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Apparently, at least one of us thinks TNA uses "Superstar" as a proper noun, like WWE. Any evidence for this?
Here, it's used lowercase, along with "stars".
Lowercase here, here and here.
It's just a word, like wrestler, talent, performer, competitor, etc. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, compares this "Wrestler Roster" to WWE's "Superstars". InedibleHulk (talk) 10:34, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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Please remove "Janice Carter" & "Owner; President / Chief Executive Officer of Panda Energy International (parent company of TNA)". Please change Dixie Carter's status from "President" to "Owner & President". Reason: TNA UPDATE: MAJOR CHANGES COULD COME SHORTLY 76.235.248.47 ( talk) 03:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Is Chris Melendez still part of TNA or not? I haven't heard any news of Chris Melendez being released so I would assume that he is still part on TNA. Yet there is edit war going on as Melendez keeps getting added and removed from the TNA Wrestling personnel page here on Wikipedia. Also, it imposable to currently check http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster because TNA's roster page is saying that it is forbidden 2.222.35.142 ( talk) 14:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Per sources, all Jarrett has been announced as is working in a backstage capacity. It doesn't matter if he wrestled the last time in TNA during the GFW angle, he has not been announced as wrestling in any capacity at this point in time. Until he has an actual TNA sanctioned match annouced, he should remain in backstage personnel section. Hellboy42 ( talk)
Just to provide clarity regarding Alexxis Neveah... she appeared during the January 11 tapings, and she appeared again for the following night's tapings.
It is quite apparent that they are building up the feud between the Wolves as Mr & Mrs Edwards vs Mr & Mrs Richards. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
How is this a photo off of Facebook, reliable, But this is not? I'm calling shenanigans. Hellboy42 ( talk) 03:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Should this page not be moved to "List of Impact Wrestling personnel" instead? 194.28.124.55 ( talk) 00:13, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling personnel → List of Impact Wrestling personnel – Companies name has been changed to 'Impact Wrestling', as per the companies article here on Wikipedia, as shown in the lead paragrapgh. 194.28.124.55 ( talk) 00:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Support - as nom. Darkson (I survived the 525!) 19:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Oppose until the change becomes more prominent. It's still in its beginning stages. There's no indication that their business venture/trademarking has changed. Plus, title belts still say TNA. DantODB ( talk) 22:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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Per Sports Illustrated: "Jeff Jarrett is out as Global Force Wrestling’s Chief Creative Officer". As stated here. Tabercil ( talk) 01:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Do you know something about the Harris Brothers status? They were producers during the Dixie Carter era because TNA had a deal with Aroluxe. Right now, I don't now. Aroluxe failed in the race for TNA and they are creating a lucha underground-like promotion. Do you think they still working at Impact? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Alright, since she's been added and removed several times, what is the official stance on Rebel being an Impact talent? She's making regular appearances again on TV even if it's just as a jobber, but then by the same token, Ishimori is listed as an Impact talent even though he spends most of his time back in Japan now. What's the diff? 210.48.190.88 ( talk) 03:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Alright, because some people keep removing talents when they disappear for five seconds citing "they're a guest," or removing LU talents which get added for the same reason, what's the reasoning here? In theory, shouldn't that mean Ishimori gets removed? If Ishimori counts as an Impact talent, shouldn't Steiner and Dreamer stay, and shouldn't Drago, Fenix and Aerostar be put back on the roster since they've all worked for Impact more recently than Ishimori recently? And what of Vikas Kumar and Bhupinder Singh who haven't even debuted with the company yet in spite of being announced as part of the Desi Hit Squad back in January?
210.48.190.88 ( talk) 02:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi, guys. I don't watch Impact since 2014. However, this days I saw a lot of edit wars about Impact roster. I know Impact has changed, several wrestlers aren't under iron-contract, some of them are doing some dates... do you have this under control? Remember, sourcing it's important and if there is some problem, discuss it here. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 01:04, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
So, you don't watch Impact, haven't watched Impact in ages, yet somehow feel it's your place to dictate to those of us who do who works for Impact based on your feelings even though Dreamer, Steiner and Rebel have worked for Impact recently with Rebel having worked the last three sets of tapings. And yet because they don't have active profiles it's not good enough for you and only you, the guy who says he never watches Impact. Brilliant logic there, chief. Damolisher ( talk) 10:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
First of all, don't quote bureaucracy at me, and secondly, yeah, again, you're trying to dictate to people who watch Impact what they are and aren't watching. That isn't helpful in the slightest, that's just arrogance for the sake of arrogance. Your argument is literally "my opinion means more than everyone else's.
And furthermore, Dreamer and Steiner were in the alumni section while Steiner was one of the tag team champions and so was Dreamer while in the middle of a feud with Eddie Edwards. Rebel has a recent photo gallery and tweeted several times she's with the company. You're literally trying to claim only one source is valid. Damolisher ( talk) 17:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
No, not end of discussion. They're current talent and it's called to roster, not a contracted wrestlers list. If they make regular appearances for the company then they're part of the company. Even if you want to argue that Dreamer and Steiner haven't been seen since Slammiversary or before, Rebel is still currently apppearing. Photo galleries and videos DO mean something because they indicate that talent is working with the company unless otherwise noted. You are not the authority on wrestling articles and yet again, you don't even watch Impact so if anyone's opinion is moot, it certainly isn't mine. You don't get to dictate how articles work. Damolisher ( talk) 00:00, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Now if you could try using your own words instead of quoting technical jargon, that would be wonderful. My point stands, Rebel has worked with the company, has a new gallery and has her theme up on the Impact YouTube channel. You're splitting hairs and being obstinate for the sake of being a bureaucrat. Impact say Zach Wentz debuted, his theme is new, he did an interview before his match, so again, you're being obstinate. You have no proof which tells me I'm wrong, ergo, you're making edits which aren't constructive and go against Wikipedia's policy yourself. Damolisher ( talk) 12:25, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I get she has been inactive. It says that it is because of visa issues. If it is visa issues, than why is she being booked by independent promotions in the United States? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 15:26, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I have a question. As far as I know, Callihan never appeared in Impact as the LU Trios Champion. Do you think the note should be in the roster? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:24, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Now, it's wonderful that HHH Pedrigree wants to be diligent and undo edits to the roster as soon as they happen, but wouldn't it make more sense under Good Faith to wait until something has been proven utterly false before undoing an edit? For example, The War Kings and Bram are obviously ambiguous and shouldn't be added to the roster until they appear in more than just a dark match, but Crazzy Steve has more evidence suggesting he's returned than he doesn't. I've included sources which somehow aren't good enough even though they back my point of view up. It's the same thing with Trevor Lee having not departed formally until January and it's the same thing with the Rascalz debuting. Somehow 3 weeks of usage and Trey Miguel being booked for the PPV doesn't mean they're under contract.
I'd wager money they'll air a vignette for Steve on Impact this week. My point is this: Can people lay off reversions until after Impact has aired? Because it literally seems like arrogance and hairsplitting for the sake of it when 9 times out of 10 the edits are correct to be there in the first place. Damolisher ( talk) 09:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
So did you actually bother reading what I wrote? Because what I said was literally "The War Kings and Bram are obviously ambiguous and shouldn't be added until they appear in more than just a dark match." James Logan is obviously a jobber they bought in for the tapings which is why he hasn't been added. Petey Williams himself confirmed Raven was only there for the lead-up to Homecoming. If he shows up again actually managing someone, on the roster he goes. Crazzy Steve is a former talent appearing on an episode of Impact who won a match and has posted things which indicate he is back with the company. It isn't "fuck the rules, let me do what I want," it's "stop reverting things because you personally don't agree with them." You've been proven wrong multiple times before, yet you still do it to an article of a company you don't follow and don't watch. A little bit of common sense goes a long way. And the Lee example is literally you making an edit based on an assumption. It's exactly what you're complaining about, bud. Damolisher ( talk) 08:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
So I agree with the Steve edit as he didn't work in Mexico, but once again, STEINER HAS WORKED WITH THE PROMOTION MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. HE IS IN A RECURRING ROLE. Also, stop quoting jargon at me. Ask anyone who edits these articles and they don't have the foggiest as to what the hell "WP BLEH BLEH" is. Explain it in layman's terms or don't bother. Damolisher ( talk) 08:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I am just gonna touch on a few here:
I have to explain this one more time. Like it or not, Wikipedia is based around rules and policies and we have to follow. It's not about beign a bureaucrat, it's about follow the rules to have good articles. Then, roster articles are for people who are under contract and work regiarly with the promotion. It's not about who worked with them last week, it's about who are part of the promotion, no a one day appearance. Wikipedia is not about "he appeared, that means he is back" (that's WP:SYNTH) or "I bet money he will be again" ( WP:CRYSTALBALL and WP:OR)... we need sources about the wrestler signed a contract or they work regularly, no just a one-day thing, like for example, Kikutaro, Crazy Steve or War Kings. It's the same for Melissa Santos. She was the ring announcer during the Mexico Tapings, but that doesn't mean she will be the ring announcer the rest of the year. Rign now, without sources, she only worked one day. About Steiner, he only makes guest appearances. He is not part of the roster, we can't include him just because he makes one appearance every 6 months. It's not like Taker or Lesnar (wrestlers under contract who make guest appearances). He is not under contract and don't work regularly with Impact, he is called when Impact wants. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Or, here's an idea: You don't dictate to those of us who watch Impact what to do. You've repeatedly stated you don't watch, you repeatedly act like we answer to you when making edits and you repeatedly get in edit wars with other users, your latest instance being the status of Gursinder Singh! You first tell Chaosithe that Austin Aries being on the Impact profile page doesn't matter and then use the same alumni section as if it's gospel! Give it a rest!
Damolisher ( talk) 06:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
So what's the difference between say, Tommy being a producer and Petey being a producer? Because Tommy wrestles more than "occasionally," he wrestled again during the Vegas tapings, twice in fact. He wrestles more than some of the roster, if we're honest. So why is he classified as backstage personnel rather than a wrestler as opposed to a wrestler with "producer" in his notes like Petey and like Abyss used to? 121.74.130.168 ( talk) 08:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Yet again, wrestlers have debuted with the company and yet again, somehow actual spoilers from the tapings aren't a credible source? How does that work? It's getting more than a little tiring going through this pointless rigmarole every single time someone debuts. Where is the contradicting evidence? The spoilers literally state that Sawyer Fulton joined OVE, even if you will say Austin winning both matches that weekend are circumstantial.
Damolisher ( talk) 08:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Also, why do I keep having to justify any edit I make to the same 2 people all the time? 2 people who've been proven wrong multiple times, might I add?
Damolisher ( talk) 08:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
That's nice. If you'd like to explain that to me not using technical jargon, that would be lovely. What would be lovelier is actually reading the source and using common sense. It's hardly "original research" when the people sending in the spoilers are actually at the show. Why would Sawyer Fulton show up and align himself with OVE for one show only when he's not a big enough name for a oncer and isn't an Impact legend? Why would Ace Austin show up both days and win his matches rather than be used to put over currently established talent? Because it seems to be like every time things like this come up, rather than going "that makes sense actually, my bad," yourself and HHHPedrigree would rather go "Oh, well here's some Wikiproject thing which says that even though we can't prove you wrong and what you say makes sense, jargon."
C'mon, dude. There's listening to jargon and there's using commonsense. Damolisher ( talk) 08:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
That comment literally addresses nothing I just said. Not only are you making unhelpful edits, you're literally choosing to ignore reasonable and truthful counterpoints. Damolisher ( talk) 08:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
"Yes, you're right. I won't admit it, but you're right. I have nothing, so I'll revert to jargon and bureaucracy." Damolisher ( talk) 08:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey, look kids! A promo for Ace Austin aired tonight AND his Twitter bio says he's an Impact Wrestling star! I'll be editing him back in and I expect no further harassment. Damolisher ( talk) 06:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
People wasting my time by removing edits which myself or others then have to edit back in later doesn't improve my experience either. It costs nothing to say "I was wrong, I'm sorry." Damolisher ( talk) 19:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
While Impact are calling tonight's episode of Impact Delilah's debut, is it fair to assume that was a "debut" in the vein of Zach Wentz, Trey Miguel and Ace Austin where she's simply enhancement talent until a future date, or is she actually with the company? Can anyone clarify this? Damolisher ( talk) 08:04, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
That isn't what I'm asking. I'm asking if anyone can provide one. Thus "can anyone clarify this." Damolisher ( talk) 20:03, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Excellent. Thank you for confirming. Damolisher ( talk) 20:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
He's working the Vegas tapings but I've also heard the odd rumour here or there he's sticking around as a producer. Does anyone have any proof from anyone credible that he's not just there as a tapings only feud for Scarlett? Damolisher ( talk) 21:16, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, the source Static Vapor posted for Ace Austin states Don Callis has been on a hiring spree but also states Disco "was hired for Vegas." Reddit says someone he was a full-timer but I'll wait for something more concrete before he goes in. Damolisher ( talk) 22:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Simply because I am getting beyond annoyed with having to undo people removing Gursinder because for whatever reason Impact moved him to their alumni section, here it is in black and white: Gursinder is still with the company. Gursinder's "firing" was a storyline firing which they haven't explained because I don't think they know exactly what they're doing with the Desi Hit Squad. But Gursinder himself has been promoting himself being at Impact's Canadian tapings in March on Twitter since at least December and is doing a countdown of days as seen here: [1] , here: [2] and here: [3] , in addition to still being used on house shows and teaming up with Raj Singh here: [4]
So please, stop removing Gursinder. He is still with the company until otherwise confirmed by the man himself or the company itself officially. Damolisher ( talk) 08:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
https://amp.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/03/rob-van-dam-reveals-impact-future-651769/
RVD himself says he's sticking around after United We Stand. Now, normally there'd be no better source than the man himself but these days apparently that isn't a sure thing anymore. May I edit him in or shall I wait until Impact themselves officially announce it. Damolisher ( talk) 08:04, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I know some articles used to have sections which listed the tag teams and stables within a promotion. Would we be able to include one in this article or are they not something used in wrestling articles anymore? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 03:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I notice we have a lot of editing disagreements lately over people making assumptions regarding departures. Pentagon, Fenix and James Mitchell have been removed when nothing says they had left nor we leaving to start with.
What I'm trying to say is that as is true with adding talent, please attempt to provide a source in at least the editing reason field when removing talent. Otherwise, it is still unsourced and potentially incorrect information. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 17:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Not the point I'm trying to make, I'm afraid. What I'm saying is that lately people are being removed for no reason other than "rumour has it." To me that constitutes a form of vandalism. That said, I feel that rather than removing edits as far as adding talent is concerned it would be prudent to add sources rather than immediately jumping on an edit too if possible.
SkylerLovefist (
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03:18, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
That's not remotely correct at all and I feel you're intentionally being obtuse so as to try and win an argument. Sabu was a one-off ECW tribute, those young women were local performers to make an appearance in the same sense as BCW talent in Canadian tapings, Havok is neither a legend nor local talent, appeared with a talent who has been used numerous times in an ongoing storyline and set up a cliffhanger indicating her appearing again in the future. Using the OVW talent example repeatedly is not the same either, as those wrestlers appeared in dark matches, Havok appeared in a televised segment.
There's a difference between OR, SYNTH et al and actually deducing the difference between a tryout/one shot and a talent returning to the roster. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
And after all that, Havok is at the current tapings with James Mitchell cutting a promo about how she is going to destroy Rosemary, indicating she is staying long-term.
In order to remedy this ongoing problem, would it be more prudent to refrain from adding talent which hasn't been announced prior after they've appeared on television, or is this an issue with people being overzealous? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 00:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
First of all, good work team on sorting out the vandalism.
With Glenn though, Impact HAS used him a lot lately. While I don't agree with unsourced information, I am legitimately curious if there are rules stating that a talent must be signed to a roster in order to be classified as a part of that roster or not. If not, I have a suggestion I'd like to run by the other people who edit this page.
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Is this sufficient enough to add Sabu to the roster, or would it fall under OR or SYNTH at this stage? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, upon re-reading that article, you're absolutely right. I skim read and thought he was asked about the current tapings rather than United We Stand.
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 06:39, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
So Sabu is booked for the next TV tapings...
SkylerLovefist (
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20:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Their names are still Dezmond Xavier, Zachary Wentz and Trey Miguel according to official Impact sources so I see some very pushy editing going on. Either way, this constant back and forth isn't helpful at all. And if we must revert them to their nicknames, can changes to the list reflect that Wentz's name is no longer alphabetically last? 05:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkylerLovefist ( talk • contribs)
I agree. As I stated at one point during this dispute with the user in question, the short names are nicknames. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_xsgP4VUAAS9tD.jpg
This seems to indicate the signings of Scott Steiner and seems to confirm Rhino. Reasonable train of thought, or SYNTH?
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
So where do we go from here then? It seems to me that based on Rhino's official return being leaked by the company themselves as well as him being used on future promotional material, he is indeed a permanent part of the company again. If that isn't enough, perhaps we need to look at how new additions to the roster are added, as I think it's fair to say Impact's roster is quite a contentious subject on this Wiki, wouldn't you? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
On the Steiner note, he and Glenn Gilbertti have made pretty regular appearances over the last while for Impact, even if they have been sporadic. Would it make sense to add a legends section to the list? Or is that too ambiguous, as opposed to WWE's legends program which is more formal? 118.149.139.137 ( talk) 05:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I know it's considered one of those things we should use to indicate whether someone has signed with the company, but honestly, the roster page on Impact's website is unreliable IMO given the inaccuracies on there. For example, Kongo Kong is still there despite being released, Suicide is still there despite no-one portraying the character and Bhupinder Singh being moved to the alumni section in spite of still being employed with the company. Daga has no profile despite being signed, Mahabali Shera is still listed as an alumni despite signing a new contract, Eddie Kingston having two profiles, etc. 27.252.201.190 ( talk) 08:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I should also make sure to sign in before I start discussions... SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
So we have Laredo Kid on the roster page for some reason. The two citations there say nothing of him being signed or being an active roster member. One is a link to his roster page, which says he is alumni. The second is a link to a Twitter post that does not say he is signed, he is coming back for more or he is a roster member. He has not appeared in 2 months and without any furthur indication he is with the company (sources or advertisments for future events), then we cannot leave him on. We cannot just sit here and leave possibly incorrect information on the page. Just like when we had Flamita on there for a few months and he never debuted. StaticVapor message me! 17:46, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
LAX is indeed done with Impact Wrestling, and here it is from LAX member Santana, so it's straight from the horse's mouth.
Vjmlhds (talk) 02:35, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
The Wentz and Trey Miguel names currently have linked to non-existent pages (red links). Someone has added to not remove the links. Anyone know the reason for this?
How official do we need the signing of Tony Gunn from OVW to be before we can add him to the roster? Because there's a video of Scott D'Amore offering him a "tryout" with the implication being that it's a formality and that Gunn has already signed a contract.
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 00:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Because I'm getting annoyed with the one versus all editing going on, I'd like an official word from someone relating to the dubious removal/edit war going on over Petey. Because somehow repeatedly appearing for a company for 3 years now means you *aren't* working for the company you signed for now? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 09:19, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
You need to learn how Wikipedia works. This is the situation: we need a genuine source that he is a full-time member of the company. I'm afraid the only information people are able to provide so far is an old ImpactWrestling.com link and the fact that he showed up at recent tapings. As stated at the top of the chart (not my words) "a reliable source is either ImpactWrestling.com, Wrestling Observer.com, Slam Sports, WrestleView, or PWTorch.com." Therefore, citation needed is perfectly reasonable until concrete evidence that he is a contracted full-time member of the roster. Because so far, he just seems to be a glorified guest. We need a reliable source that he is an actual roster member, anything else is speculation, and speculation is not how Wikipedia works. icaldonta ( talk) 12:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Someone doesn't get it and it's not me. You keep removing him and the sources indicating he's working for the company without providing any proof he left to start with.
SkylerLovefist (
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21:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Alright, here we are again with the same user making the same edits with the same.ensuing edit war.
WP:CommonName dictates Trey's surname is Miguel. He's been referred to as Trey Miguel on commentary as such, his mother's name was given as "Ms Miguel" during his feud with Ace Austin, his name is for all intents and purposes Trey Miguel. This constant edit war every 6-12 months is getting annoying. 111.69.70.125 ( talk) 23:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Because I'm at the end of my rope with constant edit wars over Bhupinder Singh, until there's proof he's left Impact, or at least is no longer under a developmental contract, I'd like any edits on him by FranXBC or whatever his name is undone and editor intervention taken. At this point the edits no longer constitute unnsourced edits, they constitute vandalism, given they've been at this since at least December last year. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
User as described above now vandalising article logged out using /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/2.153.191.121. Same deal goes. User been at this since December 2019, seems to not understand what a development contract is, is easily detectable by removing Bhupinder Singh and Shogun Jackson Stone and the broken English he uses in his edit notes. 2407:7000:9C7F:9464:95EA:743F:8B6F:667E ( talk) 10:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Please don't add AEW wrestlers to the roster if they happen to pop up on Impact.
Impact and AEW have an off-screen business partnership and are doing an on-screen "Invasion" style storyline where wrestlers are going on each other's shows and causing trouble.
So knowing all this, don't rush to the keyboard/iPhone to add names to the list if a guest pays a visit.
Thank you.
Vjmlhds (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Alright, this is getting annoying. If you're going to add Taylor Wilde in, include a source. That's the entire point of having the ability to add a source, otherwise anybody could add anyone whether they're there or not. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:43, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
We have no business listing the entire staff/whatever of this outfit. User:Vjmlhds just put a bunch of em back in (not notable people, of course, without a Wikipedia article), saying they are "the ones who sign the checks and make the major comapny decisions". Well, that doesn't make em notable; the person who answers the phone is arguably as important, or more important, than a videographer or an accountant. We should treat this like an encyclopedic article, and list notable people, just as we do for, for instance, radio and TV stations. Entries without secondary sources can easily be argued to be BLP violations also. Drmies ( talk) 00:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
And so who gets to make this call? You simply came in here deleting things without notice. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 05:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, Addicted, why are all of your edits undoing other people's work instead of adding to articles? Edit: I rest my case. That's the second time you've undone that same user's edits improperly citing a Wikipedia Guideline. "I don't know who or what that is and I haven't witnessed it myself, therefore it's an incorrect edit" isn't the standard we edit by. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it if you'd stop undermining other users all the time because quite frankly it comes across as uncivil. Not only have you once again improperly used a WP because I haven't made any personal attacks and certainly haven't done any of the examples in that article, none of your edits actually seem done to add to articles. They're all you undoing other people's edits and as you've done with myself and this other user, rather than accepting it when you're proven wrong, you further nitpick to get the last word. This is where edit wars and violations of the three revert rule begin happening. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 22:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
That's yet another incorrect citation. Legitimate criticism for negative behaviour is neither a personal attack, nor an unfounded accusation. Your edit history indicates a significant majority of, if not all of your edits are you undoing other user's edits, often incorrectly citing WP articles, using your own opinions for invalidating other users along with starting edit wars and being inflexible. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
How about you make an actual account and mind your own business? You want to talk about violating WP: Civil? And as I've explained to Addicted (who I'm not entirely convinced isn't whoever you are) multiple times, Twitter is a Valid source, especially when the source is the guy who runs Fightful. Mind your own business. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:53, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Can people please refrain from trying to get the last word in when people are proving they've made an unhelpful subtraction from this article? If you're proven wrong, gracefully accept it, or don't make the edit to start with, and don't follow it up by nitpicking the correction which was made solely to save face. It doesn't come across as WP: Civil, but more of an ego issue. Thank you. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 17:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, random IP address, but that's not what I'm getting at. Read what I wrote again. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 09:16, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Matt Taven, Mike Bennett, Maria Kanellis, PCO, Vincent have been added/removed a few times from the article. I would presume they aren't on the ImpactWrestling.com roster page because they're being billed as 'outsiders'. They are however appearing weekly for the promotion and have an upcoming PPV match. I would think they should be added. Thoughts? BBX118 22:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
BTW, I recommend to reas WP:consenus. "consensus, which is accepted as the best method to achieve Wikipedia's goals, i.e., the five pillars. Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity (which is ideal but not always achievable), nor is it the result of a vote. Decision making and reaching consensus involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines." 1not the result of a vote 2,my concerns have not been resolved. 3 respecting Wikipedia policies and guidelines, the information stills unsourced-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
The whole point of consensus is to have multiple sets of eyeballs look at something and come to a decision on the best way to go forward - 1 man does not hold an article hostage when 3 others have come to an agreement. So why are HHH Pedrigree's concerns more important than those of Vjmlhds, SkylerLovefist or BBX118? You are exhibiting a lot of WP:Own tendencies here - you know "my way or the highway". You expressed your concerns, great. Three other editors felt that it wasn't that big of a deal and we should go ahead and add the others. That's how consensus works. Sometimes you just can't have things go exactly your way...you take the "L" and move on. God knows I've done it my fair share of times around here. You can't preach consensus on some issues and then not want to follow it on others. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
It's beginning to annoy me, actually. I'm growing increasingly annoyed at how for some reason one or two people seem to have reached the understanding with themselves that everyone else's edits must reach their interpretation of WP policies or we're not allowed to add our edits. Logic would dictate that if you have an invading group of six people, you'd sign all of them, not just three members and pick another three at random. I'm not asking for "Well WP: herpandderp says this," I'm asking if that makes sense using Common sense. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 19:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
And therein lies the problem in your wording l. "*I THINK* it falls under Synth/OR." Three other people disagree, and your only counterpoint to "does signing three and not the others make sense" seems to be "I don't know, but here's my interpretation of every WP being cited here." Therefore it stands to reason that the only counterpoint here to a consensus and to common sense is one person's personal interpretation, which in itself goes against Wikipedia's guidelines. As VJ says- it comes across as WP:Own to a point. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 20:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
It feels like you keep trying to counterpoint what we've said with the very things we're arguing against. A consensus has been reached and I kinda feel like Administrator intervention may be our best option here, particularly when it's 3 versus 1. I also note, HHHPedrigree, you keep avoiding addressing my point about common sense. So I again put to you: why would they sign three and not the other three? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 22:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
And again, you're not the one we have to get approval from. So I feel we need to get an official last word because this is going nowhere. None of us are gonna budge. You're insisting you're right in spite of consensus, and we feel our edits are valid due to what we believe to be common sense. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
It isn't OR or SYNTH... That's the problem. This *is* WP: Own, however. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
And that's why I get frustrated at times editing this particular article. It's where my problems with a certain other user come from too: Why does it feel like whenever we make edits we have to make sure it's OK by one or two other users? This is a community encyclopedia, yet several users seem to have this "I have to say it's OK first and it has to meet my criteria for being a valid edit" attitude? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm also kinda curious why that Addicted guy has been snitch tagged on his talk page. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I have come in late to this one and while HHH Pedrigree has a point, there is an out - and that's putting the ROH wrestlers in a separate section. There is no doubt they are working for Impact but obviously they wouldn't be listed so sourcing that would be impossible as Impact would be maintaining the kayfabe line. The best compromise I think is a separate section, which can be combined if they win the match at No Surrender. The signed match can serve as the source. Addicted4517 ( talk) 07:07, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
And there we go. They're staying. Matter resolved once and for all. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
What do we do about Josh? I see JoshProst99 has removed him, but given the current storyline, can we be certain this isn't some massive work? The guy quite his job a few months back because he'd gotten a payrise from Impact. That kind of indicates he signed a new contract. Plus Eddie Edwards is the only one who's said anything on Twitter. *Plus* there was that "I'm gonna miss this place" tweet from when he got "suspended" which mysteriously went missing after gaining traction.
So what should we do? Keep him gone until we have confirmation either way? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Just a reminder that WP:OWN is a thing. Undoing edits because you personally don't know what was edited in falls under that principle. We've had edit wars previously to the real names of two Knockouts and it looks like we're heading in that direction with Matt Cardona's titles. Are we going to undo literally every single edit which doesn't have an article attached to it now? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 21:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I have to say, it's very, very interesting how you seem to show up wherever I edit. It IS a case of WP:OWN, because you constantly expect people to edit to YOUR specifications. Any time an edit happens with information you don't have knowledge of, you undo it. As I stated in my opening statement: do we have to now inline source every single piece of information in the article such as real names, titles owned, roles in the company, the name of the company, the owners of the company, etc? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 02:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I never said anything about WP:Own regarding this article, so don't put words in my mouth. Vjmlhds (talk) 12:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Disagreeing with someone's edit/reasoning does not make one - or their attitude - "deplorable"...someone else once used that word, and it blew up in their face, so don't be so quick to throw people in baskets. Vjmlhds (talk) 12:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I wasn't talking specifically the article. It was blatant what I meant. It's WP:OWN because (as I've quite plainly said at least twice now) both you and him demand we meet your criteria or we have our edits removed. Interesting you showed up on the discussion about NZWPW being closed and his disruptive editing preventing up to date and accurate information, by the way. Almost seems like you're following me around which violates Wikipedia policy too. He can ask for sources all he wants. It isn't his article. As I've asked which also keeps getting ignored: are we supposed to throw out sourcing any time any information at all is entered into the article, because there are a lot of things in there without references. Addicted demanded references for Lady Frost and Masha Slamovich's real names in spite of no-one else having their real names sourced. "Seeing it as gatekeeping" means it's against Wikipedia policy and once again you're showing your own WP:OWN tendencies by telling me my opinion is less valid than yours. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
In fact, I see a own behavior from you you are the one who want to keep including information without source HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:08, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
"No you" isn't an argument and nor is ignoring your own behaviour. Self-appointed infallibility doesn't make you infallible. Nor is pretending you're not following users around which is also a common negative behaviour. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 18:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
HHH is right. No source, no inclusion - it's as simple as that. And saying "there are other unreferenced items, therefore we can add more" is obviously poor logic. — Czello 11:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
No he isn't, and I like how you took a small portion of what I said out of context.
I like how nobody is addressing a bulk of what I'm saying. Almost like there's no actual counter argument and it's a whole lot of ignoring WP:OWN behaviour. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 18:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
So what's the story with Shogun and the two dudes who won the last Gutcheck? Keep 'em off the roster until they officially debut on TV full-time? Shogun is slowly being dripfed into TV appearances with the second IPWF special, a BTE appearance and the Reverse Battle Royal at Slammiversary, whereas the other two guys have signed contracts but aren't on TV yet.
Leave 'em off so we don't have any "k, so what's happening with this guy...?" Situations with Bhupinder? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 22:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
On the subject of the NEVER Openweight Championship being recognised by Impact, we currently require a better source. Presently all that exists is a photograph of Anderson with the title in an Impact ring. This fails both WP:V and WP:OR. Remember, when one looks at this (undated) image, the only thing the image says is "Karl Anderson is wearing the championship". This is not the same as "Impact recognises this title". Note, according to WP:V:
A source "directly supports" a given piece of material if the information is present explicitly in the source so that using this source to support the material is not a violation of Wikipedia:No original research.
Furthermore, WP:OR states:
Any passages open to multiple interpretations should be precisely cited or avoided. A summary of extensive discussion should reflect the conclusions of the source. Drawing conclusions not evident in the reference is original research regardless of the type of source. References must be cited in context and on topic.
The current sourcing does not meet this standard, as there is no explicit statement being made. Instead we are being asked to draw a conclusion from this image - a passing editor would not be able to verify the claim. There is a reason why Wikipedia asks for access dates when adding a citation, for example. A passing editor will see Anderson with the title with zero additional context: this isn't good enough. Again, the key word here is explicit, which I don't think anyone can reasonably argue is demonstrated by this image.
Note, I am not interesting in removing the title at this juncture - I don't watch Impact, so whether they recognise it is actually irrelevant to me. However, there must be a minimum standard for what a source looks like, and presently this isn't good enough - and it's by no means worthy of an encyclopedia.
A potential temporary solution I've considered is replacing the image with a timestamp of when it is acknowledged by commentary (users have indicated that this happens during the show). This is by no means a good method, but it is more verifiable for readers than what exists currently. I would still like to see something explicit, but for the time being it would be an improvement. If any of the users contesting removal of the current source are able to provide a timestamp and the episode number/date of Impact on which it happens, we could use this as a compromise. — Czello 07:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
HHHPedrigree, this conflict started because you and Addicted4517 undid myself and VJ's edits to the page to begin with, and I don't understand why Addicted is not getting reamed given he undid VJ's original edit which set this off to start with.
The compromise would be fine if Slammiversary weren't a PPV and their weekly show weren't hidden behind a subscriber wall. Addicted4517 has pulled the "social media videos don't count' card on other pages so while it's good in theory, it's not so good in practice.
In addition, we have a note at the top of the page saying Impact is in a partnership with New Japan, indicating they recognise NJPW championships.
So in essence, this entire conflict has been started and sustained over someone making an unhelpful edit to start with and someone else co-signing his unhelpful edit, and now the source VJ originally included just to placate the two is now being called "OR" even though the belt, holder and company are included in the photo.
Oh, and notifying me of this chat before reporting me for "edit warring" would have been nice, thanks. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
It can't get much clearer than this - this is Impact Wrestling's press release announcing NJPW returning to AXS TV. And again quoting Scott D'Amore directly - “IMPACT and New Japan have played a key role in that, forging a strong inter-promotional relationship that resulted in some unforgettable moments for wrestling enthusiasts around the world. There is a great deal of support and synergy between the two companies, and we could not be more proud to have them back on AXS TV as they prepare to celebrate an incredible milestone in NJPW history. We are excited to continue to build on our growing relationship with NJPW, and look forward to seeing what new opportunities arise from this partnership in the future.” Can we PLEASE put this to bed now? Vjmlhds (talk) 13:24, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
forging a strong inter-promotional relationshipseems conclusive. I'd probably prefer an independent source if I was nitpicking, but I don't think it matters. Anyone have any objections to this? Would especially like to hear from @ Addicted4517. — Czello 14:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Because once again we're back to frustrating stubbornness, let's discuss commonsense, shall we? NWA talent appears on Impact all the time, AAW is having a title match on Emergence. If that doesn't indicate companies working together, I don't know what does. This is just getting silly at this point. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 18:52, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, because somehow an article which tells us that a title match from a non-Impact promotion is being defended on an Impact show after Eric Young, an Impact wrestler is not a sign of a partnership with Impact. Kinda interesting how myself and VJ always seemingly have to justify ourselves to people who aren't familiar with the product and don't seem to understand commonsense. It's beginning to venture into disruptive editing at this point. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 20:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Again, no source about the partnership. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 21:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Nope. No mention of a partnership. As we said with the njpw, the source must say clearly there is a partnership not making assumptions based. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm not wrong. Sources doesn't mention a partnership, so you can't say there is a partnership. Now, you can start complaining again about wp:own or whatever you want. Despite you block,looks like you learned nothing HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Note: I've started a thread at the WikiProject to determine consensus for these sorts of issues moving forward. The discussion can be found
here. —
Czello
15:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
So, we've got Bandido and Rey Horus appearing at Emergence and then booked for the TV Tapings the next night. Obviously I'd like to wait on whether Rey Horus has signed, but given Bandido mentioned signing with Impact and he's now appearing for Impact, would that count as a confirmation? Or shall we wait to see if they show up at whatever tapings they have afterward? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 00:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Twice now I have removed the note about this consultant Impact apparently have. I haven't removed it because it has been source by Twitter. I have removed it because a consultant is not a part of the company's executive. Now if it is the case that this is an executive position we need more than the Twitter source to prove it. As it stands right now it isn't an executive position and therefore has no place on the list. Addicted4517 ( talk) 06:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
His bio says he works for Impact. Read the source before undoing the edit. That's why it's there. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
While I agree that Twitter works for some thing, as Addicted said he is not an exective, so the section is wrong. Also, his Twitter bio says just "Las Vegas via Philadelphia. Marketing. Music. Hockey. People. Places. Things. Logitix/Vegas Guy -@impactwrestling Former #ECW -@WWE- @Cirque", nothing about he is working as marketing consusltant (unless there is a tweet I missed, but the section is wrong since he is not an executive). -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
He's not a wrestler, an on-air personality or a producer. Thus why VJ moved him into "corporate staff." "@Impactwrestling" is clearly his current place of employment given his bio also says he previously worked in ECW, WWE and Cirque De Solei or however it's spelt.
This constant playing coy just to gatekeep is growing really, really tiresome. It's pretty damn obvious what he's saying in his bio. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
I think I came up with a way to give everyone a little something. Always better to find a way to make something work than to throw the baby out with the bath water. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
It's pretty apparent AEW and Impact have a partnership at this point, innit? The Machineguns were on Dynamite, Kazarian has spent more time on Impact and Impact specials and PPV than he has on any AEW programming lately... Seems open and shut to me. Especially based on me ol' favourite, WP:COMMONSENSE. Thoughts? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 02:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the section because none of them are notable primarily - along with the erstwhile vexxed issue of using Twitter as a source. We really need to clamp down on this because in it's present form it really violates WP:TRIVIA and is really only information that will be relevant to a limited audience. If you disagree - discuss. Please don't try to start an edit war as before. We should be above that by now. Addicted4517 ( talk) 01:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm with VJ. WP: Twitter is a thing which exists which we've discussed before. Twitter "not being a valid source" only seems to be a recurring problem with one person. Leave the refs alone, and please don't ever pull that again without discussing it if you feel the urge to do so. Referees are just as important to the product as everyone else. Not only is it unhelpful editing, it's incredibly disrespectful to the zebras who also work hard. (which a lot of people don't appreciate. It's a hard job.) SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
And for further reference just in case we don't want to look up WP:Twitter: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities."
Now, maybe it's just me, but if say, Darrick Moore which is where this argument has happened before says "I work for Impact" on Twitter, and he happens to appear on Impact Wrestling's weekly TV Show, I'm *pretty sure* that as a logically thinking person, I'm going to realise that means Darrick Moore does, in fact work for Impact.
As a sidenote, what's with the constant removals? Pitch in and help us add things to the article some time. It's fun. You should try it sometime. You'll like it. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Agree that referees are notable to be included I the list. Also agree that better sources are needed. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
That, with a side order of WP:Point - taking a flame thrower to a whole section to rehash a settled dispute from 3 months ago just to make a point. I guess some people just want to watch the world (or in this case the article) burn. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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OK, so this one is kind of dumb and also an odd choice which I'll bring up here so everyone knows: Impact is no longer using impactwrestling.com/wrestlers as their roster page. They're using impactwrestling.com/roster. So from now on, please refrain from using the former for sourcing. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
He's not a regular weekly and he's not on the roster page, BUT he does show up every so often to further Rosemary's storylines, brought in the Hex a couple of months ago, was referenced by Crazzy Steve last night, will be showing up on future episodes and is basically a recurring character. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 20:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Addicted4517 ( talk) 01:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
List of Impact Wrestling personnel → List of TNA Wrestling personnel – New name for the company, and the promotion's website has already made the change itself Vjmlhds (talk) 19:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 ( talk) 17:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
It appears that the roster page of the new TNA website doesn't have individual profiles which mucks up the sourcing somewhat. I know that I have criticised the use of Twitter as a source in the past, but in these circumstances (and the rules do allow for it) the official Twitter account will have to do. It would of course be better to use independent reliable sources and if one can find one use that instead. Hopefully the roster page does get filled out with individual profiles eventually. Addicted4517 ( talk) 00:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Does TNA have a partnership with WWE? The TNA Knockouts Champion (Jordynne Grace) is challenging WWE's NXT Women's Champion ( Roxanne Perez) at this year's NXT Battleground for the NXT Women's Championship (If Grace were to win would she appear on both WWE's and TNA's List of Personnel?) - 2A02:C7C:53C1:E00:30FE:582:98CE:E08B ( talk) 12:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
This is not correct. Sports Illustrated notified of the arrangement and made no mention of it being a one off at all. Claiming it is one is original research and requires back up. Until we have that back up the information should stay. There is a good chance TNA wrestlers could show up in the battle royal on NXT coming up. Hopefully that fixes this up. The IP is also right about removing sources. Addicted4517 ( talk) 03:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Apparently, at least one of us thinks TNA uses "Superstar" as a proper noun, like WWE. Any evidence for this?
Here, it's used lowercase, along with "stars".
Lowercase here, here and here.
It's just a word, like wrestler, talent, performer, competitor, etc. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, compares this "Wrestler Roster" to WWE's "Superstars". InedibleHulk (talk) 10:34, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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Please remove "Janice Carter" & "Owner; President / Chief Executive Officer of Panda Energy International (parent company of TNA)". Please change Dixie Carter's status from "President" to "Owner & President". Reason: TNA UPDATE: MAJOR CHANGES COULD COME SHORTLY 76.235.248.47 ( talk) 03:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Is Chris Melendez still part of TNA or not? I haven't heard any news of Chris Melendez being released so I would assume that he is still part on TNA. Yet there is edit war going on as Melendez keeps getting added and removed from the TNA Wrestling personnel page here on Wikipedia. Also, it imposable to currently check http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster because TNA's roster page is saying that it is forbidden 2.222.35.142 ( talk) 14:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Per sources, all Jarrett has been announced as is working in a backstage capacity. It doesn't matter if he wrestled the last time in TNA during the GFW angle, he has not been announced as wrestling in any capacity at this point in time. Until he has an actual TNA sanctioned match annouced, he should remain in backstage personnel section. Hellboy42 ( talk)
Just to provide clarity regarding Alexxis Neveah... she appeared during the January 11 tapings, and she appeared again for the following night's tapings.
It is quite apparent that they are building up the feud between the Wolves as Mr & Mrs Edwards vs Mr & Mrs Richards. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
How is this a photo off of Facebook, reliable, But this is not? I'm calling shenanigans. Hellboy42 ( talk) 03:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Should this page not be moved to "List of Impact Wrestling personnel" instead? 194.28.124.55 ( talk) 00:13, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling personnel → List of Impact Wrestling personnel – Companies name has been changed to 'Impact Wrestling', as per the companies article here on Wikipedia, as shown in the lead paragrapgh. 194.28.124.55 ( talk) 00:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Support - as nom. Darkson (I survived the 525!) 19:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Oppose until the change becomes more prominent. It's still in its beginning stages. There's no indication that their business venture/trademarking has changed. Plus, title belts still say TNA. DantODB ( talk) 22:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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Per Sports Illustrated: "Jeff Jarrett is out as Global Force Wrestling’s Chief Creative Officer". As stated here. Tabercil ( talk) 01:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Do you know something about the Harris Brothers status? They were producers during the Dixie Carter era because TNA had a deal with Aroluxe. Right now, I don't now. Aroluxe failed in the race for TNA and they are creating a lucha underground-like promotion. Do you think they still working at Impact? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Alright, since she's been added and removed several times, what is the official stance on Rebel being an Impact talent? She's making regular appearances again on TV even if it's just as a jobber, but then by the same token, Ishimori is listed as an Impact talent even though he spends most of his time back in Japan now. What's the diff? 210.48.190.88 ( talk) 03:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Alright, because some people keep removing talents when they disappear for five seconds citing "they're a guest," or removing LU talents which get added for the same reason, what's the reasoning here? In theory, shouldn't that mean Ishimori gets removed? If Ishimori counts as an Impact talent, shouldn't Steiner and Dreamer stay, and shouldn't Drago, Fenix and Aerostar be put back on the roster since they've all worked for Impact more recently than Ishimori recently? And what of Vikas Kumar and Bhupinder Singh who haven't even debuted with the company yet in spite of being announced as part of the Desi Hit Squad back in January?
210.48.190.88 ( talk) 02:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi, guys. I don't watch Impact since 2014. However, this days I saw a lot of edit wars about Impact roster. I know Impact has changed, several wrestlers aren't under iron-contract, some of them are doing some dates... do you have this under control? Remember, sourcing it's important and if there is some problem, discuss it here. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 01:04, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
So, you don't watch Impact, haven't watched Impact in ages, yet somehow feel it's your place to dictate to those of us who do who works for Impact based on your feelings even though Dreamer, Steiner and Rebel have worked for Impact recently with Rebel having worked the last three sets of tapings. And yet because they don't have active profiles it's not good enough for you and only you, the guy who says he never watches Impact. Brilliant logic there, chief. Damolisher ( talk) 10:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
First of all, don't quote bureaucracy at me, and secondly, yeah, again, you're trying to dictate to people who watch Impact what they are and aren't watching. That isn't helpful in the slightest, that's just arrogance for the sake of arrogance. Your argument is literally "my opinion means more than everyone else's.
And furthermore, Dreamer and Steiner were in the alumni section while Steiner was one of the tag team champions and so was Dreamer while in the middle of a feud with Eddie Edwards. Rebel has a recent photo gallery and tweeted several times she's with the company. You're literally trying to claim only one source is valid. Damolisher ( talk) 17:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
No, not end of discussion. They're current talent and it's called to roster, not a contracted wrestlers list. If they make regular appearances for the company then they're part of the company. Even if you want to argue that Dreamer and Steiner haven't been seen since Slammiversary or before, Rebel is still currently apppearing. Photo galleries and videos DO mean something because they indicate that talent is working with the company unless otherwise noted. You are not the authority on wrestling articles and yet again, you don't even watch Impact so if anyone's opinion is moot, it certainly isn't mine. You don't get to dictate how articles work. Damolisher ( talk) 00:00, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Now if you could try using your own words instead of quoting technical jargon, that would be wonderful. My point stands, Rebel has worked with the company, has a new gallery and has her theme up on the Impact YouTube channel. You're splitting hairs and being obstinate for the sake of being a bureaucrat. Impact say Zach Wentz debuted, his theme is new, he did an interview before his match, so again, you're being obstinate. You have no proof which tells me I'm wrong, ergo, you're making edits which aren't constructive and go against Wikipedia's policy yourself. Damolisher ( talk) 12:25, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I get she has been inactive. It says that it is because of visa issues. If it is visa issues, than why is she being booked by independent promotions in the United States? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 15:26, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I have a question. As far as I know, Callihan never appeared in Impact as the LU Trios Champion. Do you think the note should be in the roster? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:24, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Now, it's wonderful that HHH Pedrigree wants to be diligent and undo edits to the roster as soon as they happen, but wouldn't it make more sense under Good Faith to wait until something has been proven utterly false before undoing an edit? For example, The War Kings and Bram are obviously ambiguous and shouldn't be added to the roster until they appear in more than just a dark match, but Crazzy Steve has more evidence suggesting he's returned than he doesn't. I've included sources which somehow aren't good enough even though they back my point of view up. It's the same thing with Trevor Lee having not departed formally until January and it's the same thing with the Rascalz debuting. Somehow 3 weeks of usage and Trey Miguel being booked for the PPV doesn't mean they're under contract.
I'd wager money they'll air a vignette for Steve on Impact this week. My point is this: Can people lay off reversions until after Impact has aired? Because it literally seems like arrogance and hairsplitting for the sake of it when 9 times out of 10 the edits are correct to be there in the first place. Damolisher ( talk) 09:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
So did you actually bother reading what I wrote? Because what I said was literally "The War Kings and Bram are obviously ambiguous and shouldn't be added until they appear in more than just a dark match." James Logan is obviously a jobber they bought in for the tapings which is why he hasn't been added. Petey Williams himself confirmed Raven was only there for the lead-up to Homecoming. If he shows up again actually managing someone, on the roster he goes. Crazzy Steve is a former talent appearing on an episode of Impact who won a match and has posted things which indicate he is back with the company. It isn't "fuck the rules, let me do what I want," it's "stop reverting things because you personally don't agree with them." You've been proven wrong multiple times before, yet you still do it to an article of a company you don't follow and don't watch. A little bit of common sense goes a long way. And the Lee example is literally you making an edit based on an assumption. It's exactly what you're complaining about, bud. Damolisher ( talk) 08:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
So I agree with the Steve edit as he didn't work in Mexico, but once again, STEINER HAS WORKED WITH THE PROMOTION MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. HE IS IN A RECURRING ROLE. Also, stop quoting jargon at me. Ask anyone who edits these articles and they don't have the foggiest as to what the hell "WP BLEH BLEH" is. Explain it in layman's terms or don't bother. Damolisher ( talk) 08:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I am just gonna touch on a few here:
I have to explain this one more time. Like it or not, Wikipedia is based around rules and policies and we have to follow. It's not about beign a bureaucrat, it's about follow the rules to have good articles. Then, roster articles are for people who are under contract and work regiarly with the promotion. It's not about who worked with them last week, it's about who are part of the promotion, no a one day appearance. Wikipedia is not about "he appeared, that means he is back" (that's WP:SYNTH) or "I bet money he will be again" ( WP:CRYSTALBALL and WP:OR)... we need sources about the wrestler signed a contract or they work regularly, no just a one-day thing, like for example, Kikutaro, Crazy Steve or War Kings. It's the same for Melissa Santos. She was the ring announcer during the Mexico Tapings, but that doesn't mean she will be the ring announcer the rest of the year. Rign now, without sources, she only worked one day. About Steiner, he only makes guest appearances. He is not part of the roster, we can't include him just because he makes one appearance every 6 months. It's not like Taker or Lesnar (wrestlers under contract who make guest appearances). He is not under contract and don't work regularly with Impact, he is called when Impact wants. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Or, here's an idea: You don't dictate to those of us who watch Impact what to do. You've repeatedly stated you don't watch, you repeatedly act like we answer to you when making edits and you repeatedly get in edit wars with other users, your latest instance being the status of Gursinder Singh! You first tell Chaosithe that Austin Aries being on the Impact profile page doesn't matter and then use the same alumni section as if it's gospel! Give it a rest!
Damolisher ( talk) 06:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
So what's the difference between say, Tommy being a producer and Petey being a producer? Because Tommy wrestles more than "occasionally," he wrestled again during the Vegas tapings, twice in fact. He wrestles more than some of the roster, if we're honest. So why is he classified as backstage personnel rather than a wrestler as opposed to a wrestler with "producer" in his notes like Petey and like Abyss used to? 121.74.130.168 ( talk) 08:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Yet again, wrestlers have debuted with the company and yet again, somehow actual spoilers from the tapings aren't a credible source? How does that work? It's getting more than a little tiring going through this pointless rigmarole every single time someone debuts. Where is the contradicting evidence? The spoilers literally state that Sawyer Fulton joined OVE, even if you will say Austin winning both matches that weekend are circumstantial.
Damolisher ( talk) 08:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Also, why do I keep having to justify any edit I make to the same 2 people all the time? 2 people who've been proven wrong multiple times, might I add?
Damolisher ( talk) 08:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
That's nice. If you'd like to explain that to me not using technical jargon, that would be lovely. What would be lovelier is actually reading the source and using common sense. It's hardly "original research" when the people sending in the spoilers are actually at the show. Why would Sawyer Fulton show up and align himself with OVE for one show only when he's not a big enough name for a oncer and isn't an Impact legend? Why would Ace Austin show up both days and win his matches rather than be used to put over currently established talent? Because it seems to be like every time things like this come up, rather than going "that makes sense actually, my bad," yourself and HHHPedrigree would rather go "Oh, well here's some Wikiproject thing which says that even though we can't prove you wrong and what you say makes sense, jargon."
C'mon, dude. There's listening to jargon and there's using commonsense. Damolisher ( talk) 08:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
That comment literally addresses nothing I just said. Not only are you making unhelpful edits, you're literally choosing to ignore reasonable and truthful counterpoints. Damolisher ( talk) 08:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
"Yes, you're right. I won't admit it, but you're right. I have nothing, so I'll revert to jargon and bureaucracy." Damolisher ( talk) 08:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey, look kids! A promo for Ace Austin aired tonight AND his Twitter bio says he's an Impact Wrestling star! I'll be editing him back in and I expect no further harassment. Damolisher ( talk) 06:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
People wasting my time by removing edits which myself or others then have to edit back in later doesn't improve my experience either. It costs nothing to say "I was wrong, I'm sorry." Damolisher ( talk) 19:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
While Impact are calling tonight's episode of Impact Delilah's debut, is it fair to assume that was a "debut" in the vein of Zach Wentz, Trey Miguel and Ace Austin where she's simply enhancement talent until a future date, or is she actually with the company? Can anyone clarify this? Damolisher ( talk) 08:04, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
That isn't what I'm asking. I'm asking if anyone can provide one. Thus "can anyone clarify this." Damolisher ( talk) 20:03, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Excellent. Thank you for confirming. Damolisher ( talk) 20:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
He's working the Vegas tapings but I've also heard the odd rumour here or there he's sticking around as a producer. Does anyone have any proof from anyone credible that he's not just there as a tapings only feud for Scarlett? Damolisher ( talk) 21:16, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, the source Static Vapor posted for Ace Austin states Don Callis has been on a hiring spree but also states Disco "was hired for Vegas." Reddit says someone he was a full-timer but I'll wait for something more concrete before he goes in. Damolisher ( talk) 22:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Simply because I am getting beyond annoyed with having to undo people removing Gursinder because for whatever reason Impact moved him to their alumni section, here it is in black and white: Gursinder is still with the company. Gursinder's "firing" was a storyline firing which they haven't explained because I don't think they know exactly what they're doing with the Desi Hit Squad. But Gursinder himself has been promoting himself being at Impact's Canadian tapings in March on Twitter since at least December and is doing a countdown of days as seen here: [1] , here: [2] and here: [3] , in addition to still being used on house shows and teaming up with Raj Singh here: [4]
So please, stop removing Gursinder. He is still with the company until otherwise confirmed by the man himself or the company itself officially. Damolisher ( talk) 08:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
https://amp.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/03/rob-van-dam-reveals-impact-future-651769/
RVD himself says he's sticking around after United We Stand. Now, normally there'd be no better source than the man himself but these days apparently that isn't a sure thing anymore. May I edit him in or shall I wait until Impact themselves officially announce it. Damolisher ( talk) 08:04, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I know some articles used to have sections which listed the tag teams and stables within a promotion. Would we be able to include one in this article or are they not something used in wrestling articles anymore? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 03:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I notice we have a lot of editing disagreements lately over people making assumptions regarding departures. Pentagon, Fenix and James Mitchell have been removed when nothing says they had left nor we leaving to start with.
What I'm trying to say is that as is true with adding talent, please attempt to provide a source in at least the editing reason field when removing talent. Otherwise, it is still unsourced and potentially incorrect information. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 17:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Not the point I'm trying to make, I'm afraid. What I'm saying is that lately people are being removed for no reason other than "rumour has it." To me that constitutes a form of vandalism. That said, I feel that rather than removing edits as far as adding talent is concerned it would be prudent to add sources rather than immediately jumping on an edit too if possible.
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That's not remotely correct at all and I feel you're intentionally being obtuse so as to try and win an argument. Sabu was a one-off ECW tribute, those young women were local performers to make an appearance in the same sense as BCW talent in Canadian tapings, Havok is neither a legend nor local talent, appeared with a talent who has been used numerous times in an ongoing storyline and set up a cliffhanger indicating her appearing again in the future. Using the OVW talent example repeatedly is not the same either, as those wrestlers appeared in dark matches, Havok appeared in a televised segment.
There's a difference between OR, SYNTH et al and actually deducing the difference between a tryout/one shot and a talent returning to the roster. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
And after all that, Havok is at the current tapings with James Mitchell cutting a promo about how she is going to destroy Rosemary, indicating she is staying long-term.
In order to remedy this ongoing problem, would it be more prudent to refrain from adding talent which hasn't been announced prior after they've appeared on television, or is this an issue with people being overzealous? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 00:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
First of all, good work team on sorting out the vandalism.
With Glenn though, Impact HAS used him a lot lately. While I don't agree with unsourced information, I am legitimately curious if there are rules stating that a talent must be signed to a roster in order to be classified as a part of that roster or not. If not, I have a suggestion I'd like to run by the other people who edit this page.
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Is this sufficient enough to add Sabu to the roster, or would it fall under OR or SYNTH at this stage? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, upon re-reading that article, you're absolutely right. I skim read and thought he was asked about the current tapings rather than United We Stand.
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 06:39, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
So Sabu is booked for the next TV tapings...
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20:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Their names are still Dezmond Xavier, Zachary Wentz and Trey Miguel according to official Impact sources so I see some very pushy editing going on. Either way, this constant back and forth isn't helpful at all. And if we must revert them to their nicknames, can changes to the list reflect that Wentz's name is no longer alphabetically last? 05:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkylerLovefist ( talk • contribs)
I agree. As I stated at one point during this dispute with the user in question, the short names are nicknames. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_xsgP4VUAAS9tD.jpg
This seems to indicate the signings of Scott Steiner and seems to confirm Rhino. Reasonable train of thought, or SYNTH?
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
So where do we go from here then? It seems to me that based on Rhino's official return being leaked by the company themselves as well as him being used on future promotional material, he is indeed a permanent part of the company again. If that isn't enough, perhaps we need to look at how new additions to the roster are added, as I think it's fair to say Impact's roster is quite a contentious subject on this Wiki, wouldn't you? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
On the Steiner note, he and Glenn Gilbertti have made pretty regular appearances over the last while for Impact, even if they have been sporadic. Would it make sense to add a legends section to the list? Or is that too ambiguous, as opposed to WWE's legends program which is more formal? 118.149.139.137 ( talk) 05:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I know it's considered one of those things we should use to indicate whether someone has signed with the company, but honestly, the roster page on Impact's website is unreliable IMO given the inaccuracies on there. For example, Kongo Kong is still there despite being released, Suicide is still there despite no-one portraying the character and Bhupinder Singh being moved to the alumni section in spite of still being employed with the company. Daga has no profile despite being signed, Mahabali Shera is still listed as an alumni despite signing a new contract, Eddie Kingston having two profiles, etc. 27.252.201.190 ( talk) 08:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I should also make sure to sign in before I start discussions... SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
So we have Laredo Kid on the roster page for some reason. The two citations there say nothing of him being signed or being an active roster member. One is a link to his roster page, which says he is alumni. The second is a link to a Twitter post that does not say he is signed, he is coming back for more or he is a roster member. He has not appeared in 2 months and without any furthur indication he is with the company (sources or advertisments for future events), then we cannot leave him on. We cannot just sit here and leave possibly incorrect information on the page. Just like when we had Flamita on there for a few months and he never debuted. StaticVapor message me! 17:46, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
LAX is indeed done with Impact Wrestling, and here it is from LAX member Santana, so it's straight from the horse's mouth.
Vjmlhds (talk) 02:35, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
The Wentz and Trey Miguel names currently have linked to non-existent pages (red links). Someone has added to not remove the links. Anyone know the reason for this?
How official do we need the signing of Tony Gunn from OVW to be before we can add him to the roster? Because there's a video of Scott D'Amore offering him a "tryout" with the implication being that it's a formality and that Gunn has already signed a contract.
SkylerLovefist ( talk) 00:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Because I'm getting annoyed with the one versus all editing going on, I'd like an official word from someone relating to the dubious removal/edit war going on over Petey. Because somehow repeatedly appearing for a company for 3 years now means you *aren't* working for the company you signed for now? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 09:19, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
You need to learn how Wikipedia works. This is the situation: we need a genuine source that he is a full-time member of the company. I'm afraid the only information people are able to provide so far is an old ImpactWrestling.com link and the fact that he showed up at recent tapings. As stated at the top of the chart (not my words) "a reliable source is either ImpactWrestling.com, Wrestling Observer.com, Slam Sports, WrestleView, or PWTorch.com." Therefore, citation needed is perfectly reasonable until concrete evidence that he is a contracted full-time member of the roster. Because so far, he just seems to be a glorified guest. We need a reliable source that he is an actual roster member, anything else is speculation, and speculation is not how Wikipedia works. icaldonta ( talk) 12:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Someone doesn't get it and it's not me. You keep removing him and the sources indicating he's working for the company without providing any proof he left to start with.
SkylerLovefist (
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Alright, here we are again with the same user making the same edits with the same.ensuing edit war.
WP:CommonName dictates Trey's surname is Miguel. He's been referred to as Trey Miguel on commentary as such, his mother's name was given as "Ms Miguel" during his feud with Ace Austin, his name is for all intents and purposes Trey Miguel. This constant edit war every 6-12 months is getting annoying. 111.69.70.125 ( talk) 23:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Because I'm at the end of my rope with constant edit wars over Bhupinder Singh, until there's proof he's left Impact, or at least is no longer under a developmental contract, I'd like any edits on him by FranXBC or whatever his name is undone and editor intervention taken. At this point the edits no longer constitute unnsourced edits, they constitute vandalism, given they've been at this since at least December last year. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
User as described above now vandalising article logged out using /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/2.153.191.121. Same deal goes. User been at this since December 2019, seems to not understand what a development contract is, is easily detectable by removing Bhupinder Singh and Shogun Jackson Stone and the broken English he uses in his edit notes. 2407:7000:9C7F:9464:95EA:743F:8B6F:667E ( talk) 10:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Please don't add AEW wrestlers to the roster if they happen to pop up on Impact.
Impact and AEW have an off-screen business partnership and are doing an on-screen "Invasion" style storyline where wrestlers are going on each other's shows and causing trouble.
So knowing all this, don't rush to the keyboard/iPhone to add names to the list if a guest pays a visit.
Thank you.
Vjmlhds (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Alright, this is getting annoying. If you're going to add Taylor Wilde in, include a source. That's the entire point of having the ability to add a source, otherwise anybody could add anyone whether they're there or not. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:43, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
We have no business listing the entire staff/whatever of this outfit. User:Vjmlhds just put a bunch of em back in (not notable people, of course, without a Wikipedia article), saying they are "the ones who sign the checks and make the major comapny decisions". Well, that doesn't make em notable; the person who answers the phone is arguably as important, or more important, than a videographer or an accountant. We should treat this like an encyclopedic article, and list notable people, just as we do for, for instance, radio and TV stations. Entries without secondary sources can easily be argued to be BLP violations also. Drmies ( talk) 00:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
And so who gets to make this call? You simply came in here deleting things without notice. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 05:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, Addicted, why are all of your edits undoing other people's work instead of adding to articles? Edit: I rest my case. That's the second time you've undone that same user's edits improperly citing a Wikipedia Guideline. "I don't know who or what that is and I haven't witnessed it myself, therefore it's an incorrect edit" isn't the standard we edit by. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it if you'd stop undermining other users all the time because quite frankly it comes across as uncivil. Not only have you once again improperly used a WP because I haven't made any personal attacks and certainly haven't done any of the examples in that article, none of your edits actually seem done to add to articles. They're all you undoing other people's edits and as you've done with myself and this other user, rather than accepting it when you're proven wrong, you further nitpick to get the last word. This is where edit wars and violations of the three revert rule begin happening. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 22:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
That's yet another incorrect citation. Legitimate criticism for negative behaviour is neither a personal attack, nor an unfounded accusation. Your edit history indicates a significant majority of, if not all of your edits are you undoing other user's edits, often incorrectly citing WP articles, using your own opinions for invalidating other users along with starting edit wars and being inflexible. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
How about you make an actual account and mind your own business? You want to talk about violating WP: Civil? And as I've explained to Addicted (who I'm not entirely convinced isn't whoever you are) multiple times, Twitter is a Valid source, especially when the source is the guy who runs Fightful. Mind your own business. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:53, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Can people please refrain from trying to get the last word in when people are proving they've made an unhelpful subtraction from this article? If you're proven wrong, gracefully accept it, or don't make the edit to start with, and don't follow it up by nitpicking the correction which was made solely to save face. It doesn't come across as WP: Civil, but more of an ego issue. Thank you. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 17:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, random IP address, but that's not what I'm getting at. Read what I wrote again. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 09:16, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Matt Taven, Mike Bennett, Maria Kanellis, PCO, Vincent have been added/removed a few times from the article. I would presume they aren't on the ImpactWrestling.com roster page because they're being billed as 'outsiders'. They are however appearing weekly for the promotion and have an upcoming PPV match. I would think they should be added. Thoughts? BBX118 22:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
BTW, I recommend to reas WP:consenus. "consensus, which is accepted as the best method to achieve Wikipedia's goals, i.e., the five pillars. Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity (which is ideal but not always achievable), nor is it the result of a vote. Decision making and reaching consensus involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines." 1not the result of a vote 2,my concerns have not been resolved. 3 respecting Wikipedia policies and guidelines, the information stills unsourced-- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 16:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
The whole point of consensus is to have multiple sets of eyeballs look at something and come to a decision on the best way to go forward - 1 man does not hold an article hostage when 3 others have come to an agreement. So why are HHH Pedrigree's concerns more important than those of Vjmlhds, SkylerLovefist or BBX118? You are exhibiting a lot of WP:Own tendencies here - you know "my way or the highway". You expressed your concerns, great. Three other editors felt that it wasn't that big of a deal and we should go ahead and add the others. That's how consensus works. Sometimes you just can't have things go exactly your way...you take the "L" and move on. God knows I've done it my fair share of times around here. You can't preach consensus on some issues and then not want to follow it on others. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
It's beginning to annoy me, actually. I'm growing increasingly annoyed at how for some reason one or two people seem to have reached the understanding with themselves that everyone else's edits must reach their interpretation of WP policies or we're not allowed to add our edits. Logic would dictate that if you have an invading group of six people, you'd sign all of them, not just three members and pick another three at random. I'm not asking for "Well WP: herpandderp says this," I'm asking if that makes sense using Common sense. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 19:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
And therein lies the problem in your wording l. "*I THINK* it falls under Synth/OR." Three other people disagree, and your only counterpoint to "does signing three and not the others make sense" seems to be "I don't know, but here's my interpretation of every WP being cited here." Therefore it stands to reason that the only counterpoint here to a consensus and to common sense is one person's personal interpretation, which in itself goes against Wikipedia's guidelines. As VJ says- it comes across as WP:Own to a point. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 20:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
It feels like you keep trying to counterpoint what we've said with the very things we're arguing against. A consensus has been reached and I kinda feel like Administrator intervention may be our best option here, particularly when it's 3 versus 1. I also note, HHHPedrigree, you keep avoiding addressing my point about common sense. So I again put to you: why would they sign three and not the other three? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 22:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
And again, you're not the one we have to get approval from. So I feel we need to get an official last word because this is going nowhere. None of us are gonna budge. You're insisting you're right in spite of consensus, and we feel our edits are valid due to what we believe to be common sense. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
It isn't OR or SYNTH... That's the problem. This *is* WP: Own, however. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 23:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
And that's why I get frustrated at times editing this particular article. It's where my problems with a certain other user come from too: Why does it feel like whenever we make edits we have to make sure it's OK by one or two other users? This is a community encyclopedia, yet several users seem to have this "I have to say it's OK first and it has to meet my criteria for being a valid edit" attitude? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 01:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm also kinda curious why that Addicted guy has been snitch tagged on his talk page. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 07:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I have come in late to this one and while HHH Pedrigree has a point, there is an out - and that's putting the ROH wrestlers in a separate section. There is no doubt they are working for Impact but obviously they wouldn't be listed so sourcing that would be impossible as Impact would be maintaining the kayfabe line. The best compromise I think is a separate section, which can be combined if they win the match at No Surrender. The signed match can serve as the source. Addicted4517 ( talk) 07:07, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
And there we go. They're staying. Matter resolved once and for all. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
What do we do about Josh? I see JoshProst99 has removed him, but given the current storyline, can we be certain this isn't some massive work? The guy quite his job a few months back because he'd gotten a payrise from Impact. That kind of indicates he signed a new contract. Plus Eddie Edwards is the only one who's said anything on Twitter. *Plus* there was that "I'm gonna miss this place" tweet from when he got "suspended" which mysteriously went missing after gaining traction.
So what should we do? Keep him gone until we have confirmation either way? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Just a reminder that WP:OWN is a thing. Undoing edits because you personally don't know what was edited in falls under that principle. We've had edit wars previously to the real names of two Knockouts and it looks like we're heading in that direction with Matt Cardona's titles. Are we going to undo literally every single edit which doesn't have an article attached to it now? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 21:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I have to say, it's very, very interesting how you seem to show up wherever I edit. It IS a case of WP:OWN, because you constantly expect people to edit to YOUR specifications. Any time an edit happens with information you don't have knowledge of, you undo it. As I stated in my opening statement: do we have to now inline source every single piece of information in the article such as real names, titles owned, roles in the company, the name of the company, the owners of the company, etc? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 02:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I never said anything about WP:Own regarding this article, so don't put words in my mouth. Vjmlhds (talk) 12:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Disagreeing with someone's edit/reasoning does not make one - or their attitude - "deplorable"...someone else once used that word, and it blew up in their face, so don't be so quick to throw people in baskets. Vjmlhds (talk) 12:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I wasn't talking specifically the article. It was blatant what I meant. It's WP:OWN because (as I've quite plainly said at least twice now) both you and him demand we meet your criteria or we have our edits removed. Interesting you showed up on the discussion about NZWPW being closed and his disruptive editing preventing up to date and accurate information, by the way. Almost seems like you're following me around which violates Wikipedia policy too. He can ask for sources all he wants. It isn't his article. As I've asked which also keeps getting ignored: are we supposed to throw out sourcing any time any information at all is entered into the article, because there are a lot of things in there without references. Addicted demanded references for Lady Frost and Masha Slamovich's real names in spite of no-one else having their real names sourced. "Seeing it as gatekeeping" means it's against Wikipedia policy and once again you're showing your own WP:OWN tendencies by telling me my opinion is less valid than yours. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
In fact, I see a own behavior from you you are the one who want to keep including information without source HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:08, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
"No you" isn't an argument and nor is ignoring your own behaviour. Self-appointed infallibility doesn't make you infallible. Nor is pretending you're not following users around which is also a common negative behaviour. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 18:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
HHH is right. No source, no inclusion - it's as simple as that. And saying "there are other unreferenced items, therefore we can add more" is obviously poor logic. — Czello 11:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
No he isn't, and I like how you took a small portion of what I said out of context.
I like how nobody is addressing a bulk of what I'm saying. Almost like there's no actual counter argument and it's a whole lot of ignoring WP:OWN behaviour. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 18:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
So what's the story with Shogun and the two dudes who won the last Gutcheck? Keep 'em off the roster until they officially debut on TV full-time? Shogun is slowly being dripfed into TV appearances with the second IPWF special, a BTE appearance and the Reverse Battle Royal at Slammiversary, whereas the other two guys have signed contracts but aren't on TV yet.
Leave 'em off so we don't have any "k, so what's happening with this guy...?" Situations with Bhupinder? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 22:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
On the subject of the NEVER Openweight Championship being recognised by Impact, we currently require a better source. Presently all that exists is a photograph of Anderson with the title in an Impact ring. This fails both WP:V and WP:OR. Remember, when one looks at this (undated) image, the only thing the image says is "Karl Anderson is wearing the championship". This is not the same as "Impact recognises this title". Note, according to WP:V:
A source "directly supports" a given piece of material if the information is present explicitly in the source so that using this source to support the material is not a violation of Wikipedia:No original research.
Furthermore, WP:OR states:
Any passages open to multiple interpretations should be precisely cited or avoided. A summary of extensive discussion should reflect the conclusions of the source. Drawing conclusions not evident in the reference is original research regardless of the type of source. References must be cited in context and on topic.
The current sourcing does not meet this standard, as there is no explicit statement being made. Instead we are being asked to draw a conclusion from this image - a passing editor would not be able to verify the claim. There is a reason why Wikipedia asks for access dates when adding a citation, for example. A passing editor will see Anderson with the title with zero additional context: this isn't good enough. Again, the key word here is explicit, which I don't think anyone can reasonably argue is demonstrated by this image.
Note, I am not interesting in removing the title at this juncture - I don't watch Impact, so whether they recognise it is actually irrelevant to me. However, there must be a minimum standard for what a source looks like, and presently this isn't good enough - and it's by no means worthy of an encyclopedia.
A potential temporary solution I've considered is replacing the image with a timestamp of when it is acknowledged by commentary (users have indicated that this happens during the show). This is by no means a good method, but it is more verifiable for readers than what exists currently. I would still like to see something explicit, but for the time being it would be an improvement. If any of the users contesting removal of the current source are able to provide a timestamp and the episode number/date of Impact on which it happens, we could use this as a compromise. — Czello 07:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
HHHPedrigree, this conflict started because you and Addicted4517 undid myself and VJ's edits to the page to begin with, and I don't understand why Addicted is not getting reamed given he undid VJ's original edit which set this off to start with.
The compromise would be fine if Slammiversary weren't a PPV and their weekly show weren't hidden behind a subscriber wall. Addicted4517 has pulled the "social media videos don't count' card on other pages so while it's good in theory, it's not so good in practice.
In addition, we have a note at the top of the page saying Impact is in a partnership with New Japan, indicating they recognise NJPW championships.
So in essence, this entire conflict has been started and sustained over someone making an unhelpful edit to start with and someone else co-signing his unhelpful edit, and now the source VJ originally included just to placate the two is now being called "OR" even though the belt, holder and company are included in the photo.
Oh, and notifying me of this chat before reporting me for "edit warring" would have been nice, thanks. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
It can't get much clearer than this - this is Impact Wrestling's press release announcing NJPW returning to AXS TV. And again quoting Scott D'Amore directly - “IMPACT and New Japan have played a key role in that, forging a strong inter-promotional relationship that resulted in some unforgettable moments for wrestling enthusiasts around the world. There is a great deal of support and synergy between the two companies, and we could not be more proud to have them back on AXS TV as they prepare to celebrate an incredible milestone in NJPW history. We are excited to continue to build on our growing relationship with NJPW, and look forward to seeing what new opportunities arise from this partnership in the future.” Can we PLEASE put this to bed now? Vjmlhds (talk) 13:24, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
forging a strong inter-promotional relationshipseems conclusive. I'd probably prefer an independent source if I was nitpicking, but I don't think it matters. Anyone have any objections to this? Would especially like to hear from @ Addicted4517. — Czello 14:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Because once again we're back to frustrating stubbornness, let's discuss commonsense, shall we? NWA talent appears on Impact all the time, AAW is having a title match on Emergence. If that doesn't indicate companies working together, I don't know what does. This is just getting silly at this point. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 18:52, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, because somehow an article which tells us that a title match from a non-Impact promotion is being defended on an Impact show after Eric Young, an Impact wrestler is not a sign of a partnership with Impact. Kinda interesting how myself and VJ always seemingly have to justify ourselves to people who aren't familiar with the product and don't seem to understand commonsense. It's beginning to venture into disruptive editing at this point. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 20:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Again, no source about the partnership. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 21:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Nope. No mention of a partnership. As we said with the njpw, the source must say clearly there is a partnership not making assumptions based. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm not wrong. Sources doesn't mention a partnership, so you can't say there is a partnership. Now, you can start complaining again about wp:own or whatever you want. Despite you block,looks like you learned nothing HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Note: I've started a thread at the WikiProject to determine consensus for these sorts of issues moving forward. The discussion can be found
here. —
Czello
15:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
So, we've got Bandido and Rey Horus appearing at Emergence and then booked for the TV Tapings the next night. Obviously I'd like to wait on whether Rey Horus has signed, but given Bandido mentioned signing with Impact and he's now appearing for Impact, would that count as a confirmation? Or shall we wait to see if they show up at whatever tapings they have afterward? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 00:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Twice now I have removed the note about this consultant Impact apparently have. I haven't removed it because it has been source by Twitter. I have removed it because a consultant is not a part of the company's executive. Now if it is the case that this is an executive position we need more than the Twitter source to prove it. As it stands right now it isn't an executive position and therefore has no place on the list. Addicted4517 ( talk) 06:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
His bio says he works for Impact. Read the source before undoing the edit. That's why it's there. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
While I agree that Twitter works for some thing, as Addicted said he is not an exective, so the section is wrong. Also, his Twitter bio says just "Las Vegas via Philadelphia. Marketing. Music. Hockey. People. Places. Things. Logitix/Vegas Guy -@impactwrestling Former #ECW -@WWE- @Cirque", nothing about he is working as marketing consusltant (unless there is a tweet I missed, but the section is wrong since he is not an executive). -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
He's not a wrestler, an on-air personality or a producer. Thus why VJ moved him into "corporate staff." "@Impactwrestling" is clearly his current place of employment given his bio also says he previously worked in ECW, WWE and Cirque De Solei or however it's spelt.
This constant playing coy just to gatekeep is growing really, really tiresome. It's pretty damn obvious what he's saying in his bio. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 10:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
I think I came up with a way to give everyone a little something. Always better to find a way to make something work than to throw the baby out with the bath water. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
It's pretty apparent AEW and Impact have a partnership at this point, innit? The Machineguns were on Dynamite, Kazarian has spent more time on Impact and Impact specials and PPV than he has on any AEW programming lately... Seems open and shut to me. Especially based on me ol' favourite, WP:COMMONSENSE. Thoughts? SkylerLovefist ( talk) 02:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the section because none of them are notable primarily - along with the erstwhile vexxed issue of using Twitter as a source. We really need to clamp down on this because in it's present form it really violates WP:TRIVIA and is really only information that will be relevant to a limited audience. If you disagree - discuss. Please don't try to start an edit war as before. We should be above that by now. Addicted4517 ( talk) 01:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm with VJ. WP: Twitter is a thing which exists which we've discussed before. Twitter "not being a valid source" only seems to be a recurring problem with one person. Leave the refs alone, and please don't ever pull that again without discussing it if you feel the urge to do so. Referees are just as important to the product as everyone else. Not only is it unhelpful editing, it's incredibly disrespectful to the zebras who also work hard. (which a lot of people don't appreciate. It's a hard job.) SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
And for further reference just in case we don't want to look up WP:Twitter: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities."
Now, maybe it's just me, but if say, Darrick Moore which is where this argument has happened before says "I work for Impact" on Twitter, and he happens to appear on Impact Wrestling's weekly TV Show, I'm *pretty sure* that as a logically thinking person, I'm going to realise that means Darrick Moore does, in fact work for Impact.
As a sidenote, what's with the constant removals? Pitch in and help us add things to the article some time. It's fun. You should try it sometime. You'll like it. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 08:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Agree that referees are notable to be included I the list. Also agree that better sources are needed. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
That, with a side order of WP:Point - taking a flame thrower to a whole section to rehash a settled dispute from 3 months ago just to make a point. I guess some people just want to watch the world (or in this case the article) burn. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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OK, so this one is kind of dumb and also an odd choice which I'll bring up here so everyone knows: Impact is no longer using impactwrestling.com/wrestlers as their roster page. They're using impactwrestling.com/roster. So from now on, please refrain from using the former for sourcing. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 04:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
He's not a regular weekly and he's not on the roster page, BUT he does show up every so often to further Rosemary's storylines, brought in the Hex a couple of months ago, was referenced by Crazzy Steve last night, will be showing up on future episodes and is basically a recurring character. SkylerLovefist ( talk) 20:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Addicted4517 ( talk) 01:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
List of Impact Wrestling personnel → List of TNA Wrestling personnel – New name for the company, and the promotion's website has already made the change itself Vjmlhds (talk) 19:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 ( talk) 17:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
It appears that the roster page of the new TNA website doesn't have individual profiles which mucks up the sourcing somewhat. I know that I have criticised the use of Twitter as a source in the past, but in these circumstances (and the rules do allow for it) the official Twitter account will have to do. It would of course be better to use independent reliable sources and if one can find one use that instead. Hopefully the roster page does get filled out with individual profiles eventually. Addicted4517 ( talk) 00:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Does TNA have a partnership with WWE? The TNA Knockouts Champion (Jordynne Grace) is challenging WWE's NXT Women's Champion ( Roxanne Perez) at this year's NXT Battleground for the NXT Women's Championship (If Grace were to win would she appear on both WWE's and TNA's List of Personnel?) - 2A02:C7C:53C1:E00:30FE:582:98CE:E08B ( talk) 12:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
This is not correct. Sports Illustrated notified of the arrangement and made no mention of it being a one off at all. Claiming it is one is original research and requires back up. Until we have that back up the information should stay. There is a good chance TNA wrestlers could show up in the battle royal on NXT coming up. Hopefully that fixes this up. The IP is also right about removing sources. Addicted4517 ( talk) 03:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)