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This article, while occasionally informative, includes so many inaccuracies, poor grammar, and awkward language that it sometimes seems like I am reading a different language. Some examples follow:
Inaccuracy In the Arthur Martin section, the following text: "when she learned he was not attracted to her, she went off and married George Sibley". Ruth did not end her relationship with Arthur because he was not attracted to her. She ended it because his expressions of love were so odd that she could not relate to him. Futhermore, the quote seems to indicate that Ruth immediately ran away to marry George Sibley because of her failed relationship with Arthur; this is also not true.
Poor grammar Every section of this article contains run-on sentences. "In the 1970s, the Chenowiths had become a topic of discussion after allegedly allowing their daughter Brenda to undergo testing by the controversial Gareth Feinberg, PhD who later wrote Charlotte: Light and Dark, Brenda resents her parents for those reasons."
Awkward language "Willa Chenowith was born on the final episode of Six Feet Under prematurely much to the fears of parents Brenda and the deceased spirit of Nate."
Furthermore, it's well known that Six Feet Under is a remarkably subtle show with a great deal of character nuance and depth; as such, there is much information being presented in this article which could be considered opinion or interpretation. An author could present the necessary information for this article by including much less information. While there is a fine line between fact and interpretation on Six Feet Under, there is a very clearly defined line between interpretation and the information necessary to complete a Wikipedia article.
I would recommend that the article be recreated.
Is it really necessary to include the birth and death dates in the section headings?! Not only is this a slap in the face of anyone who hasn't seen the very end of the very last episode but wanted to briefly glance over the top of the page without suffering any minor spoilers (expecting that at the very least the table of contents would be safe to look over for a moment), but it also just doesn't make any sense to me: the sections are about the characters, not about the characters+the significance of the years they were born and died in. I think these dates should be listed just below.
Other changes I recommend:
So, yeah. Just thought I'd mention a few of the things that immediately struck me when I looked at the page, before I started any in-depth editing. Best to keep the lines of communication open. - Silence 04:23, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
===Nate Fisher=== Nathaniel Samuel "Nate" Fisher, Jr. (1965–2005), played by Peter Krause
etc.
I think that the current way the characters are listed has some problems. There's no obvious system to it, so it's difficult to find characters quickly. I think we should choose one of the following organized systems and stick to it:
I think that the fourth option would probably work best, because family plays such a large role in the series and almost all of the important characters have family members show up at various points. The major families throughout the series are: the Fisher family, the Chenowith family, the Charles family, the Diaz family, the Kimmel family, and the Sibley family. Characters who don't fit into one of those categories can go in an additional section at the end, "Other recurring characters" (which I'll list in order of number of appearances below, though we can use some other system, like order of earliest appearance or something, if you prefer).
Obviously, the only real problem with a system like this is that some which characters belong in which families may be disputed. Because so many characters marry into, are adopted into, and are born into the Fisher family throughout the series, and these raise questions about which of the two families the character will be listed under, for the purposes of the list all characters who are not Fishers at the beginning of the series will be listed under the other family they belong to. So Brenda is listed as a Chenowith, Keith as a Charles, Lisa as a Kimmel, and Ted as an "other recurring character". Likewise, Maya is listed as a Kimmel (before you protest: remember that we are never made 100% sure that Nate is Maya's biological father), Willa as a Chenowith, and Durrell and Anthony as Charles (or possibly under "other recurring characters", if you think we should stick to definite blood-relations for all the families, not just for the Fishers). Such a listing would look something like this (using the names the official website uses for each character; their full names can be mentioned at the start of their bio, in the same style an article would use):
Thoughts? - Silence 02:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
This is what I would suggest:
At the start of every section for a main character (like George or Brenda or Keith) we have a short family tree or timeline. For instance, at the start of Lisa's section, quickly list all her relatives. -- JamesB3 06:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Now that I've gotten thinking about how everyone's related, I've spent the last few hours drawing up an ascii family tree of the Fishers and all the families they marry into. It contains all the information available, as provided by the series and by the HBO Six Feet Under site, with the exception that less important branches of the Charles family tree we know of was left off because it would go over the edge of the page, and I left a few people off (like some of Hoyt and Barb's children I think). Feel free to add to or correct this tree.
Oh, and don't worry about how large it is. I assume that if we use something like this for the main page, it will be divided up from family to family—i.e. one for the Chenowiths only, one for the Fishers only, one for the Sibleys only, one for the Charleses only, one for the Kimmels only, and an extra one for the Diaz family, who I didn't include here because they're the only significant family that's in no way connected to the Fishers. I only started off with a huge, involved one like this to prove to myself that it was possible; it took quite a few tries to get everyone fitted on here without crossing any lines or whatnot. :)
Key:
Smiths O'Connors Fishers _______________|_____________ | | | | | | | | | | ___|__ | Abigail Smith Loretta Sibley + ? Marie Altman | | | | | Sarah O'Connor | | | | unmarried lover + George Sibley + Ruth Fisher + Nathaniel Fisher Sr. / \ | / \ |________ / 6 wives + . | | / | | Claire Fisher + Ted Fairwell / __________|__________ | / | | | Kyle Maggie Sibley Brian Sibley | Joseph Green + Anna Green | ____|____ | | | Bernard Chenowith + Margeret Chenowith | Dorothy + ? Jeanette Bradford | | | __________| | Roderick Charles + Lucille Charles | | _________________________________| | Billy Chenowith | | | _____________| | | | | | Brenda Chenowith | Raoul Martinez + David Fisher + Keith Charles Karla Charles + ? \ | | | \ | (adopted) | Daniel Nathanson + . + Nate Fisher Jr. _______|______ ? Benoit + Taylor Charles | | \ | | Forrest Nathanson Willa Chenowith | ? + Durrell Anthony + ? / \ / / (who is parent of whom is unknown) Peg Kimmel + Ed Kimmel | | __________|__________ | ___________|___________ | | | | | | | | | Matthew Keith Jr. Katie | Hoyt Woodworth | | | \ | | | \ | | Barb Woodworth + . + Lisa Fisher + . | \ | | \ | | \ | Michaela Woodworth \ | \ | (biological father is probably Nate, but uncertain) | Maya Fisher
So, how's it look? - Silence 20:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Somes sources for the info on this page would be goood. Having just watched (and rewatched) the last episode and specifically the end of the last episode, I'm a bit confused as to how some details are known. For example, how are Brenda's degrees known and her adding several courses to the USC curriculum? How is Claire's later career known, especially the years she got tenure etc? How was David's later life in community theatre known? Etc etc... I guess the names for the sons and grandchildren of Claire, David (well from the adoptions) etc were known from the credits/character list (I didn't bother to look)? 203.118.178.220 18:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I think we have a large amount of information (which is wonderful, by the way) for the starring characters to have their own individual characters (Nate, David, Claire, Brenda, Ruth, Rico, George and Keith). The remainder can stay on this page (see my work on List of characters from The Sopranos. If anyone has objections or questions let me demonstrate first and if anyone has any ideas come forward. Sfufan2005 03:30, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be at List of Six Feet Under characters? If no one objects, I'll move the page in a few days. -- Conti| ✉ 16:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedia policies require the inclusion of real-world information to establish notability (see WP:N and WP:FICT and WP:WAF). As a result., the individual articles need to reflect real-world notability (e.g. the character is a demonstrable cultural meme or icon, a la Sherlock Holmes or Hamlet or Mickey Mouse, or else has attracted significant out-of-universe commentary and critical reaction. Please note that notability is not inherited: as a result, incidental "real-world" information (e.g. character portrayed by Actor X) does not currently satisfy our notability criteria. To comment on this question, interested editors should respond to the discussion at WP:FICT or raise the issue at WP:N since, per Wikipedia consensus policy, local opinion never outweighs community-wide opinion and these standards have been asserted at a global level. Additionally, any emendation to the character articles that serve to bring them up to notability standards would be salutary. Eusebeus ( talk) 15:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I always wondered about the finale. Are we supposed to take it as the definitive version of what happens to the characters after the series ends? Or is it just one possible future for the characters? If I were editing the page, I might qualify some of the statements about the character's fates long after the series ends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.78.174 ( talk) 22:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
They were fact according to show creator, Alan Ball. Also, if the deaths were all Claire's imagination, why would she imagine Keith being gunned down in a robbery? Claire could be cynical, but I don't think she was that completely fatalistic. -- Fisher_and_Diaz — Preceding
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So, currently the article says:
Throughout the story, Claire faces numerous issues, including drug use (season 1), unwanted pregnancy (season 3), anorgasmia and lesbianism (season 4).
I think the wording of this is a little problematic as it equates lesbianism with drug use, I understand that they are all issues but the wording strikes me as somewhat pejorative. I don't have a quick suggestion to fix it, I wasn't a huge fan of the series, but I think expanding the description of these incidents and treating them each independently would avoid conflating them together in a potentially insulting way.
Sorry if anyone finds this nitpicky or overly PC, it just read a little insensitively to me so I wanted to bring it up in case others feel the same way and want to try to address the wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.48.172 ( talk) 04:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
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This article, while occasionally informative, includes so many inaccuracies, poor grammar, and awkward language that it sometimes seems like I am reading a different language. Some examples follow:
Inaccuracy In the Arthur Martin section, the following text: "when she learned he was not attracted to her, she went off and married George Sibley". Ruth did not end her relationship with Arthur because he was not attracted to her. She ended it because his expressions of love were so odd that she could not relate to him. Futhermore, the quote seems to indicate that Ruth immediately ran away to marry George Sibley because of her failed relationship with Arthur; this is also not true.
Poor grammar Every section of this article contains run-on sentences. "In the 1970s, the Chenowiths had become a topic of discussion after allegedly allowing their daughter Brenda to undergo testing by the controversial Gareth Feinberg, PhD who later wrote Charlotte: Light and Dark, Brenda resents her parents for those reasons."
Awkward language "Willa Chenowith was born on the final episode of Six Feet Under prematurely much to the fears of parents Brenda and the deceased spirit of Nate."
Furthermore, it's well known that Six Feet Under is a remarkably subtle show with a great deal of character nuance and depth; as such, there is much information being presented in this article which could be considered opinion or interpretation. An author could present the necessary information for this article by including much less information. While there is a fine line between fact and interpretation on Six Feet Under, there is a very clearly defined line between interpretation and the information necessary to complete a Wikipedia article.
I would recommend that the article be recreated.
Is it really necessary to include the birth and death dates in the section headings?! Not only is this a slap in the face of anyone who hasn't seen the very end of the very last episode but wanted to briefly glance over the top of the page without suffering any minor spoilers (expecting that at the very least the table of contents would be safe to look over for a moment), but it also just doesn't make any sense to me: the sections are about the characters, not about the characters+the significance of the years they were born and died in. I think these dates should be listed just below.
Other changes I recommend:
So, yeah. Just thought I'd mention a few of the things that immediately struck me when I looked at the page, before I started any in-depth editing. Best to keep the lines of communication open. - Silence 04:23, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
===Nate Fisher=== Nathaniel Samuel "Nate" Fisher, Jr. (1965–2005), played by Peter Krause
etc.
I think that the current way the characters are listed has some problems. There's no obvious system to it, so it's difficult to find characters quickly. I think we should choose one of the following organized systems and stick to it:
I think that the fourth option would probably work best, because family plays such a large role in the series and almost all of the important characters have family members show up at various points. The major families throughout the series are: the Fisher family, the Chenowith family, the Charles family, the Diaz family, the Kimmel family, and the Sibley family. Characters who don't fit into one of those categories can go in an additional section at the end, "Other recurring characters" (which I'll list in order of number of appearances below, though we can use some other system, like order of earliest appearance or something, if you prefer).
Obviously, the only real problem with a system like this is that some which characters belong in which families may be disputed. Because so many characters marry into, are adopted into, and are born into the Fisher family throughout the series, and these raise questions about which of the two families the character will be listed under, for the purposes of the list all characters who are not Fishers at the beginning of the series will be listed under the other family they belong to. So Brenda is listed as a Chenowith, Keith as a Charles, Lisa as a Kimmel, and Ted as an "other recurring character". Likewise, Maya is listed as a Kimmel (before you protest: remember that we are never made 100% sure that Nate is Maya's biological father), Willa as a Chenowith, and Durrell and Anthony as Charles (or possibly under "other recurring characters", if you think we should stick to definite blood-relations for all the families, not just for the Fishers). Such a listing would look something like this (using the names the official website uses for each character; their full names can be mentioned at the start of their bio, in the same style an article would use):
Thoughts? - Silence 02:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
This is what I would suggest:
At the start of every section for a main character (like George or Brenda or Keith) we have a short family tree or timeline. For instance, at the start of Lisa's section, quickly list all her relatives. -- JamesB3 06:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Now that I've gotten thinking about how everyone's related, I've spent the last few hours drawing up an ascii family tree of the Fishers and all the families they marry into. It contains all the information available, as provided by the series and by the HBO Six Feet Under site, with the exception that less important branches of the Charles family tree we know of was left off because it would go over the edge of the page, and I left a few people off (like some of Hoyt and Barb's children I think). Feel free to add to or correct this tree.
Oh, and don't worry about how large it is. I assume that if we use something like this for the main page, it will be divided up from family to family—i.e. one for the Chenowiths only, one for the Fishers only, one for the Sibleys only, one for the Charleses only, one for the Kimmels only, and an extra one for the Diaz family, who I didn't include here because they're the only significant family that's in no way connected to the Fishers. I only started off with a huge, involved one like this to prove to myself that it was possible; it took quite a few tries to get everyone fitted on here without crossing any lines or whatnot. :)
Key:
Smiths O'Connors Fishers _______________|_____________ | | | | | | | | | | ___|__ | Abigail Smith Loretta Sibley + ? Marie Altman | | | | | Sarah O'Connor | | | | unmarried lover + George Sibley + Ruth Fisher + Nathaniel Fisher Sr. / \ | / \ |________ / 6 wives + . | | / | | Claire Fisher + Ted Fairwell / __________|__________ | / | | | Kyle Maggie Sibley Brian Sibley | Joseph Green + Anna Green | ____|____ | | | Bernard Chenowith + Margeret Chenowith | Dorothy + ? Jeanette Bradford | | | __________| | Roderick Charles + Lucille Charles | | _________________________________| | Billy Chenowith | | | _____________| | | | | | Brenda Chenowith | Raoul Martinez + David Fisher + Keith Charles Karla Charles + ? \ | | | \ | (adopted) | Daniel Nathanson + . + Nate Fisher Jr. _______|______ ? Benoit + Taylor Charles | | \ | | Forrest Nathanson Willa Chenowith | ? + Durrell Anthony + ? / \ / / (who is parent of whom is unknown) Peg Kimmel + Ed Kimmel | | __________|__________ | ___________|___________ | | | | | | | | | Matthew Keith Jr. Katie | Hoyt Woodworth | | | \ | | | \ | | Barb Woodworth + . + Lisa Fisher + . | \ | | \ | | \ | Michaela Woodworth \ | \ | (biological father is probably Nate, but uncertain) | Maya Fisher
So, how's it look? - Silence 20:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Somes sources for the info on this page would be goood. Having just watched (and rewatched) the last episode and specifically the end of the last episode, I'm a bit confused as to how some details are known. For example, how are Brenda's degrees known and her adding several courses to the USC curriculum? How is Claire's later career known, especially the years she got tenure etc? How was David's later life in community theatre known? Etc etc... I guess the names for the sons and grandchildren of Claire, David (well from the adoptions) etc were known from the credits/character list (I didn't bother to look)? 203.118.178.220 18:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I think we have a large amount of information (which is wonderful, by the way) for the starring characters to have their own individual characters (Nate, David, Claire, Brenda, Ruth, Rico, George and Keith). The remainder can stay on this page (see my work on List of characters from The Sopranos. If anyone has objections or questions let me demonstrate first and if anyone has any ideas come forward. Sfufan2005 03:30, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be at List of Six Feet Under characters? If no one objects, I'll move the page in a few days. -- Conti| ✉ 16:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedia policies require the inclusion of real-world information to establish notability (see WP:N and WP:FICT and WP:WAF). As a result., the individual articles need to reflect real-world notability (e.g. the character is a demonstrable cultural meme or icon, a la Sherlock Holmes or Hamlet or Mickey Mouse, or else has attracted significant out-of-universe commentary and critical reaction. Please note that notability is not inherited: as a result, incidental "real-world" information (e.g. character portrayed by Actor X) does not currently satisfy our notability criteria. To comment on this question, interested editors should respond to the discussion at WP:FICT or raise the issue at WP:N since, per Wikipedia consensus policy, local opinion never outweighs community-wide opinion and these standards have been asserted at a global level. Additionally, any emendation to the character articles that serve to bring them up to notability standards would be salutary. Eusebeus ( talk) 15:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I always wondered about the finale. Are we supposed to take it as the definitive version of what happens to the characters after the series ends? Or is it just one possible future for the characters? If I were editing the page, I might qualify some of the statements about the character's fates long after the series ends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.78.174 ( talk) 22:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
They were fact according to show creator, Alan Ball. Also, if the deaths were all Claire's imagination, why would she imagine Keith being gunned down in a robbery? Claire could be cynical, but I don't think she was that completely fatalistic. -- Fisher_and_Diaz — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
66.66.20.95 (
talk)
13:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
So, currently the article says:
Throughout the story, Claire faces numerous issues, including drug use (season 1), unwanted pregnancy (season 3), anorgasmia and lesbianism (season 4).
I think the wording of this is a little problematic as it equates lesbianism with drug use, I understand that they are all issues but the wording strikes me as somewhat pejorative. I don't have a quick suggestion to fix it, I wasn't a huge fan of the series, but I think expanding the description of these incidents and treating them each independently would avoid conflating them together in a potentially insulting way.
Sorry if anyone finds this nitpicky or overly PC, it just read a little insensitively to me so I wanted to bring it up in case others feel the same way and want to try to address the wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.48.172 ( talk) 04:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)