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I propose that West Ham United F.C. appearance records be merged with West Ham United F.C. goal records in order to create one article entitled West Ham United F.C. statistics, in line with Liverpool F.C. statistics and Manchester United F.C. statistics. Why have two articles on related subjects when you could just have one? - PeeJay 18:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyone got anything further to add to this discussion? Personally, I think that if these articles have any aspirations to reaching GA or FA standard, they really need to be merged together. A change in the colour scheme wouldn't go amiss either. – Pee Jay 09:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest a counter-proposal to merge to West Ham United F.C. players in line with other Category:Lists of footballers by club. The West Ham United F.C. statistics proposal should be one for a wider range of records as included on the two pages linked above. Peanut4 ( talk) 19:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that Southern League games are included in the main list of appearances, as these are regarded as notable e.g. if you look at Syd Puddefoot's entry at westhamstats then his SL apps are included in the total. I would exclude wartime apps as these are not generally included in these club lists. This would allow the current second section to be deleted. Also, most of these club lists tend to use a cut-off point of games played rather than Top 100, so I propose the first section be expanded to capture all players who have made 100+ senior games for the club. The columns would need changing - they could be amended to something like League (inc FL and SL), FAC and Other, then Total. Eldumpo ( talk) 14:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Further to changes outlined above I have not included a References column for the revised table. This is because westhamstats can easily be navigated to find stats on a player by name, without having the extra load time from all the references being included in the article. As only 3 names were directly referenced I thought this was reasonable, as opposed to overwriting loads of existing refs. Eldumpo ( talk) 18:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought it worth having a discussion/consideration of what competitions are deemed notable for inclusion in the stats. I assume westhamstats has been used as the basis of stats figures to date, but I have noticed that it includes appearances in tournaments that may not be regarded as notable e.g. Carlton Cole's stats include 2 Friendly appearances and these are currently included in our list. Another competition where it is more arguable that it is notable is the Tennent Caledonian Cup - see my question on this at the Manchester City talk page. Also, I note that Billy Bonds stats include the "Aberdeen Tournament", which I had not heard of before. I propose that a section be added to the article similar to that at List of Doncaster Rovers F.C. players to make it clear which competitions are to be included, and I will have a go at drafting this for the West Ham article shortly. Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I think this section should be deleted from the article, as it is not included at most of these player list pages. If it was felt useful to track top appearances by season a suitable column could be added to List of West Ham United F.C. seasons. Eldumpo ( talk) 17:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
As a follow-up to the above conversaton about competition notability, I notice that that Southern Professional Floodlit Cup (or Southern Floodlight Cup as it's referred to in most sources) is not included. Should it be? This was the forerunner to the Football League Cup and I was under the impression that it was a recognised pro/first team competition. Nzd (talk) 13:51, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
For this section would it be a good idea to add a column with number of England appearances for each player when they were with West Ham? So for Rio Ferdinand as an example - 81 appearances are displayed but the list doesn't reflect that only 10 of these were whilst he was at West Ham? England Football Online has all these stats and is a reliable source so I'm happy to make the updates unless anyone has a counter view ColchesterSid ( talk) 10:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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I propose that West Ham United F.C. appearance records be merged with West Ham United F.C. goal records in order to create one article entitled West Ham United F.C. statistics, in line with Liverpool F.C. statistics and Manchester United F.C. statistics. Why have two articles on related subjects when you could just have one? - PeeJay 18:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyone got anything further to add to this discussion? Personally, I think that if these articles have any aspirations to reaching GA or FA standard, they really need to be merged together. A change in the colour scheme wouldn't go amiss either. – Pee Jay 09:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest a counter-proposal to merge to West Ham United F.C. players in line with other Category:Lists of footballers by club. The West Ham United F.C. statistics proposal should be one for a wider range of records as included on the two pages linked above. Peanut4 ( talk) 19:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that Southern League games are included in the main list of appearances, as these are regarded as notable e.g. if you look at Syd Puddefoot's entry at westhamstats then his SL apps are included in the total. I would exclude wartime apps as these are not generally included in these club lists. This would allow the current second section to be deleted. Also, most of these club lists tend to use a cut-off point of games played rather than Top 100, so I propose the first section be expanded to capture all players who have made 100+ senior games for the club. The columns would need changing - they could be amended to something like League (inc FL and SL), FAC and Other, then Total. Eldumpo ( talk) 14:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Further to changes outlined above I have not included a References column for the revised table. This is because westhamstats can easily be navigated to find stats on a player by name, without having the extra load time from all the references being included in the article. As only 3 names were directly referenced I thought this was reasonable, as opposed to overwriting loads of existing refs. Eldumpo ( talk) 18:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought it worth having a discussion/consideration of what competitions are deemed notable for inclusion in the stats. I assume westhamstats has been used as the basis of stats figures to date, but I have noticed that it includes appearances in tournaments that may not be regarded as notable e.g. Carlton Cole's stats include 2 Friendly appearances and these are currently included in our list. Another competition where it is more arguable that it is notable is the Tennent Caledonian Cup - see my question on this at the Manchester City talk page. Also, I note that Billy Bonds stats include the "Aberdeen Tournament", which I had not heard of before. I propose that a section be added to the article similar to that at List of Doncaster Rovers F.C. players to make it clear which competitions are to be included, and I will have a go at drafting this for the West Ham article shortly. Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 08:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I think this section should be deleted from the article, as it is not included at most of these player list pages. If it was felt useful to track top appearances by season a suitable column could be added to List of West Ham United F.C. seasons. Eldumpo ( talk) 17:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
As a follow-up to the above conversaton about competition notability, I notice that that Southern Professional Floodlit Cup (or Southern Floodlight Cup as it's referred to in most sources) is not included. Should it be? This was the forerunner to the Football League Cup and I was under the impression that it was a recognised pro/first team competition. Nzd (talk) 13:51, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
For this section would it be a good idea to add a column with number of England appearances for each player when they were with West Ham? So for Rio Ferdinand as an example - 81 appearances are displayed but the list doesn't reflect that only 10 of these were whilst he was at West Ham? England Football Online has all these stats and is a reliable source so I'm happy to make the updates unless anyone has a counter view ColchesterSid ( talk) 10:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)