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No offense to efghij but see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names). There will be suburbs in Sydney that exist not only in New South Wales. For example, Auburn is also a place in South Australia. Alex.tan 02:25, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Question: How was this list determined? How far does "greater Sydney" extend? Does it extend, e.g. as far as Katoomba or Gosford? What about Wiseman's Ferry (which is not on the list, but which is part of Baulkham Hills Shire?)
One possible solution is to define "greater Sydney" as the "County of Cumberland", but the County of Cumberland is something that just about no one who lives there has ever heard of (unless they like to look up Government surveying records...)
Also, what constitutes a suburb? Is it a postcode? In which case, both the University of Sydney, and Macquarie University, and I assume (but don't know) several other universities, are all suburbs, since they all have separate postcodes... -- Anon.
I think that this article should be moved to "Sydney Metropolitan Area", and information would be added to the article to make it relevant.. e.g... list all subdivisions before the city (just like how U.S. cities are in counties)
I also think that the suburbs should be listed by population, if possible. WhisperToMe 05:58, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
(moved from user talk:clarkk 05:02, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC))
Hi Clarkk, I changed the Regions of Sydney template slightly, to better differentiate between cities and other types of LGA. See my changes to the Sydney page. Do you think I shoud just place the Regions template in the article in place of the long list that I've put there? -- Randwicked 10:30, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Nothing to do with any of the above, and I didn't want to come in and suddenly change anything -- but why is Elanora Heights listed as Elanora on this page? It redirects, but I always thought it was E. Heights. Maybe it is listed that way in some source? Xenobea ( talk) 20:00, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Because wrong here is official source. Crusoe8181 ( talk) 04:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Somebody removed Broadway saying "not a suburb." Is ther still a PO and postcode for Broadway?
Broadway is a locality, it has postcode 2007. Ref: 1998 Gregory's Sydney Street Directory; Suburn and Localities list --darkov
I would like to bring up the pages on the Local Government Areas in Sydney. Of the 38 LGAs, there are 34 that share their name with a suburb. The exceptions are Botany Bay, Ku-ring-gai, Pittwater and Warringah. I would like to suggest that for the remaining 34, that there be a page about the LGA and a page for the suburb itself.
At the moment, there is Baulkham Hills Shire and Baulkham Hills, New South Wales; Hornsby Shire, New South Wales and Hornsby, New South Wales; Municipality of Strathfield and Strathfield, New South Wales; Sutherland Shire and Sutherland, New South Wales; City of Sydney and Sydney central business district. I have also, in the last couple of days, separated "Botany Bay" into Botany Bay (the bay itself), Botany, New South Wales (the suburb) and City of Botany Bay (the LGA).
So out of the 34, only 5 have separate pages. This means there are 29 pages which combine information about the LGA and the suburb itself.
Melbourne have separate pages about their LGAs but only a handful share the name.
I think its important to clearly state the difference between the two.
Please add any thoughts or comments -- Ianblair23 01:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
As can be seen by the list above, I have just finished creating pages for the LGAs. Two points - "Hornsby Shire, New South Wales" was changed to " Hornsby Shire" and "City of Canterbury" is at " City of Canterbury, New South Wales" due to the City of Canterbury in Kent, England.
Both the {{ Sydney regions}} template and the Local Government Areas of New South Wales page has been updated with the correct links. -- Ianblair23 14:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I would argue that LGAs would take priority over Suburbs. In my case of Campbelltown, people more easily identify the name "Campbelltown" with the wider city than with the suburb itself, and I'd suggest that would be the case with most LGAs. I think it would make more sense to have "Campbelltown" (to use my example) as the LGA article and "Suburb of Campbelltown to refer to the small suburb in the middle of the LGA. Braue 15:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Folks, I've made some updates to many Sydney suburb articles. Here's what has been done:
In the process of doing this though, there were some questions I had that I cannot answer. I'm asking for your assistance in solving these, because when B-H plus these last these few things are done then we should have at least a stub, with map links, for every suburb in Sydney. This would be a great position to be in, as those stubs will provide the basis onto which people with local knowledge will be able to build, and will have an entry in the Wikipedia for every single Sydney suburb.
These are the questions and problems that remain to be solved or done:
I could not find longitude and latitude information for the suburbs below. Firstly, can we please check that they really are suburbs (and if they aren't, can we please remove them from the List of Sydney suburbs). And if they are suburbs, can someone please find longitude and latitude info, and add this to the pages using the Template:Mapit-AUS-suburbscale (see most Sydney suburbs - e.g. Arcadia, New South Wales - for an example of how to use this).
Other questions:
Should these be removed from the list of suburbs of Sydney?
Removed as already pointed to an existing suburb:
Added, but want to double-check:
Other things found whilst going through the articles:
Badly needs to be cleaned up and made less POV:
Admin action required:
Could not suburb see at the map co-ords I found, so no additions have been made - please check co-ords (and update if necessary) and then add their appropriate suburbs:
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 08:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree that it would be good to have a definition of what counts as a suburb i) to go on this page; ii) to be called a suburb on it's page (not necessarily the same thing). I wouldn't have called Wolli Creek a suburb, having lived near there for quite some time, but apparently the Geoscience Australia list calls it a locality and Australia Post call it a delivery area, so maybe that's enough to put it on the list. Should it really be called a suburb, though? (and as an aside, was it even a locality name before the station was built??) JPD 16:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you both for the great feedback and info! Some notes below:
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 01:33, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I have compiled a list of the differences between the current list, and a list using my proposed definition at User:JPD/suburb. This might make it easier for anyone to comment on the definition. JPD 18:56, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I like your list, and I like your definition. How about the following as a suggestion:
Thoughts / comments / ideas / suggestions ? -- All the best, Nickj (t) 02:17, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
That all sounds fine to me. I've done my best to put the above into practice, because I think we're basically in agreement:
Please don't hesitate to update/edit any of the above if I've missed anything or if you think there's a better way to do it. Also having redirects from locality names to suburb articles sounds fine to me, assuming that the suburb article includes most of what would have gone in the locality article if they had been separate. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 02:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Tennyson Point, New South Wales and Tennyson Point. Same name, yet one is near Glossodia, and the other is near Gladesville. Is there a better way to name these, so as to differentiate them? - All the best, Nickj (t) 08:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Tennyson, (on the Hawkesbury) has the official name Tennyson, but is outside the boundaries described earlier (NW of the Hawkesbury). According to the GNB, Tennyson Point, near Gladesville has the "Point" added to differentiate the two, but Tennyson is also listed as a variant name. JPD 17:55, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
When I was compiling my list earlier, I didn't notice that the Strathfield West neighbourhood desgination by the GNB was withdrawn in 1992. I haven't found the name on any maps, so unless it is in a modern edition of a street directory, I would suggest removing it. JPD 11:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
According to the GNB Register (as referenced in this article), Snapper Island is in the LGA of Leichhardt [1]. But the planning brief from the Sydney Harbour Federation Trust for the same island explicitly states Snapper Island is unincorporated. This means that it does not fall within any particular Local Government Area. [2]. Makes me wonder how accurate the register is. -- chris_j_wood 10:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
The GNB lists 'Bankstown Airport' as an aerodrome with previous name 'Bankstown Aerodrome'. It also lists 'Bankstown Aerodrome' as the current name (assigned 1994) for the suburb surrounding the airport. I agree that this doesn't match common usage, but it is what it says. JPD 09:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
If the suburb were bigger than the airport, I'd make another article, but it looks like it's at most the airport and a park. Maybe the article should mention that the suburb name is officially Aerodrome. The only question remaining is which name to use in the list, which is difficult, since most maps use "airport" as the name of the suburb as well as the airport. JPD 10:55, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 09:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Yay, there are currently no more redlinks on the list of Sydney suburbs!
I'm thinking now we should clean up the Local Government Areas of Sydney. Doing this will find any missing suburbs or useful localities, and also allow us to strip out the bad data from the LGAs. Some of the lists of suburbs may have come from the department of local government, and unfortunately they are often a little bit too generous with their definitions of what counts as a suburb.
I've had a look through the LGAs and the suburb templates (for those LGAs that have them), and made a list of those that have redlinks left. The ultimate aim being that all either LGAs should have no redlinks or that their redlinks should also be listed on the list of Sydney suburbs.
The following have a few redlinks:
These LGAs have lots of redlinks:
Can I please ask people to have a look at the LGAs they know or care about to help clean them up? Basically we should be able to get all the above LGAs updated to:
Things to check also are:
If after the above you do think a suburb or locality that is redlined should be kept and added, can you please add it to the list of Sydney suburbs, as this makes it easy to see what still needs to be done.
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 07:55, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
I've noticed some templates are suburbs and localities whereas others are only suburbs. I think they should be suburbs only as localities hardly get articles. What you think?? Dankru 13:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Two redlinks currently (may be recent additions? Gregory Hills and Lower Hawkesbury. Xenobea ( talk) 21:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Howdy all, An extensive table of Sydney suburbs (and their different possible names) has been added at List of Sydney suburbs/table. The quick primer on using it is this: Ideally everything in columns 1, 2, 5, and 6 should be blue; and everything in columns 3 and 4 should either be red, or if it is blue it should be checked to make sure that it is either a redirect page, or a disambig page that includes a link to the Sydney suburb of the same name, or includes a "see also" link to the Sydney suburb of that name. Currently only the two rightmost columns remain to be done (everything should be blue in these); All the other columns I think should be done now. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 05:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
One thing giving me the shits on Council pages in Sydney is that many of the "suburbs" are not suburbs at all! I had to change the City of Ryde list and move all the non-suburbs onto a list of localities. Even then, I would debate a few of them even exisiting as I grew up in Ryde/Hunters Hill area and have never heard of many of the localities referred to.
For example, Monash Park, New South Wales. This is a post office with PO Boxes and a cricket oval. THAT'S IT. No one calls it Monash Park and if they do, they're merely referring to the cricket/soccer ground.
I am sure this is the case for many other Council pages. I have fixed up Municipality of Hunter's Hill and City of Ryde but I know many others need work. Dankru 14:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, this is a confusing one, and hopefully I haven't added to the confusion. There seems to be a proliferation of pages about Town Hall, including two building stubs for the building, so I'm trying to clean it up a bit. I removed it from the List of Sydney suburbs and Suburbs of Sydney nicknames on the basis that it isn't a suburb, and isn't shown as such in my street directory (Sydway) - or in the list Nickj mentioned above as it turns out (although I didn't find this page until afterwards). If consensus is deleting the references to it as a suburb was a bad idea, feel free to replace them, I'm not going to get into an edit war over it - but I am going to try and keep working on the conflicting Sydney Town Hall building pages. -- Paddles 15:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
You blokes have done a great job with these suburbs. I've been adding my photos to them lately, as well as expanding the text here and there. If there are any shots you could especially use, you could let me know and I'll see if I've got anything. Never know your luck.
Sardaka 10:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I see there has been a great deal of debate about whether certain places are suburbs or not, eg Town Hall. you could probably settle most of these debates by getting in touch with the local council, in whatever area it is.
Another resource that might come in handy is the Department of Local Government, Parliament House, Sydney.
Sardaka 10:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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No offense to efghij but see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names). There will be suburbs in Sydney that exist not only in New South Wales. For example, Auburn is also a place in South Australia. Alex.tan 02:25, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Question: How was this list determined? How far does "greater Sydney" extend? Does it extend, e.g. as far as Katoomba or Gosford? What about Wiseman's Ferry (which is not on the list, but which is part of Baulkham Hills Shire?)
One possible solution is to define "greater Sydney" as the "County of Cumberland", but the County of Cumberland is something that just about no one who lives there has ever heard of (unless they like to look up Government surveying records...)
Also, what constitutes a suburb? Is it a postcode? In which case, both the University of Sydney, and Macquarie University, and I assume (but don't know) several other universities, are all suburbs, since they all have separate postcodes... -- Anon.
I think that this article should be moved to "Sydney Metropolitan Area", and information would be added to the article to make it relevant.. e.g... list all subdivisions before the city (just like how U.S. cities are in counties)
I also think that the suburbs should be listed by population, if possible. WhisperToMe 05:58, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
(moved from user talk:clarkk 05:02, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC))
Hi Clarkk, I changed the Regions of Sydney template slightly, to better differentiate between cities and other types of LGA. See my changes to the Sydney page. Do you think I shoud just place the Regions template in the article in place of the long list that I've put there? -- Randwicked 10:30, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Nothing to do with any of the above, and I didn't want to come in and suddenly change anything -- but why is Elanora Heights listed as Elanora on this page? It redirects, but I always thought it was E. Heights. Maybe it is listed that way in some source? Xenobea ( talk) 20:00, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Because wrong here is official source. Crusoe8181 ( talk) 04:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Somebody removed Broadway saying "not a suburb." Is ther still a PO and postcode for Broadway?
Broadway is a locality, it has postcode 2007. Ref: 1998 Gregory's Sydney Street Directory; Suburn and Localities list --darkov
I would like to bring up the pages on the Local Government Areas in Sydney. Of the 38 LGAs, there are 34 that share their name with a suburb. The exceptions are Botany Bay, Ku-ring-gai, Pittwater and Warringah. I would like to suggest that for the remaining 34, that there be a page about the LGA and a page for the suburb itself.
At the moment, there is Baulkham Hills Shire and Baulkham Hills, New South Wales; Hornsby Shire, New South Wales and Hornsby, New South Wales; Municipality of Strathfield and Strathfield, New South Wales; Sutherland Shire and Sutherland, New South Wales; City of Sydney and Sydney central business district. I have also, in the last couple of days, separated "Botany Bay" into Botany Bay (the bay itself), Botany, New South Wales (the suburb) and City of Botany Bay (the LGA).
So out of the 34, only 5 have separate pages. This means there are 29 pages which combine information about the LGA and the suburb itself.
Melbourne have separate pages about their LGAs but only a handful share the name.
I think its important to clearly state the difference between the two.
Please add any thoughts or comments -- Ianblair23 01:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
As can be seen by the list above, I have just finished creating pages for the LGAs. Two points - "Hornsby Shire, New South Wales" was changed to " Hornsby Shire" and "City of Canterbury" is at " City of Canterbury, New South Wales" due to the City of Canterbury in Kent, England.
Both the {{ Sydney regions}} template and the Local Government Areas of New South Wales page has been updated with the correct links. -- Ianblair23 14:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I would argue that LGAs would take priority over Suburbs. In my case of Campbelltown, people more easily identify the name "Campbelltown" with the wider city than with the suburb itself, and I'd suggest that would be the case with most LGAs. I think it would make more sense to have "Campbelltown" (to use my example) as the LGA article and "Suburb of Campbelltown to refer to the small suburb in the middle of the LGA. Braue 15:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Folks, I've made some updates to many Sydney suburb articles. Here's what has been done:
In the process of doing this though, there were some questions I had that I cannot answer. I'm asking for your assistance in solving these, because when B-H plus these last these few things are done then we should have at least a stub, with map links, for every suburb in Sydney. This would be a great position to be in, as those stubs will provide the basis onto which people with local knowledge will be able to build, and will have an entry in the Wikipedia for every single Sydney suburb.
These are the questions and problems that remain to be solved or done:
I could not find longitude and latitude information for the suburbs below. Firstly, can we please check that they really are suburbs (and if they aren't, can we please remove them from the List of Sydney suburbs). And if they are suburbs, can someone please find longitude and latitude info, and add this to the pages using the Template:Mapit-AUS-suburbscale (see most Sydney suburbs - e.g. Arcadia, New South Wales - for an example of how to use this).
Other questions:
Should these be removed from the list of suburbs of Sydney?
Removed as already pointed to an existing suburb:
Added, but want to double-check:
Other things found whilst going through the articles:
Badly needs to be cleaned up and made less POV:
Admin action required:
Could not suburb see at the map co-ords I found, so no additions have been made - please check co-ords (and update if necessary) and then add their appropriate suburbs:
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 08:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree that it would be good to have a definition of what counts as a suburb i) to go on this page; ii) to be called a suburb on it's page (not necessarily the same thing). I wouldn't have called Wolli Creek a suburb, having lived near there for quite some time, but apparently the Geoscience Australia list calls it a locality and Australia Post call it a delivery area, so maybe that's enough to put it on the list. Should it really be called a suburb, though? (and as an aside, was it even a locality name before the station was built??) JPD 16:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you both for the great feedback and info! Some notes below:
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 01:33, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I have compiled a list of the differences between the current list, and a list using my proposed definition at User:JPD/suburb. This might make it easier for anyone to comment on the definition. JPD 18:56, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I like your list, and I like your definition. How about the following as a suggestion:
Thoughts / comments / ideas / suggestions ? -- All the best, Nickj (t) 02:17, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
That all sounds fine to me. I've done my best to put the above into practice, because I think we're basically in agreement:
Please don't hesitate to update/edit any of the above if I've missed anything or if you think there's a better way to do it. Also having redirects from locality names to suburb articles sounds fine to me, assuming that the suburb article includes most of what would have gone in the locality article if they had been separate. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 02:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Tennyson Point, New South Wales and Tennyson Point. Same name, yet one is near Glossodia, and the other is near Gladesville. Is there a better way to name these, so as to differentiate them? - All the best, Nickj (t) 08:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Tennyson, (on the Hawkesbury) has the official name Tennyson, but is outside the boundaries described earlier (NW of the Hawkesbury). According to the GNB, Tennyson Point, near Gladesville has the "Point" added to differentiate the two, but Tennyson is also listed as a variant name. JPD 17:55, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
When I was compiling my list earlier, I didn't notice that the Strathfield West neighbourhood desgination by the GNB was withdrawn in 1992. I haven't found the name on any maps, so unless it is in a modern edition of a street directory, I would suggest removing it. JPD 11:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
According to the GNB Register (as referenced in this article), Snapper Island is in the LGA of Leichhardt [1]. But the planning brief from the Sydney Harbour Federation Trust for the same island explicitly states Snapper Island is unincorporated. This means that it does not fall within any particular Local Government Area. [2]. Makes me wonder how accurate the register is. -- chris_j_wood 10:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
The GNB lists 'Bankstown Airport' as an aerodrome with previous name 'Bankstown Aerodrome'. It also lists 'Bankstown Aerodrome' as the current name (assigned 1994) for the suburb surrounding the airport. I agree that this doesn't match common usage, but it is what it says. JPD 09:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
If the suburb were bigger than the airport, I'd make another article, but it looks like it's at most the airport and a park. Maybe the article should mention that the suburb name is officially Aerodrome. The only question remaining is which name to use in the list, which is difficult, since most maps use "airport" as the name of the suburb as well as the airport. JPD 10:55, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 09:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Yay, there are currently no more redlinks on the list of Sydney suburbs!
I'm thinking now we should clean up the Local Government Areas of Sydney. Doing this will find any missing suburbs or useful localities, and also allow us to strip out the bad data from the LGAs. Some of the lists of suburbs may have come from the department of local government, and unfortunately they are often a little bit too generous with their definitions of what counts as a suburb.
I've had a look through the LGAs and the suburb templates (for those LGAs that have them), and made a list of those that have redlinks left. The ultimate aim being that all either LGAs should have no redlinks or that their redlinks should also be listed on the list of Sydney suburbs.
The following have a few redlinks:
These LGAs have lots of redlinks:
Can I please ask people to have a look at the LGAs they know or care about to help clean them up? Basically we should be able to get all the above LGAs updated to:
Things to check also are:
If after the above you do think a suburb or locality that is redlined should be kept and added, can you please add it to the list of Sydney suburbs, as this makes it easy to see what still needs to be done.
-- All the best, Nickj (t) 07:55, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
I've noticed some templates are suburbs and localities whereas others are only suburbs. I think they should be suburbs only as localities hardly get articles. What you think?? Dankru 13:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Two redlinks currently (may be recent additions? Gregory Hills and Lower Hawkesbury. Xenobea ( talk) 21:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Howdy all, An extensive table of Sydney suburbs (and their different possible names) has been added at List of Sydney suburbs/table. The quick primer on using it is this: Ideally everything in columns 1, 2, 5, and 6 should be blue; and everything in columns 3 and 4 should either be red, or if it is blue it should be checked to make sure that it is either a redirect page, or a disambig page that includes a link to the Sydney suburb of the same name, or includes a "see also" link to the Sydney suburb of that name. Currently only the two rightmost columns remain to be done (everything should be blue in these); All the other columns I think should be done now. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 05:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
One thing giving me the shits on Council pages in Sydney is that many of the "suburbs" are not suburbs at all! I had to change the City of Ryde list and move all the non-suburbs onto a list of localities. Even then, I would debate a few of them even exisiting as I grew up in Ryde/Hunters Hill area and have never heard of many of the localities referred to.
For example, Monash Park, New South Wales. This is a post office with PO Boxes and a cricket oval. THAT'S IT. No one calls it Monash Park and if they do, they're merely referring to the cricket/soccer ground.
I am sure this is the case for many other Council pages. I have fixed up Municipality of Hunter's Hill and City of Ryde but I know many others need work. Dankru 14:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, this is a confusing one, and hopefully I haven't added to the confusion. There seems to be a proliferation of pages about Town Hall, including two building stubs for the building, so I'm trying to clean it up a bit. I removed it from the List of Sydney suburbs and Suburbs of Sydney nicknames on the basis that it isn't a suburb, and isn't shown as such in my street directory (Sydway) - or in the list Nickj mentioned above as it turns out (although I didn't find this page until afterwards). If consensus is deleting the references to it as a suburb was a bad idea, feel free to replace them, I'm not going to get into an edit war over it - but I am going to try and keep working on the conflicting Sydney Town Hall building pages. -- Paddles 15:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
You blokes have done a great job with these suburbs. I've been adding my photos to them lately, as well as expanding the text here and there. If there are any shots you could especially use, you could let me know and I'll see if I've got anything. Never know your luck.
Sardaka 10:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I see there has been a great deal of debate about whether certain places are suburbs or not, eg Town Hall. you could probably settle most of these debates by getting in touch with the local council, in whatever area it is.
Another resource that might come in handy is the Department of Local Government, Parliament House, Sydney.
Sardaka 10:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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