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Source on the following? 1963, US President John F. Kennedy, First attempt: The Nov. 2 attempt in Chicago. Second attempt: The Nov. 18 attempt in Tampa.
I've never heard of these, and can't find any info about them. Coolgamer ( talk) 05:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Flight 93 was speculated that it was to target the whitehouse to kill president Bush, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.17.173 ( talk) 15:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Surely there were at least six attempts on the life of British Queen Victoria Saxe-Coburg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.136.43 ( talk) 20:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
IMHO, Yamamoto should not be on this list: his death was due to enemy action under the laws of war, and was not a crime. If Yamamoto belongs here, then so do King Harold Godwinson, Henry 'Hotspur' Percy, Admiral Nelson, and countless other military leaders who were picked off as targets. What do others think? 86.4.198.147 ( talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The fact that they say they are "optimistic" about her recovery does not mean she will survive her wounds. At least for the time being it should probably be undetermined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.210.144 ( talk) 16:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
The many alleged attempts to assasinate the cuban leader Fidel Castro by the CIA and the anticastrists is not documented here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.180.20 ( talk) 17:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I realise this is not a list of all assassinations, but surely hers is worth a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.191.243 ( talk) 17:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Some of the "Notes" refer to the assassin (e.g. "Threw a grenade...") but others refer to the victim ("Killed when he..."). The column's comments should be consistent instead of switching back and forth. Comet Tuttle ( talk) 20:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Now that the white house has stated that OBL was unarmed and executed after the firefight ended, can he be added to the list? Legal or illegal, it certainly was an assassination. -- 95.96.30.170 ( talk) 16:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Marie François Sadi Carnot was assassinated, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.29.244 ( talk) 12:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
It was proposed in May 2011 that List of assassins be merged with this article, but no discussion was initiated, so I'm starting one now. In addition, I'm proposing that List of assassinated people and List of people who survived assassination attempts should also be merged into this article. I've chosen this article as the merge target somewhat arbitrarily; I wouldn't be opposed to ending up with two lists, one for assassinations, and one for assassination attempts. I'm mainly just drawing attention to the fact that we currently have four lists, which is way too many. DoctorKubla ( talk) 08:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay, this could get a little complicated, so I'm going to take it one step at a time. My first proposal is that List of assassinations and assassination attempts should be partially merged with List of assassinated people to create a new article, List of assassinations (currently a redirect). This article would only list successful assassinations. I've already done the bulk of the work involved; see User:DoctorKubla/Assassinations for an idea of what the finished result would look like. All that needs to be done now is to copy the contents of that page into mainspace (and then, probably, split it into separate articles by continent to make it less unwieldy). It still needs a lot of cleanup; my primary consideration, for the time being, is to preserve as much information as possible. I haven't made any judgement calls about whether a particular item should be included, or corrected any of the inaccuracies I've spotted. That can come later, as can any discussion about the format of the article, whether it should be organised by country or date, how many columns the table should have, etc. For now, I just want to determine whether there's a consensus to merge these two articles. (It's possible that no-one really cares either way – if there's no response after, say, a month, I'll take that as silent consensus.) DoctorKubla ( talk) 10:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
The mention of Sarjeant's "attempted assassination" of Queen Elisabeth in 1981 is gross exaggeration. It should say he fired SIX BLANKS as he did not possess any live ammunition. "six shots, but all missed" is completely wrong and deliberately misleading so as to try and quailfy as a serious assassination attempt. QE2 was never seriously under any threat form bullets, and the only chance of killing her would have been if her horse Burmese had been startled enough to throw her to her death. Therfore I seriously doubt this qualifies as an assassination attempt, moreso given Sarjeant's mental health. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.100.100 ( talk) 13:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Surely there is a difference between the use of the words "assassination" and "murder"? My understanding would assume an assassination, in its modern sence, was the killing of someone of political/religious importance etc. I think it a little grandiose to suggest Jack Ruby assassinated Lee Harvey Oswald. Other than being convicted of the JFK assassination, Oswald was nobody of any note or merit. Therefore Ruby murdered Oswald, he did not assassinate him in the strictest sence. Even if you claim Ruby assassinated Oswald acting under the instruction of a third party that is conjecture. Debate open -when do you describe a murder as an assassination? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.36.3 ( talk) 15:39, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
I stand corrected DoctorKubla. As a UK resident it is difficult to perceive how Oswald was regarded by Americans, if as you say he was a figure of huge political importance then his death might be considered an assassination. AMM
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Source on the following? 1963, US President John F. Kennedy, First attempt: The Nov. 2 attempt in Chicago. Second attempt: The Nov. 18 attempt in Tampa.
I've never heard of these, and can't find any info about them. Coolgamer ( talk) 05:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Flight 93 was speculated that it was to target the whitehouse to kill president Bush, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.17.173 ( talk) 15:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Surely there were at least six attempts on the life of British Queen Victoria Saxe-Coburg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.136.43 ( talk) 20:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
IMHO, Yamamoto should not be on this list: his death was due to enemy action under the laws of war, and was not a crime. If Yamamoto belongs here, then so do King Harold Godwinson, Henry 'Hotspur' Percy, Admiral Nelson, and countless other military leaders who were picked off as targets. What do others think? 86.4.198.147 ( talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The fact that they say they are "optimistic" about her recovery does not mean she will survive her wounds. At least for the time being it should probably be undetermined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.210.144 ( talk) 16:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
The many alleged attempts to assasinate the cuban leader Fidel Castro by the CIA and the anticastrists is not documented here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.180.20 ( talk) 17:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I realise this is not a list of all assassinations, but surely hers is worth a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.191.243 ( talk) 17:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Some of the "Notes" refer to the assassin (e.g. "Threw a grenade...") but others refer to the victim ("Killed when he..."). The column's comments should be consistent instead of switching back and forth. Comet Tuttle ( talk) 20:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Now that the white house has stated that OBL was unarmed and executed after the firefight ended, can he be added to the list? Legal or illegal, it certainly was an assassination. -- 95.96.30.170 ( talk) 16:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Marie François Sadi Carnot was assassinated, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.29.244 ( talk) 12:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
It was proposed in May 2011 that List of assassins be merged with this article, but no discussion was initiated, so I'm starting one now. In addition, I'm proposing that List of assassinated people and List of people who survived assassination attempts should also be merged into this article. I've chosen this article as the merge target somewhat arbitrarily; I wouldn't be opposed to ending up with two lists, one for assassinations, and one for assassination attempts. I'm mainly just drawing attention to the fact that we currently have four lists, which is way too many. DoctorKubla ( talk) 08:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay, this could get a little complicated, so I'm going to take it one step at a time. My first proposal is that List of assassinations and assassination attempts should be partially merged with List of assassinated people to create a new article, List of assassinations (currently a redirect). This article would only list successful assassinations. I've already done the bulk of the work involved; see User:DoctorKubla/Assassinations for an idea of what the finished result would look like. All that needs to be done now is to copy the contents of that page into mainspace (and then, probably, split it into separate articles by continent to make it less unwieldy). It still needs a lot of cleanup; my primary consideration, for the time being, is to preserve as much information as possible. I haven't made any judgement calls about whether a particular item should be included, or corrected any of the inaccuracies I've spotted. That can come later, as can any discussion about the format of the article, whether it should be organised by country or date, how many columns the table should have, etc. For now, I just want to determine whether there's a consensus to merge these two articles. (It's possible that no-one really cares either way – if there's no response after, say, a month, I'll take that as silent consensus.) DoctorKubla ( talk) 10:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
The mention of Sarjeant's "attempted assassination" of Queen Elisabeth in 1981 is gross exaggeration. It should say he fired SIX BLANKS as he did not possess any live ammunition. "six shots, but all missed" is completely wrong and deliberately misleading so as to try and quailfy as a serious assassination attempt. QE2 was never seriously under any threat form bullets, and the only chance of killing her would have been if her horse Burmese had been startled enough to throw her to her death. Therfore I seriously doubt this qualifies as an assassination attempt, moreso given Sarjeant's mental health. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.100.100 ( talk) 13:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Surely there is a difference between the use of the words "assassination" and "murder"? My understanding would assume an assassination, in its modern sence, was the killing of someone of political/religious importance etc. I think it a little grandiose to suggest Jack Ruby assassinated Lee Harvey Oswald. Other than being convicted of the JFK assassination, Oswald was nobody of any note or merit. Therefore Ruby murdered Oswald, he did not assassinate him in the strictest sence. Even if you claim Ruby assassinated Oswald acting under the instruction of a third party that is conjecture. Debate open -when do you describe a murder as an assassination? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.36.3 ( talk) 15:39, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
I stand corrected DoctorKubla. As a UK resident it is difficult to perceive how Oswald was regarded by Americans, if as you say he was a figure of huge political importance then his death might be considered an assassination. AMM