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I just looked at that article that had the cat's picture on it. I now have two questions.
A. How did they get the cat to wear that cap?
B. How did they manage to get the cat to stand still long enough for them to take the picture?
JesseG 06:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I've just put a photo request tag here. Preferably of the cat with the cap. Totnesmartin 13:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is this the same as Sydney King? 132.156.106.77 ( talk) 16:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I have placed a speedy deletion template on Sydney King. -- Orlady ( talk) 17:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is non-encyclopedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.155.147.114 ( talk) 04:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
The idea of a "list of cats with fraudulent diplomas" is a little odd and jokey, although the content is reasonable and cited. The significant aspect is not that a series of cats have been awarded fradulent diplomas — it's that people working to expose diploma mills sometimes use cats as funny newsworthy hooks. Maybe this material should instead be included in a section within diploma mill about efforts to expose fradulent diplomas. Dreamyshade ( talk) 06:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree most with this comment. And don't forget the dog or dogs as well! Klueless ( talk) 15:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
They';re noteworthy though not necessarily notable examples, though I would expand to animals other than cats. When things are not notable enough for an article, they can and should be a section of a more general article. That's the sort of list it is here, and it's highly appropriate. DGG ( talk ) 04:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Have removed the merge template. I see no consensus to merge and the template merge discussion was incomplete anyhow as Diploma mill has no such merge discuss about this merge. SunCreator ( talk) 02:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Although a "list of cats with fraudulent diplomas" may not be an entirely appropriate Wikipedia article in its own right, the topic, in my opinion, would be an important addition to the 'diploma mills' entry. That cats have indeed been awarded diplomas is interesting and verifiable evidence of shenanigans.
I use Wikipedia quite a bit, especially as a starting point to whatever I wish to research. If I wanted to prove a point, or verify my claims about 'diploma mill' shenanigans, the "list of cats with fraudulent diplomas" would be wonderfully helpful proof - it is outlandish, and outlandish is the best kind of immediate evidence!
Yowmoon ( talk) 14:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was page moved. ukexpat ( talk) 19:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
List of cats with fraudulent diplomas →
List of animals with fraudulent diplomas — The suggestion to rename this article to reflect a broader topic had some support at
the deletion discussion. Does it have consensus?
Skomorokh,
barbarian 13:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it the intent of this article to include fictional and/or imaginary cats in this list? The referenced cat "Sonny" is a "character" on an Australian TV show, and the source is a link to YouTube. Any opinion before I jettison this? Seduisant ( talk) 16:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Unless there is either a “reliable” source that claims that most recipient beasts are cats, or at least a “reliable” source that claims to be a comprehensive list of all cases, the claim that most recipient beasts are cats cannot stand. In fact, neither claim is likely from any “reliable” source, though there is some chance of a “reliable” source that notes the number of such recipients who have been reported in newspapers &c. — SlamDiego ←T 06:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I am putting this message here, so that if the article goes up for deletion, as a participant in this article, I can be notified. Thanks for the great article! Ikip ( talk) 23:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I've decided to add it to WP:Unusual articles. If someone can think up a witty tag line please do change it from the current one. -- œ ™ 10:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Smashing article, but I wondered why this entry appears in the See also section, as it appears entirely irrelevant. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Within each main section, should the entries be in date order, oldest to newest? Discuss. -- Lexein ( talk) 09:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
It's silly, but this happened. WP isn't a repository of jokes, as far as I know. The fact that animals have degrees is funny enough. Puns aren't needed - any reader who peruses the references can see the pun for themselves. Moreover the User:Blufftonu seems to have been specifically created to force this particular pun into this particular article - see Special:Contributions/Blufftonu. I throw the diiscussion open to interested editors. -- Lexein ( talk) 05:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I mean, they're already on campus. Life experience: Kinsey studies. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
A more interesting article might be the list of animals with real, earned, degrees. Bill ( talk) 05:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
There was a concern raised in the deletion discussion that each item was singly-sourced. So I've added 2nd, independent sources where there were none. Kitty O'Malley and Chester Ludlow are problematic, as they seem to be singly-sourced. Help? -- Lexein ( talk) 18:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
In this edit the entry about Chester Ludlow was deleted due to the dubiousness of the source, GetEducated.com. There was no news, magazine, or book support for the claim, but the company has issued press releases here and here. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:40, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Moving/editing here for discussion.
The Alton Herald exists, and has archives including Feb 14, 2003, but not of this story. Also, a minister's license has not so far been considered a fraudulent educational degree or medical license, and so may not qualify as a fraudulent diploma. Worthy of discussion, if supported by a reliable source or two. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted the fake entry "Dave Catermanus" added by IP user 96.49.121.200 on Dec 22 2011, with ever-changing details, including addition of a false source. User warned. -- Lexein ( talk) 02:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I've conformed the section names to those stated in the sources. We can, as readers, fairly assume that the pet's name + the owner's surname was used to register on the various applications, but as editors, we should not state what the sources do not. -- Lexein ( talk) 00:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
By way of explanation, the lead is written to support the WP:LIST requirement that inclusion criteria be stated, while simultaneously not mentioning Wikipedia policies, per something. -- Lexein ( talk) 18:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Florida Senate bill 93 (1988) legislated credentials required for dieticians or nutritionists.
Looking for the FL Senate hearing transcripts about the dog, the cat, and the gerbil. You can help! -- Lexein ( talk) 18:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Does STU's new location matter in this article? Is Gollin RS for this? He seems not to discuss it, but only mirror its website. Discuss. -- Lexein ( talk) 15:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the following, for lacking a citation that the animal obtained a fraudulent diploma. Also, the animal in the song is a fictional drummer, presumably human, and so is out of scope for this article.
-- Lexein ( talk) 07:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
...an article on pets that have received credit cards? I love this stuff! -- Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:46, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I am laughing so hard!
I seem to remember a dog from a frat at University of Southern Ca who received a degree. I believe the guys would each take a class in their major. Possibly around the late '80's to early '90's. Dropping this here in the hopes someone knows/finds info on it! MurderByDeadcopy "bang!" 14:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Humans are also animals, and this article specifically does not include humans, which means that the title needs further specification for the sake of accuracy.
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Although this article is entitled "List of animals with fraudulent diplomas", a good number of the examples on this list do not involve diplomas (which require coursework, exams, papers, etc.), but instead certificates of memberships (which often involve only sending in an application and a payment). The two really aren't comparable. -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 15:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Surely it's a silly phrasing! Animals obviously can't achieve academic success and this implies that some animals can achieve academic success, and it just so happens the ones featured in this article haven't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:818:DA34:B400:89DB:768E:6267:4A5D ( talk) 17:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to List of animals awarded human credentials - jc37 03:15, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
List of animals with fraudulent diplomas →
List of animals with fraudulent credentials edited to add for closer: discussion suggested that a better target name is "List of animals awarded human credentials" (end added note)– As the list has developed, its scope has expanded beyond "diplomas" to include "things like diplomas", such as registration, memberships, accreditation, certificates, and so on. "Credentials", being less specific than "diploma", seems appropriate as an umbrella term for the entries.
Schazjmd
(talk) 18:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
I think there's general agreement on List of animals awarded human credentials and discussion has tapered off, so I'm going to request a formal closure at WP:ANC. Schazjmd (talk) 00:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I suggest that we remove the case of "Henrietta". In that case, all that was obtained was membership in a professional society, which should not be considered as any sort of certification or diploma.
References
— BarrelProof ( talk) 20:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
As noted in the discussion^ about renaming the page "As the list has developed, its scope has expanded beyond "diplomas" to include "things like diplomas", such as registration, memberships, accreditation, certificates, and so on". Henrietta's membership-not-diploma was removed but the List was renamed and its current name would seem to cover membership 'accreditation'. Are there any objections to me re-adding it? (^I'm cross with myself for missing that, I liked the word fraudulent and it did the work of pointing out that the things applied for were largely nonsense while acknowledging the sneakiness used in acquiring them (by the owners too)). JoBrodie ( talk) 08:55, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Stumbling on this article made me think of the Roman emperor who (alledgedly) made his horse a senator. A quick google search revealed there's already a WP-article about the horse. (see Incitatus) I believe this article should be expanded to include (historical) cases where animals have been put in positions clearly meant for humans. Dutchy45 ( talk) 04:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
This article focuses on animals who received a diploma from schools that aren't accredited or are otherwise seen as diploma mills. Despite the new-ish title of this article implying that this list encompasses all noteworthy animals who have received human credentials from both (for lack of better terms) legitimate and illegitimate sources, it only focuses on the latter and says the former is not in scope. But why? Do we have a list of animals receiving honorary/mock degrees from accredited institutions on Wikipedia? And if so, why can't we merge them? MooseMike ( talk) 17:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
This article has clearly been vandalized at several points, with many sections having absurd inserts. A. Rosenberg ( talk) 23:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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I just looked at that article that had the cat's picture on it. I now have two questions.
A. How did they get the cat to wear that cap?
B. How did they manage to get the cat to stand still long enough for them to take the picture?
JesseG 06:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I've just put a photo request tag here. Preferably of the cat with the cap. Totnesmartin 13:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is this the same as Sydney King? 132.156.106.77 ( talk) 16:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I have placed a speedy deletion template on Sydney King. -- Orlady ( talk) 17:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is non-encyclopedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.155.147.114 ( talk) 04:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
The idea of a "list of cats with fraudulent diplomas" is a little odd and jokey, although the content is reasonable and cited. The significant aspect is not that a series of cats have been awarded fradulent diplomas — it's that people working to expose diploma mills sometimes use cats as funny newsworthy hooks. Maybe this material should instead be included in a section within diploma mill about efforts to expose fradulent diplomas. Dreamyshade ( talk) 06:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree most with this comment. And don't forget the dog or dogs as well! Klueless ( talk) 15:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
They';re noteworthy though not necessarily notable examples, though I would expand to animals other than cats. When things are not notable enough for an article, they can and should be a section of a more general article. That's the sort of list it is here, and it's highly appropriate. DGG ( talk ) 04:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Have removed the merge template. I see no consensus to merge and the template merge discussion was incomplete anyhow as Diploma mill has no such merge discuss about this merge. SunCreator ( talk) 02:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Although a "list of cats with fraudulent diplomas" may not be an entirely appropriate Wikipedia article in its own right, the topic, in my opinion, would be an important addition to the 'diploma mills' entry. That cats have indeed been awarded diplomas is interesting and verifiable evidence of shenanigans.
I use Wikipedia quite a bit, especially as a starting point to whatever I wish to research. If I wanted to prove a point, or verify my claims about 'diploma mill' shenanigans, the "list of cats with fraudulent diplomas" would be wonderfully helpful proof - it is outlandish, and outlandish is the best kind of immediate evidence!
Yowmoon ( talk) 14:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was page moved. ukexpat ( talk) 19:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
List of cats with fraudulent diplomas →
List of animals with fraudulent diplomas — The suggestion to rename this article to reflect a broader topic had some support at
the deletion discussion. Does it have consensus?
Skomorokh,
barbarian 13:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it the intent of this article to include fictional and/or imaginary cats in this list? The referenced cat "Sonny" is a "character" on an Australian TV show, and the source is a link to YouTube. Any opinion before I jettison this? Seduisant ( talk) 16:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Unless there is either a “reliable” source that claims that most recipient beasts are cats, or at least a “reliable” source that claims to be a comprehensive list of all cases, the claim that most recipient beasts are cats cannot stand. In fact, neither claim is likely from any “reliable” source, though there is some chance of a “reliable” source that notes the number of such recipients who have been reported in newspapers &c. — SlamDiego ←T 06:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I am putting this message here, so that if the article goes up for deletion, as a participant in this article, I can be notified. Thanks for the great article! Ikip ( talk) 23:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I've decided to add it to WP:Unusual articles. If someone can think up a witty tag line please do change it from the current one. -- œ ™ 10:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Smashing article, but I wondered why this entry appears in the See also section, as it appears entirely irrelevant. -- Dweller ( talk) 11:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Within each main section, should the entries be in date order, oldest to newest? Discuss. -- Lexein ( talk) 09:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
It's silly, but this happened. WP isn't a repository of jokes, as far as I know. The fact that animals have degrees is funny enough. Puns aren't needed - any reader who peruses the references can see the pun for themselves. Moreover the User:Blufftonu seems to have been specifically created to force this particular pun into this particular article - see Special:Contributions/Blufftonu. I throw the diiscussion open to interested editors. -- Lexein ( talk) 05:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I mean, they're already on campus. Life experience: Kinsey studies. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
A more interesting article might be the list of animals with real, earned, degrees. Bill ( talk) 05:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
There was a concern raised in the deletion discussion that each item was singly-sourced. So I've added 2nd, independent sources where there were none. Kitty O'Malley and Chester Ludlow are problematic, as they seem to be singly-sourced. Help? -- Lexein ( talk) 18:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
In this edit the entry about Chester Ludlow was deleted due to the dubiousness of the source, GetEducated.com. There was no news, magazine, or book support for the claim, but the company has issued press releases here and here. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:40, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Moving/editing here for discussion.
The Alton Herald exists, and has archives including Feb 14, 2003, but not of this story. Also, a minister's license has not so far been considered a fraudulent educational degree or medical license, and so may not qualify as a fraudulent diploma. Worthy of discussion, if supported by a reliable source or two. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted the fake entry "Dave Catermanus" added by IP user 96.49.121.200 on Dec 22 2011, with ever-changing details, including addition of a false source. User warned. -- Lexein ( talk) 02:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I've conformed the section names to those stated in the sources. We can, as readers, fairly assume that the pet's name + the owner's surname was used to register on the various applications, but as editors, we should not state what the sources do not. -- Lexein ( talk) 00:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
By way of explanation, the lead is written to support the WP:LIST requirement that inclusion criteria be stated, while simultaneously not mentioning Wikipedia policies, per something. -- Lexein ( talk) 18:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Florida Senate bill 93 (1988) legislated credentials required for dieticians or nutritionists.
Looking for the FL Senate hearing transcripts about the dog, the cat, and the gerbil. You can help! -- Lexein ( talk) 18:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Does STU's new location matter in this article? Is Gollin RS for this? He seems not to discuss it, but only mirror its website. Discuss. -- Lexein ( talk) 15:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the following, for lacking a citation that the animal obtained a fraudulent diploma. Also, the animal in the song is a fictional drummer, presumably human, and so is out of scope for this article.
-- Lexein ( talk) 07:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
...an article on pets that have received credit cards? I love this stuff! -- Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:46, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I am laughing so hard!
I seem to remember a dog from a frat at University of Southern Ca who received a degree. I believe the guys would each take a class in their major. Possibly around the late '80's to early '90's. Dropping this here in the hopes someone knows/finds info on it! MurderByDeadcopy "bang!" 14:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Humans are also animals, and this article specifically does not include humans, which means that the title needs further specification for the sake of accuracy.
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Although this article is entitled "List of animals with fraudulent diplomas", a good number of the examples on this list do not involve diplomas (which require coursework, exams, papers, etc.), but instead certificates of memberships (which often involve only sending in an application and a payment). The two really aren't comparable. -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 15:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Surely it's a silly phrasing! Animals obviously can't achieve academic success and this implies that some animals can achieve academic success, and it just so happens the ones featured in this article haven't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:818:DA34:B400:89DB:768E:6267:4A5D ( talk) 17:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to List of animals awarded human credentials - jc37 03:15, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
List of animals with fraudulent diplomas →
List of animals with fraudulent credentials edited to add for closer: discussion suggested that a better target name is "List of animals awarded human credentials" (end added note)– As the list has developed, its scope has expanded beyond "diplomas" to include "things like diplomas", such as registration, memberships, accreditation, certificates, and so on. "Credentials", being less specific than "diploma", seems appropriate as an umbrella term for the entries.
Schazjmd
(talk) 18:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
I think there's general agreement on List of animals awarded human credentials and discussion has tapered off, so I'm going to request a formal closure at WP:ANC. Schazjmd (talk) 00:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I suggest that we remove the case of "Henrietta". In that case, all that was obtained was membership in a professional society, which should not be considered as any sort of certification or diploma.
References
— BarrelProof ( talk) 20:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
As noted in the discussion^ about renaming the page "As the list has developed, its scope has expanded beyond "diplomas" to include "things like diplomas", such as registration, memberships, accreditation, certificates, and so on". Henrietta's membership-not-diploma was removed but the List was renamed and its current name would seem to cover membership 'accreditation'. Are there any objections to me re-adding it? (^I'm cross with myself for missing that, I liked the word fraudulent and it did the work of pointing out that the things applied for were largely nonsense while acknowledging the sneakiness used in acquiring them (by the owners too)). JoBrodie ( talk) 08:55, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Stumbling on this article made me think of the Roman emperor who (alledgedly) made his horse a senator. A quick google search revealed there's already a WP-article about the horse. (see Incitatus) I believe this article should be expanded to include (historical) cases where animals have been put in positions clearly meant for humans. Dutchy45 ( talk) 04:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
This article focuses on animals who received a diploma from schools that aren't accredited or are otherwise seen as diploma mills. Despite the new-ish title of this article implying that this list encompasses all noteworthy animals who have received human credentials from both (for lack of better terms) legitimate and illegitimate sources, it only focuses on the latter and says the former is not in scope. But why? Do we have a list of animals receiving honorary/mock degrees from accredited institutions on Wikipedia? And if so, why can't we merge them? MooseMike ( talk) 17:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
This article has clearly been vandalized at several points, with many sections having absurd inserts. A. Rosenberg ( talk) 23:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)