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Leonardo Spa is the italian brand wholly owner of Agusta Westland.There's little to comment. [1] 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 19:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Just out of interest to those that keep reverting the changes to the article, "origin" is the origin of the aircraft not the company involved. The CSAR-rolled AW101s for the Air Force are built in Yeovil which is not in Italy, The Navy 101s are built in Italy. Also on other aircraft types unless somebody can provide evidence that Italy operates Non-Italian built Typhoons or Tornados I will change it back to Say Italy, also I have not seen a reliable reference that any of the Brazil-built AMXs are in Italian service. Also the Air Force NH-90s are built in Italy. As also all ATR72s are assembled in France then that also needs to be changed. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:18, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
The sole owner of the brand of all its compnents it's now Leonardo.All the references you ask can be easily found ,you 're fighting a lost battle in bad feith. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Technology and production is owned by the italian company Leonardo.The seller is Leonardo.Even many pieces of products can arrive from Italy.Nothing is british.Buton in drinks sector was italian but now is Diageo (UK) 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:30, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Check Leonardo holding and you find that AW is owned by it that is based in Rome.AW is an italian company at every level with production sites all over the world.That town is one of those.
79.42.201.202 (
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Can you prove that pieces don't arrive from Italy or other countries? In the reference the helicopter is officially a product made by AW owned by Leonardo (Rome,Italy).It's beginning a trolling.Please set a reference that the helicopter is owned by a british brand. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:43, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
The matter is that you report the owner site that is italian.The brand is italian even if the product is made (partially may be because pieces arrive from all over the world)in UK.Before it was an italian-british brand. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Ownership and so the owner of technology.Products can be produced everywhere. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
I can't give you the answer you like.The owner is Leonardo.F-35 are produced also in Italy by Leonardo ,so are they an italian product?It seems US don't like to hear this.If it it 's so i can edit that F35 is an italian product built with licence.I don't believe this at all. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:58, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
No.They are US technology.So try to set in all F35 sites that F35 has its origin in Italy)Who decides if tomorrow Yeovil is opened or closed or what as to do? 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 21:09, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Origin is who projects it.In this case Leonardo. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 21:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
For that product i'll make you happy ,i'll set Italy /UK even if reality is different.BAE is the only true origin of british products.I don't want to discuss for this things or similar ones. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 07:27, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I must really object to the "national origin" of both Tornado and Typhoon being described as "European Union". Whatever idea of "origin" one might have, most EU countries never took part in these projects and the EU as a political entity - I'd hardly call it a "nation" - certainly never had anything to do with them. As we all know both planes "originated" from a UK-Germany-Italy initiative.
As to the similar related debate about Leonardo, why not replace "national origin" with "original manufacturer" or something like that. Those who must needs be overproud of a given country can click the link and learn the vicissitudes of that company.
After all, what is exactly the meaning (and relevance) of "national origin" in a world of outsourcing and multinationals?
If we consider ownership, would my (presumably Italian) friend at 79.42.201.202 describe an Alfa Romeo (by the way, I own one) as "of Dutch origin" because Stellantis is headquartered in Amsterdam? I think not. Also, the "national origin" of Rolls-Royce cars would be Germany (BMW), and the "national origin" of Guinness beer would be the UK (the owner is London-based Diageo). Try telling that to an Irishman.
If we consider "where it was assembled and flown" (as per MilborneOne statement above) - sounds better, but we are disregarding who designed it and where - and anyway, what happens when something is assembled in two or more countries but (necessarily) made its maiden flight in just one of them? Is Concorde of "French origin" because it first flew in Toulouse? 93.66.2.71 ( talk) 23:02, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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Leonardo Spa is the italian brand wholly owner of Agusta Westland.There's little to comment. [1] 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 19:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Just out of interest to those that keep reverting the changes to the article, "origin" is the origin of the aircraft not the company involved. The CSAR-rolled AW101s for the Air Force are built in Yeovil which is not in Italy, The Navy 101s are built in Italy. Also on other aircraft types unless somebody can provide evidence that Italy operates Non-Italian built Typhoons or Tornados I will change it back to Say Italy, also I have not seen a reliable reference that any of the Brazil-built AMXs are in Italian service. Also the Air Force NH-90s are built in Italy. As also all ATR72s are assembled in France then that also needs to be changed. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:18, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
The sole owner of the brand of all its compnents it's now Leonardo.All the references you ask can be easily found ,you 're fighting a lost battle in bad feith. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Technology and production is owned by the italian company Leonardo.The seller is Leonardo.Even many pieces of products can arrive from Italy.Nothing is british.Buton in drinks sector was italian but now is Diageo (UK) 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:30, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Check Leonardo holding and you find that AW is owned by it that is based in Rome.AW is an italian company at every level with production sites all over the world.That town is one of those.
79.42.201.202 (
talk) 20:38, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Can you prove that pieces don't arrive from Italy or other countries? In the reference the helicopter is officially a product made by AW owned by Leonardo (Rome,Italy).It's beginning a trolling.Please set a reference that the helicopter is owned by a british brand. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:43, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
The matter is that you report the owner site that is italian.The brand is italian even if the product is made (partially may be because pieces arrive from all over the world)in UK.Before it was an italian-british brand. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Ownership and so the owner of technology.Products can be produced everywhere. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
I can't give you the answer you like.The owner is Leonardo.F-35 are produced also in Italy by Leonardo ,so are they an italian product?It seems US don't like to hear this.If it it 's so i can edit that F35 is an italian product built with licence.I don't believe this at all. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 20:58, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
No.They are US technology.So try to set in all F35 sites that F35 has its origin in Italy)Who decides if tomorrow Yeovil is opened or closed or what as to do? 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 21:09, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Origin is who projects it.In this case Leonardo. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 21:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
For that product i'll make you happy ,i'll set Italy /UK even if reality is different.BAE is the only true origin of british products.I don't want to discuss for this things or similar ones. 79.42.201.202 ( talk) 07:27, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I must really object to the "national origin" of both Tornado and Typhoon being described as "European Union". Whatever idea of "origin" one might have, most EU countries never took part in these projects and the EU as a political entity - I'd hardly call it a "nation" - certainly never had anything to do with them. As we all know both planes "originated" from a UK-Germany-Italy initiative.
As to the similar related debate about Leonardo, why not replace "national origin" with "original manufacturer" or something like that. Those who must needs be overproud of a given country can click the link and learn the vicissitudes of that company.
After all, what is exactly the meaning (and relevance) of "national origin" in a world of outsourcing and multinationals?
If we consider ownership, would my (presumably Italian) friend at 79.42.201.202 describe an Alfa Romeo (by the way, I own one) as "of Dutch origin" because Stellantis is headquartered in Amsterdam? I think not. Also, the "national origin" of Rolls-Royce cars would be Germany (BMW), and the "national origin" of Guinness beer would be the UK (the owner is London-based Diageo). Try telling that to an Irishman.
If we consider "where it was assembled and flown" (as per MilborneOne statement above) - sounds better, but we are disregarding who designed it and where - and anyway, what happens when something is assembled in two or more countries but (necessarily) made its maiden flight in just one of them? Is Concorde of "French origin" because it first flew in Toulouse? 93.66.2.71 ( talk) 23:02, 4 May 2023 (UTC)