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By god you guys really are clutching at straws now! It's all very well for that pulp tabloid we call The Mercury to glorify into sainthood some people who've done very little, but surely on Wikipedia we can keep it up to a certain standard, can't we? i.e. Just because Tassie is a small state and we care about fairly common achievements, it doesn't mean the rest of the world cares that much. For instance, you wouldn't expect a page, "People of Bruny Island" to produce many in it, would you? But you certainly wouldn't expect them to elevate the level of those who do live on Bruny to make up the numbers. Essie Davis--good luck to her, probably a lovely girl and her family must be very proud--but she's little more than a bit-player in a couple of recent films, and not as prominent as ANY of the people on any other "People of BLANK" pages. Simon Ditcham delivered the newspaper from his parents' shop in Kingston to my house last week. I also once had a similar job--should I be on the list too? Freya Stafford--imagine how long the List of notable Melburnians would be if they included everyone from these TV shows? Can we be more careful in future? wait and see if it turns out someone is noteworthy.
PLEASE if you are going to go off on a rave like this (from an address that has been warned already) at least identify yourself to clarify most of your thoughts about the issues, and be prepared to have civil discussions rather than anonymous posts like this. If you have issues with the way wiki is created, join in. er... We at wiki?
User:SatuSuro
08:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Ha, don't be too hasty talking about warnings on addresses since that IP is a public computer (and it wasn't me who was warned). It was I, tilgrieog, who wrote it, but honestly I don't think adding that info would change the ability for us to discuss it (as I said everything necessary), so I don't really think it matters in every post. "Off on a rave"? I'm offended by that since everything I said was representative of my opinion in a civil debate over why this article looks a little amateur. "er... We at wiki?" I don't know what you mean by that. If you want more clarification, I'm saying that most of the people on the list shouldn't be there! They're simply not that prominent, and almost every one of these LIST pages is more like a blog than an actual article, incomplete and with no common standards.
Not wishing to disrespect their memories, but how true is it to include these guys on a list of people that Tasmania has produced? Both were born in Europe. I don't know how old Dombrovskis was when he arrived in Tassy, but Truchanas was 25, well past his formative years. It may be true to say that Tasmania nurtured them, even held them to her bosom. But "produced" them? Maybe it's just a matter of slightly redefining the list rather than removing anybody from it. Similarly, we might say that Russell Crowe is recognised as an Australian actor (except when he throws phones in hotel lobbies), but could we say that he is an actor that Australia has "produced"? Cheers JackofOz 04:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Demographically and economically Tasmania exports more people than stay, and when you think of the current silverspoons and silvertails buying up land and places who are from the mainland _and_ who will invariably return (to the mainland, like the 70's generation who returned), the transient nature of existence for a large percentage of people who have had Tasmania as home for a year or decade, or whatever is - I would hazard a guess a larger number than those born and stayed forever (mind you in the pubs in queenstown in the mid 70's we had guys born and died in queeny who used to brag that they hadnt been beyond gormanston in their life) Another way of looking at it - there are probably more tasmanians in victoria than there are in tasmania (apropos the greeks in melbourne). This is a very long way of saying if someone has had residence and passion for the landscape such as dombrovskis and truchanas they deserve to remain. User:SatuSuro 13:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed Paul Hudson and added Royce Hart to list of notable Tassie Aussie Rules footballers. Paul Hudson, althuogh the son of Peter, wasn't born in Tasmania and has little to do with it. Also I would not think his career is significant enough to mention. The ommision of Royce Hart is dumbfounding, probably Tasmania's greatest ever footballer. He is one of the AFL/VFL greatest ever Centre Half Forwards. Paul Williams is also a notable Tasmanian born Australian Rules player. 250+ games, All Australian selection and a premiership medal. I will try to add more great Tasmanian footballers as I think of them.
Jabso 09:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I am reinstating these two, and have left a message on jgritz's talk page about this. They are notable writers. User:SatuSuro 03:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC) aka vcxlor
if the face of the issues that tasmanians "get it" - either ignored, left out or whatever from mainlanders. User:SatuSuro 04:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
keep the faith! User:SatuSuro 06:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Where are the politicions? Also isn't Sols, the authour of the Snake cartoon series a Tasmanian? What about Tasmanian war heros? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.149.35 ( talk • contribs) 12:48, 22 April 2006
thanks Chuq, another one pops into my head , Mark "Chopper" Reed
This is an interesting list - http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,21084203-921,00.html
Of course, The Mercury is known for over-hyping non-notable locals (they still have the occasional article on what Reggie is doing) but this list could prove a good source of people who should have articles.
It appears that many obvious names are missing - from what I can see there are only living people on the list ( Jim Bacon and Alec Campbell are notably absent) -- Chuq 08:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The Mercury list is a fine example of sensationalist gutter trash journalism and should only be considered a very loose guideline at best. Meow meow - purr purr ( talk) 13:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
About 20 might even be recognised by an average mainlander with an interest in Tasmania - if thats anything to go by - and of that at least 10 of them are blowins - retirees or mainlanders who have shifted down. But then Canberra is in a little world all by itself - and we are so as well in Perth - so I am not making claims for anywhere being any better at such a list - at least the Canberra times looks better design wise than the mercury or the west australian :| Satu Suro 14:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
This list is for established articles - it is not a wish list - if you were involved with putting a red link in - please either write the article - or leave the link out until an article is written - thanks Satu Suro 09:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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By god you guys really are clutching at straws now! It's all very well for that pulp tabloid we call The Mercury to glorify into sainthood some people who've done very little, but surely on Wikipedia we can keep it up to a certain standard, can't we? i.e. Just because Tassie is a small state and we care about fairly common achievements, it doesn't mean the rest of the world cares that much. For instance, you wouldn't expect a page, "People of Bruny Island" to produce many in it, would you? But you certainly wouldn't expect them to elevate the level of those who do live on Bruny to make up the numbers. Essie Davis--good luck to her, probably a lovely girl and her family must be very proud--but she's little more than a bit-player in a couple of recent films, and not as prominent as ANY of the people on any other "People of BLANK" pages. Simon Ditcham delivered the newspaper from his parents' shop in Kingston to my house last week. I also once had a similar job--should I be on the list too? Freya Stafford--imagine how long the List of notable Melburnians would be if they included everyone from these TV shows? Can we be more careful in future? wait and see if it turns out someone is noteworthy.
PLEASE if you are going to go off on a rave like this (from an address that has been warned already) at least identify yourself to clarify most of your thoughts about the issues, and be prepared to have civil discussions rather than anonymous posts like this. If you have issues with the way wiki is created, join in. er... We at wiki?
User:SatuSuro
08:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Ha, don't be too hasty talking about warnings on addresses since that IP is a public computer (and it wasn't me who was warned). It was I, tilgrieog, who wrote it, but honestly I don't think adding that info would change the ability for us to discuss it (as I said everything necessary), so I don't really think it matters in every post. "Off on a rave"? I'm offended by that since everything I said was representative of my opinion in a civil debate over why this article looks a little amateur. "er... We at wiki?" I don't know what you mean by that. If you want more clarification, I'm saying that most of the people on the list shouldn't be there! They're simply not that prominent, and almost every one of these LIST pages is more like a blog than an actual article, incomplete and with no common standards.
Not wishing to disrespect their memories, but how true is it to include these guys on a list of people that Tasmania has produced? Both were born in Europe. I don't know how old Dombrovskis was when he arrived in Tassy, but Truchanas was 25, well past his formative years. It may be true to say that Tasmania nurtured them, even held them to her bosom. But "produced" them? Maybe it's just a matter of slightly redefining the list rather than removing anybody from it. Similarly, we might say that Russell Crowe is recognised as an Australian actor (except when he throws phones in hotel lobbies), but could we say that he is an actor that Australia has "produced"? Cheers JackofOz 04:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Demographically and economically Tasmania exports more people than stay, and when you think of the current silverspoons and silvertails buying up land and places who are from the mainland _and_ who will invariably return (to the mainland, like the 70's generation who returned), the transient nature of existence for a large percentage of people who have had Tasmania as home for a year or decade, or whatever is - I would hazard a guess a larger number than those born and stayed forever (mind you in the pubs in queenstown in the mid 70's we had guys born and died in queeny who used to brag that they hadnt been beyond gormanston in their life) Another way of looking at it - there are probably more tasmanians in victoria than there are in tasmania (apropos the greeks in melbourne). This is a very long way of saying if someone has had residence and passion for the landscape such as dombrovskis and truchanas they deserve to remain. User:SatuSuro 13:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed Paul Hudson and added Royce Hart to list of notable Tassie Aussie Rules footballers. Paul Hudson, althuogh the son of Peter, wasn't born in Tasmania and has little to do with it. Also I would not think his career is significant enough to mention. The ommision of Royce Hart is dumbfounding, probably Tasmania's greatest ever footballer. He is one of the AFL/VFL greatest ever Centre Half Forwards. Paul Williams is also a notable Tasmanian born Australian Rules player. 250+ games, All Australian selection and a premiership medal. I will try to add more great Tasmanian footballers as I think of them.
Jabso 09:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I am reinstating these two, and have left a message on jgritz's talk page about this. They are notable writers. User:SatuSuro 03:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC) aka vcxlor
if the face of the issues that tasmanians "get it" - either ignored, left out or whatever from mainlanders. User:SatuSuro 04:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
keep the faith! User:SatuSuro 06:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Where are the politicions? Also isn't Sols, the authour of the Snake cartoon series a Tasmanian? What about Tasmanian war heros? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.149.35 ( talk • contribs) 12:48, 22 April 2006
thanks Chuq, another one pops into my head , Mark "Chopper" Reed
This is an interesting list - http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,21084203-921,00.html
Of course, The Mercury is known for over-hyping non-notable locals (they still have the occasional article on what Reggie is doing) but this list could prove a good source of people who should have articles.
It appears that many obvious names are missing - from what I can see there are only living people on the list ( Jim Bacon and Alec Campbell are notably absent) -- Chuq 08:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The Mercury list is a fine example of sensationalist gutter trash journalism and should only be considered a very loose guideline at best. Meow meow - purr purr ( talk) 13:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
About 20 might even be recognised by an average mainlander with an interest in Tasmania - if thats anything to go by - and of that at least 10 of them are blowins - retirees or mainlanders who have shifted down. But then Canberra is in a little world all by itself - and we are so as well in Perth - so I am not making claims for anywhere being any better at such a list - at least the Canberra times looks better design wise than the mercury or the west australian :| Satu Suro 14:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
This list is for established articles - it is not a wish list - if you were involved with putting a red link in - please either write the article - or leave the link out until an article is written - thanks Satu Suro 09:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)