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I disagree with putting election results for the Speakers' elections in the Ordinal Congress artticles, e.g., 113th United States Congress, as has recently been done (e.g., here at 113th Congress). Even extraordinary votes are rarely-if-ever included in these articles. Instead I suggest merely including a link such as: {{See also|List of Speaker of the United States House of Representatives elections}}. — GoldRingChip 12:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: I see I'd messed up the Election box templates. You reverted it anyway because you'd intentionally avoided using them. That's fine, but why not use them? — GoldRingChip 01:41, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: Do you have any further thoughts about using the Election box templates? — GoldRingChip 19:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) | Voice | U C |
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) * | 324 | 76.78 | |
Republican | Bertrand Snell ( New York) | 83 | 19.67 | |
Progressive | George J. Schneider ( Wisconsin) | 10 | 2.37 | |
Republican | Fred L. Crawford ( Michigan) | 2 | 0.47 | |
— | Present | 3 | 0.71 | |
Total votes | 421
|
100
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Votes necessary | 211
|
>50
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Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) | Voice | U C |
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) ( Inc.) | 324 | 76.78 | |
Republican | Bertrand Snell ( New York) | 83 | 19.67 | |
Progressive | George J. Schneider ( Wisconsin) | 10 | 2.37 | |
Republican | Fred L. Crawford ( Michigan) | 2 | 0.47 | |
— | Present | 3 | 0.71 | |
Total votes | 421 | 100 | ||
Votes necessary | 211 | >50 |
Is there any value in using "85th through 90th congresses" and other such partitions? — GoldRingChip 21:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
The 47th United States Congress was nearly evenly split between Republicans and smaller parties. That is, the GOP had just less than 50% at the beginning of the first session, but maybe enough with others supporting it. I'm trying to locate the election results for that speaker race. Where might that be, please? — GoldRingChip 19:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
The partitions take them out of chronological order. I suggest putting them back in that order. — GoldRingChip 19:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Exactly why was this deleteed? They said it was "speculation," but how? Pelosi and McCarthy have been unanimously been reelected to their positions, and the House has a Democratic majority. The two party leaders have ALWAYS been run for Speaker, going back to the 19th century. So to say that the two will NOT run for Speaker in a week and a half is what is rank speculation Arglebargle79 ( talk) 19:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
I saw the note saying we only include the first and last ballots - is there a particular reason? I was going to swap out the existing table for this one:
Date | January 3 | January 4 | January 5 | January 6 | |||||||||
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Ballot | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | 11th | 12th | 13th |
Kevin McCarthy | 203 | 202 | 201 | 200 | 213 | 214 | |||||||
Hakeem Jeffries | 212 | 211 | 212 | ||||||||||
Jim Jordan | 6 | 19 | 20 | 4 | 6 | ||||||||
Byron Donalds | 1 | 20 | 19 | 17 | 13 | 12 | |||||||
Andy Biggs | 10 | ||||||||||||
Kevin Hern | 2 | 3 | 7 | 3 | |||||||||
Donald Trump | 1 | 1 | |||||||||||
Jim Banks | 1 | ||||||||||||
Lee Zeldin | 1 | ||||||||||||
Total | 434 | 433 | 432 | 431 | 432 | ||||||||
Present | 1 | ||||||||||||
Not voting | 1 [a] | 3 [a] [b] [c] | 2 [a] [b] | ||||||||||
Majority | 218 | 217 | 216 | 217 |
This table is a nicely condensed way of showing all the ballots, and assuming we stay under 20 or so (as looks likely), should continue to work. Thoughts? —Ganesha811 ( talk) 01:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
1825 Mr. Campbell was really more a Jacksonian than an Adams' representative. Gevan ( talk) 22:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: Just because every multiple ballot Speaker election does not feature the inclusion of candidates receiving votes on intermediate ballots in the text and with a footnote (rather than expanding the election outcome template to include each ballot) does not mean that they should be excluded from coverage in the text of any one multiple ballot election in particular. I was planning on expanding all of the multiple ballot Speaker elections to feature all candidates that received votes on intermediate ballots in the text and with a footnote, as well as looking up all candidates listed as "Others" and expanding the election outcome template to at least include them (as I had done for the 1861 Speaker election), since it is unclear to me why candidates that received votes in an election should be entirely excluded from coverage in the article and in an unobtrusive style (as well as to try to resolve our other dispute). -- CommonKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 17:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Anyone know why the 1971 election didn't happen until January 21st? The section starts with "An election for speaker took place on January 21, 1971, on the opening day of the 92nd Congress," but I'm pretty sure that's just cut and paste boilerplate -- the Congress's first session constitutionally would've happened on January 3rd. The date is correct -- see for instance this document from the Congressional Research Service, which also doesn't explain the why. Jfruh ( talk) 18:06, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Reywas92: I read, "The Democratic Caucus held their vote on November 30, 2016. After a motion to postpone the election until December 8 was defeated 68–129, the caucus voted for Pelosi 15–43." That confuses me: If the Democratic Caucus voted 68-129 to defeat a motion to postpone the election with a total of 197 votes cast, how could that same caucus then cast only a total of 58 votes to elect Pelosi, with less than 30% of the total votes cast for speaker than were cast for the motion to postpone just a few moments earlier? Let me guess: Should that have been, "the caucus voted for Pelosi 154-43"? I found the number 43 in the reference cited but not 154 in the reference cited. I've made that change. If that's not correct, please fix. Thanks, DavidMCEddy ( talk) 22:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Reywas92: I reverted some of the details you added to the 2011 election section, details beyond the limited content scope of this article. Drdpw ( talk) 22:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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I disagree with putting election results for the Speakers' elections in the Ordinal Congress artticles, e.g., 113th United States Congress, as has recently been done (e.g., here at 113th Congress). Even extraordinary votes are rarely-if-ever included in these articles. Instead I suggest merely including a link such as: {{See also|List of Speaker of the United States House of Representatives elections}}. — GoldRingChip 12:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: I see I'd messed up the Election box templates. You reverted it anyway because you'd intentionally avoided using them. That's fine, but why not use them? — GoldRingChip 01:41, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: Do you have any further thoughts about using the Election box templates? — GoldRingChip 19:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) | Voice | U C |
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) * | 324 | 76.78 | |
Republican | Bertrand Snell ( New York) | 83 | 19.67 | |
Progressive | George J. Schneider ( Wisconsin) | 10 | 2.37 | |
Republican | Fred L. Crawford ( Michigan) | 2 | 0.47 | |
— | Present | 3 | 0.71 | |
Total votes | 421
|
100
| ||
Votes necessary | 211
|
>50
|
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) | Voice | U C |
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Democratic | William B. Bankhead ( Alabama) ( Inc.) | 324 | 76.78 | |
Republican | Bertrand Snell ( New York) | 83 | 19.67 | |
Progressive | George J. Schneider ( Wisconsin) | 10 | 2.37 | |
Republican | Fred L. Crawford ( Michigan) | 2 | 0.47 | |
— | Present | 3 | 0.71 | |
Total votes | 421 | 100 | ||
Votes necessary | 211 | >50 |
Is there any value in using "85th through 90th congresses" and other such partitions? — GoldRingChip 21:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
The 47th United States Congress was nearly evenly split between Republicans and smaller parties. That is, the GOP had just less than 50% at the beginning of the first session, but maybe enough with others supporting it. I'm trying to locate the election results for that speaker race. Where might that be, please? — GoldRingChip 19:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
The partitions take them out of chronological order. I suggest putting them back in that order. — GoldRingChip 19:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Exactly why was this deleteed? They said it was "speculation," but how? Pelosi and McCarthy have been unanimously been reelected to their positions, and the House has a Democratic majority. The two party leaders have ALWAYS been run for Speaker, going back to the 19th century. So to say that the two will NOT run for Speaker in a week and a half is what is rank speculation Arglebargle79 ( talk) 19:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
I saw the note saying we only include the first and last ballots - is there a particular reason? I was going to swap out the existing table for this one:
Date | January 3 | January 4 | January 5 | January 6 | |||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Ballot | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | 11th | 12th | 13th |
Kevin McCarthy | 203 | 202 | 201 | 200 | 213 | 214 | |||||||
Hakeem Jeffries | 212 | 211 | 212 | ||||||||||
Jim Jordan | 6 | 19 | 20 | 4 | 6 | ||||||||
Byron Donalds | 1 | 20 | 19 | 17 | 13 | 12 | |||||||
Andy Biggs | 10 | ||||||||||||
Kevin Hern | 2 | 3 | 7 | 3 | |||||||||
Donald Trump | 1 | 1 | |||||||||||
Jim Banks | 1 | ||||||||||||
Lee Zeldin | 1 | ||||||||||||
Total | 434 | 433 | 432 | 431 | 432 | ||||||||
Present | 1 | ||||||||||||
Not voting | 1 [a] | 3 [a] [b] [c] | 2 [a] [b] | ||||||||||
Majority | 218 | 217 | 216 | 217 |
This table is a nicely condensed way of showing all the ballots, and assuming we stay under 20 or so (as looks likely), should continue to work. Thoughts? —Ganesha811 ( talk) 01:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
1825 Mr. Campbell was really more a Jacksonian than an Adams' representative. Gevan ( talk) 22:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: Just because every multiple ballot Speaker election does not feature the inclusion of candidates receiving votes on intermediate ballots in the text and with a footnote (rather than expanding the election outcome template to include each ballot) does not mean that they should be excluded from coverage in the text of any one multiple ballot election in particular. I was planning on expanding all of the multiple ballot Speaker elections to feature all candidates that received votes on intermediate ballots in the text and with a footnote, as well as looking up all candidates listed as "Others" and expanding the election outcome template to at least include them (as I had done for the 1861 Speaker election), since it is unclear to me why candidates that received votes in an election should be entirely excluded from coverage in the article and in an unobtrusive style (as well as to try to resolve our other dispute). -- CommonKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 17:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Anyone know why the 1971 election didn't happen until January 21st? The section starts with "An election for speaker took place on January 21, 1971, on the opening day of the 92nd Congress," but I'm pretty sure that's just cut and paste boilerplate -- the Congress's first session constitutionally would've happened on January 3rd. The date is correct -- see for instance this document from the Congressional Research Service, which also doesn't explain the why. Jfruh ( talk) 18:06, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Reywas92: I read, "The Democratic Caucus held their vote on November 30, 2016. After a motion to postpone the election until December 8 was defeated 68–129, the caucus voted for Pelosi 15–43." That confuses me: If the Democratic Caucus voted 68-129 to defeat a motion to postpone the election with a total of 197 votes cast, how could that same caucus then cast only a total of 58 votes to elect Pelosi, with less than 30% of the total votes cast for speaker than were cast for the motion to postpone just a few moments earlier? Let me guess: Should that have been, "the caucus voted for Pelosi 154-43"? I found the number 43 in the reference cited but not 154 in the reference cited. I've made that change. If that's not correct, please fix. Thanks, DavidMCEddy ( talk) 22:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Reywas92: I reverted some of the details you added to the 2011 election section, details beyond the limited content scope of this article. Drdpw ( talk) 22:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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