Previous points solved
Remaining issues
I previously wrote:
“ | Also, consider moving all references of the 'blue link' (existing articles) entries of the list to the article about the game, instead of this list | ” |
Short: I'm still not happy with how the references are done. More thorough criticism now than last time, and I hope you all find it constructive.
Long: Two issues with the references on this page remain: style and policy. Style, because the way it's done now may provide users with easy-to-access references, but in an ugly way. There's just too many little arrows and link icons in there now, and together with the mix of red and blue, the title column is a mess. The policy issue is simple: if one would print this page now (for example by including it into a WikiReader or a Pocket Packet, and let someone else read it, that person would not be able to read the references.
Suggestions:
The second has my personal preference, but the current situation is not something to continue with IMHO.
New points
That being said, B-class.
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User:Krator (
t
c)
00:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Uncompetence 06:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I tried looking for, but could not find, any source saying that Hail to the Chimp and TNA Impact will be coming to the Wii--as of current, they only say that they are coming for Next Generation Consoles. These are the only two games currently that do not have a source in their article that explicitly states that a version for the Wii is in the works. I'm sure that they will be coming, just wanting to make sure that every game in this list is verifiable. - Digiwrld1 00:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
-- User:Krator ( t c) 19:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Currently undergoing Peer Review
Please direct your comments/suggestions to the Peer Review linked to at the CVG infobox. Thank you.
Digiwrld1
22:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Can someone change it so if only the quarter is known, it is listed as "Q2 2007" rather than "2007 Q2"? The former is how it is always listed, both by the press and the publishers themselves. It is also more natural. It would be like saying "2007 September" rather than the correct "September 2007". TJ Spyke 00:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
First, when adding a game to the list make sure a source accompanies it. If it is not explicitly mentioned in the 3 lists at the bottom of the reference section, use cite web and give the source. So GHII, for example, would need a source as its not mentioned in any of the lists.
Second, every announcement that had been made concerning the Wii and Guitar Hero failed to mention whether it would be a port for Guitar Hero 2 or whether a new iteration would be released. Most blogs/sites assumed that with the 360 getting GH2, it would follow suit that the Wii gets GH3. I remind again that this was pure assumption.
The updated FAQ on Red Octane (makers of the guitar peripheral) revealed that indeed it will be Guitar Hero 3 that is coming to the Wii, and as such the source is given for verifiability. Up until that point, no mention was given as to which GH the Wii would receive, but now that it has been released sites like IGN have updated their games list to reflect this update. So please don't add that Guitar Hero 2 is being released for the Wii, as now we have learned that it will be GH3. Digiwrld1 02:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice that citations are starting to creep back into the table itself as footnotes. Is this what we have decided on or is it an ongoing issue? In the past month alone, there have been a number of changes and (temporary) policies including the external link arrows in the name and date columns, a push to move all references to the game's own pages and now footnote citations. I don't think it really matters what one we go with, but it should be consistent.
As an aside, is the silver colour needed for the Unreleased games? I know it looks pretty, but it is maintainable int he long term? And if it is going to be used, a mention needs to go in the How-to guide. Telvin 3d 08:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
all these entries are missing; these show up in the edit page, but not the entry page. what the hell? Tehw1k1 02:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Missing Games-I noticed that there are games missing from the list, such as Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and Mario Strikers Charged. They should be re-added. -- Gaming King 13:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The LOST video game is also missing.
Something is very, very wrong with the Templates. Nothing in the source of this page has been significantly altered, but the Wii template isn't showing up, Cite Web templates are getting a bit messed up and not showing the information. Is it just me that's seeing this? - Digiwrld1 21:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Also, note the following:
Before your most recent edit:
Pre-expand include size: 2047914 bytes Post-expand include size: 405797 bytes Template argument size: 108546 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
After your most recent edit:
Pre-expand include size: 2047914 bytes Post-expand include size: 405708 bytes Template argument size: 108546 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
Or: it isn't helping. Something else should be figured out. Splitting the article? -- User:Krator ( t c) 22:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Pre-expand include size: 1138730 bytes Post-expand include size: 236573 bytes Template argument size: 61806 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
To view in which order the hidden elements are sorting the table (currently not as it should be), download the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox here, then choose Misc. -> show hidden elements in that toolbar. It will make all hidden elements appear. -- User:Krator ( t c) 10:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
This is just a suggestion, but I'd like to see a column or additional list that shows the 5 most recent games added to the list, so people can keep up with the new game announcements. Tehw1k1 20:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
If it's recently annouced but not released yet, why not just add it to the list as "unreleased" as long as it can be confirmed? Speaking of recently anounced, Dragonball Z Sparking! METEOR has been confirmed for the Nintendo Wii and Plastation 2. -- Waenishikusu 18:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted the following, because no sources were cited in the change:
Please do not revert again, unless:
-- User:Krator ( t c) 14:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking that we could remake this article to look like the List of Virtual Console Games (North America) article, where released and un-released games are sorted into different categories, so people don't get confused. Please Discuss
The thing about video game creation is that even if you've released a playable demo, it can still be pushed back, or canceled. It happens to all the major developers, and it definitely happens with the smaller developers. In that sense it makes it difficult to have a 100% accurate list on Wikipedia, but to try and approach that the list must be kept updated--which includes removing games that have essentially disappeared as much as adding new ones. My proposal is to remove the following games if no major information is released by the periods specified.
Blitz: E3 2007 (July 11-13)
Broken Saints: Comic-Con 2007 (July 26-29)
Disaster Day of Crisis/Project Hammer: E4All (October 18-23)
Final Furlong: E3 2007
JAWA: TGS 2007 (September 20-23)
Midnight/Orb/Thorn (Crossbeam Studios): Q1 2008
ROTR/Sadness: Q1 2008
Sidewinder: E3 2007
How do you guys feel about this? I've only listed those games which have been sitting there with little updates, and I feel that there is plenty of time for new info to come out. As you can see, independent developers get a longer period than major developers do. Digiwrld1 05:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
This game has been released in Japan, is anyone actively updating this list? I'm wondering where the information on (TBA) versus (unreleased) comes from. Bakarocket 12:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Should Manhunt 2 have been completely removed? So far Take-Two hasn't announced what will happen to the game, so we don't know if it will be released or not. We know the game exists, all Nintendo said is that they won't allow the game to be released unless it can avoid the AO rating. -- VederJuda 13:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
These "two" games are the same game. I don't know how to update the list properly, so ask that one of you guys could do it. As for citations, bear with me: I am playing the "TBA" 'Go! Go! Minon' RIGHT NOW, and noone can even find a boxshot of 'Machi Kuru Domino'...even sources (such as IGN: [1]) that state BOTH games under developer (Success/Red Entertainment) have the SAME description for both games. Developer's website [2] lists 'Go! Go! Minon' as their only Wii release. If 'Machi Kuru Domino' was a Wii launch title, they would surely acknowledge it's existance. So although I have no direct citation of my claim, there is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence.
On a separate note, is there a sub project to list the localization names of the titles? For example, The list specifies Eldees EU for Elebits USA, JPN, but more drastic localization variations are NOT noted (ie. Dragon Ball Z: Sparking! NEO JPN = Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 USA...Such variations/interpretations could be misnoted as different games (such as problem above) and could easily be added as details in the list while keeping a clean sortable structure.
Thanks!
66.69.160.247 05:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)keroppi_667@hotmail.com
Direct Link to Nintendo Press Room to Verify/Link Game Entries and Dates: http://press.nintendo.com/e32007/
To whoever has reinstated the Exclusive Column: The editors of this page agreed to remove the exclusive column a whiles back and as such should not be there. Thank you.
Column is super ugly and unnecessary, not to mention inaccurate in some instances. Please get rid of it oh Ghod!!111!!! Tehw1k1 02:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The best way to find exclusive games is to go here: Category:Wii-only games -- MisterHand ( Talk to the Hand| Contribs) 21:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
We appreciate your contributions Exukvera, but this is a very bad time to mess around with the page's established format, with E3 news rolling in, and several editors updating the page. Also there were several inaccuracies: non-exclusive games marked exclusive. There are also some disagreements about what TRULY constitutes an exclusive game, for instance Mercury Meltdown Revolution is just a Playstation port with a different name and Wiimote controls. State your case about why indication of exclusives is necessary before you proceed with further edits please. Tehw1k1 16:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure what the problem is, but sorting by North American release date isn't working properly. -- enbob89 19:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Now it's just not working at all. -- enbob89 23:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
What's the ideal way to format dates? They are done several different ways on the list. This should be added to the faq or the how-to guide on adding a new game. Tehw1k1 23:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone should add Nintendogs Wii to the list. Check out this http://wii.ign.com/articles/708/708027p1.html. -- Scotty12 21:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Release date for Europe is in December 2007.
Why can't the 360 list, PS3 list and Wii list all share a consistent format? The Wii list format is the best, IMO. Tehw1k1 07:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think Rock Band is coming out for the Wii. I think it is only for PS3 and Xbox 360 24.115.70.56 01:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Something that may be helpful to users would be to include the ESRB ratings in the table Jcgod 13:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Something that may be helpful to users would be to include the ESRB ratings in the table Jcgod 13:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Well Which game do you think is the best for the wii? I have already finished Zelda and i think it is an amazing game any other game you might think is really goood for the wii.
I think that Super Mario Stikers is the best game for the wii. But i personally would buy the Xbox 360 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chatterson ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
As stated above, the talk page is for discussion of the article; it is not a forum for discussion of the Wii or it's games. Thanks 68.181.235.92 17:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Necessary or no? Voice your opinion here. Should we have a vote on whether it stays or goes? Tehw1k1 16:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
That the Wii and its related software releases at different times for every country is the primary argument against having a column for Australia. Yes, Nintendo of Australia is a legitimate and realized company, but it still falls under the jurisdiction of Nintendo of Europe, as does Nintendo's South Africa and Middle East distribution. As such, the release dates between the two regions are very close, with release dates only a couple days away from each other. This is covered in the introduction, in which it is stated that individual release dates (i.e. that of Australia or New Zealand, or even South Korea and Singapore) varies from the given regional release dates (from Nintendo of Europe or Nintendo Company Ltd.) This list simply serves to give users an overall understanding of which Wii games have been released/announced and the dates, if available, for general regions. Specific release dates can be added to the individual games' pages. - Digiwrld1 00:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Satoru iwata talks about it in a interview, should we add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.16.253 ( talk) 17:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Please sighn comments The Wii Guy 02:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Are you guys even paying attention to the game dates or at least checking when the game releases. Because I can see alot of errors in the data base. Which namely comes from the dates alone. So before adding a game. Please check it's date with the GameFAQs Info database. Zeta26 22:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Previous points solved
Remaining issues
I previously wrote:
“ | Also, consider moving all references of the 'blue link' (existing articles) entries of the list to the article about the game, instead of this list | ” |
Short: I'm still not happy with how the references are done. More thorough criticism now than last time, and I hope you all find it constructive.
Long: Two issues with the references on this page remain: style and policy. Style, because the way it's done now may provide users with easy-to-access references, but in an ugly way. There's just too many little arrows and link icons in there now, and together with the mix of red and blue, the title column is a mess. The policy issue is simple: if one would print this page now (for example by including it into a WikiReader or a Pocket Packet, and let someone else read it, that person would not be able to read the references.
Suggestions:
The second has my personal preference, but the current situation is not something to continue with IMHO.
New points
That being said, B-class.
--
User:Krator (
t
c)
00:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Uncompetence 06:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I tried looking for, but could not find, any source saying that Hail to the Chimp and TNA Impact will be coming to the Wii--as of current, they only say that they are coming for Next Generation Consoles. These are the only two games currently that do not have a source in their article that explicitly states that a version for the Wii is in the works. I'm sure that they will be coming, just wanting to make sure that every game in this list is verifiable. - Digiwrld1 00:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
-- User:Krator ( t c) 19:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Currently undergoing Peer Review
Please direct your comments/suggestions to the Peer Review linked to at the CVG infobox. Thank you.
Digiwrld1
22:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Can someone change it so if only the quarter is known, it is listed as "Q2 2007" rather than "2007 Q2"? The former is how it is always listed, both by the press and the publishers themselves. It is also more natural. It would be like saying "2007 September" rather than the correct "September 2007". TJ Spyke 00:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
First, when adding a game to the list make sure a source accompanies it. If it is not explicitly mentioned in the 3 lists at the bottom of the reference section, use cite web and give the source. So GHII, for example, would need a source as its not mentioned in any of the lists.
Second, every announcement that had been made concerning the Wii and Guitar Hero failed to mention whether it would be a port for Guitar Hero 2 or whether a new iteration would be released. Most blogs/sites assumed that with the 360 getting GH2, it would follow suit that the Wii gets GH3. I remind again that this was pure assumption.
The updated FAQ on Red Octane (makers of the guitar peripheral) revealed that indeed it will be Guitar Hero 3 that is coming to the Wii, and as such the source is given for verifiability. Up until that point, no mention was given as to which GH the Wii would receive, but now that it has been released sites like IGN have updated their games list to reflect this update. So please don't add that Guitar Hero 2 is being released for the Wii, as now we have learned that it will be GH3. Digiwrld1 02:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice that citations are starting to creep back into the table itself as footnotes. Is this what we have decided on or is it an ongoing issue? In the past month alone, there have been a number of changes and (temporary) policies including the external link arrows in the name and date columns, a push to move all references to the game's own pages and now footnote citations. I don't think it really matters what one we go with, but it should be consistent.
As an aside, is the silver colour needed for the Unreleased games? I know it looks pretty, but it is maintainable int he long term? And if it is going to be used, a mention needs to go in the How-to guide. Telvin 3d 08:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
all these entries are missing; these show up in the edit page, but not the entry page. what the hell? Tehw1k1 02:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Missing Games-I noticed that there are games missing from the list, such as Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and Mario Strikers Charged. They should be re-added. -- Gaming King 13:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The LOST video game is also missing.
Something is very, very wrong with the Templates. Nothing in the source of this page has been significantly altered, but the Wii template isn't showing up, Cite Web templates are getting a bit messed up and not showing the information. Is it just me that's seeing this? - Digiwrld1 21:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Also, note the following:
Before your most recent edit:
Pre-expand include size: 2047914 bytes Post-expand include size: 405797 bytes Template argument size: 108546 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
After your most recent edit:
Pre-expand include size: 2047914 bytes Post-expand include size: 405708 bytes Template argument size: 108546 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
Or: it isn't helping. Something else should be figured out. Splitting the article? -- User:Krator ( t c) 22:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Pre-expand include size: 1138730 bytes Post-expand include size: 236573 bytes Template argument size: 61806 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
To view in which order the hidden elements are sorting the table (currently not as it should be), download the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox here, then choose Misc. -> show hidden elements in that toolbar. It will make all hidden elements appear. -- User:Krator ( t c) 10:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
This is just a suggestion, but I'd like to see a column or additional list that shows the 5 most recent games added to the list, so people can keep up with the new game announcements. Tehw1k1 20:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
If it's recently annouced but not released yet, why not just add it to the list as "unreleased" as long as it can be confirmed? Speaking of recently anounced, Dragonball Z Sparking! METEOR has been confirmed for the Nintendo Wii and Plastation 2. -- Waenishikusu 18:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted the following, because no sources were cited in the change:
Please do not revert again, unless:
-- User:Krator ( t c) 14:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking that we could remake this article to look like the List of Virtual Console Games (North America) article, where released and un-released games are sorted into different categories, so people don't get confused. Please Discuss
The thing about video game creation is that even if you've released a playable demo, it can still be pushed back, or canceled. It happens to all the major developers, and it definitely happens with the smaller developers. In that sense it makes it difficult to have a 100% accurate list on Wikipedia, but to try and approach that the list must be kept updated--which includes removing games that have essentially disappeared as much as adding new ones. My proposal is to remove the following games if no major information is released by the periods specified.
Blitz: E3 2007 (July 11-13)
Broken Saints: Comic-Con 2007 (July 26-29)
Disaster Day of Crisis/Project Hammer: E4All (October 18-23)
Final Furlong: E3 2007
JAWA: TGS 2007 (September 20-23)
Midnight/Orb/Thorn (Crossbeam Studios): Q1 2008
ROTR/Sadness: Q1 2008
Sidewinder: E3 2007
How do you guys feel about this? I've only listed those games which have been sitting there with little updates, and I feel that there is plenty of time for new info to come out. As you can see, independent developers get a longer period than major developers do. Digiwrld1 05:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
This game has been released in Japan, is anyone actively updating this list? I'm wondering where the information on (TBA) versus (unreleased) comes from. Bakarocket 12:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Should Manhunt 2 have been completely removed? So far Take-Two hasn't announced what will happen to the game, so we don't know if it will be released or not. We know the game exists, all Nintendo said is that they won't allow the game to be released unless it can avoid the AO rating. -- VederJuda 13:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
These "two" games are the same game. I don't know how to update the list properly, so ask that one of you guys could do it. As for citations, bear with me: I am playing the "TBA" 'Go! Go! Minon' RIGHT NOW, and noone can even find a boxshot of 'Machi Kuru Domino'...even sources (such as IGN: [1]) that state BOTH games under developer (Success/Red Entertainment) have the SAME description for both games. Developer's website [2] lists 'Go! Go! Minon' as their only Wii release. If 'Machi Kuru Domino' was a Wii launch title, they would surely acknowledge it's existance. So although I have no direct citation of my claim, there is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence.
On a separate note, is there a sub project to list the localization names of the titles? For example, The list specifies Eldees EU for Elebits USA, JPN, but more drastic localization variations are NOT noted (ie. Dragon Ball Z: Sparking! NEO JPN = Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 USA...Such variations/interpretations could be misnoted as different games (such as problem above) and could easily be added as details in the list while keeping a clean sortable structure.
Thanks!
66.69.160.247 05:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)keroppi_667@hotmail.com
Direct Link to Nintendo Press Room to Verify/Link Game Entries and Dates: http://press.nintendo.com/e32007/
To whoever has reinstated the Exclusive Column: The editors of this page agreed to remove the exclusive column a whiles back and as such should not be there. Thank you.
Column is super ugly and unnecessary, not to mention inaccurate in some instances. Please get rid of it oh Ghod!!111!!! Tehw1k1 02:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The best way to find exclusive games is to go here: Category:Wii-only games -- MisterHand ( Talk to the Hand| Contribs) 21:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
We appreciate your contributions Exukvera, but this is a very bad time to mess around with the page's established format, with E3 news rolling in, and several editors updating the page. Also there were several inaccuracies: non-exclusive games marked exclusive. There are also some disagreements about what TRULY constitutes an exclusive game, for instance Mercury Meltdown Revolution is just a Playstation port with a different name and Wiimote controls. State your case about why indication of exclusives is necessary before you proceed with further edits please. Tehw1k1 16:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure what the problem is, but sorting by North American release date isn't working properly. -- enbob89 19:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Now it's just not working at all. -- enbob89 23:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
What's the ideal way to format dates? They are done several different ways on the list. This should be added to the faq or the how-to guide on adding a new game. Tehw1k1 23:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone should add Nintendogs Wii to the list. Check out this http://wii.ign.com/articles/708/708027p1.html. -- Scotty12 21:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Release date for Europe is in December 2007.
Why can't the 360 list, PS3 list and Wii list all share a consistent format? The Wii list format is the best, IMO. Tehw1k1 07:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think Rock Band is coming out for the Wii. I think it is only for PS3 and Xbox 360 24.115.70.56 01:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Something that may be helpful to users would be to include the ESRB ratings in the table Jcgod 13:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Something that may be helpful to users would be to include the ESRB ratings in the table Jcgod 13:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Well Which game do you think is the best for the wii? I have already finished Zelda and i think it is an amazing game any other game you might think is really goood for the wii.
I think that Super Mario Stikers is the best game for the wii. But i personally would buy the Xbox 360 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chatterson ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
As stated above, the talk page is for discussion of the article; it is not a forum for discussion of the Wii or it's games. Thanks 68.181.235.92 17:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Necessary or no? Voice your opinion here. Should we have a vote on whether it stays or goes? Tehw1k1 16:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
That the Wii and its related software releases at different times for every country is the primary argument against having a column for Australia. Yes, Nintendo of Australia is a legitimate and realized company, but it still falls under the jurisdiction of Nintendo of Europe, as does Nintendo's South Africa and Middle East distribution. As such, the release dates between the two regions are very close, with release dates only a couple days away from each other. This is covered in the introduction, in which it is stated that individual release dates (i.e. that of Australia or New Zealand, or even South Korea and Singapore) varies from the given regional release dates (from Nintendo of Europe or Nintendo Company Ltd.) This list simply serves to give users an overall understanding of which Wii games have been released/announced and the dates, if available, for general regions. Specific release dates can be added to the individual games' pages. - Digiwrld1 00:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Satoru iwata talks about it in a interview, should we add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.16.253 ( talk) 17:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Please sighn comments The Wii Guy 02:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Are you guys even paying attention to the game dates or at least checking when the game releases. Because I can see alot of errors in the data base. Which namely comes from the dates alone. So before adding a game. Please check it's date with the GameFAQs Info database. Zeta26 22:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)