This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
List of Wainwrights article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() |
Daily pageviews of this article
A graph should have been displayed here but
graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at
pageviews.wmcloud.org |
I have altered [[Sail]] to [[Sail Fell|Sail]] because it doesn't make any sense for it to link to a page on sailing. There may be others with strange links Paul Tracy And there were - Yoke, Barf, High Street.
Hi. I just noticed that one of the fells under "The Outlying Fells", called The Knott, links to a Far Eastern Fell. User:freddyj66 Thanks, now dabbed. Bobble Hat 07:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Just noticed that Book 1 the Map for 32 Stone Arhur and 33 Gowbarrow are the wrong way round Philotheringer ( talk) 18:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Book One: The Eastern Fells - 12 High Crag. This fell is not in Book one. This error has thrown all the following fells out of order by one i.e. there are 35 fells in Book One not 36 as indicated. Regards — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.69.233.186 (
talk)
22:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Have added an article on List of Birketts in the Lake District and want to synchronize with this article (209 of the 214 Wainwrights are Birketts). Some of the references in the lede are old so trying to fix these. Am going to add a full current table on all 214 Wainwrights (as per Birketts) but will maintain the current tables by Book as they are so well done (doesn't matter so much if some of the metrics have changed as the list of Wainwrights is fixed). One idea that I would propose is to merge this article with the Outlying Fells of Lakeland, which is a very nice article but merging would create a good comprehensive wiki on Wainwrights? It would also avoid confusion regarding the two different types of Wainwrights, and they can share each other's graphics? Britishfinance ( talk) 17:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The second paragraph states "Wainwright did not state any rules about what should be included in his guides." This is not true. Wainwright was very specific. He defined an area based on the lakes themselves rather than the National Park borders and included all separate summits within that area over 1000 feet. He also declared one exception, Castle Crag. Unfortunately I no longer have my copy of the guides so I cannot provide a definitive statement. The statement on inclusion criteria is repeated in the introduction to all books of the series. A Wainwright was a 'rules' man and no-one who has read his books could believe that he would include or exclude fells on a whim. (Okay, we forgive him Castle Crag.) If he didn't have strict, well defined rules then he would surely have excluded Armboth Fell and Mungrisdale Common. OrewaTel ( talk) 23:09, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
An alert IP using the name of "Justan Otheranon Hillwalker" has pointed out at User_talk:Britishfinance#/info/en/?search=List_of_Wainwrights that the prominence figures given in the "Wainwrights by Height" table for all the non-Birkett Wainwrights are wrong! The "prominence in meters" figure was actually the height in feet, the "prominence in feet" was that figure converted to metres, leading to some extraordinary numbers - which no-one has noticed for five years. Unfortunately @ Britishfinance:, who created these tables and various others from Database of British and Irish Hills, hasn't edited for two years, so we can't ask them to fix the problem.
There are only 5 non-Birkett Wainwrights, and the figures for Castle Crag were OK. I think I have corrected the 2 prominence figures for each of the other 4 non-Birkett Wainwrights, disobeying the instruction that the table should never be edited unless using a totally new download from DBIH.
The Outlying Fells are another problem: there are about 60 Birketts, so 56 non-Birketts, so 56 fells to check in the database, 56 metre prominences to convert, 112 numbers to correct. I could try to fix them some time but not right now.
In case my changes have done anything wrong to the main table, I have included a comment "See talk" beside each number I corrected.
Does anyone have the data manipulation skills to refresh these tables in their entirety, I wonder, in the absence of their original creator? Does anyone care about them? The page views suggest that quite a few people look at the page, but the fact that no-one has noticed the dodgy prominences is ... interesting, let's say.
I've left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Lancashire and Cumbria#Problems with List of Wainwrights to see if anyone can help out, and messages pointing to that one on the other relevant Wikiproject talk pages. Pam D 21:39, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
List of Wainwrights article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() |
Daily pageviews of this article
A graph should have been displayed here but
graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at
pageviews.wmcloud.org |
I have altered [[Sail]] to [[Sail Fell|Sail]] because it doesn't make any sense for it to link to a page on sailing. There may be others with strange links Paul Tracy And there were - Yoke, Barf, High Street.
Hi. I just noticed that one of the fells under "The Outlying Fells", called The Knott, links to a Far Eastern Fell. User:freddyj66 Thanks, now dabbed. Bobble Hat 07:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Just noticed that Book 1 the Map for 32 Stone Arhur and 33 Gowbarrow are the wrong way round Philotheringer ( talk) 18:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Book One: The Eastern Fells - 12 High Crag. This fell is not in Book one. This error has thrown all the following fells out of order by one i.e. there are 35 fells in Book One not 36 as indicated. Regards — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.69.233.186 (
talk)
22:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Have added an article on List of Birketts in the Lake District and want to synchronize with this article (209 of the 214 Wainwrights are Birketts). Some of the references in the lede are old so trying to fix these. Am going to add a full current table on all 214 Wainwrights (as per Birketts) but will maintain the current tables by Book as they are so well done (doesn't matter so much if some of the metrics have changed as the list of Wainwrights is fixed). One idea that I would propose is to merge this article with the Outlying Fells of Lakeland, which is a very nice article but merging would create a good comprehensive wiki on Wainwrights? It would also avoid confusion regarding the two different types of Wainwrights, and they can share each other's graphics? Britishfinance ( talk) 17:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The second paragraph states "Wainwright did not state any rules about what should be included in his guides." This is not true. Wainwright was very specific. He defined an area based on the lakes themselves rather than the National Park borders and included all separate summits within that area over 1000 feet. He also declared one exception, Castle Crag. Unfortunately I no longer have my copy of the guides so I cannot provide a definitive statement. The statement on inclusion criteria is repeated in the introduction to all books of the series. A Wainwright was a 'rules' man and no-one who has read his books could believe that he would include or exclude fells on a whim. (Okay, we forgive him Castle Crag.) If he didn't have strict, well defined rules then he would surely have excluded Armboth Fell and Mungrisdale Common. OrewaTel ( talk) 23:09, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
An alert IP using the name of "Justan Otheranon Hillwalker" has pointed out at User_talk:Britishfinance#/info/en/?search=List_of_Wainwrights that the prominence figures given in the "Wainwrights by Height" table for all the non-Birkett Wainwrights are wrong! The "prominence in meters" figure was actually the height in feet, the "prominence in feet" was that figure converted to metres, leading to some extraordinary numbers - which no-one has noticed for five years. Unfortunately @ Britishfinance:, who created these tables and various others from Database of British and Irish Hills, hasn't edited for two years, so we can't ask them to fix the problem.
There are only 5 non-Birkett Wainwrights, and the figures for Castle Crag were OK. I think I have corrected the 2 prominence figures for each of the other 4 non-Birkett Wainwrights, disobeying the instruction that the table should never be edited unless using a totally new download from DBIH.
The Outlying Fells are another problem: there are about 60 Birketts, so 56 non-Birketts, so 56 fells to check in the database, 56 metre prominences to convert, 112 numbers to correct. I could try to fix them some time but not right now.
In case my changes have done anything wrong to the main table, I have included a comment "See talk" beside each number I corrected.
Does anyone have the data manipulation skills to refresh these tables in their entirety, I wonder, in the absence of their original creator? Does anyone care about them? The page views suggest that quite a few people look at the page, but the fact that no-one has noticed the dodgy prominences is ... interesting, let's say.
I've left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Lancashire and Cumbria#Problems with List of Wainwrights to see if anyone can help out, and messages pointing to that one on the other relevant Wikiproject talk pages. Pam D 21:39, 12 October 2023 (UTC)