside it in the category so Snowflake91 it looks like for 2015 there'll only be a BMG nom cite and the list of winners cite. If anyone else can find anything then cool. It'll be slow going with the rest of the MAMA section for now because I get easily stressed out when I can't find what I'm looking for and I can already tell this will take me longer than usual to get through. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 20:11, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
For the KBAs, I want to use the 2017 win ref as the ref for the footnote also, but when I tried to do it the table got messed up in the preview. I'm guessing there's a special way to link it but idk how so can someone do it? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 21:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been looking for a reliable replacement Eng source for the 2019 TCA Choice Summer Tour but so far no luck. Reliable ones that mentioned the second wave nominations only wrote about the TV noms with no coverage of the additional music noms, except for Just Jared Jr who posted the full second list of nominees. Can't find anything on wikipedia calling it an unreliable source but the only reason i'm partially hesitant is because parent site JJ is generally famous for its entertainment gossip coverage, even though it's also known for providing breaking entertainment news as well. Idk if the gossip bias would be applied to JJ Jr/tip it into unreliable territory. Thoughts? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 03:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
DanielleTH I noticed you added wikilinks for a bunch of citations in the lead (didn't scroll all your edits) but I recall an editor on another page telling me a while back that repetitive wikilinking was unnecessary for citations and that's why earlier today I removed them from your listicles/world records section and elsewhere on the page. I feel like the earliest citation(s) in the article can have the wikilink but ones after that don't need them added in again. As for 'work/website' I'm still sifting through the page and trying to put the correct parameters so there'll be more that you find because I either just didn't see it or haven't gotten there yet. Also there's some 'cite news' that I thought I changed to 'cite web' but apparently a few slipped past me. I've seen other editors add the language parameter even if the link was in English so I was just following that, sorry. If I'm making a lot of tiny but very obvious mistakes it's because I've been staring at my pc screen for hours on end these past few days so multiple apologies. Fun fact: I was editing all this time and just went to save only to realise you went in because i didn't use the tag and now I want to die. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie and Snowflake91: Is mentioning that BTS are the youngest recipients of the Order of Merit worth noting via a footnote? It's worth mentioning somewhere on the page, but I feel like it belongs in the caption under the photo to the right and/or in the lead. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
So there are a few sites in the refs that display horribly when you try archiving them. Even past archived links display without photos that appear on the live page currently, or they do not allow you to click to the respective tab on the web page to view the nomination/win notice, hence the reason I didnt include archived links for some references. Yin yue tai V Chart Awards is one example ("korean" tab). Ik that obv the next best thing would be to find articles on the noms/wins and use those since most archive perfectly., but I like keeping the orig websites as much as we can. For general knowledge sake, is there any way to work around the archiving issues? I also wondered if it was maybe my browser and all the filter plugins that were affecting how I was seeing the pages but they didnt appear any differently on incognito so I guess that's not it either. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Would we be able to use this [3] as a suitable replacement? I've been hunting for some time for a new one. K-media might have as well but I haven't gone thru Naver yet. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 05:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
I saw the Top 10 Artists nomination at 2015 Melon Music Awards was removed, but judging from this page, it looks like it actually happened. Correct me if I'm wrong. -- Chiya 92 12:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie: @ DanielleTH: U have mentioned "Korean Popular Culture and Arts Awards" as "state honors" in a different table not main table which is okay but you have NOT COUNTED them as awards and LISTED THEM "IN AWARD SUMMARY BOX". I personally feel they should be counted, as proper award ceremony is held and individual awards are given to each members specially "Order of cultural merit". Hence I have added that in the "AWARD COUNTING BOX"
Also Sorry I had my exams and hence wasn't active here, I actually wanted to ask that when you all are going to add Soompi and Vlive awards?? So that I too can help because I found sources for 2017 awards!! Please let me know!! and if there is any other thing any of u need help with then also I am more than ready!! CookyMooky ( talk) 17:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
@ Snowflake91: Okay!! I will report here as soon as I find something for 2016 V Live. CookyMooky talk) 18:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)CookyMooky
Yup the MAMA error was on my end, apologies. I've been alphabetizing the individual awards per FL standards and have been doing my best to not mix things up, but with all the rowspans it can be a little tricky. If I change a win to a nom or vice versa without explaining why, it was a mistake. In terms of the Korean Popular Culture and Arts Awards, I don't see them in the main infobox. I could understand an argument for including them since they are technically awards, just a different and usually more important kind. (Versus the other two which are notable accolades that can't really be put anywhere else.) DanielleTH (Say hi!) 22:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
If YouTube cannot be used as a source then simply delete entire soompi awards, because you wont find nominations anywhere else. Snowflake91 ( talk) 20:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie: I researched on the LINK @Snowflake91 gave me FOR V LIVE AWARDS and finally found all these articles stating their awards of 2019 and 2018 All sources are from "The Korea Herald" which according to WP:KO/RS are notable. All 4 awards BTS WON IN 2019 V LIVE AWARDS (best artist, best channel, best V original and video of the year) source and 2 awards BTS WON IN 2018 V LIVE AWARDS (Global top 10) source AND (The Most Hearted Star of Vietnam) source Now I am finding source for the only award (Global top 10 award) BTS won in 2017 V LIVE award show in the same link!! CookyMooky ( talk)
I've just finished another bit of hunting across naver/google, and Wikipedia in general, to finally make up my mind about the SA after all the comments above since I put them back in last night. We orig excluded them due to the fact that even though they've received increased coverage over the past few years that coverage is still very limited and the most editors consider them to be not as notable as other awards. Part of me still thought enough reliable sources existed to warrant keeping them in but:
Clearly they're not as important as has been argued for them in the past if references to them can't be properly sourced or sourced at all. With the BTS page being the only one (or one of the very few since I haven't checked every single artist's page) to currently still include them, I feel it's more due to fans liking seeing a high number of wins/noms in the top box hence all the disturbance any time someone attempts to remove lesser awards from the article rather than understanding that the SA simply don't cut it. We gave it a fair chance here for inclusion but it can't fully meet notability requirements so I firmly believe 100% that the Soompi Awards aren't worth including at all and I would like to take them out once I can edit the page again. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 23:18, 16 July 2019 (UTC) forgot to tag Snowflake91 and DanielleTH -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 00:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I've been searching sources for Soompi Awards, but I'll leave them here for checking before adding them to the draft:
-- Chiya 92 09:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@ DanielleTH: Need some clarification please, before I sort the wrong way (though I can always correct what Ive already done if need be):
Similar occurrences might come up as i go down the table but clarity on these will help me going forward overall. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 04:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
There's an error with 2018 Asia Artist Awards wins: Popularity Award – Music was won, as stated by the ref provided for the other awards. On the other hand, the template count is correct. -- Chiya 92 14:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Found archived voting links for the Global Popularity Award nomination. Page shows all the nominees during the voting period to the top of the page and then lower down explains how the votes are tallied to determine the winner. My question is: should I use an archived link dated during (Dec 2015) the voting period, or one after it closed on Jan 10, 2016 (earliest archive is dd Mar 4, 2016)?
Either way BTS is not in the winning position but the latter would obv show a more accurate depiction of the nomination/vote tally. Maybe I'm splitting hairs but to me it makes a difference. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 21:03, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I would like to thank the editors creating this page for their work developing/altering tables for the purpose of reformatting a list of individual tables into a singular table. I would not have been able to proceed with my current FL nomination without this page as a guide to speedily reformat my article. I look forward to seeing this list soon become a FL also, as it will surely sail through a nomination. NicklausAU 00:32, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
There would need to be an explanation (something like "key" in the State honors section) why are there 3 different colours of "nominations". I see that the "shortlisted" template is used, so it should also read "shortlisted" then, or use a key to explain that the silver "nominated" is the second place finish (I guess?), while the gold "nomination" is a shortlist (top 5?) or something. Snowflake91 ( talk) 08:32, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
And "Seoul Metropolitan Government" is not really an award, why was this added to the main table now? Its just a plaque or some kind of a one-time recognition for promoting tourism, not an actual awards ceremony. Snowflake91 ( talk) 16:20, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91: I decided to try it out last night while source hunting (your comment from above in the mama section prompted the change) to see how it looked in the table. I think it's better than just 'nominated' due to no coverage being available for these particular noms. I still have to adjust it, as you noticed, and I'll create a key/footnote, but it's a good way to handle these particular ones right? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 17:45, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Snowflake91: I read the article for the plaque, it's just a non-competitive award selected by the government of Seoul to a handful of K-Pop groups for tourism contributions (groups like SF9 also got it). I had thought it was related to the ambassador thing but they're actually unrelated. It's presented by the MAMA Awards, so I feel like we include it, we can put it there, just with a note. Where it is now feels a little odd since the Seoul Metropolitan Government isn't an award ceremony. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 16:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
CookyMooky, please see above discussions about sourcing. Don't use website, use work instead, please link Wikipedia articles if the publication, and make sure all the parameters are filled. If you're having trouble, you can look at some of the other sources or ask someone else to help! DanielleTH (Say hi!) 15:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Carlobunnie I was reading your edit summary about sourcing, and I'm a bit confused about what you mean. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm having trouble locating a source that mentions Bangtan's being a nominee for the Hallyu Special Award & Popularity Award. For the PA, most articles only covered Junsu's win and the % of votes he got over Exo+SHINee. For the HSA, archives of the voting site that I found ( like this) don't show nominees. Or at least none of the pages loaded on mobile showing nominees for me. I searched '2016 서울가요대상' + '2016 서울가요대상 투표' on Naver but no luck so far. @ Chiyako92: dunno if you can find something? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 19:35, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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. Publisher would be something like CJ E&M posting information to their website or data released by award shows, since they're not a written publication.
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21:19, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Carlobunnie and Chiyako92: Alright, long time looking, but I finally found it. Through all this endless hunting I was able to find that we missed their Hallyu Special nom in 2017. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 18:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Given that's V's solo song, wouldn't that award belong on his page? DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Ik some of us already know either most or all of this, or not, but I figured it was a good place to keep reminders/useful links while editing (also these are some of the most common things I have to clean up across various articles on wikipedia). I forget stuff sometimes and I usually have to look through bookmarks to find the relevant wiki page to remind myself of something or ping someone for an answer so hopefully this is helpful in some way. If anyone has other things they think would be good to link here for easy use/access please feel free to do so. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 23:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
In Philippines Kpop Awards, Love Yourself links to the Bieber song, someone correct the link since I dont know if its "Her" or "Answer" or "Tear", and the album name should be in italics. Also, in 2017 MAMA awards, song of the year award wrongly links to the album of the year award. Snowflake91 ( talk) 09:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)